If only all of the channels reviewing this pedal watched your video and actually demoed it in this fashion, instead of just putting it in front of everything and filming a half-ass review…
NS2 is terrible in high gain situations. If you use the X pattern cable method, and have the threhsold so its "tight" try ringing out a chord. Youll notice that if you turn the threshold down whilst its ringing out, you get more input volume back. The supressor restricts your guitar input signal. Its exactly what it says, its like playing through a supressor, not a gate. Something like a Zuul is better
I was always so confused by this feature, thank you for explaining it so succinctly! You may already have a video on this but: considering the amount of cable our signal may need to get run through for this setup, is a buffer all you need to maintain the strength/clarity?
So I'm guessing if we're using a pedal switcher, we could theoretically plug the guitar straight into the gate's input, plug the rest of the chain from the gate's Send, then put the Return & Output in the desired loop?
That would also include putting reverb in the noise gate loop, which is less then ideal. But I have never used a pedal switcher so I don’t know what the right solution would be.
Why not an audio demo showing the sound difference between placement locations? I like my setup with it last before the preamp chain, after the drive and EQ. Don't those pedals add noise too?
First of all. Thats a supressor. Not a gate. It does the gate thing but not like a fully noise gate. Its better to advertise pedals that actually have a noise gate build in
Noise Suppressor is just the name Boss give to their noise gate. Let's not get fooled by branding: It's a noise gate - it operates the same as every other noise gate.
My dude, I partnered with Boss for this video, the people who made this pedal: They refer to the 'Noise Suppressor' as a noise gate because that's what it is. They just don't call it 'Noise Gate' because they had an earlier model they called 'Noise Gate', the NF-1, and the evolution of it needed to be called something different not to confuse the filing system. It's a noise gate with a model name. The 'Metal Zone' isn't different from distortion - it's just distortion with a model name. I absolutely guarantee that through my professional activities I talk to more pedal builders than you do, and I don't think a single one of them would draw any distinction.
@@ScienceofLoud then you also know about the tonal loss this pedal gives you when you activate it. Or thats something boss doesnt want to say to you. The metalzone is also not only a distortion but a simplified version of a solid state preamp. Just like the hm2 is a fuzz with a way higher output in the frequenties. But hey. Thats not what boss tells you in their papers. A company can say what they want. The pcb says more than the booklet. The ns2 became the pcb standard for noise suppression. Later improvements made it possible to design noise gate schemes. Years later a few companies combined the ns2 scemes with the modern gate scemes wich led to gates with a loop for suppression. First ones that used this and sold were the decimator g string pedals. And this design became improved by lone wolf audio and several other pedal builders. Boss stayed with the supression schematic. They only upgraded buffers and the ratios of attack and decay wich makes it act like a noise gate which its actually isnt
I hate noise gates. If you need a noise gate, you need to take a closer look at your rig, find where the excessive noise is coming from and either get rid of it or get a better version that has a better S/N ratio. Sometimes I think guitarists have way too many toys they don’t really need that do nothing more than introduce noise. Call me “boomer” if you want, but I am an old fart that believes the closer you can get to guitar to cable to amp, the better off you are. Now, get off my lawn!
Yeah sorry let me just cut my guitar and amp out since they cause noise as well, noise is everywhere better to just deal with what you get from a setup you like than go back to an amp and guitar and only play a million blues riffs over and over
That's great if you want to play clean and have no lights or electronics in the same room or on stage that can add noise, boomer... Or if you're one of the unlucky ones whose house's wiring adds noise to your signal. Then just buy a new house, not a noise gate duh! There's a reason why noise gates have been around for 50 years. You're a _megaboomer_ if you think they're a new toy. Even the Boss NS-1 is almost 40 years old...
Please release the full vid, I need to buy a noise gate and this looks like something I need to watch first.
Working on it
@@ScienceofLoud Work faster! Back to the youtube sweatshop with you! 😂
I just watched it this morning, so it's up now.
The send/return on a noise gate is a great feature and you're missing out by not using it.
If only all of the channels reviewing this pedal watched your video and actually demoed it in this fashion, instead of just putting it in front of everything and filming a half-ass review…
Decimator g string FTW.
NS2 is terrible in high gain situations. If you use the X pattern cable method, and have the threhsold so its "tight" try ringing out a chord. Youll notice that if you turn the threshold down whilst its ringing out, you get more input volume back. The supressor restricts your guitar input signal. Its exactly what it says, its like playing through a supressor, not a gate. Something like a Zuul is better
I was always so confused by this feature, thank you for explaining it so succinctly! You may already have a video on this but: considering the amount of cable our signal may need to get run through for this setup, is a buffer all you need to maintain the strength/clarity?
It’s basically an effects loop
Does that also mean that the start of the chain and the end of the chain are both buffered through the boss buffer in the pedal?
So I'm guessing if we're using a pedal switcher, we could theoretically plug the guitar straight into the gate's input, plug the rest of the chain from the gate's Send, then put the Return & Output in the desired loop?
That would also include putting reverb in the noise gate loop, which is less then ideal. But I have never used a pedal switcher so I don’t know what the right solution would be.
So do i still keep my looper pedal connected to the effects return ?
As long as it takes line level
Why not an audio demo showing the sound difference between placement locations? I like my setup with it last before the preamp chain, after the drive and EQ. Don't those pedals add noise too?
Did you watch the full video this short is taken from, or just this short?
Because guess where you'll find what you are looking for?
@@ScienceofLoud 👍
so... double noise gate?
Is it ok if my TC Poly tuner is before the Boss on my large pedalboard?
Yeah you're pretty much going to want your tuner at the very start of your chain.
idk why this is so confusing . the send n return
What ? Split it in half .. huh 😂
It's very simple and explained fully here: ruclips.net/video/KUP2jle1w88/видео.html
First of all. Thats a supressor. Not a gate. It does the gate thing but not like a fully noise gate. Its better to advertise pedals that actually have a noise gate build in
Noise Suppressor is just the name Boss give to their noise gate.
Let's not get fooled by branding: It's a noise gate - it operates the same as every other noise gate.
@@ScienceofLoud sadly enough thats not true. Talk to pedal builders and they will say the same. It can act like a gate but it isnt.
My dude, I partnered with Boss for this video, the people who made this pedal: They refer to the 'Noise Suppressor' as a noise gate because that's what it is. They just don't call it 'Noise Gate' because they had an earlier model they called 'Noise Gate', the NF-1, and the evolution of it needed to be called something different not to confuse the filing system.
It's a noise gate with a model name. The 'Metal Zone' isn't different from distortion - it's just distortion with a model name.
I absolutely guarantee that through my professional activities I talk to more pedal builders than you do, and I don't think a single one of them would draw any distinction.
@@ScienceofLoud then you also know about the tonal loss this pedal gives you when you activate it. Or thats something boss doesnt want to say to you. The metalzone is also not only a distortion but a simplified version of a solid state preamp. Just like the hm2 is a fuzz with a way higher output in the frequenties. But hey. Thats not what boss tells you in their papers. A company can say what they want. The pcb says more than the booklet. The ns2 became the pcb standard for noise suppression. Later improvements made it possible to design noise gate schemes. Years later a few companies combined the ns2 scemes with the modern gate scemes wich led to gates with a loop for suppression. First ones that used this and sold were the decimator g string pedals. And this design became improved by lone wolf audio and several other pedal builders. Boss stayed with the supression schematic. They only upgraded buffers and the ratios of attack and decay wich makes it act like a noise gate which its actually isnt
I hate noise gates. If you need a noise gate, you need to take a closer look at your rig, find where the excessive noise is coming from and either get rid of it or get a better version that has a better S/N ratio. Sometimes I think guitarists have way too many toys they don’t really need that do nothing more than introduce noise. Call me “boomer” if you want, but I am an old fart that believes the closer you can get to guitar to cable to amp, the better off you are. Now, get off my lawn!
OK boomer...
You clearly don’t understand tone on high gain rigs
What Andrew said. A high-gain signal chain is a different beast entirely. (…boomer)
Yeah sorry let me just cut my guitar and amp out since they cause noise as well, noise is everywhere better to just deal with what you get from a setup you like than go back to an amp and guitar and only play a million blues riffs over and over
That's great if you want to play clean and have no lights or electronics in the same room or on stage that can add noise, boomer...
Or if you're one of the unlucky ones whose house's wiring adds noise to your signal. Then just buy a new house, not a noise gate duh!
There's a reason why noise gates have been around for 50 years. You're a _megaboomer_ if you think they're a new toy. Even the Boss NS-1 is almost 40 years old...