Sioux Oliva - Dr. Sadler and The Urantia Book
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2015
- In this interview Sioux Oliva discusses her recent work, Dr. Sadler and The Urantia Book: The Historic Origins of a Spiritual Revelation in the 20th Century.
The video is a preliminary, uncorrected edit, published to meet some current demands, and will be finalized and included as part of a larger documentary on the Urantia movement. 
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I really enjoyed all three of the interviews you posted here! As a seeker of truth and also a highly spiritual person, I do not shy away from truth, even if it clashes with the most grandiose version of the story. I have had some intense real life experiences that led me to the Urantia Book. If I told you these 100% true stories, you would probably doubt they were true. I almost tire of telling my story, even with the video evidence I have, because most will never believe it. Having these experiences I'm speaking of happen to me is one of the reasons I can more easily accept the Urantia for what it is, no matter the specifics of how it came to be. I truly understand the rules of revelation in the free will universe. Any thing that touches down on a planet will have the "fingerprints" and signs of human error and involvement. That is just a part of being on an evolving planet in the universe. If the Urantia is completely made up, it is as she said, on a level higher than Divinci.
Thanks. I think the UB is the last best hope for the existence of revelatory text material ever. The contortions one has to perform to believe in any of the others, like the Bible, are too much for me. I just wish the UB phenomenon hadn't been spoiled for future generations by Sadler, who apparently thought we couldn't handle the truth.
Thanks. I think the UB is the last best hope for the existence of revelatory text material ever. The contortions one has to perform to believe in any of the others, like the Bible, are too much for me. I just wish the UB phenomenon hadn't been spoiled for future generations by Sadler, who apparently thought we couldn't handle the truth.
+Martin Eigenberger I completely agree with you on that. Perhaps that was something the beings stressed to him. He seemed very adamant about keeping the oath of secrecy. It makes it require a special ingredient "faith". Thank you for your reply, I truly appreciate it. If you ever feel open enough to hear my story, let me know. I won't tell you unless you are interested. I have video evidence at the end of the story as well. The best to you brother!
Unfortunately the only evidence we have that there was such an 'oath'. comes from Sadler himself. Given the suspicious nature of his handling of the Papers and his notes, it's reasonable to assume he made up the whole origin story, including anything that was communicated to him about oaths of secrecy and so on. Having said that, I'm always interested in the experiences of readers - what convinced them that the UB is the real thing, and whether there was anything extraordinary about those experiences.
+Martin Eigenberger Alright, if you are interested, email me at poguecole@gmail.com or let me know your email and I will send our story. I promise that every word is true, even if it is hard to believe for some.
Thank you. The UB changed my life and made me a better Christian, I am 65 now in this body, and we have been actively studying it for 45 years now. Long time to go yet. The good point is that from a Spiritual view (this is awesome from the intellectual point) I am sure of my long journey Home. Bless all involved in this video, bon voyage !!!!
..I am a Muslim and just like you it makes me understand Quran better as well...I am so thankful I found this book...
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Ya got to remember , that after all this is just a book, and the life we are livin, is always New, and umcharted. If you can concieve it, It has the potential to manifest.
Best comment so far and of course it is quite naturally underrated.
Thank you for posting this wonderful interview. The Urantia Book is in fact The 5th Epochal Revelation. Blessings
UB has been life changing for me and I adore the life of Jesus as detailed in the later papers. I've never felt closer to Jesus than after reading UB for the first time.
Absolutely wonderful listening to Sioux Oliva, thanks so much for this interview and fascinating theory! I'm not bothered by the theory so not being defensive here. But i don't think she's correct. The UB does make a few inferences about the sleeping subject that would exclude Dr. Sadler from being a candidate. This one in Paper 110:5.7 is probably the best smoking gun: "The Adjuster of the human being through whom this communication is being made enjoys such a wide scope of activity chiefly because of this human’s almost complete indifference to any outward manifestations of the Adjuster’s inner presence; it is indeed fortunate that he remains consciously quite unconcerned about the entire procedure." I'm quite sure Dr. Sadler was HIGHLY involved and concerned given his central role in the whole process, and his Adjuster probably had no free time on its hands. :D
If he made up the origin story, that fragment could just as well be a fabrication.
@@juann268 Have you read the UB? You are of course correct, it *could* be a fabrication, it could all be a fabrication, just as nihilism and atheism might be fabrications. The question is after studying all points of view, what sticks in your mind and heart as true?
Thank you Sioux Olivia for your sincere interview.Truth or Fable.
Brilliant, love this and applaud her for bringing even greater clarity and validity to this work!
Yes, I hope it leads to an edit of the UB that positively identifies all of Sadler's contaminations.
@Martin Eigenberger Contaminations?? Please.. I'm sure the authors of the papers and myriad celestial hosts / midwayers on duty at the time could handle Sadler and his people. The risk of the encounter had more to do with if Sadler and his people could handle the extraordinary situation. I find it in no way objectionable that Matthew Block and others have found so many wonderful sources for the UB, and that linguistic style from Dr. Sadler's writings was seemingly borrowed now and then..
Angelic orders probably don't all just sit around studying human language as it evolves from one generation to the next. They had to template the language on the best writing they could find lying around on this planet for the task at hand: to be well received by the readers of 1955, and to bring the forum to the point where they'd publish something which would more or less fulfil the mandates they had been authorized. And they pulled it off, hallelujah!
The authors are pretty clear that they borrow thoughts and ideas whenever possible from humans since earned knowledge is more digestible. Having read sections from various source books it's clear to me that Sadler and other source authors were competent, but if you read the source texts, then red the UB parallels, it's hard not to marvel at the uplifted eloquence of the latter. This was not your run of the mill cheating student plagiarism. It was a delicate borrowing and an improving process.
Lastly, let's also remember that this navel gazing has little to do with the most relevant points the book is delivering, messages of love, beauty, universe careers, and eternal destiny to name but a very few. End of the day, I don't care if Donald Duck wrote it, the value and power of the words are self evident. :D Sorry for the long post and thanks again for uploading this video!! :D
@@eeydabez2169 Well, yes, contaminations. If you read the Sherman Diaries, it's pretty evident that Dr. Sadler was, at least medically, a quack with some really questionable ethics. Forum members regularly noted he was editing the papers, inserting his pet white supremacist ideas of for example allowing disadvantaged populations to breed just enough to supply productive people with menial labor.
That he was a shady, disliked character on Diversey Street back in the day, wouldn't be a worry, as long as the Revelation was getting through. But given what seems Sadler's bend toward secrecy, sociopathy, and narcissism, we just can't be assured he hasn't edited the book into a document that bears his personal fantasies, at least in certain parts.
@@eeydabez2169 yup...me too...I am excited of my universe career and paradise career...it is eternal..can't wait to bolt out from this Earth and continue my journey on....😂
@@eigenber Interesting thanks for the tip. I'm going to buy those books, sounds like an exciting read. I never dreamed i'd get to learn about Forum members, fantastic....
As for Sadler, if he truly held those false views, and didn't come around to a more enlightened view during the revelatory process, then shame on him. He must have never read the UB. LOL. He and my Grandpa can go work on those character flaws together in the mansion worlds.
And of course i've read the objectionable bits like the end of paper 82, but man. Right after the paragraph people love to quote out of context, the one dishing the blunt facts about how genetics works, it basically says we should all go have interracial babies. So... Sadler seems to suck at being a white supremacist, if he had such a great impact on the editorial process, which I'm just at face value as a reader not convinced of. But thanks again for the book tips, they're in my shopping list! Some Forum dirt, who would have thought! :D
I´m reading her book again - the second time now. Just love the way she write. Her writing is raising very serious questions to the surface that we must deal with now....but it also brings out those beautiful warm emotions of love and happiness to/ from the Urantia Book.
I can't find her book in Kindle or Audible.
Larry Mullins and Dr Springer wrote the History of the Urantia Book... A worthwhile book to read to get the real facts
Hi Gourmet Cavewoman. I like how you put this author and her self published, inexpensive paperback in her well deserved place. If you check out Sue's interview on Blog Talk Radio with Paula Thompson, Mo Siegel calls in and does the same thing - using just a few more words
I totally agree with her. The style of writing is above average and seems to follow The Chicago Manual style. Much is founded in research of that time some of which has been substantiated and some outdated by modern technological advances. The philosophical concepts in the book are not unique and reflect the teachings of numerous sacred text. The description of creation, celestial beings and life after death is mind blowing and greatly enhances not just the Christian belief system but every religion on earth. Given the lack of doctrines and its expressed intent toward experiential self realized religion it is evident that it was intended to spiritually uplift the people's of our world, an international initiative.
Seriously. If you nullify the bible then you nullify Jesus period. There are too many contractions in your theory that doesn't make any sense. Nice try but you're not deceiving anybody. Satan is here to deceive and destroy and to confuse. If satan wrote the bible especially the book of revelation (which speaks of his defeat) then why would be little himself so easily and clearly. I would think he would have more ego than that. And this goes for the book of Genisis too. Genisis is in constantly being attacked by science. Whatever lie your being told you better re-do your research and you'll find your inconsistencies fallible.
well, the translations of the bible in the past have had other motives than a pure translation of the events of the past... idk if thats "satan"
have you tried reading urantia as a work of fiction, reflecting on the truth that is to be come across?
I think the word confused is more what you're looking for uplift!!!!!
@@Molly1100 just go research on the history of the Bible before you put your trust in such an immoral and fairy tale book full of mythology layers
..some info in Urantia book actually similar to those in the Quran as well..the book is the most fascinated book I have ever read...have to read and reread it for so much info in it...
Thank you for the research and the interview posted.👍🤟
This video came to me through RUclips automatic feeding. I read the book "A History of the Urantia Papers" by Larry Mullins in which Dr. Meredith Justin Sprunger interviewed Dr. Sadler about how the manuscript came to being. It said that the initial 500 pages of manuscript were handed to him, was hand written by pencil, the manuscript was read to the forum and was modified by celestial beings to reflect the forum's feedbacks. The forum went through the reading process three times to ask deeper questions. I would guess the eventual published book contain many human understandings in order to be relatable.
In fact Jesus of Nazareth was very anonymous about his identity, even throughout his public ministry. On the occasion of asking his apostles point blank "who do you say that I am", he forbid them from publicly identifying his divinity going forward from their affirmation until after he left.
Plus, his practice of going by different titles prior to his public ministry made it hard for people to create a complete narrative of his life, carpenter, translator, tutor, caravan leader, etc.
I'm a Seventh-day Adventist. This book is connected.
Part of getting the UB is getting the basic understanding of truth. We know that truth is not static. It's a revelation that continues to evolve as your ability to evolve and to comprehend more evolves ....ALL THE WAY TO THE FATHER YOU WILL EVOLVE THE TRUTH.
Good interview. I would just say that, in my opinion, anyone responsible for an epic the size and scope of the Urantia Book would never have done it without wanting credit for their genius. Imagine 'Lord of the Rings' published anonymously.
It’s understood that you cannot fathom such a selfless gesture - because you’ve been impressed by the, greedy and selfish, world in which we, all, are forced to navigate.
Please think, more, critically…
Monuments of human thought have been written by selfless beings who aspired to remain anonymous, such as Pseudo-Dionysius the Aeropagite or the authors of the Upanishads, or even the writers of the Edda. I do not include the UB author in it though.
@@OpenCorridor-en3ox There is no "UB author" but there are UB authors: the book was shaped by a collective of beings.
@@yannguillou3536 Who knows. I'm more inclined to believe it was all written by 1individidual though but i'm not entirely sure.
@@OpenCorridor-en3ox There are several different styles of writing along the book.
I agree. Mine intuition tells me how to separate truth from error spiritually. Where the details don't conflict with the reasons for believing in Jesus of Nazareth as the Savior and Messiah of the human race, the Urantia fills in details that would otherwise remain obscura.
I like this enterview, thanks a lot.
I found the Urantia Book in 1979, and it changed my life dramatically. I still read it and study it. To me it is the absolute truth and the basis of my faith. I used to attend weekly study groups in California, but left the state in 2005, and sadly since then the study groups have been infiltrated and subverted by a fraudulent group of channelers calling themselves The Teaching Mission, who claim to channel celestial personalities up to and including Jesus himself.They have ruined the movement for me, and I will have nothing to do with them. I've not been able to find a single study group between California and Florida where I now live that is not infiltrated and subverted by this fraudulent group and their false teachings and practices. Even the online forums for the Urantia Book have been so subverted, All I have now is the book itself and the Lord Jesus and God the Father in my life.
There are a few uninfiltrated sources out there. Robert Sarmast comes to mind. I think most of the study groups around Chicago and the Great Lakes region are clean.
@@eigenber Well I live in Florida now and the only study group I've found here sent me Teaching Mission garbage right after I first met with them. I never went back.
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Merritt Horn is old school Urantia and a former professor of philosophy and taught at the Boulder School for UB students@@martinavaslovik3433
And he's funny as hell
Thanks for interesting story!
ThankYou for Your dedication, and clear information
Every Urantia chapter is signed by the spiritual being who wrote the chapter... for example the Forward was signed by. 0:12.14 (17.3) [Indited by an Orvonton Divine Counselor, Chief of the Corps of Superuniverse Personalities assigned to portray on Urantia the truth concerning the Paradise Deities and the universe of universes.]
It's true, The Urantia Book is not a "religion," it's a "cosmology" (more encompassing than just a religion). And I have absorbed the book to the point of grokking it. It has helped me get in touch with my Thought Adjuster, (with the help of The Teaching Mission), and I now have a fantastic connection with our Divine Father-friend as a result of studying this book. God is my BFF.
I've been into the personal growth movement for decades, but for most people, changing who they are, or how they act, is hard for them. This book will challenge them in their "easy way out" mentality, (155:5.9). Most will likely never hear about the book and be sparred their cognitive dissonance that would result therefrom.
What does the book Urantia say about Buddhism?
@@Yangpeiling-de-zhangfu On one hand it says that buddhism is absurd because it is a of religion without a God. On the other hand it says that buddhism was the best religion, among the religions that are without a God, which humanity ever came up with.
Sometimes, when conditions are together, I travel through the circles. There is no need to try and bring those who don't to do the same.
It is for the whole world ...it's been translated in many many languages
Excellent 👍 presentation 👍
I live in ponca city Oklahoma.
I'm tired of being alone with this.
If you're close, contact me if 😊
It's better to settle what this author stated after the documents she worked with are seen in public.
Beliefs are interesting.
For the school of letters and medical academia, the scientific method takes on a different application than the hard sciences/engineering.
Hi. I am Michael. I was raised Jehovah's witness but was disfrllowshiped because I am gay. 13 years ago, I had some very strange experiences seeing 11:11 and with street lamps going out. I was led to a local book store where I inquired about the Utantia book. A man was waiting there, who set the book on the shelf and walked away. I uploaded the papers to RUclips. Everyone thinks I am crazy.
Also, I discovered that I lived next to that building where the forum met, when I lived in Chicago. I used to get my hair cut there
Course in Miracles has a similar origin. Very similar.
I do not agree that Dr Sadler was the sleeping subject
Edgar cayce imo was the channel
What is the difference/similarities between Personality and Consciousness: Which remains after death.
I would say personality IS conscious or has consciousness or participates (as Plato might say) in consciousness, as many lifeforms do. But is a unique entity. I'm sure that's not the best answer.
@@eigenber
A good answer for me. Thanks, Martin
Personality works with mind to interact with matter and direct the body and make moral decisions. Personality is who we are, and if we are of survival value, it is the personality that survives, and is given a new mind endowment upon being resurrected. With mind comes consciousness here as well as there.
What do you think of Norm Paulson and the Sunburst cult?
Interesting story. I wonder if Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, went to the same new age nursery school as Dr. Sadler. Can you see the thread to Hitler following Super man movement?
No. But there IS a direct connection between American racial theory and eugenics, and Nazi ideology and practice.
States are inherently genocidal, we just invented the “scientific “ pretext for exterminating other people and cultures.
didn't i just read that these documents just appeared fully written? not transcribed?
It would seem that some were, but it's unclear. But the proof is in the pudding. If you, the reader, derive spiritual benefit from the papers, does the mode of their appearance make a difference?
That Adam and Eve material son and daughter Papers go hard! The Violet people
Homeless People are the real writers 😉
Did I miss something? She's praising a guy that was on board with Eugenics?
If she praises him at all, it's not for his promotion of eugenics. Progressive era eugenic proposals were distinct from later-appearing practices. But that's the way with all ideas - that they get carried to their logical conclusion. Look at the idea of conservatism. It starts out as a reasonable, cautious attitude toward change and ends up as Nazism or some other variant of fascism.
I think the book offers a lot of wisdom. Especially considering equality for women. The Bible as it is translated now IS NOT DIVINE for this reason in my opinion. Slavery still very much exists concerning exploitation of women for sex. I hope our species lives long enough to move past that blip. Men need to realize we share the same feelings and mental faculties. Where the differences lie biologically should be respected and embraced.
I have read this book and there is NO way this info could have been known or written by a mere human. The first half of the book is mind blowing and very difficult reading. Sadler does NOT address reincarnation which I personally believe is true. The "sleeping human contact" only mentioned once is the book was EDGAR CASEY. Sadler's wife was Edgar's wife doctor. There is a book published (only 400 original copies) entitled EDGAR CASEY AND THE URANTIA BOOK....I was a fan of Edgar's long before I knew of the Urantia Book..... IF YOU READ THIS BOOK...YOU WILL TRULY LOVE GOD! THERE ARE MANY DISTORTIONS AND MISINTERPRETATIONS IN THE BIBLE BUT THERE ARE THREADS OF TRUTH IN IT TOO....
I disagree. I've read the UB since 1974 and several of Cayce's books. I see no similarity at all. Also, the UB contact lived next door to the Sadler's for many years. Cayce was involved in making prophecies, whereas the writers of the UB had no interest in such things. Also, Cayce promoted his writing without reservation and took credit for it. The Urantia subject wanted to remain anonymous and didn't want to be associated with it. As to reincarnation, the UB says flat out that it doesn't exist. However, it is possible that memories of the more experienced Thought Adjusters leak out and form part of their subjects thinking. In such cases, it could become impossible at times for the human subject to differentiate their own thoughts from those of the Adjusters.This is my explanation of the so-called reincarnation phenomena, basing what I know from reading the Book for several decades.
If you read the book you know the UB denies reincarnation.
At the time the book was written, reincarnation included the belief that one could return as a lower life form. The UB indicates that's not possible. As for whether we can come back as a human again, probably not, although there is a section that talks about the reserve corps of destiny and that memories in a reservist who is leaving can be transferred to a new reservist. And, as we only experience memories as a consequence of our own actions, any memories we have we assume came from ourselves. It's possible that's not necessarily so.
Current speculation has the sleeping subject being one of Kellog's adopted children. But as the Foundation says, when the Western Union man comes to your door to deliver a telegram, do you ask him/her what their name is? No. It's the message that's important, not the messenger.
Great interview! I haven't read the book yet, but enjoying the reviews - www.amazon.com/Dr-Sadler-The-Urantia-Book/dp/0692306102/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
Paul Purcell Thanks. Yes, it's quite a lively group.
Martin Eigenberger Do you agree with her that Sadler was the 'sleeping subject' ?
I really don't know. His literary marks or fingerprints seem to be all over the book, but I don't think he was the author.
Yeah,....strangly subjects like 'soul-death' and the Michael-Christ connection appear to have SDA connections, and then the eugenics issue. Otherwise, there's some impressive material in the papers, and my interest is more in some areas than others,...some parts I find rather non-appealing or even stale. Others are fascinating :)
Try it really. If you are this close then the message is for you.
ub= best book
Moses talked to a burning bush. How crazy is that? Saul was on the way to Damascus when he heard a voice in his head and he changed his name to Paul then started the Christian religion. The Emperor Constantine saw a cross in the sky and became a Christian. The origin is not important. Judge something by it's fruit.
Angels know a great deal about the universe but they are not allowed to reveal new information to primitive beings. New information comes from God. The problem is that new information is spread out all over the place. No one was able to put it all together. Angels know when new information has been given to humanity and, at that point, they are allowed to combine the truth.
Also, the wheat comes with chaff. The reason is because we have to have CHOICE. Too often we choose the chaff because it's what we want, instead of the truth. If it's not all about you, would you accept it?
Constantine is the man who truncated and modified ancient texts in 325 at the council of Nicea. He is the social architect who censored many books and slipped a bunch of lies in between the profound truths of the only 66 books that he picked. Talk about becoming a christian.
Reasonable conclusion but I think she is off in general.
There is no secret as to who wrote the book .....this video interview is good but not totally accurate
Ummm I don't think you get to say eugenics like that.
Wow! a beautiful and smart historian!! Does the this world need anything else? I say no.
See the book - New Age Grifter: The True Story of Gabriel of Urantia and His Cosmic Family by author Joseph L. Flatley. - published by FERAL HOUSE
Summarised by ChatGPT - New Age Grifter: The True Story of Gabriel of Urantia and His Cosmic Family" by Joseph L. Flatley delves into the life and exploits of Gabriel of Urantia, a self-proclaimed spiritual leader and founder of a New Age community called the Global Community Communications Alliance (GCCA). The book exposes Gabriel's cult-like tactics, financial exploitation of followers, and manipulation through a blend of spiritual teachings and pseudoscience. Flatley explores the dynamics within GCCA, Gabriel's troubled past, and the impact of his leadership on his followers. Through interviews and research, the author paints a disturbing picture of a charismatic leader who uses spirituality for personal gain, ultimately raising questions about the darker side of New Age movements.
My suspicion is that the Urantia Book is from the same source as Uru-asa-alim and the Ibi-uru. The Uru are only one of many “seeder races.” So it’s their history and their religion according to them. Other seeder races have their own histories and traditions as well and are equally valid, whether we have their records or not. Gratitude goes to all of the seeder races for the part they played (for better or for worse) in keeping this planet up and running when humanity here was in its infancy. My suspicion is that the Uru would have us consider theirs the ultimate and only relevant history/religion. It does have that flavor to me. They can claim the entire planet and call it “Urantia” all they like, but my response to that is the same as toward anyone claiming ultimate authority over a planet that was CLEARLY seeded and settled by MANY races. And chances are, those other equally involved and valid races might beg to differ with the Uru’s assessment.
This is really not important. Who cares .. read the book ...the writings are definitely not of human origions....u either embrace it or u don't
Um… it really is important. Everything associated with a topic of interest is important for someone researching any topic. The only way it’s definitely not important is when someone is interested only in the dogma of a subject.
I have a bridge to sell to you for a very good price
The Bible is much better as it is historically and prophetically on point.
@@blueray3361yeah, if you like old control structures. Let me guess, you’re terrified of going to hell. Humans have brain washed you effectively to be compliant.
Dr S. The SS ? nah....
he was on drugs
The Urantia Book is simply "" the most comprehensive source of information, given to mankind, that precedes the Bible "". Don't get me wrong....the Bible IS real, and the truth. The Urantia Book is Unity without Uniformity.
Is doctor Sadler a jew?
Protestant lol, and the Kellogg family were Adventists
@@FlabbahJabbah even worst!
Is there any useful, long-form analysis of the Urantia Book on RUclips that isn't told from the perspective of some random whackjob who believes in channeling and speaking to magic beings?
The proof is in the pudding. If the reader develops fruits of the spirit, then the information is worthwhile. It has transformed my life way for the better.
As you're clearly disposed to dismiss the book, feel free to not read it. We don't care. If you pursue truth, beauty and goodness in other ways, those will work too.
@@ericjohnson6665Whether something is true has no relation to whether or not it makes you feel good. Furthermore, the Urantia book posits a race-based system which has pushed many (not all, obviously) of its followers into being, well, racists.
@@delusionnnnn - That depends on why you're there. If all you want is history, "truth" is associated with accuracy. If your interests were spiritual, "truth" relates to understanding. I do like both.
As I have met a few thousand Urantians, I have yet to experience any who are racists. (How many have you met?) There have been times when we've wished there were more people of color in our groups. (My current Study Group is about half and half.)
Yes, we struggle with the statements by the authors with regard to the relative benefits and weakness of the various sangik races but find a bit of solace in the statement that we don't have anybody on our planet who can give us a good read biologically on who should and should not breed. Thus, we are justified in doing little more than we currently are.
And I take a dim view of Planned Parenthood's activities during WWII to sterilize people of color. But I also know that a woman who has a debilitating medical condition that prevents her from being able to take care of herself, ought not be breeding, especially if her childbirths are paid for by the government. It seems to me that our government should at least have the right to say after the second one, we're tying your tubes. Maybe even after the first.
But the issue is a real one. Smart people? have all the kids you want. Dumb ones? One tops.
While I generally view folks who whine about welfare mothers as being completely disingenuous, that still leaves open the question of what to do with people who contribute absolutely nothing to society? Let's start by sterilizing felons. But this is a topic best left until after we have eradicated racism. I had a teacher in high school who advocated "grey babies" - where no one would be allowed to mate with a member of their own race. The authors of the book, in a roundabout way, support that idea, and say that most inhabited planets merge into one race, although they warn against doing that until after various genetic diseases have been eliminated thru intelligent breeding.
There are No Planets.
This comment isn't aging well.