Thinking of trying this with a double bucket to avoid the bags. the normal drilled bucket with a second unmodified bucket on the outside for the soak time. Simply keep the outer bucket there for 2 weeks to contain the water, then remove it and hang the drilled pail over night to drain. stir in the grain spawn and done. Thanks for the inspiration to not need to spread in the sun like Stamets. if this gets contam problems I'd probably try the intermediary step of spreading out.
did you have success? i plan on trying this technique for golden teachers, you think if i use horse or cow manure to do it, would it be more likely to contaminate than woody substrates ? or should i try another substrate for GT, maybe straw with some Manure?
@danni4213 yeah I harvested like 20 lbs of winecaps last year by using this to expand a 5lb bag of spawn to around 100 lbs and inoculate an acre of mulch (around 100 cubic yards). Only one of my 10 beds fruited but I calculate I should be able to harvest more winecaps this year than I can possibly use :) I’m probably way too excited about them. Ironically I’m the only person in my family who likes eating mushrooms. I don’t know if this would work for golden teachers because the substrate is obviously a lot richer with (manure etc) than arborist mulch so the contaminate risk is higher. I would try it small scale and let me know.
@@danni4213 It depends on what you are growing, some species are wood lovers, some are poo lovers. GT's etc are the latter, idk if people have much luck with those outside though. I'm waiting for spring to do outdoor for the first time with this method.
Thanks for the video! I was actually looking for any info using wood chips to make a bokashi bran using wood chips and luckily found your video. Now I can expand the ways of usage of the wood chips. I really love shiitake mushrooms and will try to grow them in this substrate. Thanks for the video!
@@gayatrimelkote6822 This method works well for shiitake mushroom mycelium! I spoiled the rest of the process due the lack of time but I believe it possible to grow them too BUT it all depends on material. I got virgin wood chips from neighbours garden :-( I will make more spawn/mycelium this way and try again next summer.
If you’re near independence missouri I’d gladly give you a handful for free. Usually you’ll get it from a company that sells mycelium online or from another part of your homestead or maybe a local source, assuming you have a specific species in mind you want to cultivate
@@thechaosgardener I wish I could be near but it would take me some flying hours :) My main goal is to improve networking soil organisms and make the plantations happy here around 💚
I think I got my mycelium form a company called Henosis. I didn’t think it worked because it took almost a year before I saw my first winecaps. It doesn’t fruit until it finishes colonizing like 90% of the available biomass and I had so much woodchips it took forever
@@thechaosgardener Lately I read that we could let mushrooms dry (eg from the supermarket) and then fill the bags with, may be an experience to try ;) Would be nice to share our findings through our garden path, lets keep in touch😇
@@thechaosgardener another thing I've considered (but I'm no mushroomer) is to use the diversity principle of mixed cover crops in a mushroom context. Diversity always wins. You couldn't control for which mushroom you'd get, but I think if you inoculated a bag with ten species instead of one, you'd have a more resilient grow that would use all the nutrients at its disposal.
@@trenomas1 cool idea, I use winecap mostly for a probiotic. Harmful fungus cannot live around my fruit trees if their mulch if fully colonized by winecap mycelium
is it possible to frememtat substrates in a big dish or drum then after 2weeks of fermentation pack them into plastic bags for spawn inoculation. is it possible in consideration of being contaminated by harmful pathogens.?
Yes! That’s how Stamets did it. I was just trying to simplify the process and not have to move anything and also I didn’t have a drum at the time. I realize now there’s a place a mile away that gives empty food grade metal drums away for $10 so I got a couple.
@@thechaosgardener if I want to boost my mycelium colonization within short time interval, at what stage and how should I add the beneficial microorganisms ?
@user-kb4mp8ux8f I do it outdoors in tap water from the hose. I don’t add beneficial microbes they are just natural bacteria around my food forest that find their way into the water
@@thechaosgardener do you put a spigot in the drum, or do you put burlap bags or something into it and hoist them out? I did the mycorestoration seminar at the stamets compound where he used massive totes but he had the machinery to move stuff around. I'm trying to find the at-home sweet spot bigger than a 5 gallon bucket but still manageable by one person. A trashcan maybe?
The drum is about 500 lbs when it’s full, I push it over and left the water and chips spill out and bag them up. Installing a spigot would probably be much better. For me it’s just to inoculate the mulch around my fruit trees. The winecap mycelium prevents harmful fungi from ruining my apple trees and the mushrooms are a bonus
I am not sure. If the strain has aggressive genetics it might be successful. The key is to make sure all potential contaminants are anaerobes. I have only had success with winecap and oyster.
Thanks for the insight. I'll run some tests, and will let you know in a couple weeks from now!! I'll do pink oysters and lions mane!!@@thechaosgardener
Because compost is a) an aerobic decomposition of organic matter, that bag is completely anaerobic. b) compost tea is brewed for hours, even days before being ready to use and c) Compost is made from high carbon (like the wood chips) and high nitrogen materials, which are completely absent here @@nkechinwandu7603
@@nkechinwandu7603 i just answered and the comment disappeared. Summery: Compost tea is made from aerobic decomposition and that bag is anaerobic, also, no nitrogen rich material. So no, that is NOT similar to compost tea at all.
It worked! Winecap mushrooms popped up all over!
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Thank you, sir, very helpful
Good stuff man, love it ❤
Thanks! I appreciate the support!
Thinking of trying this with a double bucket to avoid the bags. the normal drilled bucket with a second unmodified bucket on the outside for the soak time. Simply keep the outer bucket there for 2 weeks to contain the water, then remove it and hang the drilled pail over night to drain. stir in the grain spawn and done. Thanks for the inspiration to not need to spread in the sun like Stamets. if this gets contam problems I'd probably try the intermediary step of spreading out.
Thats a good idea!
did you have success? i plan on trying this technique for golden teachers, you think if i use horse or cow manure to do it, would it be more likely to contaminate than woody substrates ? or should i try another substrate for GT, maybe straw with some Manure?
@danni4213 yeah I harvested like 20 lbs of winecaps last year by using this to expand a 5lb bag of spawn to around 100 lbs and inoculate an acre of mulch (around 100 cubic yards). Only one of my 10 beds fruited but I calculate I should be able to harvest more winecaps this year than I can possibly use :) I’m probably way too excited about them. Ironically I’m the only person in my family who likes eating mushrooms. I don’t know if this would work for golden teachers because the substrate is obviously a lot richer with (manure etc) than arborist mulch so the contaminate risk is higher. I would try it small scale and let me know.
@@danni4213 It depends on what you are growing, some species are wood lovers, some are poo lovers. GT's etc are the latter, idk if people have much luck with those outside though. I'm waiting for spring to do outdoor for the first time with this method.
Thanks for the video! I was actually looking for any info using wood chips to make a bokashi bran using wood chips and luckily found your video. Now I can expand the ways of usage of the wood chips.
I really love shiitake mushrooms and will try to grow them in this substrate.
Thanks for the video!
Did you grow the shiitake mushrooms?
@@gayatrimelkote6822 not yet. I'm experimenting with wine cap mushrooms at the moment.
@@gayatrimelkote6822 This method works well for shiitake mushroom mycelium! I spoiled the rest of the process due the lack of time but I believe it possible to grow them too BUT it all depends on material. I got virgin wood chips from neighbours garden :-( I will make more spawn/mycelium this way and try again next summer.
Word: Running .. ?
Great video. Cheers from Wa state
Yeah it think running was the word I was reaching for
Rhizomorphic growth?
thank you
The anaerobic fermentation sterilizes it for exceptional innoculation.
I was born and raised in Merced Ca.
Nice! Lemoore California here! Class of ‘99
Do you have a full training video on mushroom cultivation?
😮 colonization
Encouraging us to continue the good example. Just please tell is once drained: how do we get the mycelium to inoculate them ?
If you’re near independence missouri I’d gladly give you a handful for free. Usually you’ll get it from a company that sells mycelium online or from another part of your homestead or maybe a local source, assuming you have a specific species in mind you want to cultivate
@@thechaosgardener I wish I could be near but it would take me some flying hours :) My main goal is to improve networking soil organisms and make the plantations happy here around 💚
I think I got my mycelium form a company called Henosis. I didn’t think it worked because it took almost a year before I saw my first winecaps. It doesn’t fruit until it finishes colonizing like 90% of the available biomass and I had so much woodchips it took forever
@@thechaosgardener Lately I read that we could let mushrooms dry (eg from the supermarket) and then fill the bags with, may be an experience to try ;) Would be nice to share our findings through our garden path, lets keep in touch😇
does sawdust work with this technique or straw, has anyone tried it?
I know it works with shredded paper (with nutrient) or raw arborist mulch. I would guess it would work with any substrate
I think this could be improved with a deliberate inoculation of lactic acid bacteria from whey or sauerkraut.
That would be a cool experiment to purposely inoculate with a quality anaerobe and compare
@@thechaosgardener another thing I've considered (but I'm no mushroomer) is to use the diversity principle of mixed cover crops in a mushroom context.
Diversity always wins. You couldn't control for which mushroom you'd get, but I think if you inoculated a bag with ten species instead of one, you'd have a more resilient grow that would use all the nutrients at its disposal.
@@trenomas1 yeah that’s a good idea. I wonder if cow manure would work as an inoculant
@@trenomas1 cool idea, I use winecap mostly for a probiotic. Harmful fungus cannot live around my fruit trees if their mulch if fully colonized by winecap mycelium
@@thechaosgardener Interesting. I wonder if the kind of mushroom in the duff could be matched and optimized to specific trees.
is it possible to frememtat substrates in a big dish or drum then after 2weeks of fermentation pack them into plastic bags for spawn inoculation. is it possible in consideration of being contaminated by harmful pathogens.?
Yes! That’s how Stamets did it. I was just trying to simplify the process and not have to move anything and also I didn’t have a drum at the time. I realize now there’s a place a mile away that gives empty food grade metal drums away for $10 so I got a couple.
@@thechaosgardener if I want to boost my mycelium colonization within short time interval, at what stage and how should I add the beneficial microorganisms ?
@user-kb4mp8ux8f I do it outdoors in tap water from the hose. I don’t add beneficial microbes they are just natural bacteria around my food forest that find their way into the water
@@thechaosgardener do you put a spigot in the drum, or do you put burlap bags or something into it and hoist them out? I did the mycorestoration seminar at the stamets compound where he used massive totes but he had the machinery to move stuff around. I'm trying to find the at-home sweet spot bigger than a 5 gallon bucket but still manageable by one person. A trashcan maybe?
The drum is about 500 lbs when it’s full, I push it over and left the water and chips spill out and bag them up. Installing a spigot would probably be much better. For me it’s just to inoculate the mulch around my fruit trees. The winecap mycelium prevents harmful fungi from ruining my apple trees and the mushrooms are a bonus
I believe the term you're looking for is "colonize"
Yup colonize or run. Thank you. As soon as I finished recording I remembered I was just too lazy to re-record :)
Inoculation or colonization 😊
Does it work with straw also?
Absolutely! I just have unlimited free mulch so I use mulch
Can this be done with oyster mushroom?
Yes, Paul Stamets suggested a similar tek with a 55 gallon drum. This is just smaller scale. I think you can use this with any mycelium.
Mycelial raft
I believe the word you were searching for is hyphae.
Do you think this tek works with Lion's mane?
I am not sure. If the strain has aggressive genetics it might be successful. The key is to make sure all potential contaminants are anaerobes. I have only had success with winecap and oyster.
*with this tek
Thanks for the insight. I'll run some tests, and will let you know in a couple weeks from now!! I'll do pink oysters and lions mane!!@@thechaosgardener
@@ale.ktheo.g4394how did it go? I got tons of winecaps Plant Protecting Mushrooms!
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all good but there's no way you can compare that water to compost tea, that is wildy wrong.
How so?
Because compost is a) an aerobic decomposition of organic matter, that bag is completely anaerobic. b) compost tea is brewed for hours, even days before being ready to use and c) Compost is made from high carbon (like the wood chips) and high nitrogen materials, which are completely absent here @@nkechinwandu7603
@@nkechinwandu7603 i just answered and the comment disappeared. Summery: Compost tea is made from aerobic decomposition and that bag is anaerobic, also, no nitrogen rich material. So no, that is NOT similar to compost tea at all.