In Which Panel are the Ground and Neutral to be Bonded?

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  • Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2023
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Комментарии • 73

  • @kenbrown2808
    @kenbrown2808 7 месяцев назад +8

    I like the expression, "the first point of disconnect" it's very clear.

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад +3

      "First service disconnecting means" is more specific. But you're correct. I've also heard "bond the first panel of disconnect".

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 7 месяцев назад

      @@SparkyChannel every electrician should understand "service disconnect" but "first point of disconnect" should even be clear to a green apprentice.

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      It is very clear, I agree. @@kenbrown2808

  • @JGS-cv1jn
    @JGS-cv1jn 17 дней назад

    Excellent and simple explanation. Best I have ever heard!

  • @user-um5lx8wl9y
    @user-um5lx8wl9y Месяц назад

    Thank you for such a good explanation of where to bond Neutral and ground. I have been searching for a clear explanation and you provided it! New Subscriber!

  • @deadmanswife3625
    @deadmanswife3625 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you Sparky

  • @timdyer7692
    @timdyer7692 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks, Bill! As always a very good explanation.

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks Tim! Did you get it right at the start of the video?

  • @Eddy63
    @Eddy63 7 месяцев назад

    Good info Bill and a nice shot of you riding off into the sunset Thx as always for posting

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      It was some recreation after the hard work. LOL! There is a beautiful river walk in Tampa. Thanks Eddy!

  • @vince6829
    @vince6829 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

  • @zerosparky9510
    @zerosparky9510 7 месяцев назад +1

    thanks for posting.

  • @entertainment7307_5
    @entertainment7307_5 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks Sparky

  • @garydudgeon
    @garydudgeon 7 месяцев назад

    Good explanation Sparky.

  • @jorgehuizarsr8519
    @jorgehuizarsr8519 7 месяцев назад

    Barry nice videos
    Thanks from fountain valley cal ✌️👍

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Cheers from San Diego!👍

  • @user-ku5fy4up7o
    @user-ku5fy4up7o 4 месяца назад

    Hello Sir, you are awesome, very easily explained!

  • @smeado3533
    @smeado3533 7 месяцев назад

    Cool. I got it right.

  • @John-zz5gt
    @John-zz5gt 7 месяцев назад

    Perfectly sir

  • @CJCon885
    @CJCon885 7 месяцев назад

    I like the part you said to remove the ground screw from the load side to prevent someone from torquing it down by mistake.

  • @johancontreras6312
    @johancontreras6312 7 месяцев назад +2

    In the case of line side Solar connection. Would you bond both the Solar fuse disconnect and house first disconnect?

  • @Guardducks
    @Guardducks 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hey sparky good video. Have you heard anything back from the NEC on your letter you wrote to them on receptacles on islands?

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад +3

      Yes I have. They wrote back and said to write them at some other time. LOL!

    • @Guardducks
      @Guardducks 7 месяцев назад +2

      That's sad

  • @tiggeroush
    @tiggeroush 3 месяца назад

    Duke Energy requires it behind the meter or they will not connect power.

  • @1982757
    @1982757 3 месяца назад

    Does this N-G bonding depend on the type of earthing system? Like TN-S, TN-C-S etc.

  • @Weasel_NM575
    @Weasel_NM575 7 месяцев назад

    Here in New Mexico we are required to run bare copper #6 from the panel up into the meter can and also bond to ground bushings with one solid piece of wire

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад +1

      Excellent!

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 7 месяцев назад +1

      do you use metallic conduit between the meter and the service gear? where I am, it is common to use PVC, if you're not using cable. but we had one inspector insist we use plastic bushings on the chamfered cable fittings.

    • @Weasel_NM575
      @Weasel_NM575 7 месяцев назад

      @@kenbrown2808 yes we use rigid even for the riser off the meter can we only use 2” rigid no pvc

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 7 месяцев назад +1

      @Weasel_NM575 the service mast is the only place we use rigid. Aand then it goes into a hub or a field cut hole, so it is bonded.

    • @Weasel_NM575
      @Weasel_NM575 7 месяцев назад

      @@kenbrown2808 yeah I’ve seen for example on the competition video’s they usually run pvc then again a states and inspectors are all different

  • @michaeljavert4635
    @michaeljavert4635 7 месяцев назад

    When I redo my electrical box I am isolating all conductors and grounds. I will connect the loads to the incoming wires from the pole to the panel, and I will have the three wires coming in which are two hots and one neutral. I will use the cold water pipe to ground the panel and connect all my grounds to the grounding terminals with a separate terminal for the neutral wires, assuming I don't have one of those newfangled boxes that have breakers that hold both neutral and hot. Even in that case, I will have the ground bus bar and panel grounded to cold water pipe, all isolated from the neutral incoming line.

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      Do you have ground rods?

    • @michaeljavert4635
      @michaeljavert4635 7 месяцев назад

      @@SparkyChannel No, Right now I ground from cold water pipe. It's 6 feet deep copper and has good ground. If I have the panel redone, I will probably get rods installed. When I have things done, I like it ALL done the proper way and with all the "extras" that come with it.

  • @anthonyelectric6045
    @anthonyelectric6045 7 месяцев назад

    Hey Bill was this a demonstration? Have to ask and I apologize if I missed something, why was the fused disconnect installed when the breaker panel has a main disconnect in it ? Thanks Bill 👍

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 7 месяцев назад +1

      yes, it was a demonstration. there are some applications that require fuses as short circuit protection, where you will have fast acting fuses backing up breakers, and some applications where there will be fuses with a higher interrupting capacity backing up a breaker panel with a lower interrupting capacity. and, of course, if the breaker panel is in a remote location, there will need to be a disconnecting means with overcurrent protection, adjacent to the meter.

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      Excellent answer Ken! That is a 3 phase meter socket, "UG/OH" (underground or overhead) for 240V, so the designer of the contest felt that the heavy duty safety switch was realistic for the contest. Many of these apprentices work in a commercial setting. @@kenbrown2808

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 7 месяцев назад

      @@SparkyChannel interestingly, that meter socket would mot be approved in my area. power companies require a test block bypass on any commercial installation, and the one I work with most, requires the service lugs to be in line with the service conduit for an underground installation.

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      Interesting, thanks! @@kenbrown2808

  • @billbean7549
    @billbean7549 7 месяцев назад

    hi, what wound change if the meter box had a disconnect that I've seen in other videos?

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 7 месяцев назад

      correct. then the disconnect in the meter box would be the service disconnect.

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      Excellent question! I have a video with just that scenario: How to Bond Neutral and Ground With 2023 NEC Code Book and Handbook: ruclips.net/video/8nXEyMN3jHw/видео.html

    • @billbean7549
      @billbean7549 7 месяцев назад

      Thanks that's what I thought.@@kenbrown2808

  • @billstarr9396
    @billstarr9396 7 месяцев назад

    Hi Sparky Bill.
    I will be installing an electric vehicle charger in a garage of a dwelling. The branch circuit will be 1 phase, 240 volt, 50 amps, NO neutral.
    As it will be in a garage it must be on a GFCI 2 pole, 50 Amp breaker.
    As the circuit does not have a neutral what should be done with the neutral pigtail coming off of the GFCI breaker, should this pigtail still be landed on the neutral bus?

    • @MaxPowerElectric
      @MaxPowerElectric 7 месяцев назад

      Doesn't 210.8 only require GFCI protection for 120V 15A/20A circuits? I know this section has been updated (I only have the 2017 NEC at the moment) but as far as I'm aware, a 240V 50A circuit wouldn't be required to be on a GFCI, even in a garage. Someone correct me if my info is outdated...
      If you do opt to put a GFCI breaker for added safety, I would guess that the neutral pigtail on the breaker would just land on the neutral bus like you said. Even though the circuit itself doesn't have a neutral, the internal GFCI electronics likely require 120V for the test function to work properly.

    • @elpajaropelu9527
      @elpajaropelu9527 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@MaxPowerElectric 210.8(A) has been revised and now states "All 125-volt through 250_volt receptacles. @billstarr9396 If the charger is a 48 amp charger, the circuit needs to have the 125% added to it and brings the circuit up to 60 amps. As per NEC 334.80, 6/3 romex can only go up to 55 amps and depending on the inspector, would fail for being undersized.

    • @billstarr9396
      @billstarr9396 7 месяцев назад

      @@elpajaropelu9527 it is a 40 Amp EV charger therefore using the 125% multiplier that brings it up to a 50 Amp breaker. I plan on using 8/2 copper romex with a ground. As for the neutral pigtail off the breaker I plan to land it on the neutral bus regardless of the fact that the branch circuit is single phase, minus a neutral conductor.

    • @jfbeam
      @jfbeam 7 месяцев назад +1

      GFCI is only required for a receptacle. If it's hardwired, the stupid thing isn't required. If the breaker is designed correctly, it won't have a neutral, but it might need it if it's an electronic (requires power) breaker. As always, consult the manufacturer's documentation!

  • @jfbeam
    @jfbeam 7 месяцев назад

    The "first disconnecting means" is just that... the _first_ disconnecting means. (the first place the service can be disconnected.) I've never understood why that's such a difficult concept for anyone to understand.
    (And FWIW, some "smart" meters can disconnect the service as well. But that doesn't count for NEC as it's service equipment; only the PoCo is supposed to be able to command those things.)

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      Right on brother! Let's get the word out so everyone gets this right!

  • @seanstrickley3992
    @seanstrickley3992 7 месяцев назад

    Before I read or listen to video I'm going to answer which I believe is correct. We bond both neutral and ground wires at the main panel all sub panels are to be separate from one another. Why? I'm not sure I can't remember honestly

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад +2

      After watching the video, what is your opinion?

  • @samuelt5131
    @samuelt5131 7 месяцев назад +1

    "the first point of disconnect" there's your answer.

    • @SparkyChannel
      @SparkyChannel  7 месяцев назад

      Yes, but "service disconnecting means" is how it's stated in 250.24(B) see 2:20

  • @jasonblaha6891
    @jasonblaha6891 6 месяцев назад +1

    Bruh spary the grandpa i allways wanted😢

  • @johnkulpowich5260
    @johnkulpowich5260 7 месяцев назад +2

    All meter box s. The neutral is bonded to the box.

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