Its crazy that an average melee player can compete with the one of the best players in the world because of how polarizing the difference between Bowser and Fox is.
@@FortWhenTeaThyme I think it's because it was game 1. Mango of course knows Fox, but you have to get used to the player you are playing. Once he got used to Ludwig's patterns, the rest was easy.
So many Melee babies born out of the Mango/Lud collabs. I can’t wait to see them at an interview. “How’d you get into the scene” “I saw Mango have fun with QT’s Psyduck”
His Bowser ain't bad actually, it would be improved by using Koopa klaw more, and playing a bit safer. That being said Bowser is a very hard character for top players because he plays so radically different than all the other characters
@@Vomer0 they are probably just estimating. Mang0 probably makes 350k or somewhere in that ballpark from twitch (donos+subs), probably like 20k per year in prize money (not counting the 50k he just won), probably close to twitch salary in C9 salary because he moves a metric ass ton of merch (or so Jack says), probably at least 50k in his portfolio earnings (he's talked about having a financial advisor before, and I would imagine his portfolio is decent), C9 merch royalty portion is probably a decent chunk (I have no hard estimate for this), and youtube + other miscellaneous streams are probably a solid amount combined as well. I think 700-800k is a decent estimate. Disclaimer in that this is all off the top of my head, so could be way, way off. If mang has said on stream that he clocks just under a mill though, I'd be inclined to believe him.
Fighting games dont really pull that much money; so for Mang0, winning the 50'000 is more like you or I getting our tax returns. Man pulls fat stacks. The win is probably more about status and emotional reward than the prize pool
@@exeterd9 The sheer frequency of top pros shining compared to Ludwig should be pretty observable. He shined maybe 5 times the whole vid. Top pros spam it.
@@ianprado1488 theres a guy on youtube he has a small channel but skeletonssbm has some great accomplishments like taking a stock off ppmd and 3 stocking ryan ford
@@ianprado1488 The most recent top player with a seriously good Bowser to match them being a top player got cancelled. There's a couple good players that pop up here and there that are trying to seriously push Bowser, but you always fall into the same problems for low tier mains. They have to have insane tech skill, ridiculous tricks, and sometimes the top pro esque understanding of the game but the character is just such a bottleneck that it prevents these good players from being in conversations about notable/top players outside of "who is a good X main". For the most part, the best "low tier/mid-low tier" is almost always a top pro's alt and the best "low tier/mid-low tier main" is just some guy in a discord being a maniac glutton for punishment.
@@XxRipstikersxX I don’t believe that’s true for a second. Frame data doesn’t lie my guy, and Mang0 was playing very unoptimally as bowser. I think it’s especially ridiculous to make that claim when I could choose Sheik and chaingrab. Mang0 is an amazing player, but he’s not god and he can’t change how the game works.
@@ClassicBentobox no he really is. I saw him play fox on stream, not in this incidence. I know it's crazy, but someone who plays Mango regularly enough, even for fun, to be this bad is crazy.
Ludwig's decision-making in Melee is so dogshit, even though he's probably a nice guy. It's nice to see him play against a competent Melee player for once and see his ass decisions get punished, but only because he's so prideful
@@ariesomega2487 She has high knockback; but like... Bowser has legitimate mix in advantage states. Bowser is bad. Still, how shitty he feels to play usually results in a cognitive bias. His tools are pretty good for an old man game bottom tier. It feels weird to say people downplay Bowser. I have to state that this is not "nah, he's good, you just have to use him right lulw." Bowser feels worse than he is. That's all
The first match looks like a game that you would see from staying in the start menu for too long
Bruh I fucking forgot that's even a feature in the real game. Throwback!
they usually have 4 player matches but
bowser so big youd might as well call it a 5 player match
Really funny comment
hahaahahhahah man
it's attract mode
“I could beat your ness”
“His name is Big Mac”
“Never mind”
lmao
As a pichu main, I gotta say that ness is cringe
@@fukawadesu wtf is a pichu
@@fukawadesu AFAIK No Ness mains have modded the game to cheat in tournament 🤔
That’s fucking right
It’s hard to imagine these 2 characters exist in the same games engine lmfao
I disagree. Melee is beautiful but it's an extreme fucking mess
@@Sulidaire it's an extremely beautiful mess though. Like looking at a Picasso painting. When you know what you're looking at, it's gorgeous.
Not really
I thought you were talking about Ludwig and Mang0
@@ubsurd0729 that's pretty funny
the moment lud started repeatedly f throwing i lost it theres no way he knew about that fake chain grab
he studied for this and still lost lul
to funny
It’s mango being visibly triggered on why Lud hits them mid shorts and shortens is what does it for me lmaooo
Its crazy that an average melee player can compete with the one of the best players in the world because of how polarizing the difference between Bowser and Fox is.
@Reno Daza I had an aneurism reading this
@@chancesellars9546 That was a completely coherent sentence...
@@dragonwingz1 yea I’m also dumb so screw you
They're also just playin for funzies
@@chancesellars9546 crazy how Bowser is so much worse than fix that lud (average) can compete with mango (arguably 🐐)
I love how Mango still has the fucking globe behind him lmao GOLD
It'll never return ever 😂
"Do I have a chaingrab? Nerds quick"
*M2K trying to tweet but but realizing he's still blocked
Why is he blocked?
@dalgusmaximus4557 m2k asked Mango a dumb question about a sports team name. Something about ostriches and eagles flying I think
I dunno if it's Axe that elevates Mang0's Bowser, but those matches felt like the man was handling Ludwig with kid's gloves
Ludwigs just god awful
Yeah I'm pretty surprised Mango's bowser even lost a game. It normally does pretty well considering, you know, Bowser.
@@FortWhenTeaThyme I think it's because it was game 1. Mango of course knows Fox, but you have to get used to the player you are playing. Once he got used to Ludwig's patterns, the rest was easy.
Needed more down throw. The ultimate disrespect is just to LAY ON THEM.
So many Melee babies born out of the Mango/Lud collabs. I can’t wait to see them at an interview.
“How’d you get into the scene”
“I saw Mango have fun with QT’s Psyduck”
lmao firepuff also boaz is short message him that
@@myles831 lmaooo who are you and why do you msg me everywhere on RUclips to say this 😅
Boaz is FireNation so I got their back 😛
@@FirePuff12 im firenation and mangonation and ive known boaz for five years irl i got him into melee
The legend returns
also im like half an inch taller than boaz so hes short
This feels like when Zain plays Roy... You just have to win neutral/hard read your opponent 20000000 times in a row
Does Lud know fox has a down b move or nah
His reflector is not that good, all it does is block projectiles and hit people next to you. You can jump out of it though
@@danielbojkovski723 doesn't seem reliable enough and a down b couldn't carry any fighter to an upper echelon like Sheik
@@VV-Vash Read the room
B moves are for scrubs
Yeah, ness’s down-b is way better because you can absorb the damage and heal yourself
Omg Tuesday by Tennyson. If anyone happens to wonder what the song at 13:20 is lol its a fucking amazing song
Oh god my Lud NEVER lasering at all when it's so dirty good against Bowser just hurt my soul bro
hmmm, this ain't the same bowser i see in mango-axe wednesdays, something ain't right here
Certain stage hazards can make any character look like shit.
He's washed up.
@@malibération ok buddy
As someone who plays bowser against his friends, this video perfectly capsules the bowser experience. Good shit Mango!
Every time Mang0 talked about how bad bowser is
He was right
Now how do I get ludwig to give me money for beating him with bowser
Just win summit lol, you got my vote 😂
@@jackmanhardt9909 good idea
imo he is a tier below the rest
i would pay money to watch you give ludwig the hands on stream
Gimpyfish for summit
His Bowser ain't bad actually, it would be improved by using Koopa klaw more, and playing a bit safer. That being said Bowser is a very hard character for top players because he plays so radically different than all the other characters
I fucking knew you were going to comment LOL.
This. Bowser is a potential top tier but pros just suck at playing him, he takes almost as much skill as it would for a skilled roy to beat any fox
@@sorrydudebros lol
I deleted the other comment by the way
I knew you gonna comment Something
one of the hardest things with Bowser For me was the decision between actually using other moves or just spamming up B
Wouldnt be a Mang0 video if the audio didnt shit out half way because of the BGM and me having a panic attack thinking my speakers were finally dying
m2k should coach mang0 on how to play low tiers
m2k knows better than to put himself through that lol.
Playing Melee Bowser is like rolling up to a street fight with cinderblocks for shoes
No it isn't. Cinder blocks can at least deal massive damage.
@@dalgusmaximus4557 His overall massive damage and high knockback power are widely considered to be Melee Bowser's only two positive attributes.
@@JC_Revan yes true.
missed opportunity to use ludwig's face for the thumbnail lol
BRO the fact that hes bringing half of the winnings to vegas makes me sad. 10k is still stupid but makes way more sense than 20 gahd damn.
Dont feel too bad he makes a bit less than a mil a year, between twitch and C9 hes doing just fine
@@Vomer0 they are probably just estimating. Mang0 probably makes 350k or somewhere in that ballpark from twitch (donos+subs), probably like 20k per year in prize money (not counting the 50k he just won), probably close to twitch salary in C9 salary because he moves a metric ass ton of merch (or so Jack says), probably at least 50k in his portfolio earnings (he's talked about having a financial advisor before, and I would imagine his portfolio is decent), C9 merch royalty portion is probably a decent chunk (I have no hard estimate for this), and youtube + other miscellaneous streams are probably a solid amount combined as well. I think 700-800k is a decent estimate.
Disclaimer in that this is all off the top of my head, so could be way, way off. If mang has said on stream that he clocks just under a mill though, I'd be inclined to believe him.
Fighting games dont really pull that much money; so for Mang0, winning the 50'000 is more like you or I getting our tax returns. Man pulls fat stacks. The win is probably more about status and emotional reward than the prize pool
Bruh MANGOS VIDEO EDITOR DID US DIRTY PLAYING AN AD RIGHT BEFORE THE LAST HIT OF THE MATCH AT 7:23 HAHAHAHAHA
"do I have a chaingrab" lmao
Might be a lot more work but I think having ludwigs cam + comms as well would make the video way better.
For sure
This is my second favorite matchup behind Kirby Marth
3:09 this is what my unranked games look like
Only Mang0 can prove MUs and tier lists are just a theoretical concepts that people throw around, TWICE. Truly the GOAT
i think the real lesson here is ludwig sucks ass
@@thomas-tk6ce yea tier lists don't mean shit at the lower levels
I'll take proving they can shit on you with any character for $500 Alex:
"Who is Mew2King?"
The best smash content I’ve seen in ages
Lud definitely doesn’t know when to shine lol. As a casual player, I can totally relate
If thats true then how do you know when he is not shining? Kind of a paradox
@@exeterd9 knowledge of skill doesn’t equal execution of skill
@@coldramentpm1013 exactly u could watch someone do it a million times in melee and if u have never tried it ur deff not gonna do it
@@exeterd9 The sheer frequency of top pros shining compared to Ludwig should be pretty observable. He shined maybe 5 times the whole vid. Top pros spam it.
This was one of the funniest Melee matches Ive had to watch, no offense to lud cause ik he doesnt play Fox
7:05 *Fuck My Ass with a fucking Spoon* LMAOOOOOOOO MANGO 💀💀
"I just won ~$50k for winning a tournament for a game I've been playing non-stop for 20 years-oh god a low tier, NERDS HELP!"
Ludwig's fox makes me think of mine, randomly walks instead of runs (also puff main lol)
Needs more koopa claw
now this is premium content
Agreed
Don’t think I saw a single laser from Ludwig here, seems like that would be a good move against bowser lol
Post a massive summit win, and we're getting dope content. Let's go Mango
that big mac part fucked me up, big mac is my tag and my first main in ultimate was ness
Lidwigs fox is so bad I see it too
I wish he’d grind melee again
bowser should be way heavier than this
Seeing how bad mangos bowser is, it makes me respect actually good bowser and bowser mains much more
Who's a Bowser main?
@@ianprado1488 warriorknight
@@ianprado1488 theres a guy on youtube he has a small channel but skeletonssbm has some great accomplishments like taking a stock off ppmd and 3 stocking ryan ford
@@ianprado1488 The most recent top player with a seriously good Bowser to match them being a top player got cancelled. There's a couple good players that pop up here and there that are trying to seriously push Bowser, but you always fall into the same problems for low tier mains. They have to have insane tech skill, ridiculous tricks, and sometimes the top pro esque understanding of the game but the character is just such a bottleneck that it prevents these good players from being in conversations about notable/top players outside of "who is a good X main". For the most part, the best "low tier/mid-low tier" is almost always a top pro's alt and the best "low tier/mid-low tier main" is just some guy in a discord being a maniac glutton for punishment.
@@jigglypuff7039 you're right about ppmd but ryan ford was definitely not him? that was dj
They gave bowser one good move and they made it sound like that
the floating big mac had me dead
The wish I wasn’t third all time behind Hungrybox mang0
No way Ludwig is actually this bad
He's a retired commentator that mains Puff what do you expect
He probably did better then you would against mangos bowser
@@XxRipstikersxX
I don’t believe that’s true for a second. Frame data doesn’t lie my guy, and Mang0 was playing very unoptimally as bowser.
I think it’s especially ridiculous to make that claim when I could choose Sheik and chaingrab. Mang0 is an amazing player, but he’s not god and he can’t change how the game works.
@@ClassicBentobox lmaoo
@@ClassicBentobox no he really is. I saw him play fox on stream, not in this incidence. I know it's crazy, but someone who plays Mango regularly enough, even for fun, to be this bad is crazy.
Ludwig: "I'm an English major."
Also Ludwig: "So I says to him, I says, a man of reason, I says that's a bad idea."
Fox and bowser are on such a different level
yo shout out to the man who fixed janks name in the patreon credits
The best bowser can beat any Marth
"Can't get that God or what"
*fucking dies*
he didnt even blow flames
Ludwig's decision-making in Melee is so dogshit, even though he's probably a nice guy. It's nice to see him play against a competent Melee player for once and see his ass decisions get punished, but only because he's so prideful
Like from 11:53 to 12:14 ... without context, you'd guess the age of the Fox player is
7:57 sam gellaitry POG
If that was mango’s Fox vs the bowser it would’ve been a JV 10
Ludwig’s Fox is so bad it’s funny I think he used shine like two times
Completely forgot bowser was in melee tbh
Yo Ludwig was popping off for a hot sec. And then he lost it.
SkeletonSSBM would be proud
What’s up with the sound quality dropping to poop at 9:55? Or are my ear buds just toast 😭😭
dmca dodge
@@patckpw thanks was about to ask myself
i got it too
Thank you I thought I was crazy
@@patckpw word that def makes sense. That’s the mang0
Mango’s the GOAT.
I wanna see more Ludwig melee
this first match hurts to watch
at this point i dont even think mang0 wins because hes a unit i just think ludwigs bad
That's a terrible fox.
Proof Bowser beats fox
That combo at 10:22 GODLIKE
the true Summit Thug Finals we didn’t know we needed
How do you play online melee anyway
Not enough koopabackdashwaveslide hoverwalkmoonland 0/10
Bowser needs its own tier, Kirby is sooo much better
never heard that scooby monch sound on side b. thought i was going crazy
I hope mango throws some stank on it
Other than full empty hop grab, the other Ludwig is apparently mid shorten into 4 downtilts.
07:03 i was not ready
9:07 mang0 listens to Sam Gellaitry, only legends fuck with Sam G
Bruh moment
Not Kirby, false advertisement
Everyone gangsta til bowser goes
_whhEEEEEEeeeeeereeeeww_
anyone know what mango's shirt is called, or where I could find it?
It’s the $2,000 shirt at Dan Flashes
Found it: "Mnycxen Fashion Men And Women Short Sleeve V Neck Skeleton Print Beach Shirts Tops" at walmart
Looks like Mango has been going hard at Dan Flashes, that shirt is fucking complicated
I want to shit on Ludwig but drunk mango bowser would probably beat me too lol
Song at 9:14?
Nice shirt Mango, Mrs. Brandandorf got me the same one
Could you tell me the brand/name of the shirt?
whyd you auto connect to mcdonalds wifi in game 3 tho?
I got that kind of hobostache 😂 and i know you eat it while eating a burger or some shit 😂😂😂😂
Great video
how long ago was this? wanna watch the vod
nice shirt mang
I've never seen someone play this character this well. Up B on the ground as well as not moving too much
Watch the clips of Dj Nintendo. He was the bowser main we needed even tho he switched to fox later
Why was this so tough to watch
As a Bowser main, Mang0's Bowser hurt me to watch lmao. So many missed opportunitiessss.
suspiciously low amount of zelda and kirby in this video. bowser has a thug getup attack and upb oos
Zelda is way better than both these trashcans
Her cc dsmash and bair alone are better than bowsers whole kit
@@ariesomega2487 you just haven't seen the true power of lord bowser
@@ariesomega2487 She has high knockback; but like... Bowser has legitimate mix in advantage states. Bowser is bad. Still, how shitty he feels to play usually results in a cognitive bias. His tools are pretty good for an old man game bottom tier. It feels weird to say people downplay Bowser. I have to state that this is not "nah, he's good, you just have to use him right lulw." Bowser feels worse than he is. That's all
@@Se7enRemain that may actually be true. He plays like no other character cause his horrendous jump squad.
WE WANT MANG0 MARIO
Those subathon bucks running dry
Lud’s fox kinda looks like an ult fox lowkey
Bowser is so bunz
Spiky beyblade vs athletic furry