Customer Cheated and used Tarn-X on His Jones Plugs : ) Bally Freedom Pinball Repair #2
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Ron, you're a pinball machine magician! You can work your magic like no one else. Thanks again for making my Freedom machine 100%!! It plays awesome!
Thank you man I'm glad you're enjoying it!
In the flashing lamps I think the flat strip in the middle is the bimetallic strip so it gets heated directly by the filament.
Thank you Big Clive I think you're right :)
That's what I was thinking also. Like the old-school flashing Christmas lights
@@Sizzorfite I remember these lights also, these bulbs died like flies even when slightly underdriven._
@@DjResR could it be because the (hot) filament is moved a little bit by the bimetallic strip with every blink cycle?
@@jk9554 Probably yes._
This old EM stuff looks like such a pain. I do love watching it. Thanks!
We're repairing it after 40 years, you don't have to do this all the time on these, we're just doing it's once every 40 years preventative maintenance :)
Being a long-time audio repair tech, here's a tip: most of the swotch contacts, relay contacts and the male Jones plugs can be cleaned with a pencil eraser (ink erasers are slightly more abrasive and work best). Draftsman's erasers, like Stadler, Faber etc, work extremely well for this. Theyll remove oxides without scoring, scratching or removing metal. You can shave the tip with a razor blade into a thin wedge to fit between the contacts. A powered eraser with eraser rods is often helpful too.
Thank you Good 'un!
In my experience relay and contactor contacts have grime too tough to be cleaned this way from arcing.
Ok, you may pronounce sodder kinda wrong to my English ear, but your vids are so entertaining and are my go-to evening relaxing watch. Must have caught most of your back catalogue now, in the last 6 months or so.
Caught myself twice recently, alone in the workshop, working on a Rock-Ola 451 and a Ten Spot saying 'C'mon people' out loud, to myself when finding previous bodges. Highest form of compliment I know!. Thanks for each and every one.. fascinating seeing your work process.
Going back to your Asteroids vids as there's one here that has me beat (for now). Keep up the great work! Big love from Bristol UK.
Your genuine love and respect for em pinball machines is why I watch. I have had a love affair with pinball since 1962. In particular, Gottleeeeb woodrail and wedgeheads single player games.... Hoping you will do some of these soon.
Unfortunately I don't get too many Gottlieb's in, I was just thinking about that earlier, I don't know why that is. It could be A. they didn't make as many of them (I don't think that's it) or B. They still all work so nobody sells them or has me fix them (I wouldn't think that's it) or C. they're more desirable to collectors, so the collectors have already bought them all up around here (that may be it)
I'm sure I'll get more in but I don't have any in the queue , I do own a few that are complete basket cases that will come in eventually. I have a rusted up old "Grand Slam" that they repainted the entire playfield with chalk paint on (I THINK it will come off.....).... and I may have another one or two somewhere. I really like the Gottlieb's too, I like all of theirs even the System 80 and System 1, System 3 stuff. Love it.
@@LyonsArcade up
I can say that whenever I’ve completely done a Gottlieb woody or wedge head, they have never given me an once of trouble. They are 100 per cent reliable, and are indestructible with normal care. Pinball is a result of 2 opposing forces: on one hand the companies needed them to be cheap cheap cheap …. on the other hand they were designed to never break down. a broken pinball makes no money, so the makers tried very hard to make them go forever. That’s why so many have survived all these years, often with no help or servicing. They remain one of the marvels of the 20th century. Power to you, Ronnie.
Your videos are always both entertaining and informative. I'm a video game and pinball fan and I learn so much from you.
Thank you Seth I'm glad you enjoy them, i'll keep making them!
For 12v and 5/6v bulbs you could rebuild a circuit to replace it using something similar to an automotive flasher/blinker circuit. It would be fairly easy to replicate something digitally as well that would blink a standard bulb. You can tune the circuit to mimic the bulb type that you are trying to replace and could even build a master board that drives several of them at different blink intervals that you control via variable resistor. There are schematics online that can be used/modified for the purpose. As these bulbs get harder to find it may be a good option =)
That same circuit could be adapted to actuate those relays/solenoids on a blink basis =)
the 6V bulb is in series with the coil though, so it won't get all of that 53V. depending on the coil's current it could only see a few volts. I really like the idea of using a flashing bulb as a timer. they were thinking out of the box on that one. the middle blade on the bulb that the filament is attached to is a bimetallic strip, and the filament is directly welded to it, so it will conduct the heat to the strip and make it bend. It works like an oldschool thermostat. They used to be super common on christmas light sets, but apparently not any more with the advent of electronics.
Yeah I didn't think about the christmas tree bulbs, same concept....
After all the research, design and engineering, these were supposed to be thrown away in 5 years. Nobody knew we would be collecting and resurrecting them 40 or 50 years later
Yup it's really a testament to their quality and the love people have shown these games over the years that they've protected them and kept them working this long. Pretty amazing!
@6:35 - So what we have is a latching relay on an electroluminescent timed delay. Like a blinker timer in a '74 Plymouth.
I've got a 66 Plymouth mine had the little can to run the blinkers....
Nice video. These old EM machines are always pain in the ass. Keep up your good work.
They're pretty reliable once you get 'em going again, they only need this thorough of a service done every once in a blue moon! Thanks for watching Petri!
Every time I see you working on one of these EMs all I can think is that the future is in the past. Digital goes bad, not just anyone can fix it with the tools a normal person usually keeps. Electric Mechanical though, everything is visible and repairable. Patience, above all other traits, would win the day. I feel the same way when my neighbor drives by in his '68 Dodge pickup; no digital in that old beast and he says he wouldn't have it any other way. Everyone's given up reliability for convenience, and I believe they're going to regret it. Sorry about that; didn't mean to rant. Anyway. Have a wonderful day and a better tomorrow.
Believe me Joe I agree with you 100% I drive an 83 Chevy Silverado as my daily driver :) Thanks for watching as always!
Great Video Ron. Just love watching them and learn someting everytime.
Thank you Simon we appreciate having you hang out with us :)
I remember using an oil that smelled like banannas lol. But all the machines we had were newer. Embryon was my favorite. It talked a lot. In the eighties that just blew my mind lol
Sounds like Triflow...used to be called Triflon back when it was developed. Went to school with a guy who's dad helped develop it.
Embryon is a great game! Thanks for watching John
Yeah, that's a blinker bulb. So it has an internal thermostat and acts as a thermal-based oscillator. But that is neat, being able to use a blinker bulb as a low-frequency oscillator.
And a buzzer is a magnetic-based oscillator. So you can connect a relay coil through the N.C. contacts, and if you want to slow the buzzing that creates, one could put an electrolytic across the coil.
Bar Keeper's Friend is another polish. It comes in a can much like scouring powder, but rather than containing the usual mixture of chlorine and grit, it uses oxalic acid. And for copper, stainless steel, and maybe aluminum, and a couple more metals, it does a pretty good job removing tarnish.
Another use for bimetallic strips is in light-based relays. What those do is connect the photocell to a tiny coil that heats a bimetallic strip. So the light keeps the coil heated to keep the lights turned off. This approach also adds up to a 30-second delay or so due to the latency of the heat (working much like a capacitor). That has an advantage where falling leaves or something won't cause automatic lights to flicker or blink.
I LOVE pinball! I really wish I could afford one of them pinball machines, playing pinball on my computer is great but the experience isn't the same.
Unfortunately they do get expensive! Thank you for watching ?????? !
Great game Iplayed in my dads store back in the 70's
I just got an em machine. Watching your videos is getting me ready to get mine up and running! Keep up the great work!
Very cool Level Means-Flat good luck with your machine, I have no doubt you'll get it up and running!
@@LyonsArcade thanks. After I get it up and running. I'm going to convert it to another machine. Making plastics. Repainting new art on playfield. Repaint cabinet. It will be a project...taking a gottlieb '65 flipper pool. And turning it into a sailor jerry pinball(midwest pinball made for sailor jerry co.)! Only 3 were made of this style! Since I do tattoos and repair pinballs. I figured this would be right up my alley. I also made a 3d virtual pinball that plays 3000 tables.
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Enjoy
@@levelmeans-flat734 You could be doing custom backglass, though you probably don't do much ink art in reverse. Best wishes with the EM.
@@gorillaau I actually bought a backglass original. And thats what pushed me to make it. Never knew about machine until I bought a backglass. No to make the entire pinball. I've repainted playfields also.
@@levelmeans-flat734 Sweet. Have fun with you "new" hobby.
27:13 I thought at first it was the female parts cleaner, not the bore cleaner that would kick you off. 🤣
You're allowed to advertise for those :)
Pretty magnificent electro-mechanical computers.
Yup, they're pretty amazing really!
According to IPDB they made two versions of the backglass, the early one has 1776 and 1976 on it, the later one did not. They did it on the premise the dates would depreciate the game.
I heard about that but I've never seen the other version....
There is a company that makes a book scanner that will scan and OCR all of those manuals and schematics. Curious Marc did a review of the older machine as well as a newer model. He use them for everything from old HP documentation to NASA level documentation. Having them in a digital archive would be supreme!
Most of them are available at www.IPDB.org
I love watching it. :)
Thank you Fadi we love having you watch with us :)
l Love the Bally stuff .of That .Em time frame most the Same.. Cool ..
I never thought of using a blinker bulb as a bimetal timer
These folks were geniuses
Relay logic timers are interesting. In old relay elevator controllers they sometimes use selenium rectifiers (to make dc) and capacitors in series with the relay coil so when the cap is charged enough the coil lets go. And those caps pack a punch if they bite you before the controller discharges them, lols. I dont mess with elevators but I have three relay controllers, for fun.
I never had the opportunity to mess around with elevators but I can see where the mechanisms to run them to the different floors, open the doors, etc. would be really interesting!
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This is one of the more interesting controllers. Much larger relays then the controllers I saved from going to the scrap yard. The ones I have use about 125 relays per car for 8 floors, almost all are identical 3 pull double throw. They call it an ice cube tray. It has one 8 'bit' register for the car calls and two 7 'bit' registers for the up and down calls. Some doubled-up relays (coils connected in parallel). Positioning was done with a car-top selector 'follower' driven by small cables in the shaft. I got a good look the controller while it was still in service, 30 years and going strong... except not for the hydraulic pumps. The pistons did leak and the pumps would starve and destroy themselves. I think I heard 8 floor hydraulic elevators are not common for a reason.
It's a blinker bulb!
IIRC it was the grub screw was stripped on the other machine.
It Blinks!
The bain of many Grandpa's hanging Christmas tree lights trying to find the bad bulb in the string.
Never though about using TarN X gonna have to give it a try
I'm gonna try some too apparently this is the result :)
@@LyonsArcade Yeah thats a game changer there if it works that well!
Great content as always Ron. Also thanks to you and your bros for the signed t-shirt. I love it buddy.
Did you get a signed push stick from Donnie?
@@naytch2003 No...unfortunately. I would have loved one of those also. I am a big woodworker also.
@@JesterTester email Ronnie at their shop(Joe's Classic Video games) its online somewhere and ask him:-)
@@naytch2003 Thank you so much for the information my friend.👊
@@JesterTester No sweat 🙂
Another awesome video Ronnie.. anybody who thinks otherwise is the shits as ole Anderson says lol extra thumbs up for ya 👍
@naytch2003 Any reference to Ole Anderson deserves a thumbs up Wooooooooooooo!
@@rangercv4263 limousine riding..jet flying..kiss stealing..wheeling dealing son of a gun..and I'm having a hard time..holding these alligators down 🕺
When I moved into the house I live in, wayyyy back in the day, a guy came by to welcome us to the neighborhood while we were moving in. That kind of stuff doesn't happen much anymore, but this was in the 90's. Anyways, the guy was standing in the living room while stuff was moving in and out and he was talking wrestling, he mentioned he was Ole Anderson, you know, Arn's brother, boy don't you watch wrestling? I told him I did but I never watched the Four Horsemen (I was young and we'd just moved to Charlotte back then). I had Ole standing in my living room, LOL I'll have to tell that story in a video some day.
@@LyonsArcade I’d love to hear your Ole story in a video. I have never had the pleasure of meeting any pro wrestler especially the grouchy old man of wrestling Ole in the flesh even though I have been a fan since childhood. I must say Ole in my book was one of the best promo guys and talkers in the biz along with the Nature Boy Ric Flair and a select few others such as the manager Jimmy Cornette.
@@rangercv4263 oooh yeahhhh dig itttt
Over here in the UK we have a well known polish called 'Braso' .....cheers.
We have that over here too, old school stuff :)
Good morning Joe.
Good morning Windios!
Man them 455 bulbs are getting pricey, if you can find them.
It's a real issue!
ok i admit it, I'm addicted to watching your videos
I guess admitting to it is half the battle
Well you're learning hopefully or at least enjoying it so there's nothing wrong with it :)
@@LyonsArcade back in my days, we looked forward to seeing the new Radio Shack catalog to see what new parts we could order :)
put a filter on the fan in back to keep the Inside cleaner
There's no fan in it! Thanks for watching Michael!
Cheers.
Cheers Laurie!
remember seeing this machine next to a Gottlieb Spirit of '76
I'd like to get one of those suckers in!
almost forgot Liberty Bell
I can kind of pinpoint when it happened..
It literally was the first rebuild of f 14 tomcat Pinball machine then the algorithm went weird or rogue..
And I've been a fan of your channel for a long time..
First videos was the rebuild of rapid fire and dungeons & dragons pinball machine..
And then nightmare on elm Street pinball machine restore..
RUclips algorithm's going weird and rogue.
I remember you've been watching for many years....
thats a lotta switches!
There's a few :)
Prob already mentioned, but the second stepper has several contacts wired up that the spider never reaches, I think they look used. I don't think those would be meant to never be used, is the advancer broken so it can't go past 4 steps?
So the bulb is using a heat sensitive metal piece to act as a temperature delay switch? Is this a bimetallic strip like you see in old blinker "relays" or is it some other material?
Yes I believe it's the same type of design... thank you for watching Sven!
(I don't know anything, this is coming from a novice trying to understand.) That spider stepper puzzles me. Four of the blades remain in contact with the same traces no matter what step the device is on. If those four connections (whatever they do) are always on, why connect them through the spider at all? Why aren't they just hard wired?
Those four blades are connected (on some they're not all connected together though) but the whole purpose of it is, when you turn it, it's now connected to something else. The traces don't go all the way around, some of them change every step. So think of it like say, a plus sign on the board. When the spider is connecting those four spots together, you're sending power to the 1st players score reels....
Then it turns one spot, and now the plus sign is touching four different spots, that have different wires going to them. So now the power is connecting to the 2nd players score reels.
So it's different on every stepper, but you may have 1 of the spider legs always touching the same trace, it goes around the whole board in a circle. that might be ground. Then the other three legs (or 8 legs, however many there are) touch other spots that are now connected to ground, through that one leg that's always on ground. When it turns, the ground is now connected to other wires because of how the stepper unit is wired up.
Thanks for watching TreadwellJay!
That Lock relay is changed to black one at some point or is it just burnt? 🤔
Love these old pinball machines!
If I had to guess, I would say he used a product called Nevr-Dull on it. It's non abrasive and can put a mirror finish on most things.
The bulb is in series with the solenoid for it to work as described so the voltage is divided between the coil and bulb so wrong bulb could as well work 100s of hours._
Ahhh, that explains it then. Thank you DjResR that makes sense.
Doesn' KY Jelly work on the John Holmes plugs?
*crickets*
Not many of us would know, lol
I think they used Brasso brass polish🤣
Possibly :)
12:35 "The O button. I don't even know what that is!" Yeah, says a man ;) I bet all the women watching know exactly what an O-button is.
When find it just keep pushing it till it resets😂😂
Good husbands know too. ;)
hahahaha Maybe if I keep looking i'll find it :)
@@johnstone214 lol EXACTLY!! lol
You really need to be careful with contact cleaner on older gear. I was cleaning some contacts on an OLD OLD OLD Harmen receiver, and the speaker outputs literally shattered when the cleaner hit it. I replaced the speaker output blocks, and ran a test. Of the 4 different contact cleaners I have, 3 of them damaged the old plastic, and one discolored it. I don't experience that with 'newer' gear so it must be something in those old units. Live and learn. :)
Yeah I'm very leery of any kind of spray to be honest...
@@LyonsArcade Especially on the old gear. New stuff it doesn't seem to phase, but you get into that 1970s equipment and it just isn't worth it. Learned my lesson. :) At least I could still get speaker output blocks of that size. :)
I've seen some brands of old audio and radio electronics which have potentiometers that can't be cleaned by spraying with any known control cleaner ---- the pots simply freeze up. If they're really bad you have to take them apart and polish the tracks and commutators; otherwise, just exercise the pots back and forth 50+ times and hope they clean up somewhat. By the way I have seen cans of electronic contact cleaner that on one secrion of the label, the can will say will say "cleans and lubricates" but elsewhere on the can it'll say " leaves no residue".
Every time you start your video with "Ladies and gentlemen", I hear AvE's voice
I always loved the circus when I was a kid, but I purposefully stole that Ladies and Gentleman bit from Paul Heyman. Thanks for watching Rx7man!
@@LyonsArcade I don't know how youtube's algorithm got me here, but I do love both the EM and electronic machines, both amazing in their own ways.. Your channel and what you do would be a great way to show how right to repair, schematics, etc are important even for new electronics
Cool
Give me a few ideas
Very cool Ghillie!
Bore brushes to clean the pew pew pew spitter. :) There fixed it for you...
Thank you WreckDiver99
I call them "Cordless hole punches"
Are they brass? Or nylon bristle, like paint-gun nozzle-cleaning brushes.
I read somewhere that the Gottlieb machines had a better Jones plug than the Balley Machines but I don't why.. Ronnie? 🙄🙄
I haven't worked on a Gottlieb in a long time but that may be true. The next one I get in i'll have to talk about it in a video! Thanks for watching Thorn....
What is that standard wall socket used for inside the cabinet? Right by the 8A fuse (around 28:30).
It's used to plug in a soldering iron, or a light, etc. a service power socket. Just don't plug in the vacuum cleaner there :)
@@LyonsArcade I feel like there's a story behind that. ;)
And maybe the pinball machine space Odyssey..
Yeah ground control to Major Tom definitely in your comment section..
To prove a point.
Because David Bowie just rocks.
As well as Grand Prix pinball machine.
Not trying to be weird or anything but the algorithm for RUclips..
Have gone completely insane..
I have a Grand Prix i'm working on right now! More videos soon :)
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75 switches?? Hey rookie! Get over here, i need these cleaned before you go home and do it the way I showed you.. ill be back in the morning.
Quick question..
What happened to Pole position?
A guy bought it! You didn't see where we played it?
No.
was there a video?
I got whiplash..
They're definitely was a rhythm to your videos..
I never got notifications.
I definitely have to go under your archive.
To see the end result..
Except for RUclips doing what it does..
Is it on my end or your end on the videos streams.
I am definitely a subscribe subscriber.. and there's definitely some hiccups going on..
I was looking forward to your finishing on Pole position and making it work. End result. But.
And now suddenly freedom pinball machine.
There's definitely a weird conspiracy happening.. your videos isn't being consistent more like jump cuts..
And suddenly we're doing this now.
I don't know what's happening on your end but on my end..
What's happening with Pole position. Did it fixed completely?
It's so weird.. is the algorithm fucking with me or your channel..
Do I need to go back into archive?
In order to watch the progression on Pole position?
If I have to I will. No prob.
I mean I understand on videos on soldering stuff..
You say it's boring but me it's informative but...
There's definitely something weird happening.
What happened to missing timeline on Pole position)
Me personally I'll blame the Illuminati or Mandela effect..
But did you accomplish fixing that arcade game?
Is there a difference between Pole position and pole position 2 hardware?
Is it just as complicated..
Is it me or is everyone else experiencing this.. weird scenario.
Lol, you put a 6V bulb into a 53v circuit, and it will insta-pop the filament. It'll go "b" dead. You won't even get the "zzzzzzzzzz"s in the buzz. But it sure is entertaining to watch a tech trying to figure it out why that bulb keeps popping.
You might want to rewatch the video it's designed that way Yu Wish, the bulb didn't blow
@@LyonsArcade a 6v bulb in series with another load will no blow. 53v supply with a 6v relay is 47v across the coil. Ohms law is applicable. However, If the 6v bulb was in parallel, then he, that would have blown the bulb, possibly violently.
Sorry, this was more aimed at Yu Wish.
The link doesn’t work just sends you to Amazon home page.
I think it's supposed to go to the home page but it tells amazon who sent you. Then he gets a referral bonus
Look up in the address bar and see if it has LyonsArcade written somewhere up there, basically everything you buy they now track back to us because we sent you there for that session.
Some pinball games have 3 home positions and others have 1 home position. I'm very confused how a pinball game score motor that has 3 home positions can RESET all the Reset relays when it has 3 home positions. I can logically understand score motors having 1 home position because the score motor has a Reset relay and has to make all the other Reset relays on the bonus unit, wheel unit, ball unit, score reel units, all Reset relays have to be OPEN to be at HOME position. The Score motor that has 3 home positions is more confusing to me, which I'm not sure how this logically can work unless it has "3 Reset relays on the score motor" at each home position point on the score motor?
So the score motor spins around and between each home position, it has certain bumps on the cams that make things happen. some spin around faster than others, so if it has 1 2 or 3 home positions it doesn't really matter, it just means that it makes the counting or the action happen faster or slower depending on how it's set up. There's only the 1 reset relay, the home position can be any of three positions though. Imagine the wheel that turns split into three equal parts, It doesn't really matter what part you're on they all do the same thing as they spin, and it's the same distance from one home position to the next, and the same things happen. Thank you for watching Wayne!!!!
@@LyonsArcade thanks for the help, I just don't understand why the designers would SPLIT the wheel into 3 equal parts instead of using a Non-Split Wheel with only one home position. I'm confused about who one designer would choose to use the SPLIT while 3 home positions compared to using 1 home position. I know that the 3 home position wheel was a #1 home position that has the reset relay.
BI-metal bulb
Jones Plugs: 31:54
Hi Guys ... Can I please ask the name of the fella that actually narrates the videos here? My fella thinks it's "Joe", but I could swear that, in one video, I heard the narrator call to "Joe" IN THE BACKGROUND to ask him a question. Thanks for your input.
We SO enjoy watching and listening to you. (You DO sound A LOT like the fella on "Mustie1", who fixes derelict mowers and other small engines, etc. Check him out!)
I'm Ron Joe is my brother :) We have another brother named Donnie. See you on the next video amkarei!!!!
You BETCHA!!
If that's says anything.
Brasso
That may have been what he used!
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@@naytch2003 nyuk nyuk nyuk
@@lileveretteyoakumiii Sointainley
Hey Lil Everette!
@@LyonsArcade Hello Yodeler
Yes not being able to say a word on the You Tube makes everyone safer. I 52 i feel bad for my grandchild but she seems to take it all with a grain of salt. I guess if you never knew what it was you can't miss what it was LOL. But America is not getting any smarter. :(
I often wonder what we missed out on ourselves, i'll bet the generation before us saw the same thing happen, not sure if it was worse or less worse but I believe more and more that the most free people ever were was a long ways back before today.
I don't know if this applies but I'm one of those people that were required to say the pledge of allegiance at school. To us, it was just a meaningless chant until one of the teachers got tired of us just mouthing the pledge and explaining what we were supposed to be doing.
Pledging allegiance was something that was supposed to be done from the heart. It was a daily affirmation of being American and supporting our system of government.
After that, most of us understood what an oath meant. We were a bit more spirited about the pledge as we said it and affirmed our trust in government.
The kids nowadays are just like us back then before we were made to understand what we were doing. They don't understand the meaning behind the words that they're mouthing and it's just a meaningless ritual.
They don't have anything concrete to latch on to keep them steady while the ground under their feet has turned to unstable mud.
Whoops! I just ranted. Sorry about that!
@@15743_Hertz We used to the same thing in Australia as late as mid 80s. We sang the national Anthem, Advance Australia Fair, and also feel like we recited a pledge bit can't find it.
As a child it was meaningless. It wasn't due to not knowing the words, but more not knowing What it means. You try to explain it to a six year old.
Edit: Found it. It was a Victorian primary school thing and called the Patriotic Declaration.
I love God and my country, I will honour the flag, I will serve the Queen and cheerfully obey my parents, teachers and the law.
It probably was discontinued due required separation of state and religion.
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