And in Legends the Rebels were even more organized and had a larger fleet. Mostly repurposed and modified Clone Wars tech. Rebel One, the modified Providence-class Carrier. The Lucrehulk (which they foolishly threw away at the Death Star.) And I'm positive they had claimed an old Venator or two.
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I’m very sorry to rain on your parade, but the a-wing was kinda the straw that broke the camels back, I guess you could say. Admiral Ackbar said “concentrate all fire on that super star destroyer” meaning it took quite a beating, and we can see one of its engines was shot. And not only that, the Death Star was big and the gravity pulled the ssd towards it.
Generation Tech please make a theory video about what if obi wan kenobi left the jedi order to be with Duchess Satine after his padawan mission to protect her.
Correction : Two Skywalkers, a Solo, a Calrisian, AND an Antilles! I mean, none of the first three were involved in the fleet engagement, vitals as their contributions were.
The Galactic Civil War has been won and the first thing to do is a military disarmament? Now that’s just terrible decision, there’s still a lot of Star Destroyers out there, the galaxy has not even been fully converted to the New Republic, that’s just terrible planning on Mon Mothma’s part and terrible writing on Disney’s.
Especially since the New Republic was not doing anything to enforce the Galactic Concordance. They were *trusting* that the First Order would not violate treaty terms and build new capital ships. You can see why this background did not make it into the movies and you have to read books to learn about it. Kathleen Kennedy would have vetoed a female leader being so flagrantly stupid in the movies.
You would think Mon Mothma would have remembered how a similar situation happened with the Clone Wars. The Separatist had a massive army of battle droids built in secret the Republic at best had the Jedi who were reluctant to even become involved in the conflict at all, and security forces. Without the clone army they would have lost the war in less than a month.
Yeah which is why that was retarded.. for such a huge galaxy i can understand a reduction when peace finally came. But TOTAL disarmament was supremely stupid. Id not reduced it anymore then half of what it was at Jakku when they drove the last nail in the Empires coffin. Since when the fleet spread out after that across the galaxy it'd probably even out. Then have those not in such forces moth balled or inactive in reserve forces incase ever needed again. So say at the end of Last Jedi or when Death Star 3.0 wiped out the new government.. bring it all back from contingency plans for just such a thing. So at the end Leias forces jist had to hold out till massive reinforcements showed up from everywhere to either wipe the 1st Order off the galactic map or present them with such odds even WITH Snoakes uber dreadnaught they didnt stand a chance, knew it and had the choice of either fighting to the death or surrender.. figure top ranked government officials that also had extensive general experience and spent most the rebellion having to make such plans would do this here too
For a galaxy the rebel fleet seems way to small. I always saw them as having alot more ships of a larger variety from old cis ships to even planet specific ships scattered around
That makes sense. The Return of the Jedi novelization specifically describes the fleet as stretching further then then eye can see, I think the big issue was how much making enough models for a realistic rebel fleet would have cost in the 1980s
I don't think there's ever been a confirmed count for the Alliance fleet in canon. I think I read somewhere that the force at Endor in canon wasn't everything the Alliance had it was just a number of cells including the three largest cells and the forces directly controlled by Alliance high command I'm not sure where I read that though. According to Wookieepedia Mon Monthma actually wasn't at Endor in canon. She took her ship from Sullust to safety so she could attempt to rally the Alliance's remaining forces if Ackbar's fleet failed.
If you mean why so little RUclips views well blame RUclips for its crap notification and algorithms. If you mean why we don't see the fleets blame JJ and Ruin for bad writing and directing.
You should do a size video on the Resistance because they make the resistance seem like a tiny group which I get because they want to try and show you the desperation of the group but In a galaxy of hundreds of trillions of beings, if there’s only like 100 good guys then it just seems boring and dull
Then they would be the same situation as before with low fuel and the FO navy bearing down on them. Finn and Rose would have been executed by Phasma. Rey and Kylo would have still killed Snoke and his guard, but Rey would probably be trapped on the Supremacy without the Holdo's suicide run.
They all would've just died on the Raddus. The real question is what would've happened if Holdo had never informed Poe about the plan to use their stealth transports to evacuate, thus preventing the First Order from finding out about the plan.
Except if the FO never learned about the transports they may never had known to even invade crait. And if they did, without Holdo's suicide charge, Rey and the crew wouldn't have had the distraction needed to escape preventing Rey from showing up to exac the survivors.
Rawtheran this new trilogy has been quite disappointing with big Fleet ti Fleet battles. The prequels at least had (though cgi) great big nice looking space battles. The original trilogy also had good battles with the first battle of Yavin and the battle of Endor. And with Rogue one and Han Solo showing amazing CGI and nice space battles and fighter combat I really hope they can make a good fleet battle
@@mitchell3593 Rriiiiight….I think it's time to put the bath salts away either that or Disney is paying you to say that. The characters are so Goddamned dull, the ideas are recycled or mixed 'n matched, HUGE disrespect of Luke Skywalker and the audience (for that matter) and there is a complete lack of empathy for the characters or their situation and Ray is needlessly overpowered; Tico is an absolute idiot too. Plus burning books is an abominable, fascist thing to do, not the way of the Jedi! KK and pals ruined Star Wars.
It would be nice to read more books about maintaining a rebellion against the empire. Building ships and weapons, establishing farming communities and building its own economy.
The thing is that only a handfull of planets had shipyards capable of building capitol ships, and in Aftermath books it was stated that construction of those new ships began after New Republic was founded and even then it took some time to persuede idiotic Mon Mothma to build them. The thing is that New Republic cannot be established with less then 20 capitol ships. At first, damage. Most of the ships would have been damaged in the battle of Endor and it would take time to repair them. Same goes for any fight. If a ship gets damaged, it will take a few months to repair them. You simply cannot destroy 15k ISDs in one year.
Remember that the Empire nationalized capital ship construction because they didn't want individual planets to be able to build such ships for use against the Empire. The big shipyards like KDY were under very tight Imperial control, and frankly had a financial interest in supporting the big-spending Empire over a New Republic that wanted a smaller, demilitarized government. We only see the New Republic fleet for a second onscreen, but it appears to consist mainly of Mon Calamari ships. Amazing that a single supplier, who had been under occupation for years, could build a fleet of large capital ships so quickly once the Empire was in disarray.
So the rebel alliance had 200-300 ships and the empire had no less than 100,000? Hard to believe the Empire was beaten and makes you wonder what happened to all those ships and their crews. Like possibly a few pockets of resistance from old imperial fleet wrecking havoc on the new republic.
I like legends version, when after Emperor Death empire fractures into many smaler factions, which also fight one againa one. And these were easier to destroy for new republic. Many loses to empire make empire
Marco Gaska in about a year after your initial comment Fantasy Flight games will reveal the official design for the starhawk as it will be an expansion for their Star Wars Armada table top fleet battle game. The ship is due to release in the fourth quarter of 2019....probably November. The design is worth the wait.
Actually I've been discussing the fleet sizes between the Rebels and Imperials with a few guys. Based on major operations and smaller encounters, we estimated that, based on the more solid canon numbers of 25,000, that the Rebels had a fleet roughly a quarter of that in size. This would also be noted in the original Return of the Jedi script, which stated the gathered Rebel Fleet went on beyond sight left and right of its center. While, of course, not all of these combat ships, the Empire made a big deal about the Rebels' fleet. Our best guess is that what the Fleet lacked in power and numbers, being only capable of Attack and Fade techniques, we believe this translated into a Fleet in Being status. And small forces of less than a hundredth the size of the Empire, would not get such a big status. There was also indication the entire Rebel Fleet hadn't assembled for the Battle of Endor. Estimates are still mixed, but what made us consider this, was the possibility that the Rebels may have had more Petra-class Frigates in their fleet coupled with other ships that they could pick up here and there. Add in the Quasar Fire-class Light Carrier, it is likely the entire Rebel Fleet was just the Main Fleet and that smaller cells operated their own ships. Losses mounting, you could say that the Battle of Hoth was one of a serious of disastrous battles and eventually, the Rebel Fleet gathered and made a bold move. Many veteran ships and crews would have been lost by this time.
At least a few hundred - with four fleets, and assuming about a hundred ships each. Could be more. Endor showed at least 100 ships, though not all in frame at once.
The original Battle of Endor in the movie didn't have more than 50 ships total in both fleets (excluding fighters). As it was only supposed to be Vaders little fleet and what few ships the rebels had cobbled together. When they digitally cleaned up the movies in the re-release, they drew dozens of ships in and made it an "epic space battle".
3:42 the Mon Cala escaped with 12 cruisers. Escaped, as in flew away from their planet, and obviously their own shipyards. 4:08 'several cruisers were lost' in Vadars ambush 4:10 'by the battle of Endor', which meant Scarif had already happened, -1 cruiser lost in that battle. 4:37 the fleet had between 12 and 'over two dozen' MC's. Yet they started with 12 cruisers, lost 'some' in the ambush and one at Scarif. They had two death starred at Endor, and probably lost at least one more to laser fire. Their home planet, and their yards, were under Imperial control. So *where* were the rebels getting these extra cruisers from? You cant just knock up a cruiser in a factory like you can a fighter, you would need shipyards. Surely the Imperials could easily detect if the Rebels were knocking up a shipyard?
So, Raddus's first wave of 3 cruisers and many smaller ships broke the blockade. They went to the alliance shipyard(yes,rebels do have shipyards) Soon, many other ships such as Ackbar's flagship, joined them
the rebels also had access to other ships like the dreadnought from the pre clone wars era they were few but could hold their own and also many corellian ships that had been hijacked or stolen from the empire plus it was also rumored they may of had at least 4 corellian battle crusirers that were used during on battle to save a world from the empire this group of ships then stayed at that planet to protect it
can someone explain star wars years to me? im always hearing 1080BBy and 8089BBy ... is BBy like 1980's? like would revenge of the sith be like 1940 in our world? and force awakens is like 2015 in our language or something lol
BBY means Before Battle of Yavin, and was used only by the New Republic. In universe there are several calendars, but non very commonly mentioned in books. Legends had the After Treaty of Coruscant calendar, from The Old Republic video game, and the Galactic ReSynch calendar, beginning three years before Phantom Menace. New canon has mentioned an After Founding of Empire calendar once so far.
Didn’t they have other ships like old Pelta-class Frigates (Cruisers?), Quasar Fire-class Cruiser Carriers, DP-20 Frigates, CR-70-class Corvettes, etc? Also Z-95 Headhunters, Fang Fighters and even old ARC-170’s were confirmed to be used by the Rebellion.
@@chrissonofpear3657 i agree the reason why i believe what i do is becuase the rebels where a very orginized force that had been around for close to a decade at the time of jakku seeing as space is very vast and they had so much support it would not suprise me that mc80s where made in the outer rim or in sullust when they liberated it
What about the Lucre Hulk, they had like half a dozen of those, in fact the rebels tried attacking the death star with one of them. They failed though.
I was under the impression, that the battle of endor was supposed to be a trap. So the empire hid the ships behind the moon and moved them all in secret. Then leaked the information about the 2nd death star to try and lure them to doom. Of course it didn't work out that way, but it was supposed to be a trap which is why the empire had such few ships in orbit. Hammer and anvil, death star and super star destroyer.
1:09 ok, even for stormtroopers, that’s bad, and how do those blasters have that much recoil? I know it’s a cartoon, I shouldn’t expect continuity, but looking at it realistically it takes way less energy to fire plasma then a bullet, should the recoil should be pretty negligible, same with if the blasters shot laser beams.
Blasters shoot plasma. That's why you get a bolt instead of a beam, and also why there is recoil and the target generally explodes messily rather than having a neat hole burned through it.
Which is why the idea of a tiny rebel fleet is stupid. The Empire didn't use them, so that's literally thousands upon thousands of derelict ships floating in space ripe for the pickings for rebel forces. And thats even accounting for pirates and independent groups gobbling them up.
Actually, it is relatively tiny in comparison to other factions. See finding ships is easy, it's finding the proper people to crew them that's the killer. Though I always wondered why the rebels never snatched up any derelict Venators. I did a little research and this is the Rebel fleet composition at it's minimal. 413 Warships 585 Transports 108 Starships 2,328 Starfighters These figures don't include the following rebel ships, Bulwark Mark III-class Battlecruisers, Dauntless class Heavy Cruisers, Liberator-class Cruisers, CC-9600 Heavy Frigates, CC-7700 Interdictor Frigates, Lancer class Frigates, Mansk Escort Freighters Aegis Combat Shuttles
A galaxy is a big assed place and makes finding a glass needle on the sea floor (...in one of the oceans somewhere...) look like child's play. So what McGuffin did they use to keep track off all these ships? It had to be a droid net that would easily out mass entire Imperial fleet and have FTL communications. Now they do have Holocom which is FTL, so that only leaves the detection method being used... Anything in canon?
Precisely because space is so big is why the rebels survived so long against the Empire. That's why the Emperor set the trap at Endor, so the rebel fleet could be gathered all in one spot. Otherwise the Empire had no chance of really ever finding them all.
100k ships really? I have heard that a crew of a SD is 500k k. That woukd somthing like 50 million people for just ships let alone the army. I know SW was never suppose to be real that was for Star Trek but sents you are i have to question your numbers.
What happened to the other thousands of ISDs? Did they all leave the galaxy with the first order and get scrapped for new designs? There were 25000 of them, and only a tiny fraction were lost at Endor and Jakku
Supposedly, two thirds or more were destroyed or captured in only a few months after Endor, vs both NR and rival Imperial leaders. Make of that what you will.
25000 was an estimate done by a fan group. Maybe it made it into canon awhile back, but it was originally fanon, so the justification of the number being correct in the first place is suspect.
Even if the Imperial fleet had 25,000 Ships (if it is canon or fanon) the Rebel Alliance has very good Fleet Commanders, like Admiral Raddus, and Gial Ackbar, which were discipline and very smart tactians. And the Rebels seem to have the better ships, and high quality ships to match up with the Empire's fleet. They had like dozens of Modified Ships, like (CR-90 and 70 Corvettes, which serves as a escort or fast role. And the nebulon B's which serves as Escorts too, and Mon calamari cruiser, serving either as BattleShips, Carriers, or Command Ships. like the Home One and the Profundity, all though they serve different Roles, they sure were more advance, like their advanced Targetting system, Shielding, and especially their Model or Bridge design, hiding their shield generators and bridges from being exposed more.) Besides with the High Quality and superiority the Rebels certainly won the battle of Endor and Jakku. These Rebels certainly know what the ISD's plans were, as explained in Star Wars Rebels, when Semo had plans for the Empire and latterly shared to the Spectres, making the Rebel alliance get these ships for fleets and soon modifying them.
I can’t find any info on this, but what did the rebels use as ambulances? The Old Republic used the LAAT gunship as ad hoc ambulances as can be seen during the clone wars series but I’ve no other information on this topic.
Great video as always Allen, I have to say you guys keep getting better and better with both the content and the editing, I'm proud to be Generation Tech! P.S. Love the United Flag Humanity First T-shirt, I'm going to have to get one in pink :)
Yeah, use some bombers against them and fighters against tie's. The only problem is, if they also have tartan patrol cruisers staying near their destroyers. At least the AI doesn't know how to properly use interdictors.
Pretty big retcon, but whatever. A little confused on how they could just magically suddenly be able to construct ships to replace losses, though. That's pretty vague. In old canon, Mon Calamari homeworld built their ships as luxury cruise liners, and when they turned openly rebellion, they repurposed them as warships, and kept a sizeable fleet at home to defend the shipyards. This does a far better job at explaining the expansion of the fleet after the Empire collapsed, as they could release more ships out into fleet actions from defense, and how the rebels would have been able to maintain them at all. A dozen cruisers playing hide and seek for even a few months against the Empire would be ragged hulks.
I'm trying to understand how the Fleet was organized, my brain just likes to know these things. Which ships fell under Ackbar's command, and which were Supply and Supports? Was the Starfighter Corps a division of the Navy similar to the Marines or more like the Air Force and completely their own thing.
Legends fleet is better more variety among ships used by rebellion and bigger more realistic numbers. Think about it your telling me the rebels fought in a big ass galaxy with only 200 ships???? The U.S. Navy in world war II had more ships at its disposal just to conquer the Pacific. Not counting the Atlantic, Disney numbers and cannon is crap.
Your number of the Rebel capital ship fleets is quite wrong. There are at least 40 MC80s under Admiral Ackbar's command before the death of the Emperor. And at least 15 of them have partaken in the battle of Endor. And there are also similar amounts of MC75s in the Canon, or all sorts of other capital ships in the Legends.
The Star War Rebel fleet makes no sense at all how insignificant they are. Star Wars is a full blow fantasy which when you really think about it would have meant the Empire would have one every time. Too bad would have rather have seen a rebuilt republic fighting the First Order (Nazi) and see some real to goodness logical reality of this universe. Oh well, its become even lamer, let's see how far the toilet Disney take it. I had such great hopes for the franchise.
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even with 2 dozen mc 80 there is no way the rebels could win at Endor against a deathstar and 1 ssd and 40 other star destroyer 1 and 2s plus all those tie fighters and the deathstar nukes like 6 mc80s
Would it be possible for you to make a video about what happened to all the old droids of the separatists? Always wondered why no one ever just reused them ? They built thousands of ships and likely millions of droids so where did it all go?
And in Legends the Rebels were even more organized and had a larger fleet. Mostly repurposed and modified Clone Wars tech. Rebel One, the modified Providence-class Carrier. The Lucrehulk (which they foolishly threw away at the Death Star.) And I'm positive they had claimed an old Venator or two.
They did, Kota's ship the Liberation is a Venator
Is that from Elite Squadron? Far from my favourite source.
When is the Independence and Defiance coming back?
The also had a bunch of modified dreadnaught class Heavy cruisers in legends. (Assault MK1 and MK2) As well as other Moncal ships (MC30 and MC40)
im fairly sure that its canon that many venators where kicking around on backwater planets if fallen order is anything to go by
@@BananaDispenser There were more ships than crew aviable
You forgot to mention that the a-wing is the most powerful star ship in the rebel fleet it can single handily take down a super star destroyer
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I’m very sorry to rain on your parade, but the a-wing was kinda the straw that broke the camels back, I guess you could say. Admiral Ackbar said “concentrate all fire on that super star destroyer” meaning it took quite a beating, and we can see one of its engines was shot. And not only that, the Death Star was big and the gravity pulled the ssd towards it.
Generation Tech please make a theory video about what if obi wan kenobi left the jedi order to be with Duchess Satine after his padawan mission to protect her.
I'm pretty sure he like her. Even though she was a cartoon in real life I'm sure she would have been beautiful.
This video has already been made
@@mrm1cros492 I suggested it he made it
Still angry about how Admrial Ackbar was basically killed off screne in the last jedi.
Correction : Two Skywalkers, a Solo, a Calrisian, AND an Antilles! I mean, none of the first three were involved in the fleet engagement, vitals as their contributions were.
Too bad Mon Mothma screwed them over and the Resistance has an even smaller fleet.
Yea she disarmed way to quickly the alliance had a pretty formidable fleet by the end of the war
The Galactic Civil War has been won and the first thing to do is a military disarmament? Now that’s just terrible decision, there’s still a lot of Star Destroyers out there, the galaxy has not even been fully converted to the New Republic, that’s just terrible planning on Mon Mothma’s part and terrible writing on Disney’s.
Especially since the New Republic was not doing anything to enforce the Galactic Concordance. They were *trusting* that the First Order would not violate treaty terms and build new capital ships. You can see why this background did not make it into the movies and you have to read books to learn about it. Kathleen Kennedy would have vetoed a female leader being so flagrantly stupid in the movies.
You would think Mon Mothma would have remembered how a similar situation happened with the Clone Wars. The Separatist had a massive army of battle droids built in secret the Republic at best had the Jedi who were reluctant to even become involved in the conflict at all, and security forces. Without the clone army they would have lost the war in less than a month.
Yeah which is why that was retarded.. for such a huge galaxy i can understand a reduction when peace finally came. But TOTAL disarmament was supremely stupid. Id not reduced it anymore then half of what it was at Jakku when they drove the last nail in the Empires coffin. Since when the fleet spread out after that across the galaxy it'd probably even out. Then have those not in such forces moth balled or inactive in reserve forces incase ever needed again. So say at the end of Last Jedi or when Death Star 3.0 wiped out the new government.. bring it all back from contingency plans for just such a thing. So at the end Leias forces jist had to hold out till massive reinforcements showed up from everywhere to either wipe the 1st Order off the galactic map or present them with such odds even WITH Snoakes uber dreadnaught they didnt stand a chance, knew it and had the choice of either fighting to the death or surrender.. figure top ranked government officials that also had extensive general experience and spent most the rebellion having to make such plans would do this here too
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For a galaxy the rebel fleet seems way to small. I always saw them as having alot more ships of a larger variety from old cis ships to even planet specific ships scattered around
That makes sense. The Return of the Jedi novelization specifically describes the fleet as stretching further then then eye can see, I think the big issue was how much making enough models for a realistic rebel fleet would have cost in the 1980s
@@roguerifter9724 yeah that’s true, I do wish their was more ships and ship variants in newer media
I think there were 200 capital ships for the rebellion
I don't think there's ever been a confirmed count for the Alliance fleet in canon. I think I read somewhere that the force at Endor in canon wasn't everything the Alliance had it was just a number of cells including the three largest cells and the forces directly controlled by Alliance high command I'm not sure where I read that though.
According to Wookieepedia Mon Monthma actually wasn't at Endor in canon. She took her ship from Sullust to safety so she could attempt to rally the Alliance's remaining forces if Ackbar's fleet failed.
why do so many people not see this?
If you mean why so little RUclips views well blame RUclips for its crap notification and algorithms. If you mean why we don't see the fleets blame JJ and Ruin for bad writing and directing.
Not see this as in not seeing the video, or not seeing the fleet itself?
Historically it only takes 3% of a population to topple a government. A realistic number would be 3%+ of the Imperial Fleet.
You should do a size video on the Resistance because they make the resistance seem like a tiny group which I get because they want to try and show you the desperation of the group but In a galaxy of hundreds of trillions of beings, if there’s only like 100 good guys then it just seems boring and dull
No that would suck
What about the new republic after endor?
Tens of thousands, likely.
What would have happened if holdo ordered the transports to return to the raddus when the first order shot on them
Then they would be the same situation as before with low fuel and the FO navy bearing down on them. Finn and Rose would have been executed by Phasma. Rey and Kylo would have still killed Snoke and his guard, but Rey would probably be trapped on the Supremacy without the Holdo's suicide run.
They all would've just died on the Raddus. The real question is what would've happened if Holdo had never informed Poe about the plan to use their stealth transports to evacuate, thus preventing the First Order from finding out about the plan.
Raving Nutter Nothing will change only that the ressistance would have a greater number of troops on crait
Except if the FO never learned about the transports they may never had known to even invade crait. And if they did, without Holdo's suicide charge, Rey and the crew wouldn't have had the distraction needed to escape preventing Rey from showing up to exac the survivors.
If they did. Then Holdo is an idiot that just made it easier to wipe them out putting all the transport eggs in one basket..
Please make a Yuzzhan Vong invades Earth video
Knowing Trump, we'd nuke the planet and say oops, followed by a ton of tweets about it
@@michaelgoodwin80 and knowing Twitter, they would claim the yuuzhan vong are racist and sexist for killing white cis men.
I remember reading something that said the rebels at their height fielded 7% of the Imperials star destroyers which is nearly 2,000 capital ships
I'm really hoping for a great space battle in Episode 9
Don't hold your breath, Plan IX will be pure crap with recycled footage from past SW movies. Jar Jar Abrams brings nothing original to the table.
Of course there would be. But the story would be so crap because of Ruin Johnson's ep viii aftershit.
Rawtheran this new trilogy has been quite disappointing with big Fleet ti Fleet battles. The prequels at least had (though cgi) great big nice looking space battles. The original trilogy also had good battles with the first battle of Yavin and the battle of Endor. And with Rogue one and Han Solo showing amazing CGI and nice space battles and fighter combat I really hope they can make a good fleet battle
@@maxbrandt6 dude the new Trilogy is the best Trilogy in the star wars series yet
@@mitchell3593 Rriiiiight….I think it's time to put the bath salts away either that or Disney is paying you to say that. The characters are so Goddamned dull, the ideas are recycled or mixed 'n matched, HUGE disrespect of Luke Skywalker and the audience (for that matter) and there is a complete lack of empathy for the characters or their situation and Ray is needlessly overpowered; Tico is an absolute idiot too. Plus burning books is an abominable, fascist thing to do, not the way of the Jedi! KK and pals ruined Star Wars.
It would be nice to read more books about maintaining a rebellion against the empire. Building ships and weapons, establishing farming communities and building its own economy.
It’s a trap
Yep in cannon you can build battleships within a few months and win with 20 capitol ships against 25 k ISDs...
Well after the battle of endor many systems helped the rebels in producing more capital ships and win the war.
The thing is that only a handfull of planets had shipyards capable of building capitol ships, and in Aftermath books it was stated that construction of those new ships began after New Republic was founded and even then it took some time to persuede idiotic Mon Mothma to build them.
The thing is that New Republic cannot be established with less then 20 capitol ships. At first, damage. Most of the ships would have been damaged in the battle of Endor and it would take time to repair them. Same goes for any fight. If a ship gets damaged, it will take a few months to repair them. You simply cannot destroy 15k ISDs in one year.
Maybe they have stole some imperial ships
Remember that the Empire nationalized capital ship construction because they didn't want individual planets to be able to build such ships for use against the Empire. The big shipyards like KDY were under very tight Imperial control, and frankly had a financial interest in supporting the big-spending Empire over a New Republic that wanted a smaller, demilitarized government. We only see the New Republic fleet for a second onscreen, but it appears to consist mainly of Mon Calamari ships. Amazing that a single supplier, who had been under occupation for years, could build a fleet of large capital ships so quickly once the Empire was in disarray.
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So the rebel alliance had 200-300 ships and the empire had no less than 100,000? Hard to believe the Empire was beaten and makes you wonder what happened to all those ships and their crews. Like possibly a few pockets of resistance from old imperial fleet wrecking havoc on the new republic.
I like legends version, when after Emperor Death empire fractures into many smaler factions, which also fight one againa one. And these were easier to destroy for new republic. Many loses to empire make empire
Yeah, MK1 Starhawk. Disney Canon is so boring, still no Image of this ship. I still prefere the Nebula-Class StarDestroyer from Legends.
Marco Gaska in about a year after your initial comment Fantasy Flight games will reveal the official design for the starhawk as it will be an expansion for their Star Wars Armada table top fleet battle game. The ship is due to release in the fourth quarter of 2019....probably November. The design is worth the wait.
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Great video the alliance fleet is awesome.
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Actually I've been discussing the fleet sizes between the Rebels and Imperials with a few guys. Based on major operations and smaller encounters, we estimated that, based on the more solid canon numbers of 25,000, that the Rebels had a fleet roughly a quarter of that in size.
This would also be noted in the original Return of the Jedi script, which stated the gathered Rebel Fleet went on beyond sight left and right of its center.
While, of course, not all of these combat ships, the Empire made a big deal about the Rebels' fleet. Our best guess is that what the Fleet lacked in power and numbers, being only capable of Attack and Fade techniques, we believe this translated into a Fleet in Being status.
And small forces of less than a hundredth the size of the Empire, would not get such a big status.
There was also indication the entire Rebel Fleet hadn't assembled for the Battle of Endor. Estimates are still mixed, but what made us consider this, was the possibility that the Rebels may have had more Petra-class Frigates in their fleet coupled with other ships that they could pick up here and there. Add in the Quasar Fire-class Light Carrier, it is likely the entire Rebel Fleet was just the Main Fleet and that smaller cells operated their own ships.
Losses mounting, you could say that the Battle of Hoth was one of a serious of disastrous battles and eventually, the Rebel Fleet gathered and made a bold move. Many veteran ships and crews would have been lost by this time.
Mon calamari ships always remind me of yuuzhan vong ships
Shouldn't that be reversed, since Mon Calamari ships appeared long before the Yuuzhan Vong were even an idea!
Yeah they both got that organic look
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How many did they have in Legends
At least a few hundred - with four fleets, and assuming about a hundred ships each. Could be more. Endor showed at least 100 ships, though not all in frame at once.
The original Battle of Endor in the movie didn't have more than 50 ships total in both fleets (excluding fighters). As it was only supposed to be Vaders little fleet and what few ships the rebels had cobbled together. When they digitally cleaned up the movies in the re-release, they drew dozens of ships in and made it an "epic space battle".
Phoenix one a fuck ton more
3:42 the Mon Cala escaped with 12 cruisers. Escaped, as in flew away from their planet, and obviously their own shipyards.
4:08 'several cruisers were lost' in Vadars ambush
4:10 'by the battle of Endor', which meant Scarif had already happened, -1 cruiser lost in that battle.
4:37 the fleet had between 12 and 'over two dozen' MC's. Yet they started with 12 cruisers, lost 'some' in the ambush and one at Scarif. They had two death starred at Endor, and probably lost at least one more to laser fire. Their home planet, and their yards, were under Imperial control.
So *where* were the rebels getting these extra cruisers from? You cant just knock up a cruiser in a factory like you can a fighter, you would need shipyards. Surely the Imperials could easily detect if the Rebels were knocking up a shipyard?
Mon Calamari slowly built more.
So, Raddus's first wave of 3 cruisers and many smaller ships broke the blockade. They went to the alliance shipyard(yes,rebels do have shipyards) Soon, many other ships such as Ackbar's flagship, joined them
i also believe cec was liberated and help build mc80s if memory serves correctly
the rebels also had access to other ships like the dreadnought from the pre clone wars era they were few but could hold their own and also many corellian ships that had been hijacked or stolen from the empire plus it was also rumored they may of had at least 4 corellian battle crusirers that were used during on battle to save a world from the empire this group of ships then stayed at that planet to protect it
hmm 2 skywalkers and a solo
thought he was solo it turned into a young trio
can someone explain star wars years to me?
im always hearing 1080BBy and 8089BBy ... is BBy like 1980's? like would revenge of the sith be like 1940 in our world? and force awakens is like 2015 in our language or something lol
BBY means Before Battle of Yavin, and was used only by the New Republic. In universe there are several calendars, but non very commonly mentioned in books. Legends had the After Treaty of Coruscant calendar, from The Old Republic video game, and the Galactic ReSynch calendar, beginning three years before Phantom Menace. New canon has mentioned an After Founding of Empire calendar once so far.
Bby means before the battle of Yavin which was the ending of a new hope and aby was after the battle of Yavin so that is anything after a new hope
Didn’t they have other ships like old Pelta-class Frigates (Cruisers?), Quasar Fire-class Cruiser Carriers, DP-20 Frigates, CR-70-class Corvettes, etc? Also Z-95 Headhunters, Fang Fighters and even old ARC-170’s were confirmed to be used by the Rebellion.
Black Knight Praetor16 in legends they used an assload of other stuff from Lucerhulks to CC9600frigates to Dauntless class heavy cruisers
The rebel fleet realisticaly prolly would have had at least 1 to 2 hundered mon cal cruisers and 10000s of frigate and corvettes
That's at the high end of my estimates. Low end is 60 Mon Cal ships and over 400 other ships, maybe hundreds of transports.
@@chrissonofpear3657 i agree the reason why i believe what i do is becuase the rebels where a very orginized force that had been around for close to a decade at the time of jakku seeing as space is very vast and they had so much support it would not suprise me that mc80s where made in the outer rim or in sullust when they liberated it
What about the Lucre Hulk, they had like half a dozen of those, in fact the rebels tried attacking the death star with one of them. They failed though.
Oof
I was under the impression, that the battle of endor was supposed to be a trap. So the empire hid the ships behind the moon and moved them all in secret. Then leaked the information about the 2nd death star to try and lure them to doom. Of course it didn't work out that way, but it was supposed to be a trap which is why the empire had such few ships in orbit. Hammer and anvil, death star and super star destroyer.
I was hoping this would be legends...
1:09 ok, even for stormtroopers, that’s bad, and how do those blasters have that much recoil? I know it’s a cartoon, I shouldn’t expect continuity, but looking at it realistically it takes way less energy to fire plasma then a bullet, should the recoil should be pretty negligible, same with if the blasters shot laser beams.
Blasters shoot plasma. That's why you get a bolt instead of a beam, and also why there is recoil and the target generally explodes messily rather than having a neat hole burned through it.
He never mention any clone wars vessel that rebels got there hands on, also what about kotas militia?
wow… that scene with the ssd crashing in the endor battle looked quite good… did someone change it?
Curious on why the rebels never “acquired” any venators?
Do the CIS next their fleet was at least 400,000 strong at least. Since they had at least 100 fleets and each fleet had 4,000 vessels
Which is why the idea of a tiny rebel fleet is stupid. The Empire didn't use them, so that's literally thousands upon thousands of derelict ships floating in space ripe for the pickings for rebel forces. And thats even accounting for pirates and independent groups gobbling them up.
Actually, it is relatively tiny in comparison to other factions. See finding ships is easy, it's finding the proper people to crew them that's the killer. Though I always wondered why the rebels never snatched up any derelict Venators. I did a little research and this is the Rebel fleet composition at it's minimal.
413 Warships
585 Transports
108 Starships
2,328 Starfighters
These figures don't include the following rebel ships,
Bulwark Mark III-class Battlecruisers,
Dauntless class Heavy Cruisers,
Liberator-class Cruisers,
CC-9600 Heavy Frigates,
CC-7700 Interdictor Frigates,
Lancer class Frigates,
Mansk Escort Freighters
Aegis Combat Shuttles
The most recent comics introduce the Mon Cala fleet
A galaxy is a big assed place and makes finding a glass needle on the sea floor (...in one of the oceans somewhere...) look like child's play. So what McGuffin did they use to keep track off all these ships? It had to be a droid net that would easily out mass entire Imperial fleet and have FTL communications. Now they do have Holocom which is FTL, so that only leaves the detection method being used... Anything in canon?
Precisely because space is so big is why the rebels survived so long against the Empire. That's why the Emperor set the trap at Endor, so the rebel fleet could be gathered all in one spot. Otherwise the Empire had no chance of really ever finding them all.
The only way would have been to track where they got thier supplies from, as they did not set up independent production.
Now, after the First Order has done them over, all they have is the Millenium Falcon.
Only way is up, eh?
MrBigGrim then lando just poops out a large fleet for them to use in the final battle lmao
my guss is at least 75,000 capital ships at minimum with turbo lasters
100k ships really? I have heard that a crew of a SD is 500k k. That woukd somthing like 50 million people for just ships let alone the army.
I know SW was never suppose to be real that was for Star Trek but sents you are i have to question your numbers.
What happened to the other thousands of ISDs? Did they all leave the galaxy with the first order and get scrapped for new designs? There were 25000 of them, and only a tiny fraction were lost at Endor and Jakku
Nick this is why disney's cannon is shit
Supposedly, two thirds or more were destroyed or captured in only a few months after Endor, vs both NR and rival Imperial leaders. Make of that what you will.
25000 was an estimate done by a fan group. Maybe it made it into canon awhile back, but it was originally fanon, so the justification of the number being correct in the first place is suspect.
Even if the Imperial fleet had 25,000 Ships (if it is canon or fanon) the Rebel Alliance has very good Fleet Commanders, like Admiral Raddus, and Gial Ackbar, which were discipline and very smart tactians. And the Rebels seem to have the better ships, and high quality ships to match up with the Empire's fleet. They had like dozens of Modified Ships, like (CR-90 and 70 Corvettes, which serves as a escort or fast role. And the nebulon B's which serves as Escorts too, and Mon calamari cruiser, serving either as BattleShips, Carriers, or Command Ships. like the Home One and the Profundity, all though they serve different Roles, they sure were more advance, like their advanced Targetting system, Shielding, and especially their Model or Bridge design, hiding their shield generators and bridges from being exposed more.) Besides with the High Quality and superiority the Rebels certainly won the battle of Endor and Jakku. These Rebels certainly know what the ISD's plans were, as explained in Star Wars Rebels, when Semo had plans for the Empire and latterly shared to the Spectres, making the Rebel alliance get these ships for fleets and soon modifying them.
0:08 thats what she said LOL
I can’t find any info on this, but what did the rebels use as ambulances? The Old Republic used the LAAT gunship as ad hoc ambulances as can be seen during the clone wars series but I’ve no other information on this topic.
Great video as always Allen, I have to say you guys keep getting better and better with both the content and the editing, I'm proud to be Generation Tech!
P.S. Love the United Flag Humanity First T-shirt, I'm going to have to get one in pink :)
My question is why is it still a Rebellion after the death of Vader and the Emperor??
In empire at war I made a fleet of 83 corvettes
Don't those get blown to pieces in seconds if the empire has just a few numbers of victory class cruisers?
Patrick Star I went against a star destroyer I beat but 76 corvettes were destroyed rip meh fleet
Yeah, use some bombers against them and fighters against tie's. The only problem is, if they also have tartan patrol cruisers staying near their destroyers. At least the AI doesn't know how to properly use interdictors.
3:22 This scene looks insanely awesome. I want to see that in a movie Disney
How big is Allen's baldness?
Jk ily and the content
Why can't every thing just be Canon not legeonds?
Do artillery only
I'm surprised there's no official image of a Starhawk. Maybe there will be one in episode IX
Attila The Hun i imagine it as a hybrid of the keldable (but wingless) and an NSD
Actually that's along the lines of how I pictured it.
Or a Nebulon B crossed with a sideways ISD...
one of the few times where i want both legends then disney timelines.
Deep down it’s just a war to see had the best ships and vehicles from the company who made them
Pretty big retcon, but whatever. A little confused on how they could just magically suddenly be able to construct ships to replace losses, though. That's pretty vague. In old canon, Mon Calamari homeworld built their ships as luxury cruise liners, and when they turned openly rebellion, they repurposed them as warships, and kept a sizeable fleet at home to defend the shipyards. This does a far better job at explaining the expansion of the fleet after the Empire collapsed, as they could release more ships out into fleet actions from defense, and how the rebels would have been able to maintain them at all. A dozen cruisers playing hide and seek for even a few months against the Empire would be ragged hulks.
So from 1ABY-2ABY 12MC80 24Light Cruisers 24Medical Frigates 48EF76 96Gunships 96Medical Corvettes 192CR90s 192Medium/Bulk Transports 384 Light Freighters 864 SF.
Anyone still irked we don't have official artwork for the Starhawk?
I wonder how many clone wars ships they had
I'm trying to understand how the Fleet was organized, my brain just likes to know these things. Which ships fell under Ackbar's command, and which were Supply and Supports? Was the Starfighter Corps a division of the Navy similar to the Marines or more like the Air Force and completely their own thing.
A few days? Wrong it was more like 3 months after escaping that Vader's fleet arrived at Mako Toa
I thought it said feet instead of fleet and I thought, wow they are running out of ideas
Legends fleet is better more variety among ships used by rebellion and bigger more realistic numbers. Think about it your telling me the rebels fought in a big ass galaxy with only 200 ships???? The U.S. Navy in world war II had more ships at its disposal just to conquer the Pacific. Not counting the Atlantic, Disney numbers and cannon is crap.
Sorry, but to me, Admiral Ackbar will always be the designer of the B-Wing....I don't care what Disney canon says.
Your number of the Rebel capital ship fleets is quite wrong. There are at least 40 MC80s under Admiral Ackbar's command before the death of the Emperor. And at least 15 of them have partaken in the battle of Endor. And there are also similar amounts of MC75s in the Canon, or all sorts of other capital ships in the Legends.
How big do you think the old Republic and Separatist fleets were during the Clone War?
What if thrawn joined the rebellion.
The Star War Rebel fleet makes no sense at all how insignificant they are. Star Wars is a full blow fantasy which when you really think about it would have meant the Empire would have one every time. Too bad would have rather have seen a rebuilt republic fighting the First Order (Nazi) and see some real to goodness logical reality of this universe. Oh well, its become even lamer, let's see how far the toilet Disney take it. I had such great hopes for the franchise.
*Literally any Ship* : *Is shunned by the Empire*
*Rebels* : _Hippity-Hoppity, these ships are now our property_
Video suggestion: What if, instead of Alderaan, Tarkin had demonstrated the Death Star mark 1 on Calamar ?
Thought of this while having calamari for dinner tonight
#HummanityFirst
they are the Eatees, we are the Eaters.
I think at the peak of the rebel alliance there were 100 mon calamari cruiser, a few hundred nebulous-b’s, and a thousand corvettes
even with 2 dozen mc 80 there is no way the rebels could win at Endor against a deathstar and 1 ssd and 40 other star destroyer 1 and 2s plus all those tie fighters and the deathstar nukes like 6 mc80s
Allen do you prefer star wars cannon lore or star wars legends?
Man why are all da factions act so stupid with their ships all of then do itt
Would it be possible for you to make a video about what happened to all the old droids of the separatists? Always wondered why no one ever just reused them ? They built thousands of ships and likely millions of droids so where did it all go?
What if the unknown regions was earth of the Ezra and thrawn had been rescue by James t Kirk?
I thought you would cover the CIS ships in rebel service...
I love how you say no ship that can handle a ISD with footage of a ISD that is about to be take out by those same fighters you are talking about.
*Size of the Republic fleet please.*
I say anyone who hate TLJ vote the pottention of eraseing TLJ in chage.org and remake the last jedi.com and spread it to anyone
Now how about the CIS fleet and the republic fleet?
Where are the scenes of the cr90 corvettes from?? I don't recognize that source
Wow capital ship shields suck if they are wrecked by tiny fighters.
It’s mostly the Concussion Missiles and Proton Torpedoes that do damage to the ISD’s anything else won’t really work unless it’s shields are down.
Allen you should play empire at war you would like it!
Tie fighters in a nutshell:
Made in Coruscant
TIE fighters in a nutshell:
Weaker than a nutshell with Triscut wings.
I fell like he is alien and is trying direct human first against dolphins
Please make a video about the size of the Imperial manhood
where is the clip @6.35 from?