Why does this voicing feel so good? (IG live interview with Jacob Collier)
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- This short clip is drawn from a recent IG live interview/conversation (12/3/2021) I had with Jacob that discussed all things related to harmony and the "Songs of Jacob Collier" project.
Why do you think this voicing feels so good? Hmm...
I've always loved those kind of slash voicings, it feels so much more open and broad as a sus2 sound. I feel like the structure of the harmonic series definitely has a big factor in that sound, since you are replacing a -14 cent deviation with a +2 cent deviation, it just sounds much purer - it feels like painting with less contrast and broader strokes, therefore allowing it to be used in more contexts because that structure is ultimately more willing to be shaped by the notes around it (most importantly bass notes as Jacob was demonstrating) / more easily taking on the role of being color tones.
Damn that’s actually a really interesting way to analyze it! I was thinking that on top of having a triad, the major 7th interval makes the voicing really pop while still maintaining a bright characteristic, which is why it’s able to fit into so many things
2:25 that chord is especially cool because it has a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th all in one chord
The Maj7sus2 ist THE Genesis chord, so much used by the band and especially Tony Banks in the time from 1972 to 1981. You guys know the tasteful richness of the harmonies of that band?
1:29 Jacob Collier italian reveal 😳
Messiaen likes to use that Set so much! It’s called the “adding notes” in his musical terms.
Cool! It's like a elegantly hidden third
nice to see you are still making videos. I found your old warcraft 3 piano covers back in 2008 lol, kind of blew my mind to see what you are up to now
Aww, how good it is to see your channel again, I still remember when I saw "The Titans (Ulduar)" for the first time back in 2013, it is definitely my favorite video!
he did not have to dunk that hard at the end bro that shit was the last nail in the coffin for 3rds 💀
Russell Ferrante and the 11th’s used as 1 sub. Love it.
Jacob Collier와 협업하는 한국인이 있다니 정말이지 너무나도 자랑스럽습니다. 이제서라도 이준님을 알게되어서 영광이고 앞으로의 음악생활에도 큰 축복이 있길 기도하겠습니다 :D
Thanks very much! Is this entire interview available? It's great to eavesdrop on the two of you! Thank you again!
The second last track on clown core's van ends with a similar feeling, which is fascinating. But they "resolve" it with a third and that sounds good.
2:31 Yes, when you invert it, it has every 12edo interval except the tritone in it, wow
" Why would that Be?"' These two are so "warm and lovely".
Love the nerdy music chat
maj7sus2 is my all time fav chord and has been for years, it's just the best
My favorite chord, but that's no secret. The other thing about it is the major 3rd is actually adding a minor interval up to the 5th which I think is detracting from the major tonality than just having it as 1257 which as JC says, is a major triad 1 step brighter than the root with the root in it, so with the 3rd taken out you have what I'd call an actually more major sounding chord than with the 3rd in the chord, how about that. Also the only remotely "minor" interval there is the 4th interval between the 2nd to 5th which is 2 steps brighter than the 3rd-5th as a minor 3rd, so really the whole 1257 chord is sounding more major than a 1357, and with that, the 2nd to 7th is brighter than a 3rd to 5th also as a 6th interval.
To me this further reinstates the notion than the 2nd is a major interval and not a neutral one. Even 125 on its own sounds major or "half major" to me, similar to 1569, and I think the harmonic series would agree.
As it's pointed out below it's also more in tune, so in 12TET the major 7th is still +14 relative to the 5th at -2, but +12 instead of +14 to the root, also the Root to 2nd is now -4 instead of +14 from Root to 3rd, and therefore 2nd to 5th is +2 instead of -2 in Just Intonation. So the sus2 part is better tuned to the harmonic series overall, just like a sus4 chord, or 1457, same thing going on. It's funny cuz an out of tune major triad still exists in the chord but just shifting it the next step brighter adds all the wonder.
jacob collier is like really good at music and really really smart
Absolutely lovely! Please upload the whole thing if possible!!
Also for the bass note, you just change the note from the root(?) to the fifth lower, if I got that correctly? (sounded very warm when jacob played it)
That's right - so if you're playing some kind of C major thingy, you'd add an F in the bass. Jacob has talked about this before in a slightly less compact way. I think it was in part 2 or part 3 of his interviews with June from a few years ago.
noone gonna talk about the guy in the chat going jacob spit in my mouth? xD
"the 3rd is also out of tune, it's cooler when it's not" ~ Jacob
0:50 reminds me of a song "Movie" from the "And Yet its All Love" album by Fatima. I think it was produced by Knxwledge or he at least used the melody in an instrumental I can't find at the moment.
I wonder how much richer that melody could sound using that sus2
Hi Jun. Would be amazing if you can transcribe the video where Jacob and Herbie talks jazz
I love playing a minor penta over a major dominant chord. Thats another way to break through the min/maj polarity. Or play the scale I.E in D F F# G# A B C# D. You can play both D major and minor, throw in that juicy #4th. I feel like thats the only scale that has every chord color. Is it a mode of the harmonic major scale?
The last point is the best imo.
Major thirds should be the most peaceful interv besides the fourth and fifth and octave. Best played or sung by instruments that can adjust. No one will complain if they hear a justly tuned major third every now and again!
I was surprised to see that someone (spikeborg) had the album cover of Man Alive by King Krule as their profile picture.
This 4 note voicing is the key signature sound of many of the brilliant compositions by Russ Ferrante, from YellowJackets. If you don't know him, run and find his music!!! He's a version of Jacob, but don't jam one single song with too many brilliant ideas at once.
That chord has every major interval except octave
broooo 🌹
2:45 - Live chat getting raunchy.
Generous of you to share this. Thank you June.
So why? Why 1257?
I’ve noticed what will end up being the next step forward in the evolution of harmony as it is experienced by the general public. Unison to Gregorian chants to triadic to… but while academics pushed harmony, supposedly forward, society - the actual culture of our times - has rejected harmonies that stepped up the harmonic sequence too rapidly. I believe that when the future looks back that it will find that these current years the third is being messed with in a way that is exciting to our ears but as a spice, not a staple. The first time I saw this was a no-third add9 or add2. That was an innocuous and pleasant one like a palette cleanser. When I started hearing 1345 or 145+10 then that was when I heard the next evolutionary step. But 1257 is so compelling that I think the step is the common element in all of these, namely, altering the third. Society is bored with the ubiquity of the third.
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Great!
Hey June, how do I get in contact with you?
It feels delicious
AND nutritious
It feels devious.
AND mischievous. 😈
I can no longer tolerate RUclips's business model, not to mention how frequently it keeps me awake past my bedtime. Is there anywhere else could follow your work?
In my opinion because I study the Barry Harris method I think this fits well because of the same reason he always says to play a g major 6th diminished chord over AC major 7. Even when adding the 6th of the g major 7 which is the third of c major 7 one can use the diminished of the g major 7 on the upbeats to use the very Harris style passing tone tonalities which all work because of the diminished chords that they share in common interesting stuff to check out on the deeper level
is it just me or does Isus2 almost sound more resolved than Imaj
Copeland used it to great effect for what is now a cliché American sound
Isn't that what Steely Dan called the Mu-major chord? they used it all over the place.
Mu major typically would have the third as well
I consider myself a reasonably bright guy and I have a Doctorate in Music from the Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University...
My RUclips comment to this Jacob Collier + June Lee video is... Ummm... WUT??? :-O
You better aks somebody!
Coz of 4th interval between 5th G? Maj7 and 3rd omitted root sounds ok due to 4th interval
Cushie💙
Yes! Thirds are out of tune! Harshes the mellow.
I like rootless voicings like EABDG... Implies a Cmaj9, but sans C!
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3:28 get thirds to disappear
Listen to Appalachian Spring. Thank me later
I'm going to have to disagree with Jacob on this one. I low-key hate 3rd-less voicings. Church musicians do this all the time, and it just tilts me the wrong way. It's so unsatisfying for me. Now I'm not saying I just want to hear triads all day - I'm all about complexity. Something about sus2 voicing though are... sus idk
Ok so get rid of the third. Got it
But have you practiced your 4 scales of chords
Man, I disagree with lots of things here….. I love the Cmaj7 chord, think it’s very versatile and emotional. Csus2maj7 (G/C) is an ambiguous disruptive chord, should rarely be used, unless trying to show off. Rules should only be broken sparingly, otherwise you get a bunch of weird music that stand out for being different other than good. Also C slightly out of tune is an excuse/ bragging, or you should never use C and E together. And what does it mean Csus2maj7 sounds good because it has more space… 1267 has even more space, doesn’t mean it’s good. Csus2maj7 sounds like the mud on the road after rain, it has its places, but Cmaj7 is a much moderate chord.