TL;DR - We can learn the following things from this experiment: A) Caps are generated once every 24 in-game hours. Fast traveling, waiting, and sleeping do not count. B) Having at least one level 4 shop in your settlement will generate 50 caps a day. C) Having MORE than one level 4 shop in a settlement will NOT generate more than 50 caps a day. In this example, I had well over 10 active shops. Still only 50 caps. D) Shops do NOT require un-assigned settlers to generate caps. Shops will generate the same amount of caps whether your settlers are assigned or not assigned. E) The amount of caps your shops produce is NOT influenced by the number of settlers you have. A settlement with 1 assigned shop and 5 settlers will produce the same amount of caps (50) as a settlement with 15 shops and 36 settlers. F) The happiness of your settlement appears to have no impact. Granted, I only tested this with settlements at 77 happiness and above. I don't know if extremely low settlement happiness has any impact or not.
+ClassyManIAm Great bit of analysis of the game mechanics. There I was slower growing numerous settlements populations, in the hope of a good revenue stream later on in the game. Now I can just focus on jet production to gain funds. Fantastic work.
The way supply lines work is that each workshop only shows the resources in that particular settlement. When you use supply lines between settlements, those resources are only pooled when you try to build things. For example if you have 66 wood in Sanctuary Hills and 10 wood in Red Rocket, workshop in Sanctuary shows 66 wood and Red Rocket shows 10 wood. But when you go to either and you try to build something, it will show you have 76 wood.
So all you need is at least 1 shop at level 4, with 1 NPC running it. Does the shop need to be level 4? Because those need a thousand or 2 just to build :/. Pretty useless if you're building for just the caps.
Jolan XBL There are no level 4 shops you can build. The most you can build is level 3. Certain shops become level 4 shops when they have specific NPC's working them, but you just assign the certain NPC to the corresponding Emporium they are good at and thus the Emporium becomes level 4. If you are building shops for the caps you need to understand it is a long term investment, maybe making like 50 caps per day per settlement. That doens't sound like a lot but if you build the shops t hen go and play throuhg a few quests or dungeon crawls time i game will pass fairly quickly and you will stack up the caps. Also the shops in your settlements allow you to sell things to them too, so if you have a bunch of stuff, aid, junk, weapons, etc that you don't want and for whatever reason don't wan to scrap you can sell them to the shops in your settlements. You could even do the purified water trick, and sell purifiedwaters to your shops. Shops are a long term cap generator, not a short term one. They will eventually pay for themselves, but it will take a while in game to do so.
@@outrageousvideosxd5038 If you have multiple settlements with businesses you will gain thousands of caps just wandering around. I have a survival playthrough with donut shops in 14 settlements so far. Altogether they generate 700 caps an in-game day. I find 500 to 1000 caps in settlements often when I arrive to save at a bed. Been out of the vault 300 days and so far have collected 1.9 million caps (this includes selling items/ammo and finding caps of course). Poor Shaun... I'll probably never find him. At least I have donuts.
@@outrageousvideosxd5038 Thanks! The Slocum's Joe and Arcade sets were released a while back and it occurred to me that the wasteland needs donuts, coffee, and video games... Also, the caps don't hurt. The best part is all the hilarious building, like turning the Castle into Slocum Joe's HQ location and dressing up Preston as the Vice President of the company. I even gave the Railroad another hidden base under a donut shop(secret elevator in the employee lounge with a hidden switch to a powered door that is also well hidden), and put Deacon down there with some temp lodging for synths and a reconstructive surgeon and barber. Running around as a crazy business tycoon followed by an AI-controlled pink sprinkle power armor and Curie in a Hot Rodder shirt and jeans has been my favorite playthrough so far.
I build tons of large water purifiers at my settlements and in 24 hours I get like 400 water at about 10 locations, at 15 caps each you can clean out all vendors in the commonwealth and enables you to buy shipments instead of scavenging and buy any weapon and endless ammo.
Yeah, my Minuteman faction distributes clean water to the Commonwealth 😇 And produces/distributes an unholy amount of jet, but we don't focus on that part...
When you found out there were no caps after 24 hours you should`ve equipped Lucille and went " I thought we had an understanding..." while slowly walking up the stairs leading to the main building.
@Indonesian Sasquatch - ha ha, very funny, i get this reference, this is a reference from that the walking dead show, Neegan had a baseball bat named Lucille. Also you really could do this in the game and not even have from a mod, just get a baseball bat and you can even give your weapons custom names in this game. If i was to do a evil playthough this would be a really cool idea to do in the game. Howard scott warshaw a game maker once had a bullwhip when he was making that raiders of the lost ark, he said it was for R and D, but told them jokingly it was for (research and discipline ). Hey game programmers i thought we had a understanding i told you guys not to make a big shitty game (* prepares to crack whip).
Generally I've made far more caps scavenging and trading then I have thru settlements. After 250 hours of game play I finally started creating stores in settlements. SOME of the stores are very useful in trading with yourself. For instance the shop that is labeled "General Trader" can have several hefty 'shipments" in them, so I don't have to wait for other vendors around the map to get their supplies again, plus I get all of their 600 - 800 caps selling off the armor/weapons I've scavenged off my kills. SO MANY ways to play this amazing game. I'm currently over 300 hours in and at level 98. IDK about you guys but I'm constantly creating ballistic weave clothing and head wear for my settlement guards and provisioners, plus giving them the better weapons I find on my kills. I don't use any of the power armor at all for myself. Sanctuary has a good dozen power armor suits just sitting there rusting. lol! AND thank you for the great vids, I'm learning lots! Thumbs up!
Also, another aside: I remember coming back once to The Castle and I have my shops in the hallway by the workbench; where the two shops I removed were I replaced with park benches and the food shop is at the end of the hall to the left in one of the big rooms and after gardening work and the other shops close that one stays open and I see almost everyone going to that 'restaurant' I created in there. Some sitting at the park benches I put in there, too, others standing in line. It was cool to see that. Down the hall from there I have in one of the empty rooms with the three sinks a bathroom. I put three toilets on each side and a partition in the middle with paintings hanging up and a small table with a vase sitting on it, on each side. Just outside I have on the archways a men's sign and on the opposite a woman's sign and I have seen men use the one side designated for men and women using the one designated for them. Also cool.
The normal cap method I use does benefit from multiple types of stores in one settlement. This is by selling mass produced water or crops to your own stores. You do need to visit the settlements to access their local workshop cloud to get the materials. This also makes raids more likely so it is recommended to do this at only a few of your high defense settlements.
This answered so many of my questions, I’ve never done settlements and I’m doing it now. I’ve always just blasted through missions and left all the resources at red and then stopped playing after max level lol
Am I the only one who's crazy enough to decorate the shops with OCD? I mean filling every shelve and put stuff on the desk, etc. Edit: I meant the mod, OCDecorator. At the time, i didn't know it was a pun and OCD in reality is a mental disorder, thanks for the replies of people with that condition nonetheless.
Does this mod stop shit from falling off when its in place? I can place things relatively easy, although time consuming in the base game, however i fast travelled back to red rocket yesterday and alot of the shit was on the floor beneath the shelf i placed them on. I did get attacked by robots at the time so maybe they hit them all off but they were exactly the way i organised them just on the floor lol.
yes, because you can convert every object that you want into "static mesh" (physics doesn't aplly). the mod is called oc decorator, you can craft those items if you already have a real one or convert the one you have into static. Only use this mod if you want a real "specific" placement of your objects like "yes, i want this cigrrette box to be here above the table on the left, and then this beatufill glass beside". And if you are not interested in a hardcore personalized placements of your objects you have other mods like "do it yourshelf" where you have in a new category, empty shelves and other category for itemes already converted into static mesh that can fit and snap into those empty shelves. For example a basket with some weapons, folded clothes and armor ready to snap into those shelves, and many more... kitchen objets, ammo, helmets.... i use this mod it's add some inmersion lore friendly to a guard post or the workshops. There is another one that iirc is called creative clutter that offers the same but with some other objects like functionals kitchens or fridge with items inside my english is a mess, sorry! but i hope this could help you man
I mean the settlers aren't working the whole 24 hours. They do stop working and wander about throughout the day and in the evening they do go and hang out at the bar if you have one otherwise they will go an rest on a chair for an hour or 2 then sleep
Thank you Mr Oxhorn for taking the time and going to the effort to run this exercise. As usual your presentations are efficacious in their capacity to both educate and entertain.
Tip for money-making. Make Chems and sell them. Give you XP and caps. Better than purified water, though of course the PW is active even when you are not around.
he sure is he formulates hypothesis and then gets to work performing experiments to test the hypothesis and thus in the end of the video learns new things, this is the scientific method. so yeah Oxhorn really is a fallout 4 scientist.
Great vids from 4 years ago watched a lot of them in between playing fallout 4, have only played twice but never utilized settlements other than getting minimum minutemen support
Also I think this was very well done with a use of the scientific methodology, so I would not argue with the results. This is also very good information in general as now I will only asign one settler to scrapping unless there are no other jobs to asign to. This is very helpful.
Thanks Oxhorn! I had no idea about the component view of my junk! Sweet! And of course having your settlers employed generates caps, I mean they need jobs to earn the caps to spend them, it may be a fake one but it still is an economy. :)
You are the only one who shows the most needed Information, this knowledge will help create efficiency and reduce settlers for fps also means they get sent to other settlements. One scrap station per settlement, though I wander if the amount of stores matters, you had at least 5 stores and gained 50 caps.
Great video man, it felt like you slowly but surely unraveled the mystery witch was really interesting to watch :D I also spoiled myself for the weekend by getting a bunch of different ciggars and a single malt whiskey, So sheers mate!
There really is no reason to do this when you can just sell water. I have 3 industrial water generators at my base so I get 90 water basicly every time I check my workbench. I have never seen it go past 100 so I assume that is a sort of cap. However I can abuse the shit out of it. Step 1: Build the 3 industrial water purifiers. Step 2: Wait long enough that you produce 90 water. Step 3: Fast travel to Diamond City and sell it all for about 1000 caps. Step 4: Fast travel back to your settlement, the time you took fast traveling should have been enough to produce another 90. Step 5: Repeat steps 3 and 4 as long as you like to get crap tons of caps. You can use your own shops in your settlement to maximize the value of the water but you have to wait in a chair with that method and invest heavily into 2 perks.
Well, the only thing shops have over water is that money piles up, water needs to be collected before you can have another batch. But yeah, shops are pretty underwhelming.
I got about 10-15 at The Castle, everytime I check the workbench, there are about 400-600, worth more than 10k caps. Of course I could do it only with Vault-Tec Workshop (it's reactors are better than original generators) and Place Everywhere (maybe I could place more purifier on the shoreside, but I just put all of them in one place, at the first purifier's place)
Here I am playing Fallout 4 while listening to this, meanwhile I'm still in a state of pure mind blow from when I saw that someone on Twitter suggested that "The Last Jedi" is plural.
Awesome. Thanks for doing this experiment, really useful info to have. Could you try assigning all but one scavenging station and seeing how much scrap is generated? Thanks!
Very interesting I use Scavenging stations as a means of adding extra patrols to my current settlement at Starlight Drive-in. I have used the barn foundation to make walls similar to the city of Highbourne from the old PS2 game Everquest Online Adventures. Well I definitely learned something new and at level 52 I will finally have level 4 shops. On another note I wonder if Scavenging stations can be rug glitched into foundation walls to give the impression that settlers are repairing the walls?
One benefits I found out about shops and supply lines is after you have shops and don't loot the caps for awhile they add up nice!y. Then when you build shops in new settlements, the caps cost comes from the workshop and nothing comes out of your pocket
I know this video is now many years old, in 2022! But, I just felt I could add my input here, anyhow, as I think this may be relevant! The way I have handled my settlements, from the very FIRST settlement I managed, was to ALWAYS INSURE that every single member of each settlement was in fact ASSIGNED A FUNCTION. I don't know, it's just me being my OCD self, I guess... Now, after having made that point clear, I just always KNEW that shops generated income, with all settlers assigned. Because my settlements ALWAYS made caps! So, it really never occurred to me to even IMAGINE that a settlement might actually "require" an unassigned settler to make the settlement shops function as an income source! Quite the contrary, I would have felt the exact opposite to be the case... So, I guess what I'm saying is - If one plays the game, as I always imagined it was INTENDED to be played, by the game designers, one would really never have a reason to wonder if unassigned settlers were actually necessary...for me, players SHOULD somehow "feel the need" to insure settlers are in fact being put to good use within their settlements! That is just how I see it, of course. Where, then, I find myself asking, did you come up with that idea??? It seems a little "counter-intuitive", to say the least, what you presumed would actually be the case; why would anyone THINK unassigned settlers would help a settlement produce income? What is the "logical" basis for the belief? This is, in my mind, the very definition of a FREELOADER, and thus should be a BURDEN, rather than any type of BENEFIT, to a settlement. I'm just curious as to what the FOUNDATION for your belief was, as it is interesting to me that such a belief should actually have sounded "reasonable" to a gamer with the large amount of gaming experience, such as you, possess! What prompted you to think unassigned settlers were necessary? Were you TOLD this? Did you read it somewhere? Or was it just a belief mistakenly made, without outside input? Again, I'm simply curious, is all... It is to me very interesting how erroneous beliefs become generally accepted, in some cases. I know this idea would NEVER have occurred to me on MY own, but, again, it's simply how I come at the game with a bit of an OCD nature! But I can also see how, if I were to READ this, somewhere and from someone I felt should actually KNOW about these types of things, that I might also carry this idea. I just couldn't help but notice that you seemed realistically SHOCKED by the fact that an unassigned settler was NOT necessary, causing me a bit of a chuckle. No, I wasn't LAUGHING at you, it just seemed funny that when finding that out, you didn't seem to feel it was in any way "obvious", all along!!! I guess it comes down to the way different people perceive the same situation... In closing, I love all of your content, You do a very fine job, your speaking voice is very easy to listen to, and each video I have watched has always been interesting, informational and very humorous as well! Keep up the excellent work!
Ok, I just had to subscribe, after watching 10+ nicely done videos while I work (Erm, listen to...). I love that it's not a ridiculous, over-excited channel, with silly BS every two seconds. Well done sir.
I made Sanctuary my capitol, my adhesives farm, and my water farm, red rocket is my gunner farm, abernathy is secondary source for adhesive farming, then I have tenpines, the drive in, outpost zimonga, and greygarden set up just for population and defense. I didnt intend of having more than three or four as I am playing survival. Red Rocket attracts pairs of gunners every so often, I often find them dead on the road just past the bridge when I leave sanctuary. I now generate more water than I can sell, even when purchasing all the junk and shipments from Carla and my lvl 4 general store. That being said, my melee based power armor wearing character is lvl 82 and we have not yet gone after Kellog, started nuka world, ended the robot plague (I didnt want to start that one, but I came across the ambush site and it started.... didnt need those random encounters when I carry just a baseball bat...). Prolly the most rewarding and fun run through in my 4 thousand plus hours of playing fallout. Start with 9 charisma, 9 luck, some strength and agility. Then go for it! P.S. SO much more fun with Oxhorn's insights, breakdowns, and examples.
(Sorry i’m really bored, but you don’t have to read all of this but please read the top) I feel so bad that you wrote all of that and it will probably never get the likes it deserves because this video is 8 years old but hopefully it dose. Ps idk if you said your doing this but I might as well tell you about it anyways if you have the nuka-word dlc you can do these two thing I know of, to get a good amount of caps for minimum effort, you can go though the whole thing/main quest and then set up some raider settlements Im pretty sure you have to take over three and then you need to talk/forcing a segment into supplying you, you need a couple of those then you get like 200-300 caps a day/24 hours and there is a room on the look out thing and there’s a bed that’s you can sleep to fast forward the 24 hours then you get the 200-300 caps and rinse and repeat. the second thing you can do while you do the first thing you can make like ten of these cems dispenser and it will give you 1-3 cems a day, times that by ten thenI will be 10-30 cems a day and then you go sell them and then you’re a millionaire just like that, also thank you so much if you read all of my yapping
Not sure if it works the same way in F4, but in some older bethesda titles proximity to the area also plays a part in a lot of these sorts of things. For example, you can wait in an area indefinitely (both normally and using the timer) and loot will never recycle. Once you leave the map cell though, it doesn't matter how you wait as long as you've waited the set amount of time.
Hey Ox, when you have spare time could you go through and find all of the uniquely named settlers and make a video? What im meaning by unique is named settlers that arnt the level 4 traders, the survivors of Quincy for example, and Sturgis. If you could posibly do this then go over how to get them all that would be so helpful for me.
13:20 "All unemployed settlers will collect one random junk item per day, which is automatically added to the workshop inventory. A settler assigned to a scavenging station will instead collect two random junk items per day. Once the total number of junk items (including crafting components) in the workshop reaches 100 + (population × 5), no more junk items will be added to the workshop in either case." -fallout 4 wiki
When you say per day, do you mean things like wait/sleep 24h or actually playing for 24 in-game hours? Also if I have, lets say 10 settlers and 150 (100 + 10*5) wood, I will not get any more junk from scavenging ?
@@SquallSf Besheda's being stingy smh. Still, the benefit is being able to sell stuff and weapons you find in the wasteland, and buy stuff you actually need.
Oxhorn I recently got fallout 4 ANF thank you for making this video because I thought the more shops you have the more caps you make and ik now that all the shops I made was kinda of a waste of caps and building material
How did you get colored player and quest markers when you`ve got the Satellite pip boy map installed ? The .ini code it uses makes it so that all the markers are white. Please.. It`s impossible to find my destination.
:O !!!!! The lab beaker 3d model is missing... is this normal for the game or what??? I don't understand.... My 3d models for these transparent items are missing too.
Hey Oxhorn. I was follow you since WOW days and im glad i see you getting in Fallout 4. I just got in to it and i have been using your videos as guides for many topics on the game. But after seeing this video i wonder if you have already make a video about all the stuff you have learn of your experiments of how different mechanics of the game really works. I mean you explain that in many videos you have but what i see here you correct many things you tough how it works with evidence and experiments. Would be great if you make a video with all this updated knowledge you have about the mechanics. It would be great. Thanks for your work keep on.
I've got another question does it matter what kind of shop you build? For example does building the most upgraded general goods store provide the same amount of caps as the cheapest to build standard general goods store or do they make more?
I love your videos. Because of your videos I've been exploring more places in the Commonwealth. Btw did you do a video on the Prost Bar. Very interesting place.
May I ask what mods you use for the neat inventory and icons next to them. I have taken a detailed look at your google doc, but I cant find anything related to the inventory or looting or categories.
I'm curious if this happens at each and every settlement you have. Essentially, if you have them all linked and set up each one with a scavenge station and a store, would you then generate x50 caps PER settlement in 24 hours? Likewise with junk/components.
Now if you have supply lines the caps from different settlements should pile together right? The same way resources do. And does investing the 500 caps with that one perk actually do anything?
How does your settlement keep producing caps and stacking up? For example mine usually brings in 150 caps and it never gives more till I collect it, never pilling up. Same with purified water ect.
Interesting observation. You can't have multiples of a given shop in a given settlement. The game will generate all the stands you want, and you can assign settlers to all of them, but there will be a single shared pool of caps/goods between all of them. So, if you buy/sell until, say, trader 1 has 10 caps left and you've got all of his junk, when you visit trader 2, he'll have 10 caps in his inventory, and no junk.
It seems the best way to make more money from shops and scrapping (if it is possible to connect the two methods) is to have a shop and a scrapping function in every settlement and build as many settlements as possible.
On my best play through, I made over 20,000 CAPS and had shops at all my settlements, except the farms with only two or three people, or Hangman’s Alley. My most profitable shops where Starline drive in and sunshine tidings.
Now is it 24 hours without traveling or waiting completely or is it where, if you play 12 in game hours and take 12 hours of fast traveling does it pause at 12 hours and continue or reset completely?
Thats a sweet settlement never been there yet. I like settlments that have strong concret buildings with no holes in the roof ! safe ! warm ! and dry ! take a rest from the hells of the wasteland lol
they screwed you over with the island you should be able to build way more than what you can do without using mods it's big enough to build a place twice the size of diamond City
I know this vid is over 3 years old now but my settlements generate far more than 50 caps per shop per day. The number of shops does affect how many caps are generated. Also having top level shops returns bigger revenue.
This makes me think of some player's lament that the settlement system isn't as in-depth as they'd like. I mean, it would make sense if the caps you made was related to, not just how many shops you had, but the quality of shops and how connected your settlements were. Maybe it would make the configuration of the trade routes have an effect. But alas, this was more or less a side activity that has become really popular. Who knows, maybe they'll make a whole game about it someday. Kind of like a cross between sim city and a strategy battle game?
Disthron I wouldn't be surprised if they have this in the next Fallout game, or even TES. Just with more depth Not to mention modders will probably improve on it
TL;DR - We can learn the following things from this experiment:
A) Caps are generated once every 24 in-game hours. Fast traveling, waiting, and sleeping do not count.
B) Having at least one level 4 shop in your settlement will generate 50 caps a day.
C) Having MORE than one level 4 shop in a settlement will NOT generate more than 50 caps a day. In this example, I had well over 10 active shops. Still only 50 caps.
D) Shops do NOT require un-assigned settlers to generate caps. Shops will generate the same amount of caps whether your settlers are assigned or not assigned.
E) The amount of caps your shops produce is NOT influenced by the number of settlers you have. A settlement with 1 assigned shop and 5 settlers will produce the same amount of caps (50) as a settlement with 15 shops and 36 settlers.
F) The happiness of your settlement appears to have no impact. Granted, I only tested this with settlements at 77 happiness and above. I don't know if extremely low settlement happiness has any impact or not.
+ClassyManIAm Great bit of analysis of the game mechanics. There I was slower growing numerous settlements populations, in the hope of a good revenue stream later on in the game. Now I can just focus on jet production to gain funds. Fantastic work.
+The Boss No, each shop workbench will only report its own caps. So you'll never open up a workbench and see scrap or caps from other settlements.
The way supply lines work is that each workshop only shows the resources in that particular settlement. When you use supply lines between settlements, those resources are only pooled when you try to build things.
For example if you have 66 wood in Sanctuary Hills and 10 wood in Red Rocket, workshop in Sanctuary shows 66 wood and Red Rocket shows 10 wood. But when you go to either and you try to build something, it will show you have 76 wood.
So all you need is at least 1 shop at level 4, with 1 NPC running it. Does the shop need to be level 4? Because those need a thousand or 2 just to build :/. Pretty useless if you're building for just the caps.
Jolan XBL There are no level 4 shops you can build. The most you can build is level 3. Certain shops become level 4 shops when they have specific NPC's working them, but you just assign the certain NPC to the corresponding Emporium they are good at and thus the Emporium becomes level 4.
If you are building shops for the caps you need to understand it is a long term investment, maybe making like 50 caps per day per settlement. That doens't sound like a lot but if you build the shops t hen go and play throuhg a few quests or dungeon crawls time i game will pass fairly quickly and you will stack up the caps.
Also the shops in your settlements allow you to sell things to them too, so if you have a bunch of stuff, aid, junk, weapons, etc that you don't want and for whatever reason don't wan to scrap you can sell them to the shops in your settlements.
You could even do the purified water trick, and sell purifiedwaters to your shops.
Shops are a long term cap generator, not a short term one. They will eventually pay for themselves, but it will take a while in game to do so.
I actually never thought you had to have an unassigned settler. Just because at night, everybody quits and goes to the bar.
Bryce Cage I'm so bummed out now, because it would feel so emersive if you generate so many caps from everyone hitting the bar...
Princess Lucina bro it's immersive, not emersive. I k ow your posts are a year old but damn illiteracy is annoying.
Don't have a k ow man.
Scallie *know
@@scallie6462 ha in your stinking face
7yrs later these videos still come in handy 😊
I wonder is it all still accurate or are these mechanics updated or changed on current gen version.
@@brandonscott6606 From what Ive seen it seems to remain this way
I know right!
I’m curious about that junk video, I wonder if he made it
Step 1: Write "Bar" on a wooden shack.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.
Phase 1: Steal underpants
Phase 2:
Phase 3: Profit
@@rand0m88 I tried that, just ended up in prison...
Because you're not an underpants gnome@@DiogenesDworkinson
@@macandrews9548 You cannot prove that!
50 whole caps... Damn bro, you'll be a billionaire in like 500 more years.
That gives me a idea the speed up time mod or sum
@@outrageousvideosxd5038 If you have multiple settlements with businesses you will gain thousands of caps just wandering around. I have a survival playthrough with donut shops in 14 settlements so far. Altogether they generate 700 caps an in-game day. I find 500 to 1000 caps in settlements often when I arrive to save at a bed. Been out of the vault 300 days and so far have collected 1.9 million caps (this includes selling items/ammo and finding caps of course). Poor Shaun... I'll probably never find him. At least I have donuts.
SpacePirateLord omg You are a genius 😂😂👌
@@outrageousvideosxd5038 Thanks! The Slocum's Joe and Arcade sets were released a while back and it occurred to me that the wasteland needs donuts, coffee, and video games... Also, the caps don't hurt. The best part is all the hilarious building, like turning the Castle into Slocum Joe's HQ location and dressing up Preston as the Vice President of the company. I even gave the Railroad another hidden base under a donut shop(secret elevator in the employee lounge with a hidden switch to a powered door that is also well hidden), and put Deacon down there with some temp lodging for synths and a reconstructive surgeon and barber.
Running around as a crazy business tycoon followed by an AI-controlled pink sprinkle power armor and Curie in a Hot Rodder shirt and jeans has been my favorite playthrough so far.
@@SpacePirateLord lmao you sir, a damn capitalist hahaha
I build tons of large water purifiers at my settlements and in 24 hours I get like 400 water at about 10 locations, at 15 caps each you can clean out all vendors in the commonwealth and enables you to buy shipments instead of scavenging and buy any weapon and endless ammo.
Yes…this. The water dealing business 🎉
Yeah, my Minuteman faction distributes clean water to the Commonwealth 😇
And produces/distributes an unholy amount of jet, but we don't focus on that part...
@@technicolorskies5432 I had a character named Tuco a while back.. nobody moved jet in the south valley but him.
When you found out there were no caps after 24 hours you should`ve equipped Lucille and went " I thought we had an understanding..." while slowly walking up the stairs leading to the main building.
@Indonesian Sasquatch - ha ha, very funny, i get this reference, this is a reference from that the walking dead show, Neegan had a baseball bat named Lucille.
Also you really could do this in the game and not even have from a mod, just get a baseball bat and you can even give your weapons custom names in this game.
If i was to do a evil playthough this would be a really cool idea to do in the game.
Howard scott warshaw a game maker once had a bullwhip when he was making that raiders of the lost ark, he said it was for R and D, but told them jokingly it was for (research and discipline ). Hey game programmers i thought we had a understanding i told you guys not to make a big shitty game (* prepares to crack whip).
I almost blew my coffee across the room when I read that, LMAO!! very funny!
Dafuq
Just stand outside your settlement, hit your gate with Lucille "little pig little pig... Let. Me. In.
NO exceptions.
One of my friends didn't know this and he has been playing for 1k hours and when he went to check how much caps he had he got well over 100k xD
Well i have about 400 hours logged, and I didn't even know I could collect caps or junk from the workshop. I guess you could say I've been informed!
same.
benjamin S your an idiot then lol
why am i not an idiot Shane Parker?
Just a Planet because you're just a planet.
HA.
Generally I've made far more caps scavenging and trading then I have thru settlements. After 250 hours of game play I finally started creating stores in settlements. SOME of the stores are very useful in trading with yourself. For instance the shop that is labeled "General Trader" can have several hefty 'shipments" in them, so I don't have to wait for other vendors around the map to get their supplies again, plus I get all of their 600 - 800 caps selling off the armor/weapons I've scavenged off my kills. SO MANY ways to play this amazing game. I'm currently over 300 hours in and at level 98.
IDK about you guys but I'm constantly creating ballistic weave clothing and head wear for my settlement guards and provisioners, plus giving them the better weapons I find on my kills. I don't use any of the power armor at all for myself. Sanctuary has a good dozen power armor suits just sitting there rusting. lol!
AND thank you for the great vids, I'm learning lots! Thumbs up!
I’m 4 years late to write this. But I’m pretty sure if you travel to a different city, then wait 24 hours it will count as well
Also, another aside: I remember coming back once to The Castle and I have my shops in the hallway by the workbench; where the two shops I removed were I replaced with park benches and the food shop is at the end of the hall to the left in one of the big rooms and after gardening work and the other shops close that one stays open and I see almost everyone going to that 'restaurant' I created in there. Some sitting at the park benches I put in there, too, others standing in line. It was cool to see that. Down the hall from there I have in one of the empty rooms with the three sinks a bathroom. I put three toilets on each side and a partition in the middle with paintings hanging up and a small table with a vase sitting on it, on each side. Just outside I have on the archways a men's sign and on the opposite a woman's sign and I have seen men use the one side designated for men and women using the one designated for them. Also cool.
All I can say that's a bit of a bummer
The normal cap method I use does benefit from multiple types of stores in one settlement. This is by selling mass produced water or crops to your own stores. You do need to visit the settlements to access their local workshop cloud to get the materials. This also makes raids more likely so it is recommended to do this at only a few of your high defense settlements.
This answered so many of my questions, I’ve never done settlements and I’m doing it now. I’ve always just blasted through missions and left all the resources at red and then stopped playing after max level lol
Who is Amod and why are you going to use him?
Love all your vids where you explain how game mechanics work, they are very helpful in achieving the best experience
Am I the only one who's crazy enough to decorate the shops with OCD? I mean filling every shelve and put stuff on the desk, etc.
Edit: I meant the mod, OCDecorator. At the time, i didn't know it was a pun and OCD in reality is a mental disorder, thanks for the replies of people with that condition nonetheless.
Dan Quinn
wtf went wrong with you?
It's a mod xD, you dumbass. It's called OCDecorator, OCD for short.
I would love this mod!
Does this mod stop shit from falling off when its in place? I can place things relatively easy, although time consuming in the base game, however i fast travelled back to red rocket yesterday and alot of the shit was on the floor beneath the shelf i placed them on. I did get attacked by robots at the time so maybe they hit them all off but they were exactly the way i organised them just on the floor lol.
yes, because you can convert every object that you want into "static mesh" (physics doesn't aplly). the mod is called oc decorator, you can craft those items if you already have a real one or convert the one you have into static.
Only use this mod if you want a real "specific" placement of your objects like "yes, i want this cigrrette box to be here above the table on the left, and then this beatufill glass beside".
And if you are not interested in a hardcore personalized placements of your objects you have other mods like "do it yourshelf" where you have in a new category, empty shelves and other category for itemes already converted into static mesh that can fit and snap into those empty shelves. For example a basket with some weapons, folded clothes and armor ready to snap into those shelves, and many more... kitchen objets, ammo, helmets.... i use this mod it's add some inmersion lore friendly to a guard post or the workshops. There is another one that iirc is called creative clutter that offers the same but with some other objects like functionals kitchens or fridge with items inside
my english is a mess, sorry! but i hope this could help you man
Because people who don't have jobs have plenty of money to spend shopping and people who work all day just dig a hole and put their money in it.
Jews & fiat money
Capitalism: Things falling apart.
Humanity: And all that could have been.
See the animal in the cage we have built, are we sure which side we're on.
Nelson4207
Only if you buy me dinner first.
He's the eernd boy who goes around trading for each vendor. He has a job it's just a really easy job
Love being a jew blame use we don't care that you poor lol
Maybe you just imagine it's head canon that Wastelanders are coming to spend money at your shops when you're not there.
That's what I assumed
I mean the settlers aren't working the whole 24 hours. They do stop working and wander about throughout the day and in the evening they do go and hang out at the bar if you have one otherwise they will go an rest on a chair for an hour or 2 then sleep
Thank you Mr Oxhorn for taking the time and going to the effort to run this exercise. As usual your presentations are efficacious in their capacity to both educate and entertain.
I glad you came back to the unassigned settler question. I find your videos super helpful, Thanks for taking the time to do them :)
I love looking up tutorials and having your videos be the first result- I WOULD HAVE IT NO OTHER WAY
Tip for money-making.
Make Chems and sell them. Give you XP and caps. Better than purified water, though of course the PW is active even when you are not around.
PalleRasmussen how about you just make chems and purified water to get even more caps than just chems or just purified water.
I am absolute loving your videos so far tho great work man
damn you load times really make me want to get a solid state.
+mailleweaver oh well I kinda figured but I wanted to justify spending the money
@Nicholas B got one yet?
Yes and its awesome
@@memancan4 Ayy hope ur enjoying ur faster loading times now
You are a FO4 scientist !
he sure is he formulates hypothesis and then gets to work performing experiments to test the hypothesis and thus in the end of the video learns new things, this is the scientific method. so yeah Oxhorn really is a fallout 4 scientist.
N u got scientist perk, in real life too. Haha
I love how this is kinda like two videos in one. Very efficient and clever. This helped me a lot, thank you.
Fertilizer is from Brahman that has a feeding tub
Great vids from 4 years ago watched a lot of them in between playing fallout 4, have only played twice but never utilized settlements other than getting minimum minutemen support
Also I think this was very well done with a use of the scientific methodology, so I would not argue with the results. This is also very good information in general as now I will only asign one settler to scrapping unless there are no other jobs to asign to. This is very helpful.
Thanks Oxhorn! I had no idea about the component view of my junk! Sweet!
And of course having your settlers employed generates caps, I mean they need jobs to earn the caps to spend them, it may be a fake one but it still is an economy. :)
I am really glad videos like this exsist. Given how behind i am its nice to be able to still get information!.
Thanks Oxhorn!
WoW your so good at setlementbuilding man
You are the only one who shows the most needed Information, this knowledge will help create efficiency and reduce settlers for fps also means they get sent to other settlements. One scrap station per settlement, though I wander if the amount of stores matters, you had at least 5 stores and gained 50 caps.
Great experiment. Very educational and helpful for future play throughs. Thanks for taking the time to do this and very well done.
I like that you show your tests being ran, rather then run the test, then make a video telling us about it.
Great video that answers a lot of questions. I have a settlement with just four settlers in so I'm going to send three away and see what happens.
Great video man, it felt like you slowly but surely unraveled the mystery witch was really interesting to watch :D
I also spoiled myself for the weekend by getting a bunch of different ciggars and a single malt whiskey, So sheers mate!
+ADA Hepper Thanks! Enjoy yourself, I'll be smoking a nice one myself
Thank you, saved me time and resources.
Yes very much
Nice to see it demonstrated so surely. Great job! Thnx.
There really is no reason to do this when you can just sell water. I have 3 industrial water generators at my base so I get 90 water basicly every time I check my workbench. I have never seen it go past 100 so I assume that is a sort of cap. However I can abuse the shit out of it.
Step 1: Build the 3 industrial water purifiers.
Step 2: Wait long enough that you produce 90 water.
Step 3: Fast travel to Diamond City and sell it all for about 1000 caps.
Step 4: Fast travel back to your settlement, the time you took fast traveling should have been enough to produce another 90.
Step 5: Repeat steps 3 and 4 as long as you like to get crap tons of caps.
You can use your own shops in your settlement to maximize the value of the water but you have to wait in a chair with that method and invest heavily into 2 perks.
it doesnt work :O
I built around 10 industrial water purifiers at my home settlment, get 200 + water to sell everytime i wait long enuff
Trevor Edward i get like 200
Well, the only thing shops have over water is that money piles up, water needs to be collected before you can have another batch. But yeah, shops are pretty underwhelming.
I got about 10-15 at The Castle, everytime I check the workbench, there are about 400-600, worth more than 10k caps. Of course I could do it only with Vault-Tec Workshop (it's reactors are better than original generators) and Place Everywhere (maybe I could place more purifier on the shoreside, but I just put all of them in one place, at the first purifier's place)
Here I am playing Fallout 4 while listening to this, meanwhile I'm still in a state of pure mind blow from when I saw that someone on Twitter suggested that "The Last Jedi" is plural.
Xale 1231 Jedi and Sith are plural and singular words.
Like ninja and samurai.
Darth Krayt introduced the doctrine of the One Sith!!
Yeah a gaggle of the last Jedi.
Sounds like a big, or Bethseda screwed up. There goes my whole "trading mecca" settlement idea
Awesome. Thanks for doing this experiment, really useful info to have. Could you try assigning all but one scavenging station and seeing how much scrap is generated? Thanks!
dude man i love that multicolored pipboy screen!
Very interesting I use Scavenging stations as a means of adding extra patrols to my current settlement at Starlight Drive-in. I have used the barn foundation to make walls similar to the city of Highbourne from the old PS2 game Everquest Online Adventures.
Well I definitely learned something new and at level 52 I will finally have level 4 shops. On another note I wonder if Scavenging stations can be rug glitched into foundation walls to give the impression that settlers are repairing the walls?
You earned a sub buddy, great content !
One benefits I found out about shops and supply lines is after you have shops and don't loot the caps for awhile they add up nice!y. Then when you build shops in new settlements, the caps cost comes from the workshop and nothing comes out of your pocket
I know this video is now many years old, in 2022! But, I just felt I could add my input here, anyhow, as I think this may be relevant!
The way I have handled my settlements, from the very FIRST settlement I managed, was to ALWAYS INSURE that every single member of each settlement was in fact ASSIGNED A FUNCTION. I don't know, it's just me being my OCD self, I guess...
Now, after having made that point clear, I just always KNEW that shops generated income, with all settlers assigned. Because my settlements ALWAYS made caps! So, it really never occurred to me to even IMAGINE that a settlement might actually "require" an unassigned settler to make the settlement shops function as an income source! Quite the contrary, I would have felt the exact opposite to be the case...
So, I guess what I'm saying is - If one plays the game, as I always imagined it was INTENDED to be played, by the game designers, one would really never have a reason to wonder if unassigned settlers were actually necessary...for me, players SHOULD somehow "feel the need" to insure settlers are in fact being put to good use within their settlements! That is just how I see it, of course.
Where, then, I find myself asking, did you come up with that idea??? It seems a little "counter-intuitive", to say the least, what you presumed would actually be the case; why would anyone THINK unassigned settlers would help a settlement produce income? What is the "logical" basis for the belief? This is, in my mind, the very definition of a FREELOADER, and thus should be a BURDEN, rather than any type of BENEFIT, to a settlement.
I'm just curious as to what the FOUNDATION for your belief was, as it is interesting to me that such a belief should actually have sounded "reasonable" to a gamer with the large amount of gaming experience, such as you, possess!
What prompted you to think unassigned settlers were necessary? Were you TOLD this? Did you read it somewhere? Or was it just a belief mistakenly made, without outside input? Again, I'm simply curious, is all...
It is to me very interesting how erroneous beliefs become generally accepted, in some cases. I know this idea would NEVER have occurred to me on MY own, but, again, it's simply how I come at the game with a bit of an OCD nature! But I can also see how, if I were to READ this, somewhere and from someone I felt should actually KNOW about these types of things, that I might also carry this idea.
I just couldn't help but notice that you seemed realistically SHOCKED by the fact that an unassigned settler was NOT necessary, causing me a bit of a chuckle. No, I wasn't LAUGHING at you, it just seemed funny that when finding that out, you didn't seem to feel it was in any way "obvious", all along!!! I guess it comes down to the way different people perceive the same situation...
In closing, I love all of your content, You do a very fine job, your speaking voice is very easy to listen to, and each video I have watched has always been interesting, informational and very humorous as well! Keep up the excellent work!
You really took a deep dive on that one.
You must be fun at parties.
Ok, I just had to subscribe, after watching 10+ nicely done videos while I work (Erm, listen to...). I love that it's not a ridiculous, over-excited channel, with silly BS every two seconds. Well done sir.
i would recommend some radaway
I made Sanctuary my capitol, my adhesives farm, and my water farm, red rocket is my gunner farm, abernathy is secondary source for adhesive farming, then I have tenpines, the drive in, outpost zimonga, and greygarden set up just for population and defense. I didnt intend of having more than three or four as I am playing survival.
Red Rocket attracts pairs of gunners every so often, I often find them dead on the road just past the bridge when I leave sanctuary.
I now generate more water than I can sell, even when purchasing all the junk and shipments from Carla and my lvl 4 general store.
That being said, my melee based power armor wearing character is lvl 82 and we have not yet gone after Kellog, started nuka world, ended the robot plague (I didnt want to start that one, but I came across the ambush site and it started.... didnt need those random encounters when I carry just a baseball bat...).
Prolly the most rewarding and fun run through in my 4 thousand plus hours of playing fallout. Start with 9 charisma, 9 luck, some strength and agility. Then go for it!
P.S. SO much more fun with Oxhorn's insights, breakdowns, and examples.
(Sorry i’m really bored, but you don’t have to read all of this but please read the top)
I feel so bad that you wrote all of that and it will probably never get the likes it deserves because this video is 8 years old but hopefully it dose.
Ps idk if you said your doing this but I might as well tell you about it anyways if you have the nuka-word dlc you can do these two thing I know of, to get a good amount of caps for minimum effort, you can go though the whole thing/main quest and then set up some raider settlements Im pretty sure you have to take over three and then you need to talk/forcing a segment into supplying you, you need a couple of those then you get like 200-300 caps a day/24 hours and there is a room on the look out thing and there’s a bed that’s you can sleep to fast forward the 24 hours then you get the 200-300 caps and rinse and repeat. the second thing you can do while you do the first thing you can make like ten of these cems dispenser and it will give you 1-3 cems a day, times that by ten thenI will be 10-30 cems a day and then you go sell them and then you’re a millionaire just like that, also thank you so much if you read all of my yapping
Not sure if it works the same way in F4, but in some older bethesda titles proximity to the area also plays a part in a lot of these sorts of things. For example, you can wait in an area indefinitely (both normally and using the timer) and loot will never recycle. Once you leave the map cell though, it doesn't matter how you wait as long as you've waited the set amount of time.
sm901ftw it's 30 in-game days for items and enemy's to respawn.
thanks man tjis solved every question i had about the store fronts in the game
Great video. The in game hours makes sense. Thanks!
Hey Ox, when you have spare time could you go through and find all of the uniquely named settlers and make a video? What im meaning by unique is named settlers that arnt the level 4 traders, the survivors of Quincy for example, and Sturgis. If you could posibly do this then go over how to get them all that would be so helpful for me.
13:20 "All unemployed settlers will collect one random junk item per day, which is automatically added to the workshop inventory. A settler assigned to a scavenging station will instead collect two random junk items per day. Once the total number of junk items (including crafting components) in the workshop reaches 100 + (population × 5), no more junk items will be added to the workshop in either case." -fallout 4 wiki
When you say per day, do you mean things like wait/sleep 24h or actually playing for 24 in-game hours?
Also if I have, lets say 10 settlers and 150 (100 + 10*5) wood, I will not get any more junk from scavenging ?
@@SquallSf Besheda's being stingy smh. Still, the benefit is being able to sell stuff and weapons you find in the wasteland, and buy stuff you actually need.
what mod are you using for the pep boy to look so real like it does???? Its bad ass!!
You're a fucking piece of shit
Start another salt mine on this thread.
I’m starting a new salt mine. It’s a little late but I fucking hate all of you.
What happened here
@@venz0h420 lol fr
Damn bro you've been at this a long time. I've followed for years now. Crazy I'm watching this 8 years later
Is there a revenue difference between the basic and the biggest shop?...
Thanks. Good work. You saved me a few hours work doing same test
I have noticed you are using some mod for grouping/sorting items - what mod is this? Does it work with all DLCs?
I love on how you are sitting there building things and talking about the shops but in the background its sounds like ww3 is taking place xD
Love your videos, loved Shop at shaps
Oxhorn I recently got fallout 4 ANF thank you for making this video because I thought the more shops you have the more caps you make and ik now that all the shops I made was kinda of a waste of caps and building material
Hey, thanks for the helpful video. I want to ask, I've gone through your mods list but how did you do the inventory mod? it looks really cool
How did you get colored player and quest markers when you`ve got the Satellite pip boy map installed ? The .ini code it uses makes it so that all the markers are white.
Please.. It`s impossible to find my destination.
:O !!!!! The lab beaker 3d model is missing... is this normal for the game or what??? I don't understand.... My 3d models for these transparent items are missing too.
Hey Oxhorn. I was follow you since WOW days and im glad i see you getting in Fallout 4.
I just got in to it and i have been using your videos as guides for many topics on the game.
But after seeing this video i wonder if you have already make a video about all the stuff you have learn of your experiments of how different mechanics of the game really works. I mean you explain that in many videos you have but what i see here you correct many things you tough how it works with evidence and experiments. Would be great if you make a video with all this updated knowledge you have about the mechanics. It would be great.
Thanks for your work keep on.
Thanks for the info. I was curious about this.
I've got another question does it matter what kind of shop you build? For example does building the most upgraded general goods store provide the same amount of caps as the cheapest to build standard general goods store or do they make more?
I love your videos. Because of your videos I've been exploring more places in the Commonwealth. Btw did you do a video on the Prost Bar. Very interesting place.
May I ask what mods you use for the neat inventory and icons next to them. I have taken a detailed look at your google doc, but I cant find anything related to the inventory or looting or categories.
Question: are the caps deposited directly into your inventory or do you collect them somehow?
Please tell me is that mod that lets you see the body's is or it an perk please let me know I have have such an hard time finding body's
www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4380/?
I'm curious if this happens at each and every settlement you have. Essentially, if you have them all linked and set up each one with a scavenge station and a store, would you then generate x50 caps PER settlement in 24 hours? Likewise with junk/components.
Very informative. I use the higher grade shops in Sanctuary, I always sell them my crap armour and weapons for Junk...it seems to make alot more.
Now if you have supply lines the caps from different settlements should pile together right? The same way resources do. And does investing the 500 caps with that one perk actually do anything?
what mod does the catacorizing in your inventory? I went through your mod list, but can't seem to find it..
the scavenging station thing is influenced by the materials marked for searching with the magnifying glass icon
Thank God for Sim Settlements. Makes this process a lot easier lol
How does your settlement keep producing caps and stacking up? For example mine usually brings in 150 caps and it never gives more till I collect it, never pilling up. Same with purified water ect.
Hello can you tell me which mod of music you use in games please
thank you in advance
Sorry for my english (i'm french)
Interesting observation. You can't have multiples of a given shop in a given settlement. The game will generate all the stands you want, and you can assign settlers to all of them, but there will be a single shared pool of caps/goods between all of them. So, if you buy/sell until, say, trader 1 has 10 caps left and you've got all of his junk, when you visit trader 2, he'll have 10 caps in his inventory, and no junk.
is there a mod that disable the cap limit for the shops?
because some of the shops cost 1500 caps per shop
I find myself wishing you'd shown the battle, it would have been fun to see.
It seems the best way to make more money from shops and scrapping (if it is possible to connect the two methods) is to have a shop and a scrapping function in every settlement and build as many settlements as possible.
On my best play through, I made over 20,000 CAPS and had shops at all my settlements, except the farms with only two or three people, or Hangman’s Alley.
My most profitable shops where Starline drive in and sunshine tidings.
Now is it 24 hours without traveling or waiting completely or is it where, if you play 12 in game hours and take 12 hours of fast traveling does it pause at 12 hours and continue or reset completely?
Thats a sweet settlement never been there yet. I like settlments that have strong concret buildings with no holes in the roof ! safe ! warm ! and dry ! take a rest from the hells of the wasteland lol
they screwed you over with the island you should be able to build way more than what you can do without using mods it's big enough to build a place twice the size of diamond City
I know this vid is over 3 years old now but my settlements generate far more than 50 caps per shop per day. The number of shops does affect how many caps are generated. Also having top level shops returns bigger revenue.
This makes me think of some player's lament that the settlement system isn't as in-depth as they'd like. I mean, it would make sense if the caps you made was related to, not just how many shops you had, but the quality of shops and how connected your settlements were. Maybe it would make the configuration of the trade routes have an effect.
But alas, this was more or less a side activity that has become really popular. Who knows, maybe they'll make a whole game about it someday. Kind of like a cross between sim city and a strategy battle game?
Disthron I wouldn't be surprised if they have this in the next Fallout game, or even TES. Just with more depth
Not to mention modders will probably improve on it
Nice Vid man! Can you tell me the mod you use to get an inventory like 4:01? Cant find it in your mod list.
how do you put your hud at the bottom edge of the screen like that is it an ini setting?
for next similar video:
console command
"set timescale to ""
it sets the seconds pass in game for every second in real time, 20 is default
This kind of odd ? But is there a way to collect the caps with out going to the settlement like mod or something
What mod is the one when you open the workbench says "open" and what does it do?
Do the findings about scrap generation also stabd true if one is using sim settlements scrap generating plots??