FYI you can hit multiple models under the central hole, but only one is hit with the high S attack. Risk being hit says that any model even partially under the central hole is automatically hit. So if you land a 3" blast in the middle of say 4 dragon ogres, it automatically hits 2 of them even if the blast doesn't cover their base
@Dawiafterdark Risk of Being Hit General Principles Table of Contents Last update: 2024 February 01 Rulebook, p. 95 To determine which models risk being hit by a template, hold it in place and look to see which models' bases lie underneath it: A model whose base lies completely underneath a template, or partially underneath the central hole of a blast template, is hit automatically. This is not limited to a single model. Up to 4 models can be under the central hole for example a 2x2 unit of trolls hit by the doombolt spell for example suffer 4 automatic hits because all 4 are under the hole People often forget this because the stone thrower itself says only 1 model can be hit by the s8 ap3 d3+1 damage shot. But this does not negate the other models still being automatically hit by the s4 ap1 what or whatever it is
@@emcdunna you know what I’ve played 100s of games I’ve either missed that or read it and someone argued against it at an event couldn’t risk it so went against it , thanks for that ! Even better !!
@@mikek2662 so you can’t do the pivot trick with a hill unfortunately anymore unless the hill has a flat top , it’s kinda an abstract ruling but that feels right
@@Dawiafterdark hmm(depends how terrain model locks like?)thought that you can place war machine wherever you like only need to be placed touching hill to have benefit being on?
@@Dawiafterdark That sems like a good ruling. That said anyone who tries to think too hard about the idea in the rules that the centre-point of the hill is its high point will soon find that they can't say anything sensible about it at all!
@@leb_340 thank you ! Appreciate it ! Yes !!! I love them , they are a gamblers peice , because in some games they will win you the game and others they will do nothing but they are so good at applying early pressure
one thing to protect warmachines: a 5 slayer unit with a Giantslayer or a Doomseeker, i've tried a lone doomseeker and was nice, but i got a -1 movement on the mercenary roll, so, maybe it's better the 5 dude unit
I’m taking an expeditionary force with 6 war machines to my 1st tourney next weekend. This was great. Thanks for providing all that insight and tactics. Quick question, with giving the war machines “move and shoot” for the organs guns that use the crews artillery to determine hits, does the movement penalty for shooting apply to the “to hit” for the war machines as well? I assume it does as the rules for multi barreled state at the very end “apply all appropriate modifiers”. Great video as always and keep up the great work!
Ohhh good luck I hope you smash it !! Yeah unfortunately the organ guns will be at another minus that turn as they don’t have quick shot rule which I feel is an oversite !
how did it went? cannons are really worth to move and shoot, anything else hardly is, but it may be great to deploy next to a sight blocking terrain and then just move the artillery in a turn before they may get attacked and thus denying the opponents the points. It's sad that our dwarfs lost their general WS4. This hurts a lot of our troops tbh.
grudge and organ gun are my favorite so far. I manage to shoot over 14 shoot 3 turn in a row :) with organ gun. I gonna try cannon because it for me a classic artillery that i have to try ! Thank for you vidz!
@@Dawiafterdark with my friends we will try a campaign. 600 army list, with only 1 character max 100pts, limit of 1000 lowered to 750pts. I tried several list but not manage to take a win yet. (in like 7-8 game.), maybe too agressive or not artillery. My next try are: runesmith- full plate shield, 2 rune of shielding 12 rangers great weapon, shield 10 warrios (full command) shield 5thunderers (champion only) shield 1 gyro clatterguns 5 irondrake (champion with tornado) or xpedition list: burlok damminson 10 thunderers (full command) great weapon shield 15 warriors (full command) shield 10 thunderers (full command) great weapon shield 1gyro clatterguns
Played my first dwarf game yesterday, with a canon and an organ gun against high elves. I underestimated how bad BS 3 is on the organ gun, fortunately my lords and heroes cleaved through what ever he put against me and my rangers cleared his backline. I defently found love for the humble dwarf warrior with shield wall and great weapon, and the multipurpose rangers.
@@kasperfriismgelbjerg3563 well done killing those knife ears ! I actually rank the humble warrior as one of my favourite units to be honest they are great ! Yeah withought rerolling ones the organ gun can be a abit pants
Great video! Will definitely get my hands on some grudge throwers. Question: When positioning war machines behind woods and then pivot them inside to see trough, would that trigger a dangerous terrain test?
Always great content. One thing I learned is that giving them engineering runes gives them magical attacks which helps against ethereal playlists. Which unfortunately eliminates the organ gun imo. So I usually only take cannons and/or grudge throwers as they are more flexible if you don't know what you will be up against.
Don't be too hard on the poor Flame cannon. I think with the "Function over Form" upgrade from the X-Force there is some fun to be had. (but yeah, it's in a tough spot. Doesn't even force a panic at one casualty. That might have been a redeeming quality) Another aspect on the mathematics of Grudge Throwers: On a direct hit against models on 25mm bases, you score most hits (both automatic and partial) on units which have an equal number of ranks and files. Against 30mm models, either rank or file should be uneven. Good thing to keep in mind if you have the choice of targets (and there are no other strategic implications).
Love the content, as always! Could you also include the goblin hewer in the video with the flame cannon? I know it's a meme unit but I still would like to hear your thoughts.
does the turn 1 pivot into the woods let you shoot turn 1? I know pivoting isnt technically moving but I thought you would have to need LoS to something before pivoting to face it, if not that is a super good strat!
As usual, another good episode. I'm enjoying these even though I don't play Dwarves! I have a question, I am still a beginner, so please do forgive me if this is really obvious. If a unit that has the evasive rule and are targeted by a cannon, can they avoid it? If so, how would that scenario play out? Thank you
Thanks so much ! I will get round to other armies eventually 🤣 so as the cannon targets a points on the ground they can’t use evasive so cannons are really good at mowing some of them down !
@@Dawiafterdark one last thing please, it's a totally unrelated question, but if an item that gives you magic resistance, like the Spelleater Axe and the character with that axe joins a unit. Does the entire unit benefit from the resistance? Thanks
@@Dawiafterdark With the utmost respect and bowing to your longbeard-wisdom. i dunno if i do bro! -The games where i replace them with more irondrakes or more gyro's seem to go infinitely better 😝
@@ComandaKronikk I play a lot of avoidance players where they won’t engage , kill one unit for the win points then hide so I definitely miss them , if more drakes works in your games that’s awesome ! I love some drakes
It’s a grudging that Dawi gunpowder lacks power. Should have a ‘superior mixture’ or ‘perfected powder’ rule that has stronger projectiles, reflecting the dwarves powder recipe being of higher quality than that of manlings.
Great video, will try and put these tips to use in my next game. Btw would 3 Warmachines (2 Cannon and 1 Organ gun) be "to much" artillery? Expirementing with an Engineering Expisition with DoomSeeker and a Deamon slayer for points denial plus Thunderers that can Move and Shoot.
Hey, I’ve been collecting Highland Miniatures dwarfs as well, what size bases do you use for your artillery? Specifically the grudge thrower (but the sizes of the rest would be helpful as well). Thanks!
@@robertpigeon2530 so I use 32mm for mine just so they look nice on the tabletop , I normally use slightly bigger bases for my artillery so they can fit better , if anything it’s more a tactical disadvantage as they are easier to hit , but they look better bigger
I still have 3 of the itty bitty cannons that came in the battle for skull pass set, and an old lego catapult which is a bit bigger than the grudge thrower you have. Shame the cannons are pretty dreadful in TOW.
oh so empire's cannon is only 25 points more expenive but have 12" bigger range, 2 more strength and deal one more damage? (and have one less toughness I guess) uh that sounds like either empire's canon is too strong or dwarf canon is too weak for the points am I missing something?
@@jaydub1112 to be honest I don’t think I even class it at an artillery price it’s more a ranged option for if you running a full fluffy slayer force 🤣
You mention aiming with the cannon to bounce through and hit units behind the one you're targeting. Are there any restrictions on doing that when the unit behind is one you can't see (i.e. not a large target) and it's obvious that that's what you're really trying to hit? I don't ask this to cast aspersions or anything, I expect competitive players will be doing whatever they're allowed to do, just genuinely interested to know how tournaments deal with this.
@@ClydeMillerWynant so as long as you pick a point on the ground you can see it’s fine you can even shoot through woods that way . I personally don’t like shooting through woods but people do it , it’s in the rules so it’s fair game :)
@@Dawiafterdark I can understand tournaments going with the 'anything goes' approach as it'll surely save arguments in the long run. Would have thought they might have ruled out the woods thing on the grounds you should be able to see something in the direction you're firing, but not really surprised. The other one that I'd raise an eyebrow at is 'aiming' right in front of a unit you can see that is only one rank deep (i.e. you can't possibly hit it as a 2 will take you over) in order to hit something behind, but I guess they (or Rob at least) are allowing that too as there's not really a rule against it. Think it's actually a bit of a shame that they didn't rewrite cannons entirely, was a good opportunity to finally do it.
So I really don’t like the rule and think you should be able to see what you’re shooting at , but those are the decided rules so might aswell use them I suppose . Personally for version two I’d like a redo
@@Dawiafterdark Thanks for the info - it's helpful to know how it's dealt with even if (like you) I would change it by choice. I can certainly see the case for just accepting the rules as they are for the time being as I can see that otherwise you could end up with various marginal cases and it could become difficult to always get a consistent ruling.
Thank you for the video, great pointers. I just feel sad that some armies like the Dwarfs, need to use exploits like the pivot in and out of terrain, it shouldn't be a thing. True line of sight should be added again to remove stuff like that. Do you get cover still? Ofc, but it takes me out of the immersion and fun of the game when you need to do that, do point denial, linehammer, a million gyrocopters, etc. :(
Man that pivoting thing is cheesy. It's so obnoxious that I don't think GW will even address it in an FAQ. I'm not sure what the best way as a community for us to respond to these types of rules is. Love the channel!
Can imagine it might get FAQ'd though I see your point! The rules on woods aren't very good to my mind - old pre-8th Ed rules where you had to be within 2" of the edge for shooting out and to be shot at made much more sense.
Be careful with your pivot tactic. Please double ceck the base size and the rule for pivoting. It works different as the pivoting of "open order" rule.
honestly, all the BF artillerie is worth not much. BF 3 is crap to hit anything and thats before we even apply any multipliers. Some characters with the right runes are better at being artillery. The sadness of having lost engineers for our WM making them BF4 or even attach Master Engineers for BF5 makes dwarven BF machines kinda useless, you can just instead bring a 5of Drakefiredudes with a Trolltorpedo and they do a better job. They have better armor, fighting skill Wounds. So outside of Grudgethrowers and Cannons I see not much good use for dwarven Warmachines atm. Important to note about the cannon is, the mostlikely palces for the cannonaball to land is 6, 8 and 10 from the chosen point. which when wanting tomow through enemy units means if they are longer than 2" aim 8" in front of them so that the 8" mark is still exactly on the models base border countign as a hit. it it's a unit really big, make it 6" before it.
FYI you can hit multiple models under the central hole, but only one is hit with the high S attack. Risk being hit says that any model even partially under the central hole is automatically hit. So if you land a 3" blast in the middle of say 4 dragon ogres, it automatically hits 2 of them even if the blast doesn't cover their base
Can you post the line where it says that as in the rule it says a single model is hit under the central hole . I would greatly appreciate it :)
@Dawiafterdark Risk of Being Hit
General Principles
Table of Contents
Last update: 2024 February 01
Rulebook, p. 95
To determine which models risk being hit by a template, hold it in place and look to see which models' bases lie underneath it:
A model whose base lies completely underneath a template, or partially underneath the central hole of a blast template, is hit automatically.
This is not limited to a single model. Up to 4 models can be under the central hole for example a 2x2 unit of trolls hit by the doombolt spell for example suffer 4 automatic hits because all 4 are under the hole
People often forget this because the stone thrower itself says only 1 model can be hit by the s8 ap3 d3+1 damage shot. But this does not negate the other models still being automatically hit by the s4 ap1 what or whatever it is
@@emcdunna you know what I’ve played 100s of games I’ve either missed that or read it and someone argued against it at an event couldn’t risk it so went against it , thanks for that ! Even better !!
@Dawiafterdark I'm probably on game like 50 or so and yeah I learned about this last week
@@emcdunna I swear someone argued this against me and I just failed to find it 🤣 I love grudge throwers so much !!
Awesome seeing your army in this demo Rich. They look proper dwarf mate.
@@nickwalk54 thanks mate ! Loves a good dwarf ! You probably couldn’t tell haha
Great video. I don’t play dwarfs but I always watch all your content to learn for when I encounter a dwarf player haha.
Hahaha thanks for watching haha , yeah the tips definitely work both ways haha
Another great video, like that idea to hide behind wood or hill and pivot:)
@@mikek2662 so you can’t do the pivot trick with a hill unfortunately anymore unless the hill has a flat top , it’s kinda an abstract ruling but that feels right
@@Dawiafterdark hmm(depends how terrain model locks like?)thought that you can place war machine wherever you like only need to be placed touching hill to have benefit being on?
@@mikek2662 so been house ruled at events via faq that warranties needs to be fully on the hill
@@Dawiafterdark I see thank you
@@Dawiafterdark That sems like a good ruling. That said anyone who tries to think too hard about the idea in the rules that the centre-point of the hill is its high point will soon find that they can't say anything sensible about it at all!
This pivot in woods tactic is insane 😮😮😮
Isn't the warmachines in square bases.
Great episode ! Bought and painted a second Grudge Thrower since I follow you on YT 😅 looking forwards to test them in game 👍
@@leb_340 thank you ! Appreciate it ! Yes !!! I love them , they are a gamblers peice , because in some games they will win you the game and others they will do nothing but they are so good at applying early pressure
Another good episode Richy. Thanks!
@@QoS230 cheers mate !
one thing to protect warmachines: a 5 slayer unit with a Giantslayer or a Doomseeker, i've tried a lone doomseeker and was nice, but i got a -1 movement on the mercenary roll, so, maybe it's better the 5 dude unit
I’m taking an expeditionary force with 6 war machines to my 1st tourney next weekend. This was great. Thanks for providing all that insight and tactics. Quick question, with giving the war machines “move and shoot” for the organs guns that use the crews artillery to determine hits, does the movement penalty for shooting apply to the “to hit” for the war machines as well? I assume it does as the rules for multi barreled state at the very end “apply all appropriate modifiers”. Great video as always and keep up the great work!
Ohhh good luck I hope you smash it !! Yeah unfortunately the organ guns will be at another minus that turn as they don’t have quick shot rule which I feel is an oversite !
how did it went? cannons are really worth to move and shoot, anything else hardly is, but it may be great to deploy next to a sight blocking terrain and then just move the artillery in a turn before they may get attacked and thus denying the opponents the points. It's sad that our dwarfs lost their general WS4. This hurts a lot of our troops tbh.
grudge and organ gun are my favorite so far. I manage to shoot over 14 shoot 3 turn in a row :) with organ gun.
I gonna try cannon because it for me a classic artillery that i have to try ! Thank for you vidz!
@@radoineta glad your having success with them !!! And thanks for watching the videos ! Hope you enjoy the cannons !
@@Dawiafterdark with my friends we will try a campaign. 600 army list, with only 1 character max 100pts, limit of 1000 lowered to 750pts.
I tried several list but not manage to take a win yet. (in like 7-8 game.), maybe too agressive or not artillery.
My next try are:
runesmith- full plate shield, 2 rune of shielding
12 rangers great weapon, shield
10 warrios (full command) shield
5thunderers (champion only) shield
1 gyro clatterguns
5 irondrake (champion with tornado)
or
xpedition list:
burlok damminson
10 thunderers (full command) great weapon shield
15 warriors (full command) shield
10 thunderers (full command) great weapon shield
1gyro clatterguns
@@radoineta ohhh nice they both look fun lists , I think dwarfs are a finesse army but once they click you can smash people !
Played my first dwarf game yesterday, with a canon and an organ gun against high elves. I underestimated how bad BS 3 is on the organ gun, fortunately my lords and heroes cleaved through what ever he put against me and my rangers cleared his backline.
I defently found love for the humble dwarf warrior with shield wall and great weapon, and the multipurpose rangers.
@@kasperfriismgelbjerg3563 well done killing those knife ears ! I actually rank the humble warrior as one of my favourite units to be honest they are great ! Yeah withought rerolling ones the organ gun can be a abit pants
Great video! Will definitely get my hands on some grudge throwers.
Question: When positioning war machines behind woods and then pivot them inside to see trough, would that trigger a dangerous terrain test?
It doesn’t mate no as pivoting a skirmisher isn’t considered a move :)
Always great content. One thing I learned is that giving them engineering runes gives them magical attacks which helps against ethereal playlists. Which unfortunately eliminates the organ gun imo. So I usually only take cannons and/or grudge throwers as they are more flexible if you don't know what you will be up against.
100 percent! I really want the organ gun to be amazing but I just don’t roll well enough 🤣 I’ve never rolled 20 shots
Don't be too hard on the poor Flame cannon. I think with the "Function over Form" upgrade from the X-Force there is some fun to be had. (but yeah, it's in a tough spot. Doesn't even force a panic at one casualty. That might have been a redeeming quality)
Another aspect on the mathematics of Grudge Throwers: On a direct hit against models on 25mm bases, you score most hits (both automatic and partial) on units which have an equal number of ranks and files. Against 30mm models, either rank or file should be uneven. Good thing to keep in mind if you have the choice of targets (and there are no other strategic implications).
I think il try and work out how to make it work in the future , it’s just definitely ina Tough spot ! Ohhh yeah 100 percent !
Love the content, as always! Could you also include the goblin hewer in the video with the flame cannon? I know it's a meme unit but I still would like to hear your thoughts.
@@julianfonseca9843 yeah no problem I can do a combined vid of the two , funnily enough the goblin hewer is only really good against goblins
I love my bolt throwers with runes of skewering!
Its just sad that they only hit half of the time :(
I know only hitting on 5s outside of half range is rough
Any monstrous creature or behemoth stops the cannonball :)
@@helenamori as soon as I finished filming it I was like damn I said that wrong 🤣
@@Dawiafterdarkimagine getting a rule wrong in old world. I’ve never done that. There’s only like 3 rules in the entire game. Tsk tsk!! (/s)
Hahaha I know right who would do that 🫣🫣🤣🤣
does the turn 1 pivot into the woods let you shoot turn 1? I know pivoting isnt technically moving but I thought you would have to need LoS to something before pivoting to face it, if not that is a super good strat!
As usual, another good episode. I'm enjoying these even though I don't play Dwarves! I have a question, I am still a beginner, so please do forgive me if this is really obvious. If a unit that has the evasive rule and are targeted by a cannon, can they avoid it? If so, how would that scenario play out? Thank you
Thanks so much ! I will get round to other armies eventually 🤣 so as the cannon targets a points on the ground they can’t use evasive so cannons are really good at mowing some of them down !
@@Dawiafterdark so Evasive only come into effect if the unit is directly targeted?
@@foreverthesceptic7942 yes mate exactly :)
@@Dawiafterdark thank you!
@@Dawiafterdark one last thing please, it's a totally unrelated question, but if an item that gives you magic resistance, like the Spelleater Axe and the character with that axe joins a unit. Does the entire unit benefit from the resistance? Thanks
I wanna like the grudge throwers so much but i ran two of them for awhile and they just let me down every time! 😂
Haha that happens sometimes , but when you don’t have them you really miss them 🤣
@@Dawiafterdark With the utmost respect and bowing to your longbeard-wisdom. i dunno if i do bro! -The games where i replace them with more irondrakes or more gyro's seem to go infinitely better 😝
@@ComandaKronikk I play a lot of avoidance players where they won’t engage , kill one unit for the win points then hide so I definitely miss them , if more drakes works in your games that’s awesome ! I love some drakes
It’s a grudging that Dawi gunpowder lacks power. Should have a ‘superior mixture’ or ‘perfected powder’ rule that has stronger projectiles, reflecting the dwarves powder recipe being of higher quality than that of manlings.
The fact that all empire artillery is better than ours , and bret bombards are even better is actually bs 🤣🤣
Great video, will try and put these tips to use in my next game. Btw would 3 Warmachines (2 Cannon and 1 Organ gun) be "to much" artillery? Expirementing with an Engineering Expisition with DoomSeeker and a Deamon slayer for points denial plus Thunderers that can Move and Shoot.
Hey, I’ve been collecting Highland Miniatures dwarfs as well, what size bases do you use for your artillery? Specifically the grudge thrower (but the sizes of the rest would be helpful as well).
Thanks!
@@robertpigeon2530 so I use 32mm for mine just so they look nice on the tabletop , I normally use slightly bigger bases for my artillery so they can fit better , if anything it’s more a tactical disadvantage as they are easier to hit , but they look better bigger
I still have 3 of the itty bitty cannons that came in the battle for skull pass set, and an old lego catapult which is a bit bigger than the grudge thrower you have. Shame the cannons are pretty dreadful in TOW.
@@JohnnyTightIips I know I miss cannons being absolutely busted 🤣 awww I’ve got a couple of those still love them , love it !!
Would pivoting into woods mean having to take a dangerous terrain test? Or do you need to move inches?
Pivoting isn’t classed as a move so your all good :)
Can you aim for the back of a unit since you can't see it?
So basically you pick a point that is ten inches infront of the back of the unit :) that’s statistically the best place to shoot :)
could you share the file of your "spells" cards that you used in the tournament? magic like
oh so empire's cannon is only 25 points more expenive but have 12" bigger range, 2 more strength and deal one more damage? (and have one less toughness I guess)
uh that sounds like either empire's canon is too strong or dwarf canon is too weak for the points
am I missing something?
@@bottomquark2554 in my opinion our cannons are weak , definitely paying for sins from previous generations editions I think !
Empire always had the better cannon, even in older editions of WHF. It was BS then and is BS now.
I saw on other video that your general is on a bear,do you proxy it as a shieldbearer?
Yeah I proxy with the scribor miniatures generals on beat , love them !
Do it work for odher faction altylery?
Yeah 100 percent , apart from other artillery is actually better than dwarf artillery but the tactics are the same :)
Goblin Hewer so bad it doesn’t even warrant a mention.
@@jaydub1112 to be honest I don’t think I even class it at an artillery price it’s more a ranged option for if you running a full fluffy slayer force 🤣
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You mention aiming with the cannon to bounce through and hit units behind the one you're targeting. Are there any restrictions on doing that when the unit behind is one you can't see (i.e. not a large target) and it's obvious that that's what you're really trying to hit? I don't ask this to cast aspersions or anything, I expect competitive players will be doing whatever they're allowed to do, just genuinely interested to know how tournaments deal with this.
@@ClydeMillerWynant so as long as you pick a point on the ground you can see it’s fine you can even shoot through woods that way . I personally don’t like shooting through woods but people do it , it’s in the rules so it’s fair game :)
@@Dawiafterdark I can understand tournaments going with the 'anything goes' approach as it'll surely save arguments in the long run. Would have thought they might have ruled out the woods thing on the grounds you should be able to see something in the direction you're firing, but not really surprised. The other one that I'd raise an eyebrow at is 'aiming' right in front of a unit you can see that is only one rank deep (i.e. you can't possibly hit it as a 2 will take you over) in order to hit something behind, but I guess they (or Rob at least) are allowing that too as there's not really a rule against it.
Think it's actually a bit of a shame that they didn't rewrite cannons entirely, was a good opportunity to finally do it.
So I really don’t like the rule and think you should be able to see what you’re shooting at , but those are the decided rules so might aswell use them I suppose . Personally for version two I’d like a redo
@@Dawiafterdark Thanks for the info - it's helpful to know how it's dealt with even if (like you) I would change it by choice. I can certainly see the case for just accepting the rules as they are for the time being as I can see that otherwise you could end up with various marginal cases and it could become difficult to always get a consistent ruling.
Thank you for the video, great pointers. I just feel sad that some armies like the Dwarfs, need to use exploits like the pivot in and out of terrain, it shouldn't be a thing. True line of sight should be added again to remove stuff like that. Do you get cover still? Ofc, but it takes me out of the immersion and fun of the game when you need to do that, do point denial, linehammer, a million gyrocopters, etc. :(
Are your cannons not on the wrong base size so the pivoting wouldn’t work
@@Jimmylip pivoting on 50s still works as you can clip the corner :)
Last question do you have to pivot anyway as they are skirmish and have 360 los for shooting
@ you don’t need to pivot at all you just can :)
I thought that was the case :) thanks for clarifying ❤️
I have had more luck leaving them at home and taking Irondrakes with Troll Hammer Torpedo's.
I always roll ones on them haha
Purple / pink dawi? Thats intresing hold colors.
I paint pretty dark so wanted some bright spot colours and the pink worked well haha
The Barak var color are purple, but i havent made them that bright lol, only the Shield/banner
@@Dawiafterdark may be its just becos i wath it on phone . Try to look it on biger screan ;]
Haha in some of my other videos I’ve got close ups of the models too :)
Man that pivoting thing is cheesy. It's so obnoxious that I don't think GW will even address it in an FAQ. I'm not sure what the best way as a community for us to respond to these types of rules is.
Love the channel!
Thanks mate ! I don’t think if it’s too cheesy you can only be hidden turn one really , plus armies with cannons aren’t dominating the scene 🤷 haha
Can imagine it might get FAQ'd though I see your point! The rules on woods aren't very good to my mind - old pre-8th Ed rules where you had to be within 2" of the edge for shooting out and to be shot at made much more sense.
It’s not brokenly good it just gives a bad taste. Rolling the cannons up and firing is what should make the D.E.F. special.
Be careful with your pivot tactic. Please double ceck the base size and the rule for pivoting. It works different as the pivoting of "open order" rule.
That Highlands miniatures Bolt Thrower is one of their less impressive models. Looks more like Grobi junk engineering than Dawi craftsmanship.
@@gotrekgurnisson9934 😂😂😂 that’s a grudgin !
honestly, all the BF artillerie is worth not much. BF 3 is crap to hit anything and thats before we even apply any multipliers. Some characters with the right runes are better at being artillery. The sadness of having lost engineers for our WM making them BF4 or even attach Master Engineers for BF5 makes dwarven BF machines kinda useless, you can just instead bring a 5of Drakefiredudes with a Trolltorpedo and they do a better job. They have better armor, fighting skill Wounds. So outside of Grudgethrowers and Cannons I see not much good use for dwarven Warmachines atm. Important to note about the cannon is, the mostlikely palces for the cannonaball to land is 6, 8 and 10 from the chosen point. which when wanting tomow through enemy units means if they are longer than 2" aim 8" in front of them so that the 8" mark is still exactly on the models base border countign as a hit. it it's a unit really big, make it 6" before it.
how to use dwarf artillery : don't use it.
🤣🤣