Legit thank you for this comment / context, I haven't played yet (I'm cool with spoilers) and like, knew this Was Bad bc Kim hated it so much, but not what 'the Icebreaker' actually meant
When I did a fascist play through I still took great efforts to avoid the racist dialogue options. I was okay with Kim thinking Harry was a fascist apocalyptic weirdo, but I did not want him to think Harry thought less of him. Never. Kim is too pure for the dark world of DE
It does until you find the absolutely amazing times he just goes along with Harry acting like an idiot - like the impromptu dance party in the church that Kim can join in on, or being so good at that one pinball machine that he stops hating pinball for long enough to congratulate Harry. Kim giving in to the dumbassery makes for some of the best moments in the game. Not so much any of a fascist route though.
Imagine if you were down to 1 health and 1 morale and you immediately died after Kim says “fuck” at you….. bro he’d think he killed you with a swear word
My favorite detail is an esprit de corps check that tells you Kim calls you officer when he’s angry with you and detective when he isn’t. He was so over this conversation at the start
@@lonesavior That club scene's absolutely brilliant for how much context it gives to Kim's character. It kills me that it's basically a breaking point for him on top of a ton of small things you never learn about him beforehand, like how patronizing he feels that you only address him by his first name and not his rank. One of the most telling aspects about the development is how they use red checks like the club as not just telling you you failed, but making you learn how to live with the failure by giving you something to take away from it. It's an amazing summation of the game's theme.
Makes you wonder when you're doing the autopsy report and say "the brain is very vulnerable to compromises in its blood supply" and Kim says "I think that may well be the moral of *every* story, officer" and grins saying it.
"Video games turn you psycho and make killers" Yeah then how come I deliberately make sure I don't dissapoint the one man who I would give the whole world for and would crumble if I was ever an asshole to.
Video games don't turn people violent. They were already violent. There are hundreds of millions of people who play video games. Even hundreds of millions of people like myself who have been playing games since a very young age. There aren't hundreds of millions of violent psychotic killers. lol
I am SO shocked Kim's VA had Kim as his debut role (from what I can tell) he fucking nails the genuinely good dude trying his best to help someone who is scatterbrained at the best of times and at the worst, well, "FUCKING insane"
I believe it was the narrator's first role too. They knocked it out of the park, and their performances are integral to the gameplay experience. The writing is great, but I feel like the minimal mechanical depth to the gameplay made convincing VA work a necessity. It's a pretty risky way to design a video game, but it sure paid off. At least, it resulted in a game which is committed to an endlessly engaging world, narrative, and characters
@@j.b.aw.6968 Joyce also mentions that volta do mar is a technique used by travelers to stay sane in the pale, so it's a little like the Composure skill with the added meaning of navigation/direction. It's both Kim's strong moral compass and his ability to stick to it regardless of the circumstances. What an icon
@@Zynet_Eseled no skills or thoughts. you get the notepad, and the car. and what those don't solve... tell the Harry to do something and see what happens
@themonsterkingr454 Harry goes on a 45 minute long tangent about communism to a teenage girl, gets a 30-minute long lecture on the nature of the pale from an ultra liberal while you just stand there, sighing.
Hearing people who don't usually swear throw out an f-bomb doesn't normally affect me, I swear so much I barely notice other people swearing usually, but the emphasis Kim put on that "Fuck" hit different. That connected with some part of my brain, buried deep within. God, I love Kim.
Yeah, I used to curse a lot. Now, when I do it, something really terrible (or stupid) has been said to me. It's been about two years now since I've cursed consistently out loud. I think they're more powerful when withheld and used at opportune moments.
Kim is literally the reason I've had such a hard time getting through Disco Elysium. I love him so much, he's so pure, and I want him to LIKE ME SO MUCH!
When you are morally and mentally kidnaped by a character in a videogame who is the kind to be an international treasure while still being realistic, you know the writting is godly
@@cosmicspacething3474Excerpt from the notebook of Kim Kitsuragi: Detective from Precinct 41 - sloppy bearing, yet strong track record - retrograde amnesia - strong investigative instincts - racist (intentional or subconscious?) - "the icebreaker" (fascistic delusion of grandeur???) *MORE INFO NEEDED
@@Sunrise_Parabellum1945 nah i was great friends with kim even as a racist and fascist. he's a totally chill guy, but it probably helps if you have high empathy and esprit de corps
in some ways its fun to keep him on a low simmer the whole game, the ending where he gets to summerize everything is funnier because he's like "Well he appears insane but then it turned out everything he did was in fact all connected, even the church nightclub, the cryptid, the drugs, the communism..." he gets to eat a little crow. teleporting is the funniest part because he's like "YOU JUST CLIMBED THE LADDER WITH YOUR EYES CLOSED"
LMAO! In my first playthrough I was apparently a Mazovian socio-economicist AND a hustler and confused Kim how I could be both at the same time. lol. I have no idea what I did to get that. I figured I was supposed to ask people for money so I did every chance I got.
@@suicune2001 I think it happens if you get offered ultraliberalism from your conscience and get Indirect Modes of Taxation thought. If you accept, even if you don't lock-in the thought later, I think it marks you down as an ultraliberal.
@@suicune2001 I ended up with equal parts communist and ultraliberal and Kim was very confused as to how I'm "very vocal' about both views when in reality I failed to realize that apparently I assumed the wrong context for what ultraliberal was supposed to mean and didn't realize it was basically the capitalism option
@@aSlimyDragon LOL! In my first play through, I somehow wound up being a Mazovian socio-economist who wants to liquidate the ruling class and an ultraliberal hustler who is always on the grind. XD I don't see it as confusing. I want to liquidate the ruling class - STRAIGHT INTO MY POCKETS!
The thing I really like about this conversation is that it’s an understated way of making fascist quest all for naught. You go through five minutes of building you up as this noble creature of suffering and adopt a moniker for it, and trying to instill that worldview in Kim immediately makes him smack some sense back into you and completely tear down your false pretenses.
@@Guille-mz7xf I think only Kim takes notice immediately after you leave the mirror. You either learn to keep your new outlook quiet from others, or Kim will immediately make it “uncool” to the point you don’t want to do it anymore. Either way, fascist Harry works “quietly”.
What's even funnier about this is that it's almost indistinguishable from adopting communism. Everyone either hates you or thinks you're an idiot. EXCEPT with communism equipped, harry thinks mostly about helping people. It makes a lot of sense when you remember the fact that when the game devs for this game were accepting an award for it, they thanked Marx and Engles.
@@visoriannull832 Harry fundamentally takes on extreme interpretations of every ideology in the game as a coping mechanism for the tragedy that is his life, and it’s amazing to see the amount of care given to extending an understanding of why each ideology appeals to his fractured mind. Each quest makes him something of a Don Quixote, searching for a purer purpose through political thought, failing spectacularly with it, but still fundamentally developing him and inspiring others beside him.
If you were to choose the "Noble Sufferer" option, Kim's off-handedly supportive of it Kim doesn't think anyone should call themselves that, but he does seem to like the concept of Harry quitting the drink even in the name of suffering
1:13 I love it when successful passive skill checks just lead to the skills doing the total opposite of what they're meant to do. There's a reaction speed check that's just "Uhm... Uhhh" on succeeding it.
If you choose the Firewalk option when you talked with the station kim also mentions that nickname in the Cousteau sentence. I really like all the details this game has.
I just tried a second playthrough, going a completely different way than how I first went through, and I couldn’t bring myself to continue after clearly disappointing Kim by punching the shit out of Cuno. Realized I couldn’t take a whole game of letting him down. Glad to be able to watch it in bits and pieces elsewhere
@@suicune2001 I also lied to him about not having my badge or gun, and it felt awful not telling him the truth and leaving him to find out in the shittiest possible ways. I don’t know how this game managed to make me care so much what a fictional character thinks of me, but here we are
@@archsteel7 Same here, I like Kim way to much. Want to do a Fascist play through but I just can't, because I would have to be a dick to him (as far as I know), and I don't want to do that. And how he praised me for being a Moralist at the ending to.
punching cuno is important for the good cuno ending though that nessecitates letting kim get shot at the end though I think it's healthy for everyone to get punched in the face at least once early in their life so they dont fuck around and find out at a much worse time
Kim is one of the best companions I have seen in a video game. It always made anxious to make decisions that may disappoint him. During the tribunal, when I saw that he REALLY thrusted me, i was so touched and so happy! But as in real live, shit can always happen. I failed the roll despite the high chances I had of succeeding. It broke my heart! However, as the game wants to teach us, we learn about our failures so better things can come. Having Cuno as a companion was so fun, and for me, one of the most touching parts of the game, was confronting my squat with my friend Cuno by my side, seeing how he finds the company that he desperately needs by him side. If you didn't have it in your playthrough, let the poor Kim to be shot so you can explore the island with Kuno. But don't worry, we are told that Kim doesn't die, he is in the hospital recovering.
Yep! Kim is so incredibly well-written! We'd take a bullet for him! I have done the Cuno route and even the message you see in his room breaks my heart. I don't remember if I uploaded that footage. I think I did. Even after being shot, he's concerned about YOU. He's worried you'll blame yourself and spiral downward.
Man I love moments like these with Kim, this one and whenever you confront Kim about his sexuality he drops it there as well. And Harry is just like “….. ok…” and I think it’s realistic like that.
I remember when I talked to Kim he said he was gay. I asked him "if he was a part of the homo sexual underground" and he said yes. Idk tho, doesn't matter to me either way, he'll always be my favorite character!
That was a display of Kim's massive Authority. If you try to get him to tell you about himself, you get into a "brow off" The check was unbeatable until the recent release
What a perfect game. Truly; the dialogue always had me in stitches and on the verge of tears nearly always. My god, why isn't this game far more revered.
Hands down one of the best games ever made. Apparently it originally came out without voice dialogue. The voice acting really sells it for me but the dialogue itself is also really great.
@@suicune2001 I couldn't agree more, the voices every one of them are fitting and haunting. When a bit of harrier's addled mind speaks up I hear it deeply; the dialogue is intoxicating.
@@suicune2001 though I do like cuno's original actor over the "remaster" otherwise a masterclass in game design, and deserves far more than it's gotten, than any game in my opinion. This is truly the most human peice of art I've ever encountered; it's messy and sad, but hopeful and wants better. More than music; movies, literature. This stands as a pinnacle above it all. Even the story of its conception is a force of hopefulness in this void of an existance.
@@Greendawn-di3dl Agreed. When I first started playing, I was going to be the worst person possible just for fun. But very early on where you have that call to your co-workers and one of them stood up for you while everyone was making fun of you, really hit me hard. I decided right then and there I'd take a redemption arc. So when we wound up in the church and the guy was telling Rapheal to stop drinking, even Kim had to agree. I even got the sobriety thought and the message was so great. I anguished when I found my car for the first time. Then I had the moment where we sat on the swings while we waited for the water to go down. I tried to whistle but just wound up spitting instead. Kim smiled but encouraged me to keep trying. I didn't want to stop being Rapheal. Being Harrier meant I had to take on all the responsibility of being a screw up and not even remember. But I eventually gave in. At the end his partner accuses Harrier of getting all those people killed, I could feel him slip back into depression and despair. Then Kim came to the rescue. This is the kind of art only a game could produce. The kind that really hits you in ways you'd never expect. Then you go back again and again and find different parts of humanity buried there in little stories and perspectives.
I need to know how you made Harry look like he finally showered, I have left him shave in the old woman’ shack and he turned into the picture of the saddest clown on earth
@@thexguy415 Yep!! I chalk it up to he has brain damage and is just easily manipulated by Gary. :( Geez, I just wondered how his co-workers would take to the change after they get back to the office. Yikes.
To be fair Kim is stoic throughout all the crap you do but the moment you get a legit angry reaction then you know you fucked up or you're being too ridiculous that you got on his nerves. It's like when you see the calm quiet person beat the shit out of someone because a hot topic button was pressed a little too hard.
one of my fav interactions is when kim raises his voice at the racist lorry driver, one because i love seeing kim stand up for himself two its one of the times you get to see him exercise Full Authority on someone who deserves it.
@@jjju3 *Full Authority.* _Damn,_ imagine if Amplified Skills were a thing. How they'd work, if it'd have to be your signature skill, etc. Maybe other similar skills would drain into that skill for a check and allow you to have one roll with the Amplified skill maxed out.
Hmm... I guess Kim really just doesn't like the word Icebreaker. When I did this quest I told Kim that I was "The last kingsman." And then he said, "The last kingsman..." he repeats pensively, inspecting your face. "That's fitting, I suppose. Almost as if you *did* manage to turn back time. If only for yourself." "Alright, detective," he reaches out and pats you on the arm. It feels strangely encouraging. "Let's get going, we've got a killer to catch." Empathy is right, and pretty literally too. It's not that Kim won't accept the new you; Kim just doesn't get the Icebreaker metaphor, but he'll understand if you say it another way.
Maybe it's because you're adding another label to yourself. We already walk around saying, "I am a cop! TELL ME EVERYTHING YOU KNOW! I am Raphael!" He probably doesn't want, "I am Icebreaker!" to go along with that.
It's the frustration of realizing your friend has completely bought in to fascism. You can call yourself a lot of iffy stuff, but "Icebreaker" indicates that you really do have some severe brain damage.
It's that type of writing and just general decency you come to imagine from a responsible adult and just hearing it in such a tone that makes it all that much more serious
Kim swearing at me makes me feel like a real asshole. Like how badly do you have to be fucking up for the most patient man in the world to lose his temper? I’d be like a kid, just looking at my shoes. “Sorry, Kim.”
I felt actual physical pain hearing Kim drop that F-bomb. Not since Devil May Cry 5 has an F-bomb been so emotionally impactful, but in this case it hurt while that one was hype.
You know...the whole master switch concept might make some meta sense. I mean, according to a certian divine figure, you were always...off. its played for mostly laughs in the game, but its clear that the detective has severe mental issues. Perhaps he heard that exact phrase before, from someone...?
I would say he has schizophrenia or something similar and clearly he's an addict so yeah, something is definitely off about him. (even his own inner voices are like "WTF is wrong with you?" Also, Kim is just badass so his disapproval would absolutely turn a switch in my head. lol
@@suicune2001 The three situations where all of your skill come together and agree on the same thing: the Mercenary Tribunal, where they all join forces to try and keep Harry alive. Meeting Dora in the dream, where they all come together to hate themselves, a reflex of Harry's own self-hatred when he thinks of Dora. And the Icebreaker, where they all come together to agree that, when having to choose between siding with Harry or Kim, Kim is always the obvious choice, because he's Kim
It's the old flag of Revachol before the revolution and before the Moralintern occupation. It's used as a representation of fascism in the same way the white antlers are one for communism
i take moral damage in real life when kim is dissapointed
LOL
harry: am racist now
kim: no
harry: ok
"I'm gonna be racist!"
"Don't be racist."
"Okay, then."
@@yazidefirenze It was not just 'don't be racist"
It was" ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!"
It hurt you physically and mentally lol
@@thehippie3610 F-Bombs Hurt
Legit thank you for this comment / context, I haven't played yet (I'm cool with spoilers) and like, knew this Was Bad bc Kim hated it so much, but not what 'the Icebreaker' actually meant
I accidentally said I was racist to the racist delivery guy and now I'm just owning up to it
Kim is so powerful that a single F-bomb from him damages both your healthpools AND turns your skills over to his side
LOL! Fortunately he's one of the good guys and not a super villain.
Ah, a fellow Layton vs Phoenix Wright enjoyer
Kim is the next Innocence.
@@citizencrimson201 YES
Kim put a lot of points into Authority.
Kim has 20 levels of authority
More like 8 or 9. You can convince him to tell you his secret and beat his raised eyebrow stare with as much.
@Mixsad Exactly. His Esprit de Corps told him to give in to camaraderie instead of using his Authority. Remember, he actually respects Harry.
@@Kimbie Less camaraderie and more chain of command, you do outrank him after all.
Missing at least three zeros there.
@@ukaszrybkowski2769 ordering him to dance requires 7 i think
The “Please help me understand.” Fucking kills me everytime. Kim is so sympathetic and good natured that it hurts to act like an idiot around him
It does. He tries so hard.
When I did a fascist play through I still took great efforts to avoid the racist dialogue options. I was okay with Kim thinking Harry was a fascist apocalyptic weirdo, but I did not want him to think Harry thought less of him. Never. Kim is too pure for the dark world of DE
It does until you find the absolutely amazing times he just goes along with Harry acting like an idiot - like the impromptu dance party in the church that Kim can join in on, or being so good at that one pinball machine that he stops hating pinball for long enough to congratulate Harry. Kim giving in to the dumbassery makes for some of the best moments in the game.
Not so much any of a fascist route though.
@@atelerix969 "I can excuse facism but I draw the line at fucking Kim over"
We don't deserve him, but I'm thankful he sticks around anyway
"Kim, I have become a fascist."
"ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!"
I mean - did he REALLY need to ask? lol
Imagine if you were down to 1 health and 1 morale and you immediately died after Kim says “fuck” at you….. bro he’d think he killed you with a swear word
LOL! He wouldn't be wrong.
Vicious Mockery cantrip
I wonder if there is a special ending card for that
Either that or he was right on the money with the stroke
Power Word Kill
It’s like when your mom uses your first, middle, and last name all at once, it activates a factory reset.
LOL!
White people feels ig
People listen to their moms?
I'm kinda bulletproof by that approach anymore since my mom always snapped at me for a very trivial reasons
My favorite detail is an esprit de corps check that tells you Kim calls you officer when he’s angry with you and detective when he isn’t. He was so over this conversation at the start
Going full racist in the club hints that its because he needs to remind himself you outrank him when you get stupid.
@@lonesavior That club scene's absolutely brilliant for how much context it gives to Kim's character. It kills me that it's basically a breaking point for him on top of a ton of small things you never learn about him beforehand, like how patronizing he feels that you only address him by his first name and not his rank.
One of the most telling aspects about the development is how they use red checks like the club as not just telling you you failed, but making you learn how to live with the failure by giving you something to take away from it. It's an amazing summation of the game's theme.
Makes you wonder when you're doing the autopsy report and say "the brain is very vulnerable to compromises in its blood supply" and Kim says "I think that may well be the moral of *every* story, officer" and grins saying it.
Kim is so awesome he can literally heal you of racism with single f-bomb
LOL! Yep! Legend.
"Video games turn you psycho and make killers"
Yeah then how come I deliberately make sure I don't dissapoint the one man who I would give the whole world for and would crumble if I was ever an asshole to.
Video games don't turn people violent. They were already violent. There are hundreds of millions of people who play video games. Even hundreds of millions of people like myself who have been playing games since a very young age. There aren't hundreds of millions of violent psychotic killers. lol
@@suicune2001 Not really the point I was aiming for but okay.
@@EdgarAllanPogo Oh, sorry. Lol
If Kim had to take the Airship to Graad, would you let him?
@@suicune2001 OP was making fun of people who say that video games turn people violent
I am SO shocked Kim's VA had Kim as his debut role (from what I can tell) he fucking nails the genuinely good dude trying his best to help someone who is scatterbrained at the best of times and at the worst, well, "FUCKING insane"
This was his first role? Whoa! O_O Dang, we need more of him in our lives!
I believe it was the narrator's first role too. They knocked it out of the park, and their performances are integral to the gameplay experience. The writing is great, but I feel like the minimal mechanical depth to the gameplay made convincing VA work a necessity. It's a pretty risky way to design a video game, but it sure paid off. At least, it resulted in a game which is committed to an endlessly engaging world, narrative, and characters
@@thomashightower7881game is 97% story and it’s one of the greatest games of all time surely in the top 100
Another rare instance of Kim making full use of his 15+ Authority stat
Imagine being so authoritative that raising your voice at someone deals them physical harm
Parents of small children
@@snowfloofcathug More like every strict abusive parents to their kids, but in this case Kim is in the right
If Harry's the human can opener Kim is like a human compass. Always there to point the way
@@j.b.aw.6968 Joyce also mentions that volta do mar is a technique used by travelers to stay sane in the pale, so it's a little like the Composure skill with the added meaning of navigation/direction. It's both Kim's strong moral compass and his ability to stick to it regardless of the circumstances. What an icon
@@j.b.aw.6968 dlc that is legit the game from his perspective? That would be sixk
@@Zynet_Eseled no skills or thoughts. you get the notepad, and the car. and what those don't solve... tell the Harry to do something and see what happens
@themonsterkingr454 Harry goes on a 45 minute long tangent about communism to a teenage girl, gets a 30-minute long lecture on the nature of the pale from an ultra liberal while you just stand there, sighing.
Hearing people who don't usually swear throw out an f-bomb doesn't normally affect me, I swear so much I barely notice other people swearing usually, but the emphasis Kim put on that "Fuck" hit different. That connected with some part of my brain, buried deep within. God, I love Kim.
Yeah. It was quite the shock. lol
It's like when you upset the nice teacher.
Yeah, I used to curse a lot. Now, when I do it, something really terrible (or stupid) has been said to me. It's been about two years now since I've cursed consistently out loud.
I think they're more powerful when withheld and used at opportune moments.
Kim is literally the reason I've had such a hard time getting through Disco Elysium. I love him so much, he's so pure, and I want him to LIKE ME SO MUCH!
+, без него было бы абсолютно не так
When you are morally and mentally kidnaped by a character in a videogame who is the kind to be an international treasure while still being realistic, you know the writting is godly
+1 The Lieutenant Trusts You
+2 Kim *really* Trusts You
Kim has his own voices in his head telling him to make sure Harry don't mess it up lol
Right. XD
☝️🤓 It’s stated in game that Kim’s notebook is the equivalent of Harry’s voices.
@@cosmicspacething3474Excerpt from the notebook of Kim Kitsuragi:
Detective from Precinct 41
- sloppy bearing, yet strong track record
- retrograde amnesia
- strong investigative instincts
- racist (intentional or subconscious?)
- "the icebreaker" (fascistic delusion of grandeur???) *MORE INFO NEEDED
Every page of his notebook starts with "Make sure Harry doesn't do something stupid."
"What are you fucking insane?"
Sorry Kim, it won't happen again...
I can't bear Kim's disappointment each and everyone of the 2.354 times I've fallen short of expectations.
I tried playing as a Fascist once and it was a torture. I couldn't even finish that playthrough and started a new game.
@@ForrestPump Roleplaying has its limits.
@@ForrestPump just be a ultra lib fash; it was what I did.
@@ForrestPump i hear he wont hate you if youre not racist and just a nationalist if you really need to get those achievements
@@Sunrise_Parabellum1945 nah i was great friends with kim even as a racist and fascist. he's a totally chill guy, but it probably helps if you have high empathy and esprit de corps
in some ways its fun to keep him on a low simmer the whole game, the ending where he gets to summerize everything is funnier because he's like "Well he appears insane but then it turned out everything he did was in fact all connected, even the church nightclub, the cryptid, the drugs, the communism..."
he gets to eat a little crow. teleporting is the funniest part because he's like "YOU JUST CLIMBED THE LADDER WITH YOUR EYES CLOSED"
LMAO! In my first playthrough I was apparently a Mazovian socio-economicist AND a hustler and confused Kim how I could be both at the same time. lol. I have no idea what I did to get that. I figured I was supposed to ask people for money so I did every chance I got.
@@suicune2001
I think it happens if you get offered ultraliberalism from your conscience and get Indirect Modes of Taxation thought. If you accept, even if you don't lock-in the thought later, I think it marks you down as an ultraliberal.
@@suicune2001 I ended up with equal parts communist and ultraliberal and Kim was very confused as to how I'm "very vocal' about both views when in reality I failed to realize that apparently I assumed the wrong context for what ultraliberal was supposed to mean and didn't realize it was basically the capitalism option
@@aSlimyDragon LOL! In my first play through, I somehow wound up being a Mazovian socio-economist who wants to liquidate the ruling class and an ultraliberal hustler who is always on the grind. XD
I don't see it as confusing. I want to liquidate the ruling class - STRAIGHT INTO MY POCKETS!
@@suicune2001 ULTRA ultraliberal. Hustle so hard that YOU'RE the one on top
The thing I really like about this conversation is that it’s an understated way of making fascist quest all for naught. You go through five minutes of building you up as this noble creature of suffering and adopt a moniker for it, and trying to instill that worldview in Kim immediately makes him smack some sense back into you and completely tear down your false pretenses.
Excellent point. I hadn't thought about it like that.
The whole thing happens In fascist run? I never tried it, but it would be funny to see people mocking the shit out of harry
@@Guille-mz7xf I think only Kim takes notice immediately after you leave the mirror. You either learn to keep your new outlook quiet from others, or Kim will immediately make it “uncool” to the point you don’t want to do it anymore. Either way, fascist Harry works “quietly”.
What's even funnier about this is that it's almost indistinguishable from adopting communism. Everyone either hates you or thinks you're an idiot. EXCEPT with communism equipped, harry thinks mostly about helping people.
It makes a lot of sense when you remember the fact that when the game devs for this game were accepting an award for it, they thanked Marx and Engles.
@@visoriannull832 Harry fundamentally takes on extreme interpretations of every ideology in the game as a coping mechanism for the tragedy that is his life, and it’s amazing to see the amount of care given to extending an understanding of why each ideology appeals to his fractured mind. Each quest makes him something of a Don Quixote, searching for a purer purpose through political thought, failing spectacularly with it, but still fundamentally developing him and inspiring others beside him.
Kim is a confirmed Bene Gesserit trained Voice user
I have no idea what that means. XD
how dare you use the voice on me?! Kim is just so good love him.
@@suicune2001 It’s a reference to Dune
@@butterbean9354 Ah ok. I haven't seen that movie / book.
Ohohhohhooo good one!
The best part about the Fascist route is you get recommend it by your lower digestive system, which, funnily enough, is full of shit.
LOL!!!
A literal gut reaction.
I didn't even make that choice and I'm still sorry, Kim.
He has that effect on people. XD
Don't be a sorry cop.
it hurt my feelings, his anger is too powerful
Right. I actually flinched and inwardly I was like, "I'M SORRY!!!" lol
If you were to choose the "Noble Sufferer" option, Kim's off-handedly supportive of it
Kim doesn't think anyone should call themselves that, but he does seem to like the concept of Harry quitting the drink even in the name of suffering
1:13 I love it when successful passive skill checks just lead to the skills doing the total opposite of what they're meant to do. There's a reaction speed check that's just "Uhm... Uhhh" on succeeding it.
I would literally cry and turn the game off if I got this naturally
Fortunately, you have to try REALLY hard to get this.
@@suicune2001 There's something way worse that you can easily get by accident though lol
@@Daniel_WR_Hart Ohhh? Do tell!
@@suicune2001 Kim is the best YMF, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise
@@Daniel_WR_Hart Dare I ask what a YMF is? Lol
Such is Kim's power that he's able to blast the stupid out of people with a single F bomb.
LOL!!! He needs to be broadcast all around the world.
If you choose the Firewalk option when you talked with the station kim also mentions that nickname in the Cousteau sentence. I really like all the details this game has.
Yeah. It had to be nuts to keep up with all the dialogue options.
you can also use both those names when talking to the Archer airship in the moralist quest and they refer to you by those names
I don't like Kim being upset with me
Not at all. :(
I love how his scolding injures your morale *and* phyiscal health.
Kim's disappointment hurts so much it did physical damage too
Kim is just too cool
I just tried a second playthrough, going a completely different way than how I first went through, and I couldn’t bring myself to continue after clearly disappointing Kim by punching the shit out of Cuno. Realized I couldn’t take a whole game of letting him down. Glad to be able to watch it in bits and pieces elsewhere
LOL! I don't think I've ever punched Cuno though I have tried giving him drugs. :)
@@suicune2001 I also lied to him about not having my badge or gun, and it felt awful not telling him the truth and leaving him to find out in the shittiest possible ways. I don’t know how this game managed to make me care so much what a fictional character thinks of me, but here we are
@@archsteel7 Same here, I like Kim way to much. Want to do a Fascist play through but I just can't, because I would have to be a dick to him (as far as I know), and I don't want to do that. And how he praised me for being a Moralist at the ending to.
punching cuno is important for the good cuno ending though that nessecitates letting kim get shot at the end
though I think it's healthy for everyone to get punched in the face at least once early in their life so they dont fuck around and find out at a much worse time
@@qwertyzxcvbn6929 woah bro spoiler city
Immediate moral and physical damage received from the guilt of disappointing Kim
Kim called you cringe lmao
Kim is one of the best companions I have seen in a video game. It always made anxious to make decisions that may disappoint him.
During the tribunal, when I saw that he REALLY thrusted me, i was so touched and so happy! But as in real live, shit can always happen. I failed the roll despite the high chances I had of succeeding. It broke my heart!
However, as the game wants to teach us, we learn about our failures so better things can come. Having Cuno as a companion was so fun, and for me, one of the most touching parts of the game, was confronting my squat with my friend Cuno by my side, seeing how he finds the company that he desperately needs by him side.
If you didn't have it in your playthrough, let the poor Kim to be shot so you can explore the island with Kuno. But don't worry, we are told that Kim doesn't die, he is in the hospital recovering.
Yep! Kim is so incredibly well-written! We'd take a bullet for him! I have done the Cuno route and even the message you see in his room breaks my heart. I don't remember if I uploaded that footage. I think I did. Even after being shot, he's concerned about YOU. He's worried you'll blame yourself and spiral downward.
@@suicune2001I didn’t even know he left a message
Man I love moments like these with Kim, this one and whenever you confront Kim about his sexuality he drops it there as well. And Harry is just like “….. ok…” and I think it’s realistic like that.
I remember when I talked to Kim he said he was gay. I asked him "if he was a part of the homo sexual underground" and he said yes. Idk tho, doesn't matter to me either way, he'll always be my favorite character!
I can’t do it, I cannot do a “be rude to Kim” play through 😅
I did it so you don't have to. :)
Probably should have been an Espirit De Corps cut-in to remind you you're still a cop and acting like a jackass who isn't doing his job.
ESPRIT DE CORPS (Legendary: Failed) A good cop always knows when to listen to his partner. This is one of those times.
Damn, Kim really said "thats cringe" and did a hard resent on his brain
That was a display of Kim's massive Authority.
If you try to get him to tell you about himself, you get into a "brow off"
The check was unbeatable until the recent release
I think all conflicts should be resolved with a brow-off. XD
@@suicune2001
Harry: Hey Kim, tell me your dirty little secret
Kim: Brow me
Man, I'm surprised Harry didn't take more damage.
I'm glad some people upload things like these. I just can't bring myself to wrong Kim in any way, shape, or form on my own
Imagine if this kills you 😂
"Stop doing that!"
"And you see God, i thought he meant, living."
I think it would be like,
"How did you die?"
"I failed Kim and couldn't handle it."
"Oh! Understandable."
What a perfect game. Truly; the dialogue always had me in stitches and on the verge of tears nearly always. My god, why isn't this game far more revered.
Hands down one of the best games ever made. Apparently it originally came out without voice dialogue. The voice acting really sells it for me but the dialogue itself is also really great.
@@suicune2001 I couldn't agree more, the voices every one of them are fitting and haunting. When a bit of harrier's addled mind speaks up I hear it deeply; the dialogue is intoxicating.
@@suicune2001 though I do like cuno's original actor over the "remaster" otherwise a masterclass in game design, and deserves far more than it's gotten, than any game in my opinion. This is truly the most human peice of art I've ever encountered; it's messy and sad, but hopeful and wants better. More than music; movies, literature. This stands as a pinnacle above it all. Even the story of its conception is a force of hopefulness in this void of an existance.
@@Greendawn-di3dl Agreed. When I first started playing, I was going to be the worst person possible just for fun. But very early on where you have that call to your co-workers and one of them stood up for you while everyone was making fun of you, really hit me hard. I decided right then and there I'd take a redemption arc. So when we wound up in the church and the guy was telling Rapheal to stop drinking, even Kim had to agree. I even got the sobriety thought and the message was so great. I anguished when I found my car for the first time. Then I had the moment where we sat on the swings while we waited for the water to go down. I tried to whistle but just wound up spitting instead. Kim smiled but encouraged me to keep trying. I didn't want to stop being Rapheal. Being Harrier meant I had to take on all the responsibility of being a screw up and not even remember. But I eventually gave in. At the end his partner accuses Harrier of getting all those people killed, I could feel him slip back into depression and despair. Then Kim came to the rescue.
This is the kind of art only a game could produce. The kind that really hits you in ways you'd never expect. Then you go back again and again and find different parts of humanity buried there in little stories and perspectives.
Also holy shit, this is a year old and you still pay attention to the comments. Kudos brother.
Victor Reznov spent years with Mason just to override his programming.
Kim: one sentence.
I haven't been to this moment yet, so after watching it I literally started crying. I'd do everything for him, I swear
This isn't nearly as bad as the one where you call Kim racial slurs. T___T
Same energy as Michael Jordan's "Stop it. Get some help.". It always gets you to stop and seek help.
Kim Kitsuragi, the Innocence of patience, professionalism, restoration and transportation.
I need to know how you made Harry look like he finally showered, I have left him shave in the old woman’ shack and he turned into the picture of the saddest clown on earth
LOL! It's very painful to do. You have to become a fascist. :(
@@suicune2001 Noo! Not my Harry, I’ll have to keep hiding the existence of running water from him for the sake of his betterment
@@thexguy415 Yep!! I chalk it up to he has brain damage and is just easily manipulated by Gary. :(
Geez, I just wondered how his co-workers would take to the change after they get back to the office. Yikes.
free serotonin button 0:55
Serotonin? Upsetting Kim raises my anxiety. D:
@@suicune2001 same here, i just get excited when he says the f word :')
@@idilmedia Fair. XD It's like spotting a really angry unicorn.
Simply put I refused to call myself an icebreaker and rather just the last Kingsman which made much more sense according to the quest.
There’s so much I still haven’t seen in this game. Best open world game I’ve ever played.
Right! Every time I thought I'd seen it all, I found more stuff!
@@suicune2001 One thing I thought was really cool is if you find the crashed car on the day that Ken is gone, he might never find out about it.
"Are you FUCKING INSANE"
turned me on a little bit,
what a man this kitsuragi
The one thing I always try to avoid and have actively go out of my way to do is upset Kim.
That's a good strategy. lol
To be fair Kim is stoic throughout all the crap you do but the moment you get a legit angry reaction then you know you fucked up or you're being too ridiculous that you got on his nerves. It's like when you see the calm quiet person beat the shit out of someone because a hot topic button was pressed a little too hard.
Yep. You know you messed up when he's outwardly angry.
one of my fav interactions is when kim raises his voice at the racist lorry driver, one because i love seeing kim stand up for himself two its one of the times you get to see him exercise Full Authority on someone who deserves it.
@@jjju3 Agreed! And even better because you can choose to back him up.
@@jjju3 *Full Authority.* _Damn,_ imagine if Amplified Skills were a thing.
How they'd work, if it'd have to be your signature skill, etc. Maybe other similar skills would drain into that skill for a check and allow you to have one roll with the Amplified skill maxed out.
I'm really bothered that he doesn't react more strongly to you trying to shoot a child.
Hmm... I guess Kim really just doesn't like the word Icebreaker. When I did this quest I told Kim that I was "The last kingsman." And then he said,
"The last kingsman..." he repeats pensively, inspecting your face. "That's fitting, I suppose. Almost as if you *did* manage to turn back time. If only for yourself."
"Alright, detective," he reaches out and pats you on the arm. It feels strangely encouraging. "Let's get going, we've got a killer to catch."
Empathy is right, and pretty literally too. It's not that Kim won't accept the new you; Kim just doesn't get the Icebreaker metaphor, but he'll understand if you say it another way.
Maybe it's because you're adding another label to yourself. We already walk around saying, "I am a cop! TELL ME EVERYTHING YOU KNOW! I am Raphael!" He probably doesn't want, "I am Icebreaker!" to go along with that.
I am the law@@suicune2001
It's the frustration of realizing your friend has completely bought in to fascism. You can call yourself a lot of iffy stuff, but "Icebreaker" indicates that you really do have some severe brain damage.
This is almost as loud as when Kim needed another way into the the building.
I like how, not only does it damage your morale, but it also damages your health. as if him yelling at you causes literal pain.
I like how kim is fairly tame, even in his delivery when he's supposed to be pissed
There's anger in there, but it's moreso confusion
Kim definitely puts all his skill points into authority
You can't argue with the results. Lol
It's that type of writing and just general decency you come to imagine from a responsible adult and just hearing it in such a tone that makes it all that much more serious
Kim swearing at me makes me feel like a real asshole. Like how badly do you have to be fucking up for the most patient man in the world to lose his temper? I’d be like a kid, just looking at my shoes. “Sorry, Kim.”
Yep. I was like, "I'M SORRY!" 😭 when I did that. Lol.
If Kim wasn’t such a stand up guy he could rule the world
I welcome our new Kim overlord. 🙏
Thanks for uploading as I'll probably never get to see this in my own playthrough cuz I just don't want to disappoint Kim
god I did this one and I was SCREAMING. He's so worried about Harry but then he just fucking. snaps. he can't take any more.
Everyone has their limits. Poor Kim. lol
@@suicune2001 honesty during the fascist playthrough his limit should have been wayyy earlier than this lol. he's unbelievably patient
@@kateyepawtch Right! Most people would have snapped WAY before that point. That's why Kim is a legend.
I felt actual physical pain hearing Kim drop that F-bomb. Not since Devil May Cry 5 has an F-bomb been so emotionally impactful, but in this case it hurt while that one was hype.
You know...the whole master switch concept might make some meta sense. I mean, according to a certian divine figure, you were always...off. its played for mostly laughs in the game, but its clear that the detective has severe mental issues.
Perhaps he heard that exact phrase before, from someone...?
I would say he has schizophrenia or something similar and clearly he's an addict so yeah, something is definitely off about him. (even his own inner voices are like "WTF is wrong with you?"
Also, Kim is just badass so his disapproval would absolutely turn a switch in my head. lol
@@suicune2001 The three situations where all of your skill come together and agree on the same thing: the Mercenary Tribunal, where they all join forces to try and keep Harry alive. Meeting Dora in the dream, where they all come together to hate themselves, a reflex of Harry's own self-hatred when he thinks of Dora. And the Icebreaker, where they all come together to agree that, when having to choose between siding with Harry or Kim, Kim is always the obvious choice, because he's Kim
@@pabloc8808 Oh yeah! Good catch.
There's a fourth situation: "Mr. Evrart is helping me find my gun."
The skills all agree that the loop Harry is in needs to stop.
@@pabloc8808 technically they all come together to be horny for Klaasje too, until Volition steps in
"aRE yOu fUcKinG iNsAnE?!" I took irl morale damage from it 😂❤ love Kim sm
Same! 😂😭
I`m shook. I played the whole game (once, tho), and never heard Kim snap or using the F-bomb.
You need to play it about 30 more times. You won't regret it. :)
This game had the best dialogue options of all time
A dizzying blow to body and brain
They don't call him Kimball for nothin I'll tell ya that...
i love this man so much
Glory to Revachol!
*Everyone important disliked that.*
Just standing there with the prybar… 😂
My hands got cold while watching this.
Ive barely ever heard of this game and don’t even know the name, but every time I see it I almost want to try it out
It's called Disco Elysium. And I highly HIGHLY recommend you try it!
@@suicune2001 I’ll look into it. Thanks for the recommend
Definitely try it!
I did not get to this point of the game yet, but whatever you doing it was way wwaaay crazy. Kim can stand high highhhh doses of my bullshit so far...
LOL! This is a very specific quest. You have to go out of your way to do it.
thanks for the suggestion sisyphus prime
I just told him I was the last kingsmen. He was apparently fine with that (I mean, for being the last)
Wait, what happens if you have only 1 health and 1 morale when this happens? What is the death counted as?
I dunno. lol. That would need some very specific timing.
I'd assume Harry would die from a heart attack. Heartbreak from hearing Kim's disappointment in you is no joke.
I freaking love this game
Kim has psychic powers confirmed
Gay love is like that
Don't be fascists, kids
A Disco Elysium sequel with Kim as the player character wouldn't work because of how OP he would be having every stat maxed out
Not every. He has weak Perception and Conceptualization. And he has none of Harry's supranatural abilities, like Inland Empire.
slayed
Imagine if you were on one health during this interaction. Kim calling you out on your BS would literally kill you.
How do you even get this conversation?
Do the Icebreaker quest.
I saw Harry's picture in the corner and realized that this is Kim reacting to Harry becoming a fascist
god I love this game
I think it's seriously one of the best games I've ever played. These developers deserve ALL the awards.
Hey, doesn’t Gary the cryptofascist have the same background on his portrait? The one with the flag and sun/ crest?
Yep
It's the old flag of Revachol before the revolution and before the Moralintern occupation. It's used as a representation of fascism in the same way the white antlers are one for communism
"You are not Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau, and you're not an icebreaker" 🤓
how did u get so much money?
I cheated.
@@suicune2001 Chad.
How did you get Harry's portrait to look like that?
You have to do the Fascist quest line. You'd need to look up a guide on how to do it. It's very specific.