Depends if you can cool the 7950X3D aka direct die or HPHS then assign games with project laso. The 7950X3D has a 200MHz 3d cache clock advantage to the 7800X3D. But thanks to the heat spreader it can't take advantage of it.
@@qzy-179SanTzxkW depends on the tasks you're trying to do with encoding or rendering and the like it can be limited by well over 40% the workout to time for large projects 30min to hour long 4k footage can be over an hour...
7900x3d multi cores perfomance assassinate 7800x3d, but in gaming, there is only a 5 or 10% in the worst case (complexe scheduling issue for example), and can be significantly reduced in most games by disabling 2nd ccd.
Ironic how a bigger number sometimes doesn't always give better performance. The 7800x3d is not only performing better than the 7900x3d, but also is consuming less power
Thats because 7900x3d is a higher tier CPU, 6 exclusive productivity cores on the 2nd ccd, so 4 additionnals cores compared to the 7800x3d, with a larger cache (128mo vs 96mo) and higher frequency, suitable for both gaming and intensive works.
Dual ccd vs 1 ccd. That also means the heat is spread over a larger area so you should be able to get slightly better temps. Downside is you have 6=6 cores not 12 so latency from ccd to ccd is a factor. Then again only 6 out of 12 cores have the X3D memory because only 1 ccd has it stacked. I know for a fact there were those with the X3D on both ccd but I am guessing it was too expensive?
@@Daraneys Tu te trompes. Les deux processeurs possèdent le même cache. La différence entre les deux processeurs qui cause cette perte de performance est que le 7900x3D n’est pas un vrai processeur 3D. Sa mémoire V3D Cache n’est pas appliqué à tout ses cœurs comme pour le 7800x3D. Et en effet comme tu l’as dis il y a le fait que le processeur possède 12 cœurs et non 8 ce qui fait que les cœurs se battent entre eux en jeu
@@Aalltrac je t'invite à aller vérifier les caractéristiques techniques des deux processeurs sur le site officiel de AMD 7800x3d : L1 Cache 512 KB L2 Cache 8 MB L3 Cache 96 MB 7900x3d : L1 Cache 768 KB L2 Cache 12 MB L3 Cache 128 MB Tu n'as pas l'air de savoir de quoi tu parles, ce qui est inquiétant en tant qu'acheteur. Ce n'est pas non plus par rapport aux nombre de cœurs mais c'est le fait que le 7900x3d a deux ccd. Je t'invite à te renseigner un peu plus sur ces produits avant de rejoindre une discussion sur le sujet, merci.
@@Aalltrac nop, please verify technical specifications on the AMD official site for these two cpus and you will see larger L1,L2 and L3 cache for 7900x3d. Additionnaly, this is not a problem with the number of cores, but with dual ccds. You dont seem to know what you are talking about, i suggest you to find out more before joining a topic.
Same, bios updates and chipset drivers have improved performance. Not sure if the uploader has updated chipset drivers for the 7900X3D so this test may not be accurate.
@@PranjalC301 7900X3D is one of the best gaming chips and doesn’t break a sweat on light threaded tasks. I do recommend it over the 7800X3D but other people may have different opinions. Reason I say it is because the price difference is not much to 7800X3D. After the update, my gaming performance increased and also I was able to overclock it further to maximise performance. Ever since then I’ve had no crashes. It’s been stable.
@@PranjalC301AMD chipset drivers and bios updates have improved 7900X3D performance. CPU is solid in gaming and light threaded performance. I highly recommend it and ignore the nonces that say 7800X3D is better. I was thinking of returning it for 7800X3D but happy I didn’t.
@@Dh2212an Hey, I was literally going to return it for 7800X3D also I only game but I got the CPU at a really good price here in my country not sure where I made the right call but I made sure to update everything to the latest from chipset drivers to BIOes etc Should I return it for 7800X3D or no? help!
if you actually notice. throughout the video the cpu and gpu uses on ryzen 9 9000x3d has been less. while on other side it has been more. so i do think it's those games which are not fully optimized for cpu .
Of course the usage is lower, it's a 12 core CPU, not 8. The 7800x3d is also slightly faster in singlethreaded performance so a higher GPU usage makes perfect sense.
I own a 7800x3d and I would not go that far. Intel have had some amazing CPU's like the 4770K that was good value and vastly ahead of anything AMD had at the time , a far bigger gap than the 7800x3d compared to say 14700K today, there are several other Intel examples.
@@Battleneter 7800X3D does out runs the i9 14900k and that is 8 cores vs 24 cores! Costing around £200 more then 7800X3D but that for Gaming. Table turn when it in workstations mode
Realistic tests should be done in a variety of resolutions with a variety of graphics cards, which is a lot of work. A 4090 at 1080p is just ridiculous. So unless you only run benchmarks at 1080p and you have a 4090, this benchmark probably is not accurate for you. Test these CPUs at 1440p with a 4070ti and most of the differences in average fps will vanish. Makes you really wonder if spending 400$ on an 8 core cpu in 2024 is worth it.
@@Rayer24 This is a cpu test. It must be as CPU based as possible.....increasing the resolution is adding graphic card performance into the mix. dont dilute cpu tests
@@theosclong1201 I understand that. Testing 2 CPUs at 100% GPU usage won't show the difference in speed between the CPU's. That's why you want the CPU to be the limiting factor. Just keep in mind that the difference you see in these benchmarks isn't always representative of YOUR use case. If you're planning to buy either of these CPUs you should additionally check out benchmarks where the GPU used is the GPU you're planning to buy. And also the resolution + graphical settings. Because if you find out that in your use case the difference in speed between the CPUs ends up being minimal because you're limited by something else then the extra money might not be worth it. A test done in 1080p with a 4090 isn't very useful for someone who wants to play in 1440p ultra with a 4070 is it?
@@Rayer24 nevertheless, it still shows the performance difference between the 2 cpus more accurately and precisely. its like zooming into a picture instead of looking at it as it is attempting to convey the detail. i hope we are still talking cpu performance here...for gaming
@@theosclong1201 We are talking about CPU performance in general when using your computer, be it gaming or anything else, or both. It's one way to measure the performance of a CPU, is it the best? I don't know. Is there more to talk about when discussing CPUs? Yes. Most of that gets lost on people though.
Was your testing done with out of the box settings? It is pretty well understood now that the 7900x3d performance can be improved by better managing the cores.
true he did only aaa games which true havent optimized for more than 8 cores, but games like battlefield 5 cod warzone flight sim, total wars have, and runs great on flagship 10-16 cores
i mean battlefield 2042, basically any online competitive games benefit from more and faster cores, dota cs pubg etc mmorpg too like final fantasy 14, guild wars etc
TLDR; If you're strictly going to game, it makes no sense to even consider the 7900X3D especially if the price difference is $70. The 7800X3D is good enough for entry level or casual productivity (in my opinion of course). The only reason you'd want to pick the 7900X3D over 7800X3D is you want best of both worlds sacrificing efficiency in games for more cores and productivity. Another reason is discount, I've seen the 7900X3D at just $20 more than the 7800X3D and only then is it worth getting
For most of us the 7800X3D is more than enough CPU, the 7900X3D seems a bit pointless since the 3D cache parts really are for gamers and someone needing extra cores/threads would probably be better off going for AMD's non 3D cache CPU's anyway. That being said, the difference in gaming becomes trivial once you get past 120 FPS anyway imo
To expand on the @@Deathscythe91 answer: It used to be that the 7800X3D was even faster than the 7950X3D even though the latter one had more cores, but the scheduler has vastly improved over the past period and another reviewer known as Hardware Unboxed has found that the 7950X3D is now slightly faster than the 7800X3D in gaming workloads, assuming you're using the most recent firmware and chipset as well as a fully updated Windows 11. That said, the 7950X3D is so much more expensive than the 7800X3D that the couple of frames you gain aren't worth the hundreds of dollars you pay more. The 7900X3D is still slower because it simply has fewer cores with additional L3 cache.
A Little bit in some games. Don’t be confused, the 7900x3d is more Future Proof and your System is running smoother in most cases. More cores, more cache, more Future Proof.
to be fair for what an extra 100 bucks you trade off some peformance in gaming for 4 extra cores that would certainly help productivity. Its really a win win. the 7900x3d is like a r5 7600x3d basically on its 3d vcache ccd and 4 extra production cores on the other ccd over the 7800x3d.
Those were also my thoughts and I just pulled the trigger on a 7900x3d system since the 7900x3d was only 389. which was only 20.00 more than the 7800x3d. No brainer in my book :)
Guys help a bro out. Im going to buy a new pc, which have an rtx 4090. Thing is there are two versions of this pc, one with the r7 7800x3D and another one with the r9 7900x3D. Which one should I go for? Im just going for 4k gaming only, I dont think Ill be doing other stuff with the computer so Which one should I go for?
Higher clock, less usage, more future proof and significantly more performance on professional apps all for the same price, 7900x3d is the clear winner
@@PanzerIV88 Mate, its a CPU intensive benchmark which ALWAYS are tested in lower res to pretty much take the GPU out of the equasion to the best possibility available. If you set the games to 4k, the benchmark is practically useless in terms of CPU performance. If you don't knopw how to bench tech, then why are you even watching this in the first place?
The 7900x3d runs about 1 to 8 fps slows in games BIG WHOOP! But "Rules" in productivity. You will never notice those missing 8 fps. However if they can get the thread scheduling fixed up it will beat the 7800x3d all around
No think of the 7900 as having 6x performance cores for gaming and 6 efficiency cores more for productivity. When Gaming the 7900 has to use its 6 performance cores ONLY on the one CCD, where the 7800X3d has 8 cores for gaming. Over simplified but close enough.
As a Intel user and a bit famboy, I need to say AMD wins the battle of the best CPU for gaming 1/3 of consumption of 14900K Similar, sometimes lower and faster perfomance Half price… You can upgrade to Ryzen 9000 without change your MoBo… Ryzen 7 7800X3D is absolutly perfect, well done AMD ❤
r7 is more specilized for gaming rather than the r9 that is widely for gaming and workstation.. some ppl in the comments claim that after new software updates r9 7900x3d is better now :)
That's how you are supposed to measure CPU performance. Eliminate the GPU bottleneck by running your game at 1080p with a 4090 and see which CPU can pump out more frames.
AMD doesn't make any sense their R 7 chips are literally always faster than their R 9, something that's ridiculous. You will never get a i9 that performs slower than a i7...
NOTICE: The 7900X3D is running the games on the non-3D cores. Games default to using the fastest (highest-frequency) cores to run games on, and since the mixed chips (7900X3D and 7950X3D) have the non-3D cores running at a higher frequency than the 3D cores, games default to using them even thought they're slower than the 3D cores are in games. You can force the game to use the 3D cores by underclocking the non-3D cores to 100Mhz lower than the 3D cores, around 4.8 Ghz or something. This totally solves the problem.
You're right.... but the 7900x3d clocks to around 4975MHz (4.975GHz) It needs the XBox Game Bar to run mostly right, and lasso to really run right. There is a bright side to this. This proves TG benchmarks really are REAL.. So much for the haters that say benchmarks of this sort aren't
7900x3d is way faster in productivity, thanks to his multi cores perfomance (and larger cache) that completely annihilate the 7800x3d. But in 4K, its much bound to GPU, so you will notice < 1% perfomance difference between all high tier CPU.
A lot of people forgot that this video was done by assuming Stock settings on both CPU. You can always make 7900X3D equally as fast as 7800X3D in gaming by *Manually* locking the Threads of the Game process to the X3D Cores on the 7900X3D and ignoring the non X3D Cores OR By locking certain cores on 7900X3D from BIOS and it eventually performs the same like 7800X3D I personally go with the 1st method because by doing so, the Game process is ensured to run on the X3D chiplet, while everything else of Background Tasks are running on traditional chiplet No Overclocking needed. Only Manual Threads assigning to the Game Process because this video is showing Automatic (stock) Threads assigning to all games process.
hey man also make sure you have enough ram or power supply wattage, gpu bottlenecks dont usually cause system stutters, i could have a 1060 and a 7950x3d and not have it stutter, the scenario you're describing is really odd. @@aaaz-tp5ij
7900x3d only has 6 3d vcache cores as the 7800x3d has 8. The price difference is worth the trade off though. Bit less gaming performance for an extra 4 cores for productivity.
Actually 7900x3d is faster on the paper than 7800x3d but as a comment above said, only 6 cores with v cache for 7900x3d and 128mo L3 cache vs 8 cors for 7800x3d but 96mo L3 cache. 7900x3d has 4 extra productivity cores and the difference with 7800x3d in games is marginal, so imo, 7900x3d with its actual price is the better value if you want more than an only gaming cpu.
@@sttrsp9700 The 7900X3D is running the games on the non-3D cores. Games default to using the fastest (highest-frequency) cores to run games on, and since the mixed chips (7900X3D and 7950X3D) have the non-3D cores running at a higher frequency than the 3D cores, games default to using them even thought they're slower than the 3D cores are in games. You can force the game to use the 3D cores by underclocking the non-3D cores to 100Mhz lower than the 3D cores, around 4.8 Ghz or something. This totally solves the problem.
@@selohcin you are basically right. but in this case both cpu´s use the 3d cache. otherwise the difference would be much larger as you can see with the normal 7900X in gaming. the reason the 7900x3d is slower is because only one 6-core CCD has the v-cache.
It isn't in this case, simply because you have only 6 cores available on 7900x3d, while the 7800x3d has all 8 available. This is because the 7900x3d uses two CCDs (7800x3d has only one CCD, with 8 cores), each having 6 cores (total 12). In games, the CCD with 3D V-Cache is used, while the other one is disabled, leaving you only 6 cores + tiny amount of extra latency (if more than one CCD is built-in). This is the reason, why everyone says, that you should never get the 7900x3d.
Yes but this is amd im saying this cpu was probably meant for other intensive stuff besides gaming and after the 7950x3d which is targeted towards content creation this one was probably also meant for other stuff than gaming anyways amd made stupid sh!t yes i know that 8 cores is better for gaming but i guess this wasn't supposed to the case this time altho r9 was always the better cpu until they've released the x3d parts@@Grena567 i said that they made 6 cores instead of 12 or maybe im wrong and they should do 8 cores 16 threads when i meant 12 cores i meant 12 cores and 24 threads or they did it already?
Depends on your resolution and graphics card. I have a 13600kf and 3080Ti running at 4K, 3080 runs at 99-100% usage all the time, no amount of CPU horsepower upgrade would change my frame rate. But if I was running 1080p or 1440p then I could upgrade my CPU for more fps as the 3080 would be capable of more frames at these resolutions beyond what my CPU could process. I suspect a 4090 would be a similar story for me at the moment too. The jump to 4K is massive compared with 1440p. 1440p = 3.7 million pixels 4K = 8.3 million pixels. 1080p = 2 million.
well if you look at it in actual workstation tasks... It disrespects the 7800x3d so hard, it doesn't even give the change as a tip from the money it stole from it for lunch money...
@@SimanSlivaryeah, these 7800xd fan boys dont understand the real value of 4 extra productivity cores and dont know, apparently, that a pc can be used to do others things than gaming.
Due to chiplet design the 7900X3D can have only 6 cores use the extra chache at once. It's effectively a 7600X3D with double the cores. The 7800X3D has a different design and all cores can make use of the extra cache.
@@Deathscythe91oh now that make sense thanks for explaining and thanks for amd to lie us once again i hope next ryzen 8000 or ryzen 9000 effectively zen 5 will have better r9 x3d chips because this is just stupid in my opinion.
Я не розумію в чому сенс міряти в 1920×1080, як що я купив собі 4090, я буду грати в ці ігри що на тесті в 2к або 4к ! Да я так і граю, після 2к, 1920х1080 просто мило !
If you test at 4K, you are testing the GPU instead of the CPU. If you want to know how your setup runs at 4K, just go look at 4090 results. CPU matters way less at 4K. You could probably use a 4090 with a 12600K at 4K
You can use any "gaming" CPU for productivity. In your use case, with gaming the primary focus, and productivity a secondary activity, the 7800x3D makes sense.
It's seem you've missed the point of this video, this is a CPU comparison, you run these kind of test at the lowest possible resolution as you literally don't want the GPU to become a factor at play. If you'd run the same test at e.g. 4K the actually difference(the fps) between these CPU would be less as the GPU becomes more loaded(occupied) the CPU instead has to wait for the GPU.
Games :
CYBERPUNK 2077 - 0:06
Hogwarts Legacy - 1:08 - gvo.deals/TG3HogwartsLegacy
Assassin's Creed Mirage - 2:06
Microsoft Flight Simulator - 3:21
Forza Horizon 5 - 4:21 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5
Starfield - 5:22
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 6:23 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesRDR2
The Witcher 3 - 7:23 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesWitcher
System:
Windows 11
Ryzen 9 7900X3D - bit.ly/3yiwbBy
Ryzen 7 7800X3D - bit.ly/43e3VxW
Gigabyte X670E AORUS MASTER - bit.ly/3BRDIIG
G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz - bit.ly/3XlBGdU
GeForce RTX 4090 24GB - bit.ly/3CSaMCj
SSD - 2xSAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB - bit.ly/2NmWeQe
Power Supply CORSAIR HX Series HX1200 1200W - bit.ly/3EZWtNj
Test the 7900X3D 1 CCX off.
Have you tried doing AMD's 7900X3D "How to set up your system" guide with Game Mode and Xbox Game Bar?
Ryzen 7 7800x3d - best balance for the current time, but I am use r7 5800X3D and still happy : )
Good for you mate!
for games only 7800x3d
Depends if you can cool the 7950X3D aka direct die or HPHS then assign games with project laso. The 7950X3D has a 200MHz 3d cache clock advantage to the 7800X3D. But thanks to the heat spreader it can't take advantage of it.
only, 7800x3d*
I mean, you can do proffesional work too with it, it's just gonna take, what?, 5-10% longer?
@@qzy-179SanTzxkW depends on the tasks you're trying to do with encoding or rendering and the like it can be limited by well over 40% the workout to time for large projects 30min to hour long 4k footage can be over an hour...
7900x3d multi cores perfomance assassinate 7800x3d, but in gaming, there is only a 5 or 10% in the worst case (complexe scheduling issue for example), and can be significantly reduced in most games by disabling 2nd ccd.
And much more efficient than 7900x3d. This is the power of tsmc chip.
Ironic how a bigger number sometimes doesn't always give better performance. The 7800x3d is not only performing better than the 7900x3d, but also is consuming less power
Thats because 7900x3d is a higher tier CPU, 6 exclusive productivity cores on the 2nd ccd, so 4 additionnals cores compared to the 7800x3d, with a larger cache (128mo vs 96mo) and higher frequency, suitable for both gaming and intensive works.
Dual ccd vs 1 ccd.
That also means the heat is spread over a larger area so you should be able to get slightly better temps. Downside is you have 6=6 cores not 12 so latency from ccd to ccd is a factor. Then again only 6 out of 12 cores have the X3D memory because only 1 ccd has it stacked. I know for a fact there were those with the X3D on both ccd but I am guessing it was too expensive?
@@Daraneys Tu te trompes. Les deux processeurs possèdent le même cache. La différence entre les deux processeurs qui cause cette perte de performance est que le 7900x3D n’est pas un vrai processeur 3D. Sa mémoire V3D Cache n’est pas appliqué à tout ses cœurs comme pour le 7800x3D. Et en effet comme tu l’as dis il y a le fait que le processeur possède 12 cœurs et non 8 ce qui fait que les cœurs se battent entre eux en jeu
@@Aalltrac je t'invite à aller vérifier les caractéristiques techniques des deux processeurs sur le site officiel de AMD
7800x3d :
L1 Cache
512 KB
L2 Cache
8 MB
L3 Cache
96 MB
7900x3d :
L1 Cache
768 KB
L2 Cache
12 MB
L3 Cache
128 MB
Tu n'as pas l'air de savoir de quoi tu parles, ce qui est inquiétant en tant qu'acheteur. Ce n'est pas non plus par rapport aux nombre de cœurs mais c'est le fait que le 7900x3d a deux ccd. Je t'invite à te renseigner un peu plus sur ces produits avant de rejoindre une discussion sur le sujet, merci.
@@Aalltrac nop, please verify technical specifications on the AMD official site for these two cpus and you will see larger L1,L2 and L3 cache for 7900x3d. Additionnaly, this is not a problem with the number of cores, but with dual ccds. You dont seem to know what you are talking about, i suggest you to find out more before joining a topic.
Ryzen 7800x3d 😊😊
I got the 7900x3d and I love it. The latest update improved performance. And the prices are lower and closer
Same, bios updates and chipset drivers have improved performance. Not sure if the uploader has updated chipset drivers for the 7900X3D so this test may not be accurate.
@@Dh2212ancan you please tell me how better the performance is after the update? Im looking forward to buying the 7900x3d. Thanks.
@@PranjalC301 7900X3D is one of the best gaming chips and doesn’t break a sweat on light threaded tasks. I do recommend it over the 7800X3D but other people may have different opinions. Reason I say it is because the price difference is not much to 7800X3D.
After the update, my gaming performance increased and also I was able to overclock it further to maximise performance. Ever since then I’ve had no crashes. It’s been stable.
@@PranjalC301AMD chipset drivers and bios updates have improved 7900X3D performance. CPU is solid in gaming and light threaded performance. I highly recommend it and ignore the nonces that say 7800X3D is better. I was thinking of returning it for 7800X3D but happy I didn’t.
@@Dh2212an Hey, I was literally going to return it for 7800X3D also I only game but I got the CPU at a really good price here in my country not sure where I made the right call
but I made sure to update everything to the latest from chipset drivers to BIOes etc
Should I return it for 7800X3D or no? help!
if you actually notice. throughout the video the cpu and gpu uses on ryzen 9 9000x3d has been less. while on other side it has been more. so i do think it's those games which are not fully optimized for cpu .
Of course the usage is lower, it's a 12 core CPU, not 8. The 7800x3d is also slightly faster in singlethreaded performance so a higher GPU usage makes perfect sense.
7800x3d best game cpu ever.
Until next year when the 9800x3d comes out
@@m8x425bro when that processor will be release
I own a 7800x3d and I would not go that far. Intel have had some amazing CPU's like the 4770K that was good value and vastly ahead of anything AMD had at the time , a far bigger gap than the 7800x3d compared to say 14700K today, there are several other Intel examples.
@@m8x425 Have heard it is still going to be AM5 😅
@@Battleneter 7800X3D does out runs the i9 14900k and that is 8 cores vs 24 cores! Costing around £200 more then 7800X3D but that for Gaming. Table turn when it in workstations mode
Ryzen 7 7800x3d Best gaming cpu ever existed
Based CPU test! And one of the only channels that understand cpu tests should be done in 1080p
Realistic tests should be done in a variety of resolutions with a variety of graphics cards, which is a lot of work. A 4090 at 1080p is just ridiculous. So unless you only run benchmarks at 1080p and you have a 4090, this benchmark probably is not accurate for you. Test these CPUs at 1440p with a 4070ti and most of the differences in average fps will vanish. Makes you really wonder if spending 400$ on an 8 core cpu in 2024 is worth it.
@@Rayer24 This is a cpu test. It must be as CPU based as possible.....increasing the resolution is adding graphic card performance into the mix. dont dilute cpu tests
@@theosclong1201
I understand that. Testing 2 CPUs at 100% GPU usage won't show the difference in speed between the CPU's. That's why you want the CPU to be the limiting factor.
Just keep in mind that the difference you see in these benchmarks isn't always representative of YOUR use case. If you're planning to buy either of these CPUs you should additionally check out benchmarks where the GPU used is the GPU you're planning to buy. And also the resolution + graphical settings.
Because if you find out that in your use case the difference in speed between the CPUs ends up being minimal because you're limited by something else then the extra money might not be worth it. A test done in 1080p with a 4090 isn't very useful for someone who wants to play in 1440p ultra with a 4070 is it?
@@Rayer24 nevertheless, it still shows the performance difference between the 2 cpus more accurately and precisely. its like zooming into a picture instead of looking at it as it is attempting to convey the detail.
i hope we are still talking cpu performance here...for gaming
@@theosclong1201
We are talking about CPU performance in general when using your computer, be it gaming or anything else, or both. It's one way to measure the performance of a CPU, is it the best? I don't know. Is there more to talk about when discussing CPUs? Yes. Most of that gets lost on people though.
Why do some videos show the 7900X3D doing better than the 7800X3D and some don't? It's quite confusing.
Some games take advantage of single core improvement. 7900x3 has higher boost speed.
Was your testing done with out of the box settings? It is pretty well understood now that the 7900x3d performance can be improved by better managing the cores.
Who those who don't games only and those like to have many cores, lower power consumption and future proofing then the 7900X3D is perferct
true he did only aaa games which true havent optimized for more than 8 cores, but games like battlefield 5 cod warzone flight sim, total wars have, and runs great on flagship 10-16 cores
i mean battlefield 2042, basically any online competitive games benefit from more and faster cores, dota cs pubg etc
mmorpg too like final fantasy 14, guild wars etc
I multitasking and playing t games same time which cou is better for me?
The differnce between a 8 core Vcashed cluster and a 6 core dito. TNX for showing this mate. 😇👋
TLDR; If you're strictly going to game, it makes no sense to even consider the 7900X3D especially if the price difference is $70. The 7800X3D is good enough for entry level or casual productivity (in my opinion of course).
The only reason you'd want to pick the 7900X3D over 7800X3D is you want best of both worlds sacrificing efficiency in games for more cores and productivity. Another reason is discount, I've seen the 7900X3D at just $20 more than the 7800X3D and only then is it worth getting
In my case the 7900x3d is actually 20 less than the 7800x3d because of prime dau
Is it true that they fixed r9? On new benchmarks I see it is better, or it is fake?
For most of us the 7800X3D is more than enough CPU, the 7900X3D seems a bit pointless since the 3D cache parts really are for gamers and someone needing extra cores/threads would probably be better off going for AMD's non 3D cache CPU's anyway. That being said, the difference in gaming becomes trivial once you get past 120 FPS anyway imo
The difference between 7900x et 7900x3d in productivity is short, but there is a huge step for the gaming part, thanks to the 3d cache.
Winds howling.
can anyone tell me why the 7800x3d performs better than the higher tier x3d processors?
IDK
the 7800x3d has 8 cores that all 8 have x3d v-cache
the 7900x3d has 2x 6 cores and only 1x 6 cores has x3d v-cache
8 3D V-cache cores on the 7800X3D vs. 6 3D V-cache cores on the 7900X3D
and also7800 have only 1 ccd and another have 2 whats also increases latency and bad 4 games.
To expand on the @@Deathscythe91 answer: It used to be that the 7800X3D was even faster than the 7950X3D even though the latter one had more cores, but the scheduler has vastly improved over the past period and another reviewer known as Hardware Unboxed has found that the 7950X3D is now slightly faster than the 7800X3D in gaming workloads, assuming you're using the most recent firmware and chipset as well as a fully updated Windows 11. That said, the 7950X3D is so much more expensive than the 7800X3D that the couple of frames you gain aren't worth the hundreds of dollars you pay more. The 7900X3D is still slower because it simply has fewer cores with additional L3 cache.
But if I wanted to do lives in parallel, would the 7800x3d still be the best choice?
I heard that the 7900X3d is faster than the 7800X3d after some software update. Is this true?
in gaming physically impossible.
@@lupidor1465 No its not.
@@billpii6314 it is.
Buy 7900X3D, same price ✅
Whats your cpu cooler?
I heard that the r9 7900X3d is beter in gaming than the r7 7800X3d after some software update. Is this true?
A Little bit in some games. Don’t be confused, the 7900x3d is more Future Proof and your System is running smoother in most cases. More cores, more cache, more Future Proof.
7800X3D the king of gaming CPUs.
Its certainly the best bang for the buck gaming CPU right now.
That's actually insane. If not for that one person on Discord, I wouldn't have known about it.
to be fair for what an extra 100 bucks you trade off some peformance in gaming for 4 extra cores that would certainly help productivity. Its really a win win. the 7900x3d is like a r5 7600x3d basically on its 3d vcache ccd and 4 extra production cores on the other ccd over the 7800x3d.
Those were also my thoughts and I just pulled the trigger on a 7900x3d system since the 7900x3d was only 389. which was only 20.00 more than the 7800x3d. No brainer in my book :)
Guys help a bro out. Im going to buy a new pc, which have an rtx 4090. Thing is there are two versions of this pc, one with the r7 7800x3D and another one with the r9 7900x3D. Which one should I go for? Im just going for 4k gaming only, I dont think Ill be doing other stuff with the computer so Which one should I go for?
7800x3D
R7 7800XD3 the BEST 😍
If i want to stream games which one is better?
7950x3d or 7900x3d, more cores to utilize.
Higher clock, less usage, more future proof and significantly more performance on professional apps all for the same price, 7900x3d is the clear winner
Would have liked to see some tests run in 4k
Ya same, who the f*ck plays at 1080p in 2024... I don't game with a 200$ GPU! Even less if I have such an expensive CPU.
@@PanzerIV88the real test for cpus is always lower resolution.
@@PanzerIV88 Mate, its a CPU intensive benchmark which ALWAYS are tested in lower res to pretty much take the GPU out of the equasion to the best possibility available. If you set the games to 4k, the benchmark is practically useless in terms of CPU performance. If you don't knopw how to bench tech, then why are you even watching this in the first place?
How is this today still 7800 for the win? Or does the 7900just need an update and it rules over 7800 because its the same price for me now
The 7900x3d runs about 1 to 8 fps slows in games BIG WHOOP! But "Rules" in productivity. You will never notice those missing 8 fps. However if they can get the thread scheduling fixed up it will beat the 7800x3d all around
No think of the 7900 as having 6x performance cores for gaming and 6 efficiency cores more for productivity. When Gaming the 7900 has to use its 6 performance cores ONLY on the one CCD, where the 7800X3d has 8 cores for gaming. Over simplified but close enough.
Which one for 4k gaming on a Big screen?
It really does not matter bro, go by your choice, both are great cpus, buy the one you find in the lower price.
even with fix 7800 still better? some channels was showing that 7900 wining after fix released
Hi, is posible benkmark for 4K resolution? thanks
Does not make sense in a CPU comparison. You want to have high load on the cpu and 4K puts more load on gpu
78003d is more suitable for home use, and 79003d is more suitable for work use.
who is buying a 7900x3d to play in 1080?
Me
me.. and i regret it..😭
As a Intel user and a bit famboy, I need to say AMD wins the battle of the best CPU for gaming
1/3 of consumption of 14900K
Similar, sometimes lower and faster perfomance
Half price…
You can upgrade to Ryzen 9000 without change your MoBo…
Ryzen 7 7800X3D is absolutly perfect, well done AMD ❤
why r7 is better preformance from r9? the r7 have 4 core more that r7
r7 is more specilized for gaming rather than the r9 that is widely for gaming and workstation.. some ppl in the comments claim that after new software updates r9 7900x3d is better now :)
Why is the 4090 with the 7800x3d is using more than the 4090 with the 7900 ?
That's how you are supposed to measure CPU performance. Eliminate the GPU bottleneck by running your game at 1080p with a 4090 and see which CPU can pump out more frames.
AMD doesn't make any sense their R 7 chips are literally always faster than their R 9, something that's ridiculous. You will never get a i9 that performs slower than a i7...
Price no good compare with no 3d models. Low boost seen after not satisfied about 7800X3d and 7900X3d, I have 7900x it boosting 5.6ghz at gaming ❤
7900x3d is such a useless product. The 6 core x3d chips would have been much better utilized in a 7600x3d.
to make a sh!t tone of money
NOTICE: The 7900X3D is running the games on the non-3D cores. Games default to using the fastest (highest-frequency) cores to run games on, and since the mixed chips (7900X3D and 7950X3D) have the non-3D cores running at a higher frequency than the 3D cores, games default to using them even thought they're slower than the 3D cores are in games. You can force the game to use the 3D cores by underclocking the non-3D cores to 100Mhz lower than the 3D cores, around 4.8 Ghz or something. This totally solves the problem.
You're right.... but the 7900x3d clocks to around 4975MHz (4.975GHz) It needs the XBox Game Bar to run mostly right, and lasso to really run right.
There is a bright side to this. This proves TG benchmarks really are REAL..
So much for the haters that say benchmarks of this sort aren't
wrong. there perfomance difference comes from the need of more than 6 X3D cores.
If you test 4K gaming, 7900X3D is better. and much faster video rendering.
7900x3d is way faster in productivity, thanks to his multi cores perfomance (and larger cache) that completely annihilate the 7800x3d. But in 4K, its much bound to GPU, so you will notice < 1% perfomance difference between all high tier CPU.
7900x3d the best
A lot of people forgot that this video was done by assuming Stock settings on both CPU.
You can always make 7900X3D equally as fast as 7800X3D in gaming by *Manually* locking the Threads of the Game process to the X3D Cores on the 7900X3D and ignoring the non X3D Cores
OR
By locking certain cores on 7900X3D from BIOS and it eventually performs the same like 7800X3D
I personally go with the 1st method because by doing so, the Game process is ensured to run on the X3D chiplet, while everything else of Background Tasks are running on traditional chiplet
No Overclocking needed. Only Manual Threads assigning to the Game Process because this video is showing Automatic (stock) Threads assigning to all games process.
How can I do that.? Do you know of a video or some sort of tutorial?
@@vids9190 Tom's Hardware did tutorial about it.
Also, Process L𝒶 sso
@@vids9190Tom's Hardware did a video tutorial about it. Just search it in their RUclips channel.
@@vids9190 Yeah, how do you do this, please share.
Guys I’ve noticed that 3dVcash cpu’s has more issues than the other CPU’s
yeap 100%, intel way better and more stable, thats why ALL PRO esports players use Intel.
@@CRF250R1521 nop, its only because of a kind of a Intel sponsorship lmao
@@Daraneys what? And AMD can't sponsor anyone?
@@CRF250R1521 "yeap 100%, intel way better and more stable, "
You need to get out more Intel is having all sort of stability issues. ohhh esports? lol
@@billpii6314 name one single pro player that uses AMD, ill wait.
Compare 7600 vs 7700 vs 7800x3d ;)
insert risitas laugh here
Why 7800X3D has better performance? 😮
i bought 7900x3d and 4060ti.
and regret it.. because can't keep 144 frames on Escape from tarkov.. oh my god..
Ur GPU is bottlenecking ur CPu
@@llepicub Oh really? No wonder my Windows 11 feels like it's stuttering too.
Which should I change? gpu? or cpu? Can you recommend?
@@aaaz-tp5ijupgrade your GPU to a 7900 GRE or higher, or a 4070 Super or higher.
@@llepicub ah! thank you!!
hey man also make sure you have enough ram or power supply wattage, gpu bottlenecks dont usually cause system stutters, i could have a 1060 and a 7950x3d and not have it stutter, the scenario you're describing is really odd. @@aaaz-tp5ij
Gamivo tried to steal my money. I had to file a chargeback to get my money back.
Very nice, a 8 core faster than 12...great video!
7900x3d only has 6 3d vcache cores as the 7800x3d has 8. The price difference is worth the trade off though. Bit less gaming performance for an extra 4 cores for productivity.
Actually 7900x3d is faster on the paper than 7800x3d but as a comment above said, only 6 cores with v cache for 7900x3d and 128mo L3 cache vs 8 cors for 7800x3d but 96mo L3 cache. 7900x3d has 4 extra productivity cores and the difference with 7800x3d in games is marginal, so imo, 7900x3d with its actual price is the better value if you want more than an only gaming cpu.
@@sttrsp9700 The 7900X3D is running the games on the non-3D cores. Games default to using the fastest (highest-frequency) cores to run games on, and since the mixed chips (7900X3D and 7950X3D) have the non-3D cores running at a higher frequency than the 3D cores, games default to using them even thought they're slower than the 3D cores are in games. You can force the game to use the 3D cores by underclocking the non-3D cores to 100Mhz lower than the 3D cores, around 4.8 Ghz or something. This totally solves the problem.
@@selohcin you are basically right. but in this case both cpu´s use the 3d cache. otherwise the difference would be much larger as you can see with the normal 7900X in gaming. the reason the 7900x3d is slower is because only one 6-core CCD has the v-cache.
@@lupidor1465 That depends on the game. It's not happening in all games.
Who has a 4090 and play at 1080?
Thats how you test cpus and ram...if you go higher resolution the gpu takes over.
This is Weird af R9 SHOULD be better
7800x3d is 1x8cores with all 8 x3d cache
7900x3d is 2x 6cores and only 1x 6cores has x3d cache
it should definitely not be better
Its probably was created for more stuff than just gaming but funny thing and also stupid thing is that it comes with 6 cores and 12 cores
No it shouldnt, r7 had 1 ccd (1x8 cores) while r9 has 2 ccds (2x6) which is worse for gaming
It isn't in this case, simply because you have only 6 cores available on 7900x3d, while the 7800x3d has all 8 available. This is because the 7900x3d uses two CCDs (7800x3d has only one CCD, with 8 cores), each having 6 cores (total 12). In games, the CCD with 3D V-Cache is used, while the other one is disabled, leaving you only 6 cores + tiny amount of extra latency (if more than one CCD is built-in). This is the reason, why everyone says, that you should never get the 7900x3d.
Yes but this is amd im saying this cpu was probably meant for other intensive stuff besides gaming and after the 7950x3d which is targeted towards content creation this one was probably also meant for other stuff than gaming anyways amd made stupid sh!t yes i know that 8 cores is better for gaming but i guess this wasn't supposed to the case this time altho r9 was always the better cpu until they've released the x3d parts@@Grena567 i said that they made 6 cores instead of 12 or maybe im wrong and they should do 8 cores 16 threads when i meant 12 cores i meant 12 cores and 24 threads or they did it already?
Por que o 7800x3d é melhor em FPS só perde na temperatura polo que eu observei
What about I5 13600k?
Depends on your resolution and graphics card. I have a 13600kf and 3080Ti running at 4K, 3080 runs at 99-100% usage all the time, no amount of CPU horsepower upgrade would change my frame rate. But if I was running 1080p or 1440p then I could upgrade my CPU for more fps as the 3080 would be capable of more frames at these resolutions beyond what my CPU could process. I suspect a 4090 would be a similar story for me at the moment too. The jump to 4K is massive compared with 1440p. 1440p = 3.7 million pixels 4K = 8.3 million pixels. 1080p = 2 million.
@@robertharling8151 I have RTX 4070 SUPER
The i5 13600K can barely match the Ryzen 5 7600X.
@@lharsay chech the link and then we talk
9 7900x3d jest lepszy , ma wiecej rdzeni i wątków, starczy na wiecej lat , 8 rdzeni to już mało ....
Ahh yes. Pay 70$ more for slightly lower performance. It's worth it!!!
well if you look at it in actual workstation tasks... It disrespects the 7800x3d so hard, it doesn't even give the change as a tip from the money it stole from it for lunch money...
@@SimanSlivaryeah, these 7800xd fan boys dont understand the real value of 4 extra productivity cores and dont know, apparently, that a pc can be used to do others things than gaming.
i like.very good 💎
I5 13600k 😌👍🏻
Bought my 13600K on launch day which was before 7800x3D's existence, its plenty fast for gaming not gonna bother upgrading for another 2 years or so.
@@mathesar The 1 thing I always upgrade is ssd becasue it is always too slow. But that is not for games. And Intel has no pcie 5.0 ssd options.
Check power consumption😂 hahaha. Intel suck.
In 4k gameplay R9 would beat R7
Naa,I don't think that's true.Cos on higher resolution most of the work is done by the GPU, that's y we bench CPU at lower resolution
Noooopee
looks like 78003dx just aint as stable
i have overclocked and tuned my 79003dx and 7800x3d the numbers are so similar i just sold thye 7800x3d cause it gets hotter
Why this diferrents?
is this a joke how ryzen 7 is better wtf
So why R9 better than R7? Weird
For workstation
Shame AMD ! 🤪😁
How is this possible?
Simple, 7900 version has less cache and some games benefit having more cache with 7800X3D. Gamers should only get 7800X3D
7800x3d is 1x8cores with all 8 x3d cache
7900x3d is 2x 6cores and only 1x 6cores has x3d cache
Due to chiplet design the 7900X3D can have only 6 cores use the extra chache at once. It's effectively a 7600X3D with double the cores. The 7800X3D has a different design and all cores can make use of the extra cache.
Thx for the answers, I'll pick 7800X3D then.
@@Deathscythe91oh now that make sense thanks for explaining and thanks for amd to lie us once again i hope next ryzen 8000 or ryzen 9000 effectively zen 5 will have better r9 x3d chips because this is just stupid in my opinion.
Я не розумію в чому сенс міряти в 1920×1080, як що я купив собі 4090, я буду грати в ці ігри що на тесті в 2к або 4к ! Да я так і граю, після 2к, 1920х1080 просто мило !
If you test at 4K, you are testing the GPU instead of the CPU. If you want to know how your setup runs at 4K, just go look at 4090 results. CPU matters way less at 4K. You could probably use a 4090 with a 12600K at 4K
Test should be repeated using 4k
In games were the GPU is not the bottleneck (the reason for NOT using 4K), makes no difference the 7800X3d is still faster.
Never
Конченный процессор, он должен называться 7750X3D а не 7900X3D
7900X3D 쓰레기네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 7900X3D가 7800X3D 나와었야 했는데 출시를 개판으로 했나보네 ㅋㅋㅋ서로 뒤바뀌었다
7800x3d
😂😂😂 mind-blowing
The 7900X3D makes no sense. Slower in gaming than the 7800X3D, slower in production workloads than the 7900X non-3d. Both of which are cheaper.
7800X3D extreme gaming, 7900X extreme work, 7900X3D both extreme gaming and work maybe? 😉
@i.cheung8393 except, as I pointed out, the 7900X3D falls short in both. You'd be better better of buying a 7950X3D if you need both.
Wtf lol
WTF!!
BRO IS BOTTLENECKING THE GPU THE FUCK Y'ALL MEAN BIG NUMBER WORKSE
It's a CPU comparison.
Wtf
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7800 3d is not good for video editing
thats why its called a gaming cpu? and not a editing cpu?
You can use any "gaming" CPU for productivity. In your use case, with gaming the primary focus, and productivity a secondary activity, the 7800x3D makes sense.
@@Jakiyyyyy i dont like this Ryzen 7800 333ddd ,anyway everybody wants
GTA 5?
Gta 5 is dead bro
@@akira4338 rly? Lol
None of them. Its ryzen. End of conversation.
1080p test in 2024, meh
try emulator bro, god of war 3 rpcs3
FINGER DOWN, who play 7800x3d/79003d whit rtx 4090 on 1080p ???
People with 240Hz monitors.
It's seem you've missed the point of this video, this is a CPU comparison, you run these kind of test at the lowest possible resolution as you literally don't want the GPU to become a factor at play.
If you'd run the same test at e.g. 4K the actually difference(the fps) between these CPU would be less as the GPU becomes more loaded(occupied) the CPU instead has to wait for the GPU.
trash cpu
bruh this is weird having such type of performance ( pls pin my comment )
how is it weird?
Its not, its totally expected to be as seen.
14900k is best