How Attack on Titan Explains RACISM
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Zootopia was a sanitized version of this idea as well (predators oppressing the prey in the past, then the predators chose to humble themselves and live together in a civil society but the villain is a prey that wants to oppress all the predators for their past sins).
Apparently in a scene that was cut out during the cooking, it shows that "Predators" wear colliers(I think I don't remember) and the "Prey" were scared shitless(like the sheep guy was coverd in a bomb suit)since they were gona take it off of him.(Nick I mean)
@@theforbiddenpotato8032 Yeah I think in the original version Nick was the main character and the predators all wore shock collars to live in modern society and put the prey at ease but it was too dark for Disney.
@@Skitskl33 I DON'T think the predators chose to wear shock collars,I think they were forced because all the preyers where scared
@@PGbutalsofourteenplus Yeah in the collar version they were forced to wear them.
In both versions, it's heavily implied the predators oppressed the prey before they lived together civilly though.
@@Skitskl33 Question: who "civilized" who? [specifically in the version they released, the whole "forced to" part makes it pretty clear]
"As long as there are 2 people left on the planet, someone is gonna want someone dead." A Professional.
A professional with standards.
That sounds like something i would read in the Witcher
"It's been said that arms dealer will inherit the earth. Because everyone else will be too busy killing each other" -Nick Cage's character in Lord of War
"When the chips are down, this civilized people, they eat each other."
-A Clown to a Bat.
"It's still too easy to blame only a few people"
It's much easier for those masses to actually commit those atrocities, when they can point to only a few people having "the real" responsibility for them.
When people are required to take responsibility for themselves, they're nowhere near as willing to do it, so it doesn't happen as much. "The few" are convenient instruments and enablers.
Yeah, and sadly it's a common trend that after dictatorships or state abuse only high ranking members of the military or the state are judged, and most of the people actually commiting those crimes get to live free of consecuence for their actions. Im from Chile, and after the dictatorships all the foot soldiers and doctors that could have rejected the order of torturing and killing others where pardoned as if they didn't have a choice, there's always a choice! I could never kill an inocent human being even if they'll kill me instead.
That beg a question about what the US did to Japan? Using thermonuclear weapon against civilian is pretty ok since they all part of the so call "evil".
ps. Umm actually it is pretty ok since no one was jailed for that incidence.
And yet..... Only one man can swing an axe
@@TBPetitP Could you kill a guilty person? How guilty do they have to be before you'd kill them? If you'd kill them, what else would you do?
The guy who does the deed often BELIEVES that they're punishing the wicked.... It's the only way you can do the deed
@@TBPetitP It can be easy when the threat is to yourself. "What consequences am I willing to bear?" However, what about when your choices threaten family, children, and friends? Can you still decide not following an order is worth the retribution and destruction set to befall all of those other "innocents"? It doesn't even have to be death.
Sometimes saying no can result in the loss of employment, and further similar prospects, that ruins whole family's lifestyle and livelihood. How willing are you to watch your children lose their home and worry about where the next meal comes from? Maybe you just let the Phillip Morris executives throw away that report...
Life sucks, and then you die.
Grisha: I became a doctor to save lives! Not take them!
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Never apologize for your opinion dude. Bad or good, own it. Your videos are great, and have a ton of content and value to it. Also, these video essays are your strength, you should play to it more.
This one of the most strongest comments I ever read in ever in life.
Thank u for this revaluation
True ,the reason we love this channel is because of the content.
Tell that to HitLLLer
@@Pub4si I am actually a fan of him. He was the best thing that happened to Europe. Watch the greatest story never told, banned in several western countries.
@@kostadindurchov5507 Based
The romans were opressed by the etruscans and greeks, the mongolians were opressed by the romans etc. The cycle of violence is displayed beautifully in aot. And you did a great job portraying and explaining it. Our violence is not the work of a few, but the result of nature.
edit: romans never opressed mongolians. Sorry for that mistake
Mongolians oppressed by Romans? Is it supposed to be Chinese
Certainly not with Romans/Mongols there
@@janaldrichlandicho3560 mistake on my part.
@@killahasbigrpk8711 I think you meant "The Celts were oppressed by the Romans."
Like, for real, literally almost all of them, the Celts ranged from Spain, France, and Britain to the Balkans and frickin' Anatolia! The only Celts that didn't come under Roman dominion were the Scots and Irish!
@@JMObyx yeah, that’s more accurate
This is probably one of the best analysis about the main theme in aot!! I noticed that the most common take on this show is the fascism/authoritarianism/nazism thing but I always thought it was more than that, that it's more about the cycle of hatred and violence in general. And indeed, understanding and forgiveness is always the best solution. (Btw, that's also why Hange is my favorite character because she always puts importance in understanding 😭). I know the alliance's resolve might seem way too idealistic and unrealistic, but it surely was the most rightful solution to this problem.
@@turtleblight Yes, isym does make Hange ambiguous but he never said Hange wasn't a woman. It's open to the reader's interpretation.
some people have a very shallow understanding of morality, queit a bit like the brainwashed eldians in marley
I like the alliance. Yes even they themselves acknowledge that they don't actually have a solution to the problem (like us in reality don't always have a solution to every problem. Isayama is just being realistic here), but still they're trying their best to do the right thing.
They would be more "progressive" if they set in stone made Hange a female. But its a fictional world like the desire to be something youre not. Every cell in your body be like: 🙄. Need psychological help. Next pedos will be seen as poor souls, who cant help they were born liking little kids. Also because technically science says, the first period for little girls is reproductive time. 😳 Like kittens when they turn six months old.
I don't even agree that it being Fascist is a valid criticism if it was because it's justified by the world-building and context. I don't need a fictional universe to adhere to either my morals or preferred political system if it makes sense for that specific world. I love war hammer 40k but I don't want a Theocrat Confederate state empire in real life.
Me: Perhaps this title is right, and we should stop hating each other and minimize violence
Pilgrim: uses dub scenes instead of sub scenes
Me: peace was never an option
instantly
Bruh I can’t read and watch the scene at the same time
Thanks for the warning, I'll skip this video lmao
Cringe
@@Chill227 y’all should just get down to it and learn Japanese if you like it so much
I was bored of history in school. But I've recently realized that we can learn so much from it. Yet so many refuse to.
I think history in school focuses too much on facts and memorization, when they should be focusing more on teaching about the pitfalls they fell in because of human nature. We tend to learn of history, as a third party, when we are in history and thus we should be learning that we are just as capable of being those people on the textbooks if we are not careful.
@@TadanoCandy We avoid teaching pitfalls in history because that leads to a subjective view of it and the world as a whole. What was a pitfall to one group was a boon to another. Of course we teach the obvious agreed upon pitfalls of colonialism, genocide, etc.
Many refuse to learn but the real problem are the ones that refuse to teach
@@spades9681The pitfalls of colonialism has an anti-white rhetoric to it. So that's also subjective. Since the mere action of moving from your birthplace to another land to purchase property and raise a family there is an act of colonialism itself.
@@alejandromaldonado6159 words words words
"Kumbaya more like Kamehameha" shall now be my new warcry whenever i play as a Conqueror in an RTS game.
Growing up in Kenya education system, they always hid the other side of History of why Britain colonized Africa. Even despite The British colonization brought a lot of development to Africa, we are always trained to see Them as evil. Such one sidedness cost me a lot believing since we are the victims we deserve everything and when it doesn't happened I grow with self pity and anger which I therefore inflict it on others around me. Indeed this world is fallen and broke and only by salvation of Christ, would we enjoy true power of Eternal life. Pilgrim pass you are a joy to watch and listen. Definitely gonna share this with my friends
I hear you my friend. Such was the case for many of us in Nigeria too. Thankfully, this trend is gradually stopping and many more of us are being more objectively educated on African history rather than the narrow-minded way we were taught about it in the past.
Amen
Britain ended the slave trade
Truly cursed since Eden.
I like your takes
Atot fans don’t want to impose judgment on erens character by either claiming everyone is bad and no one good in the Atot world or claiming that (the world) deserved it. It’s a severe lack of history and human nature mixed with an on going zeitgeists of oppressed and oppressor. With the oppressed position seen as one of freedom fighter and only when they aren’t oppressed will things become good and evil gone.
I mean he wasnt on a easy position. In a few years they would have straight up nuked paradis.
@@distributistsshrekvideo and it did, such a pathetic decision making especialkybthe cringevengers
@@felixtla93 ??
@@distributistsshrekvideo they did so anyway, to boot, if you killed everyone outside, it would just mean the curse of imyr would be eternal among the eldians that would probably repopulate the planet, and eventually, kill each other for ideas or power.
@@distributistsshrekvideo Paradis WAS nuked
As a german, i am very happy about this video.
I have always been curious how a German lives with the villain tag on his head because of history? Would you mind telling me, like are you all taught in schools to hate your heritage, nation and religion? I would love to know
@@johnnykilonzo2103 In Germany we are taught that we have a responsebility for the attrocities of the past. If you step too far out of line you will be reminded of the fact that we did something bad in the past as a collective and be expected to step back. In school we don´t actually learn much about the philosophie or the politics of the nazi regime. Maybe in higher education as I only had history until 15. It is more about the hollocaust and the way the war went.
@@finitemoney5887as an American I know that we did some terrible shit. It was not good to put it simply, the natives aren’t around to complain though! Heh heh…
Growing up I was always told that Eden was a perfect, painless paradise where people and animals were basically vegetarians. Then a few years ago I came across scholars who believed God's command to "dominate" the Earth implied violence, probably meat-eating. I admit I was bothered by the theological implications at first but have since warmed up to it. Eden was only "very good" in regard to how it was as God intended. In a way, Paradise not being our vision of perfection makes perfect sense. I now see it as an exercise in humility and submission. We surrender our interests to the Almighty when we enter the Kingdom and that includes includes our vision of perfection.
That is fascinating. If I seem to remember, after the Rumbling...I mean Flood God gave Noah and his family permission to eat meat. Not saying that humanity were vegetarian before the flood but it could be possible. What would that mean. After you have an ark full of animals you are allowed to eat them? This dominant command is hard core.
Wow, i'm speechless... really, i've never, EVER, thought about it that way, that's an amazing touch on the subject, thank you, really...
It makes sense that it can be interpreted with "violence".
"Mother Earth" as we know it is a very rough place.
A human alone in the wilderness has very low chances to survive. But in an ordered "garden" preferably with a community around him, the human can survive easily.
But to create an "orderly garden" in this wilderness, you have to tame the wilderness. And to tame something wild means you have to be strong.
True. Of course, Domination to a certain degree is also important to remember, as while Man had to dominate, it was also seen his responsibility to the Earth as well
It opens another theologic can of worms. Not everyone wants to go to heaven. I havn't yet come across an atheist or polytheist who likes this vision (or shittone of other visions) of an afterlife. Which kinda makes Christianity not that great religion
You either go to Hell which is apparently terrible or you go to Heaven which is against your morality / ideology / identity / etc. It's fucked up
I would rather just die
But here comes the cosmic horror. You can't really die. My body might disintegrate centuries ago and I'll continue to suffer no matter which choice I made
(that's ignoring the fact you don't even know if your version of Christianity is right and you didn't just waste your whole life only to end up in Hell)
This was, arguably, the most worthy hour I've spent on YT. Liked, favorited, all that good stuff, great video. I will add that you did touch quite a bit into melodrama, in my humble opinion of course :). If it be allowed to mention, I believe that, at various levels, conflict/violence is ingrained into our very DNA, it is the exercise of passion, the breaking of boundaries, the prospering of self and loved ones(if any), the euphoria and exhileration of acting in power as growth of self, which will inevitably put one in the position to act in power over another person and that is the most potent and addictive narcotic there has ever existed(imo), which in more or less cases leads to the development of sadism, as in acting in power upon others no longer for the prosperity of self but rather for the euphoric effect caused by inflicting acts of violence upon others. As with all things, there is much complexity in violence, conflict, power culminating in sadism, so it should not be so easily over-simplified. Anyone contesting the notion of violence, at one level or another, being ingrained into our DNA, well, I say to you, look no farther than the explosive growth in popularity of fighting sports. Period. Anyway, enough of my rant, again, great video, with capital G, loved it, but everything is a touch more complex than one can cover even in an amazing hour long YT video. Have a good day, brother!
Great comment. Mostly commenting so I read it again when Im not sleepy. I think you might be onto something with the connection of passion/euphoria and domination/power/violence and how addicting it is.
It reminds me of podcast I listened to by Lex Fridman on chimpanzees. The expert was asked by Lex something along the lines of why do chimps of one tribe gang up and attack solo chimps of another tribe whenever the opportunity present and the response was the same reason they/we all have sex, they do it simply to enjoy the act itself - my own interpretation now, while it might be evolutionary to procreate or be violent, it might be more accurate to say its evolutionary to take pleasure in violence and sex.
I definitely tasted it too and thought I was strong enough to surpass it and remain purely compassionate but as Pilgram said its not really a sign of moral character if you are powerless and dont exercise power which was the lens I judge from prior to being in charge, the mentality that if I was in power I could save the world but then instead a tyrant is born.
@@aaronlatif52 Jordan Peterson put it perfectly in that you should want to be a monster but learn to control it to be an extremely effective human being. That means having compassion but not being ignorant to the nature of the world around you because you will be messed up if you believe you are in a utopia of perfect safety and the real world comes smashing down on you in the form of violence or hunger.
Definitely built into our DNA. What is our nature? To survive. What do we need to survive (and continue)? Food, shelter, procreation. The more money you have the more women (or men), land, shelter, food- i.e. security you have. In my opinion, this is why we see domination, greed, enslavement. Because of our own natural tendency to survive.
This is why it is necessary to teach morality, forgiveness, mercy, moderation, selflessness, etc. Every time I go to church I'm learning how to deny my nature / moderate my nature so I can be a good person. This is why the whole utopian society is baloney and why we will never be Star Trek. Don't get me wrong. I am a HUGE fan of Star Trek, but humanity will never get rid of money and voluntarily work, and work hard, simply to better ourselves. Beautiful idea, but our nature to survive will never go away. What we need is a nature change to achieve utopia (besides other things, like unlimited resources).
"There are no innocents, it is all of us together by action and inaction that make the world what is it.
The truth is that we are doomed to repeat our mistakes time and time again...
It is the world's only constant." - Mithras, Sacrifice game, 2000
'"There are no innocents, it is all of us together by action and inaction that make the world what is it.'.
'The truth is that we are doomed to repeat our mistakes time and time again...'.
'It is the world's *only consta-* '.
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@@CaptainPilipinas , a fellow wizard I see. Strength and Honour!
@@checkmate9099 (eugh.
wait. man).
@@checkmate9099 (anyways).
well, no/kind of. you need to be reminded tha-
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unless you are not a main [Flower Game(s)]-player yourself? and are just saying 'wizard' for a different else instead??....
@@checkmate9099 (ah. but first.
I remember this section now).
I think this is the best portrayal of Aot's (and historical) themes I have ever seen. Fantastic job man.
This dude needs ALL the subscribers, great video and well said!
I would also like to point out the message of Natalism in the story aswell. While not as focused in the anime in the mange they bring the idea of rebirth quite constantly and how the children of the future can't be burdened with the sins of the past mistakes by their parents, I know it was disscussed in the video but to me at least its an important plot point that should be referenced as it's something more people should remeber in todays world.
I'm glad he's diving into anime, fingers crossed that he reviews Monster
The show: beating the audience's heads with a very obvious message
The fandom: devouring each other anyway for the ending, proving the show to be way too accurate about human nature and peace is indeed never a choice
To be fair, many of them fought over who Eren should fuck.
The fact that he didn't fuck any of them, and both ended up with someone else, is extremely funny.
It really scared me when many people still kept on hating Gabi (or the Marleyan-Eldian warriors in general) despite admitting that she was just a brainwashed little girl, solely because she killed Sasha. It's okay - and very understandable - that you personally hate Gabi, but to NEVER forgive her is just plain wrong.
It just proved that humans just can't stop hating each other.
@@kristianjavorsky1355I’m not in that fandom an I can just see it playing out in my head lol
I avoid the fandom at all cost.
The full AOT quote "The world is cruel, but also very beautiful."
Check out René Girard, he was a French philosopher and anthropologist who developed his theory of mimetic desire, the scapegoat mechanism and more. His thesis almost perfectly maps onto AoT's themes and messages.
I'd suggest starting with Violence and the Sacred
thank you, I'll check him out
@@PilgrimsPass something is Purposefully wrong.
Again.
@@CaptainPilipinaswhat?
this one from back then was not for you, Runner.
@@CaptainPilipinas lmao
47:10 Finally! Someone else who actually looks at history with an objective lens. The way most people (especially in woke academia) like to portray the history of British colonialism as just a black-and-white affair is just disappointing. Colonialism was bad but not utterly devoid of some net positives in the long-run. My own country of Nigeria has a similar experience. Prior to its creation, the British began colonisation and though they used brutality to gain control of the land/region, it is undeniable that they did some good by abolishing slavery (yes, they partook in it but it was present long before them and my own ancestors practiced it with brutality. The British were the only power that abolished it) The reason why my country can even boast of being an economically strong and largely literate population is partly because of the influence of the British colonialists in laying the educational and economic framework that my country still builds on. They also laid the foundations for a national identity for us and though it is very imperfect, many of us would rather strive to see civic unity continue than our country dissolve.
True, even here in Kenya, we owe a lot to the Britain empire of the progress and unity we have enjoyed. Especially the part with Trade and Christianity, most people were languishing in poverty and witchcraft, I am grateful they at least handled that.
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I'm going to try not to be too rude because this is a very sensitive topic for me as a Yoruba man, but with all due respect this point is bollocks:
-Its because of Awolowo that there are high literacy rates, not the British
-Neo colonialism is STILL messing us up, why are you acting as if the British empire was a favour to Nigerians?
-Why are you downplaying British exploitation of slave trade as if it was somehow "more civilised" than the war between ancestral tribes?
-The economic and political systems we inherited from the British were built to extract wealth from us, they were inherited by the Nigerian elites to continue the same process running the country into the ground, how are you arguing that they brought progress???
-Your "objective" way of looking at history is just a poor excuse for oppressors to justify their past abuses, it is just repackaged propaganda to favour the British, the only thing their empire cemented was their own global hegemony
-There is no salvation to come from simping for the British empire, it was never built for your benefit in mind
-The "national identity" they manufactured out of forced integration of warring ethnic tribes, is nonsense, the only national identity you speak of is shared trauma from being under the same boot, even then we have had the Biafran war, show us how dysfunctional the states "national identity" is.
-Please don't unironically use the word "woke" ever again
@@sunflowersamurai10 Thanks, friend. This is a discussion that I am glad to be having with a fellow Nigerian. Now to properly address your points
-The late Obafemi Awolowo is, indeed, a great man whose policies of funding primary education with tax revenue absolutely helped improve literacy rates in Nigeria but you forget to mention how he himself received subsidized education from British institutions in Nigeria which enabled him succeed and even gain further education and success in England. This influenced his policies for Nigerian education.
-Neo colonialism is not what is hindering Nigeria as a nation. Corrupt and inept political leadership, border issues, and terrible socio-economic policies are what is causing our problems.
-In my original comment, I never downplayed the role of the British during the salve trade as I acknowledge it. The British partook in it but it was already established by Africans and Arabs long before they came to Africa (unless you can prove that slavery never existed here prior). However, it would be dishonest of me to fail to acknowledge the other aspect of the British regarding slavery i.e. that they were the primary reason slavery was abolished in parts of Africa where they ruled. they used their navy and economic might to patrol coasts and stop slaver ship and slaver raids. They did this because it helped increase their influence but also because their culture of liberalism built on Christianity found slavery abhorrent. Am I wrong? if so, please tell me.
-The economic and political systems we inherited from the British were, indeed, implemented by them to foster proper administration of Nigeria as a colony and to extract resources but that is not the only reason behind them and it is also not the only reason we continue to use them as Nigerians today. The British left Nigeria with federal/parliamentary system for political organization and a capitalist system for economic organization and the social framework was one of liberalism. Most of these systems were implemented in the south while the North rejected them and wanted to maintain their cultural and social framework. Today, given how we in the south are more economically well-off, academic higher, have better security and infrastructure, and socially integrated and unified compared to much of north, that dispels the notion hat these systems have been bad for us as Nigerians. Didn't Obafemi Awolowo literally use the British system of subsidized and publicly funded education to benefit Nigerians of all tribes?
-Being objective simply means looking at all perspectives and analysing situations broadly based on facts rather than being biased by personal feelings or ideology. I am a Nigerian but I am not going to use that as an excuse to lie about my country's history. I highlighted the negatives of colonialism and also the negatives in African society at that time, while talking about the positives of both. If you feel that is me making excuses for oppressors or British propaganda, please prove me wrong. I welcome it.
-I am not "simping" for the British empire. I'm just being objective. I also know their empire was not built for my benefit but I will also not deny that many aspects of it indirectly benefitted me and others like me in both intended and unintended ways.
-You are right. Our national identity is an imperfect one and our country has had many problems as a result of inept and downright evil leadership that has led to several terrible occurrences like the Biafran civil war, economic degradation, decreased national unity, increased insecurity etc. But why do you also deny other positives? After 1999, when our country returned back to democratic governance, many of our problems like massive insecurity, economic stagnation, decreased national unity, and high debt, low education and other ills caused by the military mismanagement were mostly fixed during Obasanjo's presidency and that of Yar'Adua. It was only upon the unfortunate election of buhari that many of these positives were undone and currently our country is experiencing many of those past problems. Nigeria's problems are not due to colonialism but government incompetence and corruption. Simply using the British as an excuse is just naïve and does more to help those corrupt politicians who continue to undermine our country and people.
-I use the word woke to describe the toxic and very flawed nature of the western left who push divisive identity politics and who use a very narrow-minded view of world history and politics to explain current events and issues but inevitably end up making those issues worse in the process.
The British were not the only power to abolish slavery.
Sublimis Deus (English: The sublime God;[1] erroneously cited as Sublimus Dei and occasionally as Sic Dilexit[2]) is a bull promulgated by Pope Paul III on June 2, 1537, which forbids the enslavement of the indigenous peoples of the Americas (called "Indians of the West and the South") and all other people who could be discovered later.
The Catholic Church was already pushing anti-slavery in 1537.
Hey man, don’t be so hard on yourself. Your presentations are why I’m a subscriber in the first place! I say don’t stop bro!
As for AOT, I would say it fell short at the end in regards to executing its themes, but I’ll reserve my comments for the anime’s conclusion. For more content on human nature and the cycle of violence, I recommend you look at Naoki Urasawa’s Monster, JH’s The Horizon, and Fyodor Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov.
Ooo, name drops I love
It was rushed, sure, but I wouldn't say it didn't explore its themes well. I'd say nihilism, free will, and geopolitics are handled rather well/realistically in the end
@@CarlosSanchez-dv5iqI’ll be discussing vague details about the ending, so if you reader don’t want to spoiled, refrain from reading.
Aside from the poor pacing, there were a couple of plot points that were not handled well. One revelation in particular stood out to me as something that undermined many of the show’s pivotal moments as well as the stories message of being open to communication. Not to mention that it felt like it came out of nowhere. Plus, the way Titan powers are handled in the last chapter left me with a lot more questions than answers.
Furthermore, I found the additional final panels to be unnecessary since the original ending already addressed that issue. I understand what they mean thematically, but I’ve found it to be in direct conflict with one of Monster’s important messages. Ultimately, my critique of the final panels specifically relates to not exploring humanity enough. The counter argument is that perhaps I couldn’t handle how cruel it was. The response would be that the show made an emphasis on the world being beautiful as well and it got snuffed out in those additional pages. If the world really is nothing more than an endless cycle of cruelty, then I now understand what Dostoevsky meant when he said he would pick Christ over Truth if you could prove to him that they were two different things.
I may not agree with some of the finer details or AOT may not be my fav anime, but I can appreciate your argument and appreciate the story Isiyama made a bit more after this
Thanks for taking the time to put this together and making the vid this long
Impressed, you have a gift for this. You should make a video about the life of Genghis Khan; oppressed to oppressor. The ultimate example maybe of this phenomenom
This was fantastic. As a New Zealander myself, it feels weird that I've learned more about the Moriori from this one video, than I have throughout my entire time in my country's education system.
Furthermore, I think you hit on a really good point about how colonisation can have positive impacts on colonised nations. New Zealand's education system is looking to focus more on our own history, but my concern is that a lot of people will walk away with very simplistic perspectives on Māori-Pākehā relations. Whereas in the past we were largely left to believe that after the NZ Land Wars, everything was largely hunky dory. Now I'm concerned people will be led to believe that Māori and Pākehā were always antagonistic towards each other, all of the time. Perhaps my fears will be unfounded, but time will tell.
Great video, I'm sharing this with a few friends
I found your channel today and watched only two videos, but those were the best explanations and analyzes. Subscribed now.
Also, speaking as an ethnic Russian living in Russia. This anime really saved me from a self-destructive mindstate and from hating my own nation. Attack on Titan is a work that deserves to be teached at schools.
Thanks for your video!
Btw, while reading the manga I saw a lot of comments absolutely hating one side of the conflict and cheering the other. It confused me a lot since one of the main themes of the manga was reaching the compromise and not making a devil out of any nation.
I only read the manga but it had a postive effect on me too, though in the opposite direction. Here in America they pounded into our heads that we're - white people - all evil.
Monsters that basically created slavery, genocide, and war. Any attempt to bring up nonwhite genocides like the sacking of Bagdahd, or the Moors who sacked Spain and drove my ancestors into the moutains, got shouted down.
Because my mother was Spanish I kind of got off a bit. I was a Hispanic White - which means I'm not held to be as guilty - so I got doors opened for me that were shut to others. My own brother, whose skin is too light, has had trouble finding work our field even though he is more qualified simply because I am darker.
I honestly felt a degree of sympathy for Eren. If your people are demons, then so be it. Nobody should ever feel ashamed for their race.
Espeacily not you. Your people have not had it easy, and they have endured things my people haven't known in centuries. The invasion is bad, but never hate your people. Nevertheless, you are brave for speaking your mind as you feel it. Godbless you and yours.
@@SeanMendicinoI feel like the slavery thing is very wrong you know? Like yes America had slavery and enslaved black people ect ect, but slavery is nothing new right?
More Power to you, my friend! I feel like our mind & souls touched. I am growing increasingly lonely, depressed, and frustrated. Nobody seems to see or care about the exponential decay of human society and it's symptoms that manifest in the real world. Watching your videos gives me hope, that there is still a last resort, and proof that there are more people preserving or regaining their individual and critical thinking, and resisting this oppression in disguise.
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Essa é a análise mais Cristã que eu já vi dessa obra. O dialogo do Pai da Sasha representa muito bem essa questão da necessidade do perdão, e a crença de Yokopom é linda! Excelente vídeo!
Translation: This is the most Christian analysis I have ever seen of this work. Sasha's Father's dialogue represents this issue of the need for forgiveness very well, and Yokopom's belief is beautiful! Excellent video!
Woah… you got some insane analysis… and I respect your courage for uploading this video. These days, people have a hard time having a civil argument- it ends up in total ignorance and denying the other person’s opinion, or just straight up hate. Like you said, we should appreciate those who watched toward the end even when they disagreed with you. To be honest, I had moment when I disagreed with you (when you pointed out that Europe and Japan had peaceful trades) but you know what? It’s good to have a different opinion. It’s good to have peaceful arguments. It’s good I came across this video.
It is indeed good
By the way, why did Japan inflict so much pain on the Koreans and Chinese??
(when you pointed out that Europe and Japan had peaceful trades).
Most people would not classify forceful negociacion as peaceful trades, but I guess considering that Europe could have just invaded Japan. The choice to do trade can still be classified as "peaceful".
@@johnnykilonzo2103 In what time period? I know pretty much all asian countries kind of hate each other, but you gotta be more specific. Are you talking about WW2?
@@hollowman9410 definitely, the documentaries I have watched about Nanjing genocide, comfort women across Japan army war camps, Death match In Borneo are just too much.
Conteúdo maravilhoso, como sempre, meu nobre Peregrino!
As you said, not everyone will like this video. As a Muslim, I admit I felt triggered when you mention about the brutality and evil committed by Muslim empires. I didn't learn that from this video, I learn these things before during my student era. Its a harsh truth to swallow.
However, its because it is a harsh truth that we or I as a Muslim to accept it. The Quran or Allah Himself told us again and again to learn from the past, to not repeat the wrong committed that have been committed by those who came before us, to be better. The Prophet PBUH show this through his forgiveness to the people of Mecca who treated him and those that allies with him and Muslim poorly.
We must start to be better. The cycle of violence cannot be erased but it can be slow down to minimum. Its difficult but we must do it nonetheless.
thank you for your words, both of our sides have been brutal to each other but we don't have to continue it.
No one's perfect, and it is quite mature of you to acknowledge this. The sins of our ancestors are not our own. I am all the way with you on establishing peace
You are not guilty from what other people did. Also, every nation, religion, race, ideology, flat out everyone has ancestors with blood on their hands. Violence was the rule, not the exception in the past. Heck, just by thinking in the way that you think, you just proved that you are better than a lot of people of the current year.
This is EXACTLY the Attack on Titan analysis video I was looking for. Subscribed.
Regarding your evaluation of Avatar in the last part of the video, yes the intro puts all the guilt on the fire nation. But when they are traveling through the Earth Kingdom it is shown that they used to have empires and kingdoms there also. The world is full of conquests there also, it’s just that Katara didn’t have good history classes on the South Water tribe or something.
that's a good point yeah.
@@PilgrimsPass conheci o canal agora, tô curtindo. Bom trabalho aí irmão, salve Maria✝️🇧🇷
@@Nimai_Aquino Salve Maria
I don't even know where to begin... this might be not only one of my favorite AOT analysis videos of all time, but one of my favourite literary/socio-political/historical analysis videos of all time. As a weeb who loves history, geopolitics, philosophy, biology, etc and as someone who is working on my own manga, this took several viewpoints I've had on biological/psychological/historical cycles and intertwined and expanded them in such a brilliant way explaining one of my favourite stories of all time.
I remember being blown away by the Avatar/femininity video, but after this video this might be one of my favorite fictional analysis channels on this platform.
25:32 This isn't the right way to phrase Zeke's Euthanasia plan. While he certainly hates his own ethnic group, his plan isn't justified on that but on that the only way to end the cycle of hate in his eyes is to reduce every group to roughly the same level, Eldians with Titans even in a world with guns are too much of a danger and constant threat to be ignored.
26:14 Also, not a good way to describe Zeke's motivation. As Eren and Zeke summarized, Zeke's motivation can be boiled down to simple hate for his father and his cause, this is his fundamental strong bias that made him chose the euthanasia plan for ending the violence and he is smart, so he actually chose a plan with some argument to at least reduce the resentment and wars and oppression that could be caused by that from the world.
26:30 On some level I think while the trauma can't be Ignored, I see Eren more as "Because I have always been that way", even before his mum died, Eren had always displayed the fundamental characteristics of what he did in the end of the first core of season 4. Like him killing those Kidnappers, Never backing down from a fight and wanting to join the scouts. This has aways been eren, even if a bit spiked with Trauma.
27:17 Again, you're making an Error here, neither Eren nor Zeke think the world or Eldians respectively, are evil. They just view the elimination as necessary to create a more even playing field and wipe the slate of historic grievances clean. This isn't a X is evil game, this is a X needs to die for us to live in peace game.
33:42 Most likely however, the former slaves that returned to Liberia would genetically be mostly from southern Nigeria, tho the analogue can still be made.
36:10 The portuguese started raiding but that quickly proved far less cost effective to just buying people. Also the stuff you mention about the invasions seems to simplistic to me, it was the grand Arab Caliphate that did the first invasion and while Moors later took over I wouldn't call the entire process 1 single drawn out war. Also I would blame Britain and its invasions more on the Vikings, Anglii and Normans than the Romans.
37:25 It wasn't just mercenaries tho. 1/3ed of the Almoravid force were Takrurian allies not mercenaries.(In that they were allies to the Almoravids and their kind let them borrow 6000 of his calvarymen who largely returned after they secured Muslim Spain).
41:42 This last point is also the point of the Euthanasia and Extinction plans. No simply switching up the oppression to create a future enemy, simply kill of the other population. And no danger of making the enemy stronger.
47:44 Much of that growth is fake in that they're like wall street stocks kind of growth. Another large portion of it is recovery from period of instability kind of growth, so that aside from improving tech, much of Africa has been arguably stagnant for decades.
53:47 I have to disagree here. Even in season 1 we see that other Avatars have had to basically be bringing everybody back to "Peace and Harmony" and defeat the villain of the generation, so they're definitely not just saying Fire nation rose up one day and decided to be bad. However, I will agree that their cycle of violence is more simplistic than AOT's but not that simplistic, Avatar more reduces cycle of violence to Bad guy gets to power and influences others by his power to be bad, that's the rise of Fire lord Ozen as well as the bad guy Avatar Kyoshi had to fight.
As I loved the openings of this anime I can't but agree. How many times have I listened to this: "seid ihr das Essen, nein, wir sind die Jäger" (are you the food, no, we are the hunter)?
Also: though it's clear why we resort to Occidental history (due to the show aesthetics and our own cultural situation) maybe this (quite long) essay could be completed with some Eastern examples (look for the Man Jian Hong, Chinese poem written some 1000 years ago)
You have one of the most profound RUclips channels I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Since discovering your channel last night I've binged three episodes even waking in the middle of the night to consume another episode, like the Titans snacking on people on AOT😂😅
Criminally underrated channel. Great video
You seem both knowledgeable and, even, wise. I lack the discipline to study the history you recite myself to such a depth, but for what it's worth, I respect what you have said in this video (and some others).
I really appreciate the fact people like You Pilgrim exist and also spend their time laying down some interesting interpretations on so interesting pices of culture and issues in generral. Didn't know about Liberia - thank You!
Awesome video, and presented in a really engaging and interesting way. Great job, thanks for putting this out!
39:25 It honestly sounds like the most dehumanizing thing right there, like they couldn't mentally conceptualize the idea of bathing without the moor.a.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
Love your work, saludos desde México.
Best philosophical take on attack on titan
It was great to watch the entirety of this video.
I can't stop watching your videos. Thanks, man. Your perspective is extremely refreshing. Keep up the good work!
This channel really became my favourite. Every freaking video is amazing, touching and develops me as a human being. Thank you very much Pilgrim
i fully agree with you on that we should've seen eren's time in Marley but on "we should've saw mikasa getting more loyal to scouts than eren", i disagree;(unless you mean we generally should've saw mikasa getting along and forming friends outside ereh and armin)
because mikasa didn't become more loyal to scouts. Rather she became less attached to eren after she saw the man he had become, a man she no longer knew. And mikasa only finds this out after declaration of war moment. So there isn't really anything for us to see in this regard in that 4 year gap.
"Psychedelic gummy-babies from hell." I lol'ed. I lol'ed so hard at that, I laughed out loud.
Great vid. Love your take on the show and generally on history. Keep up the good work cause I'm honestly really enjoying your work:))
Beautiful, just a beautiful analysis of a show and human instincts.
wow this man just summarized the whole entire problem with modern day American Hollywood, without making a video about modern day American Hollywood.
took my over a week to finally finish this video this is a gem 10/10 video for a 20/10 anime. stay blessed & breakdown more media that metaphors human nature please 🙏🏾 thank you im subscribing now
When I was about to comment on how the scouts and the gang are like the Starship Troopers, you make the comparison in the end. Would love to see a comparisons video of both of them. I warn you though I am a big fan of the book.
Literally my favorite analytical channel on philosophy, politics, economics, history, and being especially able to apply that to some of my interest in these animations! :D
One of your best ones yet! Very well articulated.
Hey I've just watched the analogy to christian eucharistie and it has just slapped me in the face. Dang man, I can't believe I didn't see it until you mention it!! Brilliantly brought!!
Edit: The whole dang video is brilliant man. Those history pieces you brought up, those comparisons... Exquisite. The history of Spain and Portugal is a little bit one sided but exquisite nonetheless. You've earned yourself another followah
Lord I can only imagine how many subscribers PP might've lost if this had come out around now. So many parallels to what is happening in Israel, it would've been impossible not to full stop multiple times for comparison. But you gained at least one subscriber today. I may not have learned much I didn't already know--reminders are precious too--but, what I have learned from the couple PP videos I've seen is invaluable.
Best of luck to you and your channel, sir
You can draw many parallels from one event to another. It’s mostly because we are repeating what happened in the past. There will always be civilians getting attacked and bombed, new weapons of war will kill people. There will be war crimes, ect ect.
This video is the only thing I have seen so far that might convince me to watch Attack on Titan, just to watch out and see what you have seen. Great video, very important topic, thumbs up.
Around 39:20 you mention how academia is praising the Moors so much. It reminds me of some sort of modern "black fetishizing".
Funny thing is here in Germany, we have streets called "Mohrenstraße". Yet here its seen like the n-word.
Even though our relationship to the Mohrs were probably slightly different to Portugal's.
And there are indeed forces that want to change those street names.
It's quite peculiar how revisionist so many cultures are.
Yet your take on history is so clear and your emphasis on not perpetuating hatred and violence is so strong.
Btw: you didnt lose me with your history lesson. I have never heard such comprehensive yet clear history lesson on all of humanity 👌
And it also fits very well into the main topic AOT.
23:25 that university line is too true. And that history deep dive that was relatively sped up, is very true. No one in history is innocent
This video is legitimately enlightening
Also, lets not forget that most chopsticks are made of bamboo or wood, so making them killed something, if its made of metal, metal is smelted, you use coal or gas to melt it, both of which used to be living organisms, transformed over millikns of years.
At least you didn’t kill that think millions of years ago.
@@THECHEESELORD69 but you use their deaths for your benefit.
@@kubikkuratko188 uh huh…. So what can I do about it?
@@THECHEESELORD69 nothing
@@kubikkuratko188 exactly. So why cry over spilt milk?
this and your princess mononoke video gave me an existential crisis and I fucking loved it. sub
I thought I could watch a video essay about aot, but after so many years of avoiding spoilers, as soon as I hear anything related to the ending, even just alluding to a feeling about the ending I have to click off. Damn. Wish I could enjoy these, but not yet.
This video needs to be shown in schools. It's that good. Even if you've never watched AoT before, the concepts discussed are eye-opening.
Violence will never leave humanity as long as we exist in this world sadly.
Humans lived hundereds and thousands of years without pollution and industrial slavery war. Civilization is a Machines that harvest all Life and makes it slaves: 🦾🤖🔥☢️💀🏭
Man, it took me this long to see the connection to the "monster kills it's creator"-trope here.
And that's a reason why I became a sort of indifferent when it comes to people, because at the end of the day we humans are the same, all having the same potential to be complete bastards
"Voltaire can choke on a bagette"
You sir, have a new subscriber.
Okay back. Sharing everywhere I can. Long thought incoming: Yeah, stories like this have a universal appeal, even for people who fail to learn the lessons. Buffy/Angel, Babylon 5, Madoka, V, Psycho Pass etc. Also no not like us but one thing I liked about the music from Pocahontas was everything "has a life, has a spirit, has a name." And yes tangent, but a good one.
I consider the man's inhumanity to man and everything else really a natural consequence of this particular life and kind of necessary if we want to actually know who we are, for where there is in humanity there is also the equal and opposite in capacity. Just a matter of effort, and getting back up when you fall on your face. And far more often than we'd like to admit outside help. The cycle is balanced too btw, and it was so very fun listening to this. Like us animals are violent yes, I see it every time my dog sees a squirrel, and they are as warm as they are cold. I see it every time they comfort each other or us. Not an argument, just, people are often half full or half empty. Never got it. I just knew there was some water and I needed to prepare for needing more. Love the tie to history and society of this by the way. Interesting way to look at it.
19:35 And as always, the more I delve into the video the better it gets. And here it was like every sentence kept upping the last. And it's making me wonder if there is a literary version of this show, because I could read it, maybe even survive a comic.
Appreciate the various sources of monstrous behavior. It's funny, when I wrote my novels, the specific trilogy anyway that I've been setting aside for emotional reasons, how and why we make the choices we do and how those choices affect us and others was essentially a theme. It wasn't intentional. For some reason when I write it's a little different than the way other people do. It's a processing tool for understanding the world around me, dealing with my own stuff, and gifts of empathy, not that new but I put it together in a way that's unique. I call it psychological pinball. Still in the end I found the stories that I like the best are about collapse and growth, cause and effect. It's not on a big level like this, familial to be specific, but it definitely involves how we can become monsters and angels. And a lot like Whedon I ride that line between fantasy and humanity a little close.
Anywho, point being, as someone who's become very familiar with various forms of power, I always wonder why anyone really seeks it, it has to be carefully prepared for because in the end, it shows you who you are right now and we're seldom ready to know who we are right now.
34:33 🤭
35:17 I laughed a little too hard at that. Probably be surprised how little of their oil we actually got. In fact, if I recall, our top oil resource was Canada.
43:45 I think this brings me back to my central thought balance, also yes forgiveness is very important. Kind of sad but very true story I've probably been under the jackfruit of men more than a few times in my life often people who are very close to me and that I trusted either because I was born in that situation or weakened just before meeting them. For watching this constant back and forth hatred between men and women is tragic. We all have our issues. We don't have to repeat the cycle my friends are of both sides and I make a point to stay that way because I don't ever want to be that person who is so bitter, to end up the very thing I hate and since I spent about 3 years that way it can be changed. Also random reader take note that I said thing, and not person, because again forgiveness. Not easy to learn for some no, it took me like a decade the first time, but it got increasingly faster as I went along after that.
45:24 That explains the problem with technology and why Dune had a butlerian jihad. Also impressed Someone noticed parts of Africa is up and coming.
Last thoughts: this was your best video. If it helps. While I believe it will get worse to the point of safe zones and chaos everywhere else, I also believe we will stop, on our own, not through force but finally getting it ourselves.
This video definitely took a lot of effort
You just gained a sub my friend
Romans didn't take it from the greeks. They took it from the etruscans, who took it from the troians, who took it from the hittittes, who took it from the old assyrians, who took it from the sumerians. There it is :)
So much knowledge and wisdom in one video
about min 24 that fritz should have create an alliance because in a sense the many alliances during the time of the worldwars made the whole thing possible and not several small wars and your point was how we avoid the point were how we avoid our own destruction. also eren did not strike preemptively, he declared war seconds after tiburs delcaration of war and he waited in a place listening to his speech in the background. eren reaction was overblown but he always reacted to the aggression of others even the rumbling was started when marley attacked the island. in a sense erens aggression was justified and defensiv in nature but he lacked restrain which made it imoral. also i subcribed your channel is awesome
that's a very good point about Eren. Thank you for correcting me on that. and thank you for subscribing :)
@@PilgrimsPass that eren lacks restrain we can watch even from his childhood but since his abillity of destruction was limited ,and when he could titanshit his destructive nature got channeled into a constructive goal so he never had to work on this side until he became his own master (in a sense its an analogy to kids becoming young adults since they often to tend to life the extreme too when they become independant). i should have read the first part of first my comment again, its a grammatical mess due to several restructures of the sentences.
@@thanquolrattenherz9665so he was used as a tool, and when he became his own master he lost his sense of purpose and his rage became a danger to all?
I didn't expect to learn this much from an AoT video. Very nice
This is the one guy I've ever seen who legitimately gets to say "I have the power of God and anime on my side!"
This video was one of the best hours I've ever spent on RUclips. Thanks for this, Pilgrim
16:50 Holy hell. I suddenly appreciate the Eucharist so much more. I never saw it that way
this might be my favorite video essays of all time
I really like the Shrek metaphore
12:20 also the start of the first opening literally says „they are the food, no, we are the hunters“ in German
“Service and forgiveness is the way”.
So basically, Christianity for the win?
Well… all religions have some rule or suggestions to be kind and to be a hard worker, religions are flexible.
@@THECHEESELORD69Christianity made it a forefront of their religion though. Love and forgiveness is synonymous with Christianity for most peoples' minds
@@alejandromaldonado6159 they have built up some very good propaganda. That is for sure!
I have never subscribed to a channel so fast. Few people have achieved the level of historical and political understanding that you have achieved.
9:10 what fascinates me is that some humans seem to be more willing to kill other humans than they are animals.
Stumbled onto your channel. I have watched a few of your videos, and enjoyed them.
Please keep making these.
At 21 min in, I’m wondering how you would address the fact that while the Titans may represent the fear of the primal violence that is eating, the Titans themselves don’t need to eat to survive
But they do eat to escape suffering right? Trapped in a nightmare where the only way out, to come out on top, to be free, is to get a shifter's power
Probably because of the hidden layer of meaning behind them: that of unecessary cruelty, which isn't known to the viewers at that point.
@@heyitsjoshmusicare they sentient? I guess we will never truly know.
I am 2 videos deep into this channel and yet I don't think I've ever heard such nuanced views that resonate with my own as much as these.
You deserve more views and subscribers.
Jesus were also oppressed by Romans but instead of repeating the cycle he ended it by forgiveness and redemption
People hate jesus but Jesus was probably one of the nicest person you'll ever read. A good son to his parents, kind to his friends chose to give charity and befriended a whore which is unheard of for their standards of that time. His last words hurt a lot because despite treating his siblings and his kin with the good intentions yet no one came running tl save him from his pain. Id totally scream why has god forsaken me if I was the nicest person on earth like him and got executed for stupid reasons. Just why tho? Im not even religious but I did look up to jesus because he was a good man
Yet the people still hate Eachother proving jesus words that humanity is full of sins so god put his son to be our saviour.
Damn...
Jesus even asked God to forgive them for they didn't know what they were doing. Truly the Prince of Peace
guess what... you got a thumbs up .... good points in history, keep at it. Your sharing things that took time to figure out in the first place. But this connects lots of other dots going back generations upon generations.
God forgives your twisted sense of humour, for it is good.
The history lesson is fascinating, genuinely my favorite part of this video.
This is my favorite show. I think the wanting to punish generations for past sins of entire groups is the most accurate representation of how people are trying to weaponize guilt for being European/white. This show shows where that if we keep allowing kids to learn they are guilty for none of their own actions. It is a masterpiece. You only know as much as the main characters until season 4.
its not surprising to see more likes and the creator not liking this comment
the creator of the video is nothing better than zeke.... falling prey to the illusions of peaceful multicultural alliance and blind to the impacts it will have
@@eternalkino34 I don't take I personally and I know from the video he talks about the guilt being forced on people especially in Universities. I just think there are a lot of people that are looking at AOT in the simplified "Fascism" is the bad guy when it is authoritarianism by any human group that is the bad guy, fascism has just been drilled into our brains from a young age to be bad. I saw a youtuber call the government in the walls "Fascist" and I was like dude there was authoritarianism before the 1930s its called monarchy. It says something that before college I had never learned what happened in the USSR and China. Like starving out of the Ukrainians and other atrocities. It bothered me to the point where my entire political philosophy shifted over the course of a year or two.
Slightly unrelated, It's funny because Zootopia has the same theme and that's a kids movie. They Prey come to power and want to oppress the Predators.
@@eternalkino34 Also I am just using European/white as the most modern example of this. It could very well cycle to another group if there is a power shift which most people see coming in the East.
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Multicultural alliances with imperfections is WAY better than
LITERAL NUCLEAR GENOCIDE.
The anglosphere is guilty of the most horrific crimes humanity has ever committed wherever these people went tye native communities went extinct, killed en masse and then there were colonial empires, anglosphere and the europe in general will pay for their crimes against humanity its a cycle
10:11
.....What Pixis was saying about Titans being the instrument but not the cause abruptly makes a lot more sense now that I have THIS nugget of information....
You completely overlooked a lot Liberian history