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New Streetcars for Toronto
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- A sneak peak of Toronto's future streetcars.
Key features:
-100% low floor
-accessible from street
-twice as long as CLRV, 8 metres longer than ALRV
-Air-conditioned
It's almost a decade since the first of 204 of the new low-floor Flexity Outlook streetcars, manufactured by Bombardier (now Alstom) began to arrive and entered circulation. The new streetcars made their debut on the the "510 Spadina" route with its then newly refurbished tracks.
These new fully accessible Flexity Outlooks gradually replaced their predecessors the CLRV and ALRV streetcars. The new streetcars are the largest so far, and carry a lot more passengers including those with physical limitations.
An additional 60 of these new streetcars began entering circulation. This would eventually bring the total to 264 streetcars.
Nowadays, I don't miss the old CLRV and ALRV streetcars anymore, since I'm so accustomed to the Flexity Outlooks.
I don't know about the streetcar stops downtown...but I live in Scarborough... I see ZERO sense in the TTC buying "Low Floor" accessible vehicles if the City of Toronto refuses to properly clear the snow away from all TTC stops in the winter. Persons with mobility issues are actually expected to CLIMB a mound of snow at bus stops in Scarborough to get onto an "accessible" bus. Its not gotten any better after complaints to the TTC , the City of Toronto AND Mayor Tory! No one seems to have any idea how to deal with it.
is it just me, or are these streetcars getting more and more like low-floor
LRTs?
+Biggar's Science Guy Agreed.
Looking forward to riding the New Streetcars!! :P
Here's a tip, Don't drive and take the TTC. "The Better Way". Besides Toronto needs more cars off the roads.
You're right. Dozens to hundreds of streetcar islands will need to be widened and lengthened to accomodate these new streetcars. The current ones wont be able to fit a wheelchair/scooter
1) All-door-loading is an absolute must for these vehicles, regardless of what fare system is decided upon.
Firstly, it will (almost) replicate the efficiency of the subway boarding system.
Also, the floor aisle might be too narrow to comfortably accommodate passengers walking around inside the vehicle. Passengers should not be forced to walk a considerable distance inside the vehicle to reach a designated "exit" door, and should be allowed to exit the nearest door to them.
I use to take the old ttc streetcar but in years now I didn't take the new streetcar yet
2) Regarding fare gates on vehicles, the challenge is to keep them narrow enough to discourage fare-evaders trying to sneak past, but wide enough to remain accessible to passengers with mobility devices. Even assuming fully accessible faregates, riders would have to board and alight in single-file, and that can slow down the loading system considerably. Also, faregates would need a way to issue tickets to people paying by cash. since the on-board machine is no longer available.
Back in the late 1990s I used to draw what the new streetcars for the TTC would look like as well as my dream for a streetcar revival in Hamilton. What never occurred to me though was that in order to make the low floor arangement work you had to break the vehicle into pieces of bogie and bridge sections. I hope the new LRVs will be run in multiple unit on the busier routes and I hope further side orders are made so that streetcar service frequency can return to where it was back in the 1950s..
So I can just press the blue button and the ramp comes out? They are not LOW FLOOR when you enter from the street with no Island! They are so high to get on and off without using ramps!!!
Excellent tram presentation :o)
How the hell are these things going to work with the current streetcar islands?! They'll have to lengthen the islands on Queen, Spadina, Bathurst, St. Clair and any other street where there is a loading platform in the middle of the street.
Fare inspectors would carry portable card readers, and scan passenger's smart cards to see when a fare was paid.
That's how they do it in Los Angeles.
3) Also, the system you propose seems identical to what the TTC already uses, in through the front door, out through the back doors.
@yvoe9
I feel your concern. Fare Inspectors are critical, and I hope they can be employed in a cost-effective manner as well.
Due to very high fuel prices in Europe street cars never lost popularity and you already have this kind almost everywhere. In Europe you already have these kind for several years. And European buses have suspensions that prop them higher or lower them to the ground.
I don't think fare evasion will be an issue. We don't have enough faith in people nowadays. I've been to some other cities that have these style streetcars and from what I saw, everyone paid their fare
i certainly agree, even if you look at go transit, honour system goes pretty well, i think people realize that it comes out of everyones taxes if people dont pay. its the Public Chariot
They are way too long and will end up blocking intersections and causing gridlock with other cars who cannot pass them.
I would love to see these new streetcars run in trains. Sadly, I think the issue is the loop sizes on the existing system, where such trains may block the sidewalk or road. Trains would definitely be out of the question for the existing Union Station loop. The only time these would run in trains is during breakdowns, etc.
It's from a Barclay's Cycle Hire promotional video.
oh dear, this new light rail is gonna be hell LOOL
100% Standard in Germany
@yvoe9
That's an interesting idea, to incorporate gates on the vehicles themselves. I have thought about this myself, but here are some of the challenges (my full reply has been split up into different comments):
Anyone know what the theme is called starting at 1:45
I think the ttc should also get articulated buses
Hello from 2020 They now have articulated busses for now, which is the Nova bus artics.
@@SuperMatador50 Hello from 2020. I know that. My comment was from 2013 if you look. Also, the articulated buses are in the GTA not downtown Toronto or anywhere near Toronto.
Would hate to see what happens when it snows!
I think that's what they're doing now.
RIP 1811
@@julianlucas8189 idk
I am so excited for the new ones the older ones. Are retro, they have character but it is time for change.
Strange O-o
guys thay have a new subway line 5 :D
No they don't
@@MarcusCollins69 it coming in 2 year
@@jackpausner5593 it's also not a subway
It's going to be a LRT
It's going to run across eglinton above ground
@@MarcusCollins69 I mean still its consider a subway.
@@jackpausner5593 subway: an underground electric railroad.
Thats european style design
Ah