The issue is that the community around Lego is mostly focused on making realistic MOCs rather than making something that is functional yet not necessarily representing ideally a real vehicle. That's simply because it's easier for most of the people to tell whether you did a good of depicting existing vehicle rather than looking into someone's MOC's construction, mechanism, techniques etc. So we end up with big models that barely move and don't have much functions over something that is medium sized with a lot of functions, but isn't looking like a real car. Also because of the above, if you make a MOC that isn't based on some real vehicle, even if you have perfect execution and visual composition, people will argue it looks bad because it doesn't look like vehicles of specific type. And Lego is most likely looking at that if we end up with more licensed builds than cool car models that have more functions instead of licensing fees.
A person who doesn't know anything about Lego technic or cars, will be equally impressed by a good looking build and complex mechanisms especially after showing them what it does. My 8x8 Lego technic MOC looks terrible at the moment but the sheer size, and power make it very impressive. Thanks to its design, it can climb a FIFTY degree hill which is insane to watch. Also, the electronically controlled sequential gearbox changing speeds looks complex and is satisfying to watch. Sure, someone who doesn't know stuff about engineering prioritizes looks but mechanical things can be equally or more impressive and also fun
I'm not sure I agree with the idea that Technic has to sacrifice aesthetics for functions. I always thought all the Technic sport cars looked like squarish boxes on wheels and only recently, starting with the GT3 RS, they went a bit bolder with the panel positioning at weird angles, rendering a more interesting exterior shape. I think they evolved to a stage where they introduced enough panels so that you can create beautiful curves that will never be available in Creator. While Creator can pull off a good looking Mustang, which has a more bulky design, a modern day super car will never look good made out of only Creator parts. Remember how LT started with super simple vehicles sometimes with just a few beams for the chassis. After that, they slowly started to fill in more and more gaps by designing those panels, even the motorized supercar you keep talking about is kind of at a middle stage of evolution, so still has a lot of gaps. Now I'm not saying all sets should focus on aesthetics and panel work, sure, the functional vehicles like excavators and loaders ARE functional and will always get functions over aesthetics. But to request functions over aesthetic from an 18+ display focused supercar set... seems inappropriate and I don't know what to say. I think the race/sport cars should remain in their separate area which is heavily focused on looks - clever panel connections, rendering the curves of the real vehicle as close as possible, simplification (so using fewer panels that look well connected instead of more panels one on top of another that look broken up with a lot of gaps in between) and of course the basic functions of the real vehicle, like opening doors, hood, trunk, suspensions, steering and such (it appears we're already ignoring all those because they're so ordinary now, so nothing fancy when it comes to let's say 4x4 drive, right? which was barely possible till they introduced the new steering hubs that allow for more movement in the towball joints). Having a motorized hood or trunk or even doors is kinda weird if you're looking for realism... very few cars have any of that electric. So, imo, you want functions, buy a crane, tow truck, excavator, loader or anything in that category. You want looks, buy supercars. Easy! There's nothing to fix, really. I don't think every set is addressed to everyone, like I wouldn't buy the pullback sets, especially the Monster Jam series, which I think they're a joke for older audience, but they're probably fun for kids, maybe that's why they have different age range.
@@MANHARchannel he basically says that display based sets don’t really need that much functionality when compared to functionality based sets, and that if you want functionality buy functionality sets
I completely agree, ill be honest I only really buy display oriented sets but I wouldn’t mind for them to have more functions as long as the looks weren’t sacrificed. One main thing I think they should do in 18+ sets is have printed parts instead or stickers, personally id be willing to pay the extra
I agree with you! They are prioritizing aesthetics over mechanics, 42069 extreme adventure is a great example that one can achieve good aesthetics and good mechanics at the same time.and that in its time its price was the same (or lower) to 42125 Ferrari 488 GTE and that 42069 has 2382 pieces!
Basically the whole 2017 wave was function over form - and the ratings were abyssmaly bad. If you scroll a bit back in time on the interwebs, you will find discussions about that we need more supercars like those MOCs, and less visible mechanics, than more visible mechanics,... it's always a circle of crap :)
@@McKrushi exactly! Basically it is not possible to have a set that everyone likes, why then will people see people who will say that it does not look realistic, Lego brings out a realistic model and then they say that they are prioritizing design for functionality.
The Ferrari 488GTE is a pain, especially if you look at the CADA Italian supercar C61042W, wich is fully remote controlled with light, better build quality and 3200 pieces for the same price.
The licensed Sets can't have visuals sacrificed for mechanisms just because these sets are, well, licensed, and this means Lego have a strict set of rules for them... But i do agree that non licensed sets can have more functions, i do have the Heavy Duty Escavator and i would love it even more if it had a distribution system like the mod you did... They should at least get all cars with a differential and better turn gears, the Lamborghini Huracán tecnica lack both...
@@lieutenantq07 Even for £9,we need functions The mini class xerion was £9 but had 10 gears and two of them were big 36tooth gears But now £45 sets are sold with not a single gear
I dont think that sets like 42123, 42093 need a gearboxes. I think that lego should realese in every winter wave (Summer Waves are always good) 2-3 licensed models. 3-4 Functional Models and 2 small models.
I enjoy taking my models apart and building them into something else. With that in mind, that is why I purchased the Defender. Yes, it looks amazing, yes, the color choices are perfect, but with all the gears and different types of pieces, I saw a lot of potential there. I am still getting my money’s worth as I build other things with those parts. When I see vehicles like the Ferrari, I just pass them up, because even though they look great, there isn’t much for it for someone like me who wants to make complex alternate builds. I just got into technic a year ago, and I have looked at models from the past. Definitely wish those complex models would come back. Lego would be getting my money this Christmas if they did.
I understand what you’re saying and you’re right. I’m also a big lego technic enthusiast (that’s eleven years old)andI have sets like the Lamborghini and Porches from 2016. I think that the Lego Group is starting to go more on esthetics is because they want to satisfy the companies that are licensing them. Also because they probably want to show off to other companies of how close their sets are to real vehicles to encourage them to also license Lego.
I'm not a technic fan so, maybe I'm an outlier but I really don't think there's an issue with having aesthetically focused technic sets aimed at AFOLs, I really like some of the technic sets that are available right now but once they're built I'm never going to touch their functions again, they are shelf queens, just like most of my $150+ sets, again maybe I'm weird but how many people actually play with these sets? I don't think people are buying kids $200 supercar sets and people who buy them are kinda passed the age of playing with them in any serious fashion right?
You are completely right. When i want a model that looks mostly like the original - than i buy a creator expert set. I think they should move the cars with technic bricks without functions back to the Racers category.
I feel a big part of the problem also is the power functions ir recivers and AAA battery boxs took up much less space making it difficult for the powered up system to be integrated into smaller sets maby something to cover on your next video
It would be great for more advanced builders and long-time fans of Technic if they implemented your ideas, but at the end of the day, they have to pay salaries and get profit. Before I was into Technic, I actually quite disliked its aesthetic caused by prioritizing function and would not have bought a Technic set. If I was presented with a modern, form-over-function set, however, I would’ve been more interested. I think many people think that way, and that’s why LEGO recently has been prioritizing looks. I think now, for experienced builders, MOCs are the way to go.
I purchased the 42114 set based on your raving review on it, and I LOVE the set. It's a masterpiece, and possibly Lego technic's greatest set of all time.
Since branded sets sell more, Lego will produce more. If you're a big car company that wants to produce their likness in a lego form, looks are going to matter more than functionality. Take Ferrari as an example. As a company that prides itself on the beautiful designs of their vehicles (which can be translated into lego), as well as their performance (which cannot be translated into lego easily) you get a sitation where looks are more important than function. More people will buy a lego Ferrari that actually looks like a Ferrari than a shell with good functions. Or at least, that's my theory.
I think your theory is completely true when it comes to selling LEGO Technic to completely brand new fans who have never bought a LEGO set before. But long time fans want functionality
I quite like the cars and planes. We didn't always have special parts to make Technic sets look this good. I remember when they were more or less skeletal suggestions of what they were intended to be, so this is a great evolution in my eyes. I like identifying things down to make and model just by looking at them. While it does make sense to have a gear box for multiple functions (Racing Jet), I don't need or want one in every set. If anything, I wish they would make a more realistically proportioned wheel and tire to perhaps improve steering response. Some classic rally car sets would be great as well.
I've recently compiled my brickset set list and I have many 2010-2014 technics I'm curently rebuilding my Unimog u400 and planning on rebuilding the mighty 8043 excavator later. I'm also getting the new ford GT this Xmas. On this set I'm studying how to implement a system of active suspensions like the one found on the good ol' 8297 as I'd like to combine it with the pop-up spoiler like the real life track mode. Wish me luck as this set is "beautiful" but "funcionless" apart from the standard HoG/susp./full size v8
As someone who bought the Sian...I dunno. I don't agree completely. When it comes to licensed cars, I think it's MORE important to nail the look. I love Lamborghinis. I'll never afford one in my lifetime, so toys have to satiate me. The Sian was right up my alley and I jumped right on it. Had aesthetics been sacrificed(It already has a few concessions to the real FKP36 anyways), I wouldn't have been interested. The fact that it's the best looking Lamborghini Sian in Technic is the biggest selling point to me. While I would've liked to see more...I do wonder what more do cars REALLY need. I'll admit it's fun that the 2011 super car has motorized features but the look of the car is so barebones and doesn't have that "super car" look. I think lego is at a place where the parts library is extensive enough that we SHOULDN'T sacrifice aesthetics. I'm actually of the mind that the Senna is a fantastic representation of good and adequate features yet still being as accurate to the car as possible. I would like to see Lego do more accurate racing slicks for these cars and lower the ground clearance a bit more, but baby steps.
The more expensive cars like $350 and above should absolutely keep both looks and functions! It’s a lot of money. I was more referring to cheaper cars, let’s say $200 or less. The aesthetics cannot have top priority on those
I don't agree with your opinion. You try to fix every "problem" by saying it needs a gearbox to command multiple functions. I could agree on this approach on some other-than-cars builds, but absolutely not on cars. This is why: 1) Have you seen some 90s Technic car sets? Steering (mainly HOG), classic moving pistons engine, differential and that's it. 8440, 8230, 8408, 8437, 8432, etc. 2) What functions do you want to include in a car? If you want to "build for real", you need to have some functions that can be replicated in a Lego model. So you need some real-life functions that consist of moving big parts of the car. Only things I can think of are: (speed) gearbox, piston engine, suspension, steering - which are already used in big sets. And maybe moving rear spoiler (also it's the case on big models) and folding roof. Other functions in the cars are mostly software, climate control, etc. - these can't be replicated in Lego. 3) Building in the unrealistic functions is not the way. I own the "fabulous" 8070 and it's not the best experience ever. Changing "gears" (i.e. functions) is complicated because you need to put your hand in the cockpit, switching on/off the motor to start/stop a function as a pain in the ass, because the movement of the function is too short. Motor-operated opening of the bonnet and of the scissor doors is an unreal bullshit. 4) One knob to do everything is not realistic. Ok for motorised non-car sets where you want to economise and not putting many motors, but not for cars. What I would suggest instead: 1) Lego Technic is making too many car lineups that cross between themselves - Car transporter sized cars, pull-back motor cars that mix up now with the green Mustang and Formula-E; 1:10 (Porsche, Ferrari) sized cars and finally 1:8 (Porsche, Bugatti, Lamborghini)... 2) I would separate pull-back cars from the licensed products (as these are more for the children) 3) I would widen the "world" of the car transporter - garage with a car lift for example - so you can have sets with tools and machines to do something with the transporter sized cars. Imagine each new set coming with such a machine and a new car. Each of these cars should have this small "piston" engine and HOG steering and be really compatible, not like Senna almost too long for the transporter. Also all the new tools and machines should combine technic and system pieces to enable cars really run on them (not like on transporter where cars cannot really run on it without lifting them in the air) 4) 1:8 cars are the pinnacle of the Technic, both functionally and from the design point of view 5) 1:10 cars could be more playable but also design pieces as they are. Suspension, piston engine, differential, steering with additionnal HOG knob(to increase playability) + opening doors, bonnet, trunk are essential. I would like Lego to work more on the suspension so it does not look too high (as Ferrari does) - maybe introduce some geometry to the suspension 6) Introduce new types of cars in the 1:10 and 1:8 lineup so it's possible to show new functions (mentionned above) with manual operation. => As an example, I built a MOC of Porsche Boxster Spyder with 6-speed manual gearbox (gear stick really bows to the front/rear/sides - you do not move it in a line) and the roof is foldable with the mechanism replication exactly the movement of the real thing.
I think your Wright ! Cars like 42126,42127,42096 at least should have a gearbox and the 8070 super car is a example how to fix the car problem and 8043,42043,42009,8110 are examples to but 42123,42093 don’t need a gearbox.
I actually have a lego Porsche 911 rsr that didn't have a gear box so i made a 2 speed gear box and now i am trying to make a 4 speed gear box if i can make.
Just one correction: Technic was not on 3rd place on the best selling ranking but one of top 5 themes in no particular order. LEGO never reveals the real ranking of their themes.
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I know where youre going but the sets are oriented more for adults, and adult will buy technic more than kid, kid is more likely to buy a starwars or city set rather than technic. So judging by that technic sets will be a display piece more often so its better to focus on look than on fuctions that will be used ones a mont with little luck. Also for nn lego funs ots more interesting to assemble nice car rather than some car with holes everywhare. It have its reson why lego is focusing on looks...
One real issue here is that they are staying in the same rabbit hole as Hot Wheels annual mainline segment: too - many - real - cars. With Hot Wheels, it isn’t that big of a deal. But with Technic and their internal functions, it’s something else entirely. Get rid of licensed cars. Since with them, they need to get the appearance accurately (because they are licensed, duh), which sacrifices functions. Once again, 8070 Supercar proved that. 8070 was a fantasy car, and it was a BRILLIANT at it.
i say technic should be somewhat split into 2 the functionality sets and the aesthetics functionality sets would prioritize well, functions, in place for looks, something like 8070. great functions with essentially bare minimum looks, or having alright looks but having holes/spots to clearly see the functions in play. aesthetic sets would prioritize looks over functions, such as the ferrari 488 gte, or the 1:8 supercar line really, has little functions, wether it be opening doors, spinning superstructures, extending booms, moving rear wings, opening hood, whatever, small manually operated functions but said set has good looks, probably made as an 18+ set as it would literally only be good for displaying.
That 8070 supercar s absolutely amazing! I am totally fine with having one display model per year but at least make also with a higher technicality/display ratio. So everyone can make their pick.
Yes! That's the reason why I bought a used 8070 instead of any new technic set in the 70-150 $ price range, and it is absolutely awesome! I wanted that set for a long time, and I'm nowhere near disappointed! The best 75 $ purchase I ever made (:
Great video! While I don't think that every large set should have a distribution gearbox (one of my alltime favorite sets is the 8081 Extreme Cruiser and it doesn't have too much gearing), I do completely agree that the problem of aesthetics being prioritized over functions needs to be addressed soon.
YES. These new “ technic” Cars do not look as good as the creator series cars and they do not have real function. Think about the Mack Semi that had really cool functions and it looked good
I disagree with this video. There are many ways to appreciate technic Lego. Form, function, play, display, manually operated, motorised, remote control, smooth surfaces vs appreciation of the "blockiness" of Lego. Neither of these is superior to any of the others. It all depends on what the individual enjoys, and even then people can enjoy different things in different sets. It's a bit like food: some people like spicy food, some do not, and some like both occasionally. There is no need to "fix" a recipe to make it more spicy. Variety is the spice of life.
I agree, I think the 2017 wave was kind of where it like died off. We have all these small licensed technic cars, which is stupid. Technic is about functionality. They make these little pullback car with no function. Why can't it be LEGO System? I like the idea of big licensed cars because they can fit a lot of stuff in there. But little ones make no sense to me. Old Technic was better before all these "little pullback cars" existed. $50 is outrageous for the size. The Senna GTR has 2x the pieces of the Porsche and looks cooler, yet it's the same price. Just LEGO is doing it all wrong.
great movie! I agree 110% more functions less attention to the appearance which comes out disgusting anyway through stickers, headlights with stickers ... or new Technic (Ford Mustang) with 4+ drive
Agreed. I was a big technic builder when I was a kid. From that time I have the space shuttle and the super street sensation for refference. I recently decided to check out lego technic again and bought the Volvo 6x6 Articulated hauler. I must say that I am kinda disappointed. The set is way less fun to play with and the functions are downright janky compared to the two old models I mentioned. But sure, we got pannels and custom big pieces to make the looks "realistic". Honestly, I prefer the old look of studed techic (or at least pre-panel stud-less). And don't even get me started on the stupid app that is needed to control the thing. Its so janky and crappy that I feel like the truck can only be used to like 50% of its potential. Goddamn software ruined technic as well....
Personally I think LEGO should separate Technic Cars to its own line and get back to basics with Technic - heavy machinery, planes, helicopters and other - well, you know, TECHNICal stuff.
I might have to disagree with you. While it's true that lego technic should incorporate more functions for the sets, it shouldn't need to sacrifice the looks as adding more aesthetics symbolized the progression of lego technic sets over the years. If lego technic sacrifice the aesthetic in favour of functionality, it will be harder to attract newer customers as it won't look quite as good visually. That said, it will be better for lego technic to find a way to incorporate both aesthetic and functionality on the sets. That's just my point of view.
Simply solution - make more unlicenced sets. If it doesn't **HAVE** to look like something in particular, then they are free to focus less on "realism" when it comes to aesthetics, and dedicate more of the piece count to functionality.
I don't think they all need to be the same. But pull back stuff should be left in 20-30 sets. The new Mustang brokey heart. However i only buy technic cars since i love cars.
Yep. They put all eggs in the appearance basket. They should sell at least one cheap not license set with motors and gears per year. It would be fair;P I never had chance to get that super car.
I think those below 200 should favour playability and looks over fancy gearboxes and the likes. So a car should have motors allowing to use it as an RC model while an exacavator should have motors to control movement of the arms and so on. Distribution boxes are fine for construction vehicles as you can use one motor to do many things but I woudn't bother with cars. Basically: a good cheap technic set to me should look good and allow easy and fun playing: the "technical" details should be reserved for bigger and more expensive sets. Alternatively, they should provide two different sets for instructions within the set: one to make a vehicle that has all the fancy gearboxes and the likes and one that sacrifices that "boring" stuff to turn it into an highly playable RC model. This way the "adults" can look into the details of mechanics whereas children can just play with them. And once played with one, they can disassemble it and build the other one and double the play time of the toy. Also: RC-focused models should be robust and the motors should run fast... what's the point of a sports car model if it doesn't go at least at 12Kph...
LEGO is not interested in long time builders! They are only interested in new builders, and bloody fanboys. That’s why they only develop simple Technic sets, a marginally competent eight year old can build blindfolded. Plus they want you to buy only new sets, and not to build new things from your existing sets. That’s why they so often throw in a plethora of parts in different colors you can barely use in other builds. They mostly even eliminated B-models. And that goes for all their themes, not just Technic. I’m waiting for LEGO to buy Re-Brickable just to shut it down, and sue every MOC creator!
Lego Technic must return to its foundations. Functionality over aesthetics and not necessarily sacrificing both. Lego Power Functions, more gearboxes should return, that's the challenge of Lego Technic at different difficulty levels that leads you to grow with it.
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It would be great for more advanced builders and long-time fans of Technic if they implemented your ideas, but at the end of the day, they have to pay salaries and get profit. Before I was into Technic, I actually quite disliked its aesthetic caused by prioritizing function and would not have bought a Technic set. If I was presented with a modern, form-over-function set, however, I would’ve been more interested. I think many people think that way, and that’s why LEGO recently has been prioritizing looks. I think now, for experienced builders, MOCs are the way to go.
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The issue is that the community around Lego is mostly focused on making realistic MOCs rather than making something that is functional yet not necessarily representing ideally a real vehicle. That's simply because it's easier for most of the people to tell whether you did a good of depicting existing vehicle rather than looking into someone's MOC's construction, mechanism, techniques etc. So we end up with big models that barely move and don't have much functions over something that is medium sized with a lot of functions, but isn't looking like a real car. Also because of the above, if you make a MOC that isn't based on some real vehicle, even if you have perfect execution and visual composition, people will argue it looks bad because it doesn't look like vehicles of specific type. And Lego is most likely looking at that if we end up with more licensed builds than cool car models that have more functions instead of licensing fees.
no ansewr.
A person who doesn't know anything about Lego technic or cars, will be equally impressed by a good looking build and complex mechanisms especially after showing them what it does. My 8x8 Lego technic MOC looks terrible at the moment but the sheer size, and power make it very impressive. Thanks to its design, it can climb a FIFTY degree hill which is insane to watch. Also, the electronically controlled sequential gearbox changing speeds looks complex and is satisfying to watch. Sure, someone who doesn't know stuff about engineering prioritizes looks but mechanical things can be equally or more impressive and also fun
I'm not sure I agree with the idea that Technic has to sacrifice aesthetics for functions. I always thought all the Technic sport cars looked like squarish boxes on wheels and only recently, starting with the GT3 RS, they went a bit bolder with the panel positioning at weird angles, rendering a more interesting exterior shape.
I think they evolved to a stage where they introduced enough panels so that you can create beautiful curves that will never be available in Creator. While Creator can pull off a good looking Mustang, which has a more bulky design, a modern day super car will never look good made out of only Creator parts. Remember how LT started with super simple vehicles sometimes with just a few beams for the chassis. After that, they slowly started to fill in more and more gaps by designing those panels, even the motorized supercar you keep talking about is kind of at a middle stage of evolution, so still has a lot of gaps.
Now I'm not saying all sets should focus on aesthetics and panel work, sure, the functional vehicles like excavators and loaders ARE functional and will always get functions over aesthetics. But to request functions over aesthetic from an 18+ display focused supercar set... seems inappropriate and I don't know what to say. I think the race/sport cars should remain in their separate area which is heavily focused on looks - clever panel connections, rendering the curves of the real vehicle as close as possible, simplification (so using fewer panels that look well connected instead of more panels one on top of another that look broken up with a lot of gaps in between) and of course the basic functions of the real vehicle, like opening doors, hood, trunk, suspensions, steering and such (it appears we're already ignoring all those because they're so ordinary now, so nothing fancy when it comes to let's say 4x4 drive, right? which was barely possible till they introduced the new steering hubs that allow for more movement in the towball joints). Having a motorized hood or trunk or even doors is kinda weird if you're looking for realism... very few cars have any of that electric.
So, imo, you want functions, buy a crane, tow truck, excavator, loader or anything in that category. You want looks, buy supercars. Easy! There's nothing to fix, really. I don't think every set is addressed to everyone, like I wouldn't buy the pullback sets, especially the Monster Jam series, which I think they're a joke for older audience, but they're probably fun for kids, maybe that's why they have different age range.
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@@MANHARchannel he basically says that display based sets don’t really need that much functionality when compared to functionality based sets, and that if you want functionality buy functionality sets
I completely agree, ill be honest I only really buy display oriented sets but I wouldn’t mind for them to have more functions as long as the looks weren’t sacrificed. One main thing I think they should do in 18+ sets is have printed parts instead or stickers, personally id be willing to pay the extra
I agree with you! They are prioritizing aesthetics over mechanics, 42069 extreme adventure is a great example that one can achieve good aesthetics and good mechanics at the same time.and that in its time its price was the same (or lower) to 42125 Ferrari 488 GTE and that 42069 has 2382 pieces!
42069 😎
I agree I have a 2019 Lego Corvette and u can only steer
Basically the whole 2017 wave was function over form - and the ratings were abyssmaly bad. If you scroll a bit back in time on the interwebs, you will find discussions about that we need more supercars like those MOCs, and less visible mechanics, than more visible mechanics,... it's always a circle of crap :)
@@McKrushi exactly! Basically it is not possible to have a set that everyone likes, why then will people see people who will say that it does not look realistic, Lego brings out a realistic model and then they say that they are prioritizing design for functionality.
The Ferrari 488GTE is a pain, especially if you look at the CADA Italian supercar C61042W, wich is fully remote controlled with light, better build quality and 3200 pieces for the same price.
The licensed Sets can't have visuals sacrificed for mechanisms just because these sets are, well, licensed, and this means Lego have a strict set of rules for them... But i do agree that non licensed sets can have more functions, i do have the Heavy Duty Escavator and i would love it even more if it had a distribution system like the mod you did... They should at least get all cars with a differential and better turn gears, the Lamborghini Huracán tecnica lack both...
LEGO Technic is slowly becoming Speed Chapions/CITY but with technic pieces
Right. We need more mechanisms. The Ferrari reateled for $170! And there were no mechanisms.
@@lieutenantq07 Even for £9,we need functions
The mini class xerion was £9 but had 10 gears and two of them were big 36tooth gears
But now £45 sets are sold with not a single gear
@@Ibrahim-vx5kq Yeah that's completely nonsense. I hope that the new sets(without the Porshe and the Ford) are good.
Smaller sets definitely are
I dont think that sets like 42123, 42093 need a gearboxes. I think that lego should realese in every winter wave (Summer Waves are always good) 2-3 licensed models. 3-4 Functional Models and 2 small models.
I enjoy taking my models apart and building them into something else. With that in mind, that is why I purchased the Defender. Yes, it looks amazing, yes, the color choices are perfect, but with all the gears and different types of pieces, I saw a lot of potential there.
I am still getting my money’s worth as I build other things with those parts.
When I see vehicles like the Ferrari, I just pass them up, because even though they look great, there isn’t much for it for someone like me who wants to make complex alternate builds.
I just got into technic a year ago, and I have looked at models from the past. Definitely wish those complex models would come back.
Lego would be getting my money this Christmas if they did.
Many older technic models are legendary
sure
0:03 way too many Lego Technic cars?
The Lego Technic cars are the only reason I’m even in to Lego Technic.
I totally agree about looks being prioritised in new models :(
I understand what you’re saying and you’re right. I’m also a big lego technic enthusiast (that’s eleven years old)andI have sets like the Lamborghini and Porches from 2016. I think that the Lego Group is starting to go more on esthetics is because they want to satisfy the companies that are licensing them. Also because they probably want to show off to other companies of how close their sets are to real vehicles to encourage them to also license Lego.
Small Technic cars just need a simple 2-speed gearbox and maybe some suspension so it acts like a real licensed car.
Agreed
@@Unbrickme Also, if you know them, are you excited for any of the March sets?
I'm not a technic fan so, maybe I'm an outlier but I really don't think there's an issue with having aesthetically focused technic sets aimed at AFOLs, I really like some of the technic sets that are available right now but once they're built I'm never going to touch their functions again, they are shelf queens, just like most of my $150+ sets, again maybe I'm weird but how many people actually play with these sets? I don't think people are buying kids $200 supercar sets and people who buy them are kinda passed the age of playing with them in any serious fashion right?
You are completely right. When i want a model that looks mostly like the original - than i buy a creator expert set. I think they should move the cars with technic bricks without functions back to the Racers category.
Or what about releasing something that is not vehicle at all?
Simply getting rid of cars doesn’t fix the issue. The new sets need to take inspiration from the 2011 supercar
Can you show the set 42046 back wheel stuck?
I feel a big part of the problem also is the power functions ir recivers and AAA battery boxs took up much less space making it difficult for the powered up system to be integrated into smaller sets maby something to cover on your next video
Is the old supermarket better or off road buge
LEGO, listen to this guy.
It would be great for more advanced builders and long-time fans of Technic if they implemented your ideas, but at the end of the day, they have to pay salaries and get profit. Before I was into Technic, I actually quite disliked its aesthetic caused by prioritizing function and would not have bought a Technic set. If I was presented with a modern, form-over-function set, however, I would’ve been more interested. I think many people think that way, and that’s why LEGO recently has been prioritizing looks. I think now, for experienced builders, MOCs are the way to go.
I purchased the 42114 set based on your raving review on it, and I LOVE the set. It's a masterpiece, and possibly Lego technic's greatest set of all time.
That you so much I’m so glad you enjoyed both the set and my review
sadly, the route theyre taking is only getting them more sales. i dont think theyll change anytime soon
Since branded sets sell more, Lego will produce more. If you're a big car company that wants to produce their likness in a lego form, looks are going to matter more than functionality. Take Ferrari as an example. As a company that prides itself on the beautiful designs of their vehicles (which can be translated into lego), as well as their performance (which cannot be translated into lego easily) you get a sitation where looks are more important than function. More people will buy a lego Ferrari that actually looks like a Ferrari than a shell with good functions. Or at least, that's my theory.
I think your theory is completely true when it comes to selling LEGO Technic to completely brand new fans who have never bought a LEGO set before. But long time fans want functionality
I quite like the cars and planes. We didn't always have special parts to make Technic sets look this good. I remember when they were more or less skeletal suggestions of what they were intended to be, so this is a great evolution in my eyes. I like identifying things down to make and model just by looking at them.
While it does make sense to have a gear box for multiple functions (Racing Jet), I don't need or want one in every set. If anything, I wish they would make a more realistically proportioned wheel and tire to perhaps improve steering response. Some classic rally car sets would be great as well.
Can never have too much cars
-Car guy
My gt500 mustang does not roll unless you have the pull back thing on 😭
One thing would help for certain. Ditch the boring double wishbone "stock" suspension. Create something more interesting.
I've recently compiled my brickset set list and I have many 2010-2014 technics
I'm curently rebuilding my Unimog u400 and planning on rebuilding the mighty 8043 excavator later.
I'm also getting the new ford GT this Xmas.
On this set I'm studying how to implement a system of active suspensions like the one found on the good ol' 8297 as I'd like to combine it with the pop-up spoiler like the real life track mode.
Wish me luck as this set is "beautiful" but "funcionless" apart from the standard HoG/susp./full size v8
i think they should bring back the Racers theme for all the lego technic cars, so lego Technic could be more about the functions, like back in 2010
As someone who bought the Sian...I dunno. I don't agree completely. When it comes to licensed cars, I think it's MORE important to nail the look. I love Lamborghinis. I'll never afford one in my lifetime, so toys have to satiate me. The Sian was right up my alley and I jumped right on it. Had aesthetics been sacrificed(It already has a few concessions to the real FKP36 anyways), I wouldn't have been interested. The fact that it's the best looking Lamborghini Sian in Technic is the biggest selling point to me.
While I would've liked to see more...I do wonder what more do cars REALLY need. I'll admit it's fun that the 2011 super car has motorized features but the look of the car is so barebones and doesn't have that "super car" look. I think lego is at a place where the parts library is extensive enough that we SHOULDN'T sacrifice aesthetics. I'm actually of the mind that the Senna is a fantastic representation of good and adequate features yet still being as accurate to the car as possible. I would like to see Lego do more accurate racing slicks for these cars and lower the ground clearance a bit more, but baby steps.
The more expensive cars like $350 and above should absolutely keep both looks and functions! It’s a lot of money. I was more referring to cheaper cars, let’s say $200 or less. The aesthetics cannot have top priority on those
I don't agree with your opinion. You try to fix every "problem" by saying it needs a gearbox to command multiple functions. I could agree on this approach on some other-than-cars builds, but absolutely not on cars.
This is why:
1) Have you seen some 90s Technic car sets? Steering (mainly HOG), classic moving pistons engine, differential and that's it. 8440, 8230, 8408, 8437, 8432, etc.
2) What functions do you want to include in a car? If you want to "build for real", you need to have some functions that can be replicated in a Lego model. So you need some real-life functions that consist of moving big parts of the car. Only things I can think of are: (speed) gearbox, piston engine, suspension, steering - which are already used in big sets. And maybe moving rear spoiler (also it's the case on big models) and folding roof. Other functions in the cars are mostly software, climate control, etc. - these can't be replicated in Lego.
3) Building in the unrealistic functions is not the way. I own the "fabulous" 8070 and it's not the best experience ever. Changing "gears" (i.e. functions) is complicated because you need to put your hand in the cockpit, switching on/off the motor to start/stop a function as a pain in the ass, because the movement of the function is too short. Motor-operated opening of the bonnet and of the scissor doors is an unreal bullshit.
4) One knob to do everything is not realistic. Ok for motorised non-car sets where you want to economise and not putting many motors, but not for cars.
What I would suggest instead:
1) Lego Technic is making too many car lineups that cross between themselves - Car transporter sized cars, pull-back motor cars that mix up now with the green Mustang and Formula-E; 1:10 (Porsche, Ferrari) sized cars and finally 1:8 (Porsche, Bugatti, Lamborghini)...
2) I would separate pull-back cars from the licensed products (as these are more for the children)
3) I would widen the "world" of the car transporter - garage with a car lift for example - so you can have sets with tools and machines to do something with the transporter sized cars. Imagine each new set coming with such a machine and a new car. Each of these cars should have this small "piston" engine and HOG steering and be really compatible, not like Senna almost too long for the transporter. Also all the new tools and machines should combine technic and system pieces to enable cars really run on them (not like on transporter where cars cannot really run on it without lifting them in the air)
4) 1:8 cars are the pinnacle of the Technic, both functionally and from the design point of view
5) 1:10 cars could be more playable but also design pieces as they are. Suspension, piston engine, differential, steering with additionnal HOG knob(to increase playability) + opening doors, bonnet, trunk are essential. I would like Lego to work more on the suspension so it does not look too high (as Ferrari does) - maybe introduce some geometry to the suspension
6) Introduce new types of cars in the 1:10 and 1:8 lineup so it's possible to show new functions (mentionned above) with manual operation. => As an example, I built a MOC of Porsche Boxster Spyder with 6-speed manual gearbox (gear stick really bows to the front/rear/sides - you do not move it in a line) and the roof is foldable with the mechanism replication exactly the movement of the real thing.
I think your Wright ! Cars like 42126,42127,42096 at least should have a gearbox and the 8070 super car is a example how to fix the car problem and 8043,42043,42009,8110 are examples to but 42123,42093 don’t need a gearbox.
True, I never got those LEGENDARY sets. I hope they remake the car, the 8043
I just got a technic set today on August 20 2023 and it’s the ford gt with suspension it’s also a technic set
I actually have a lego Porsche 911 rsr that didn't have a gear box so i made a 2 speed gear box and now i am trying to make a 4 speed gear box if i can make.
Just one correction: Technic was not on 3rd place on the best selling ranking but one of top 5 themes in no particular order. LEGO never reveals the real ranking of their themes.
Honestly the 2 50usd pullbacks are my dissapointment of 2021... I was so hyped to see a GT with same functions as the Senna :(
I do agree with you. Who is your sigfig/where did you get it?
My sigfig is actually a completely custom design and not available on LEGO. This channel used to be called “Bringsales” which used the custom company dog mascot (not LEGO) then after I renamed my channel to “unbrickme” I kept the animal character but made him into a mini figure. I guess his official name is Hasia, although I don’t like the name and I think I’ll give him a real name soon.
@@Unbrickme ok, I was wondering what "sig"nificance it had 👍
I know where youre going but the sets are oriented more for adults, and adult will buy technic more than kid, kid is more likely to buy a starwars or city set rather than technic. So judging by that technic sets will be a display piece more often so its better to focus on look than on fuctions that will be used ones a mont with little luck. Also for nn lego funs ots more interesting to assemble nice car rather than some car with holes everywhare. It have its reson why lego is focusing on looks...
One real issue here is that they are staying in the same rabbit hole as Hot Wheels annual mainline segment: too - many - real - cars. With Hot Wheels, it isn’t that big of a deal. But with Technic and their internal functions, it’s something else entirely.
Get rid of licensed cars. Since with them, they need to get the appearance accurately (because they are licensed, duh), which sacrifices functions. Once again, 8070 Supercar proved that. 8070 was a fantasy car, and it was a BRILLIANT at it.
I wouldn’t say the 2011 super car looks good but function are more important
i say technic should be somewhat split into 2
the functionality sets and the aesthetics
functionality sets would prioritize well, functions, in place for looks, something like 8070. great functions with essentially bare minimum looks, or having alright looks but having holes/spots to clearly see the functions in play.
aesthetic sets would prioritize looks over functions, such as the ferrari 488 gte, or the 1:8 supercar line really, has little functions, wether it be opening doors, spinning superstructures, extending booms, moving rear wings, opening hood, whatever, small manually operated functions but said set has good looks, probably made as an 18+ set as it would literally only be good for displaying.
That 8070 supercar s absolutely amazing! I am totally fine with having one display model per year but at least make also with a higher technicality/display ratio. So everyone can make their pick.
Yes! That's the reason why I bought a used 8070 instead of any new technic set in the 70-150 $ price range, and it is absolutely awesome! I wanted that set for a long time, and I'm nowhere near disappointed! The best 75 $ purchase I ever made (:
i would agree because if they can do it once they can definitly do it again
The 8070 was the last Big Lego Set I ever bought.
Great video! While I don't think that every large set should have a distribution gearbox (one of my alltime favorite sets is the 8081 Extreme Cruiser and it doesn't have too much gearing), I do completely agree that the problem of aesthetics being prioritized over functions needs to be addressed soon.
I bet these new sets are kind of side projects because they are probably working on a cool big set rn
YES. These new “ technic” Cars do not look as good as the creator series cars and they do not have real function. Think about the Mack Semi that had really cool functions and it looked good
Honestly a lot of people who've been getting in to Lego have been doing it for aesthetics.
I disagree with this video. There are many ways to appreciate technic Lego. Form, function, play, display, manually operated, motorised, remote control, smooth surfaces vs appreciation of the "blockiness" of Lego. Neither of these is superior to any of the others. It all depends on what the individual enjoys, and even then people can enjoy different things in different sets. It's a bit like food: some people like spicy food, some do not, and some like both occasionally. There is no need to "fix" a recipe to make it more spicy. Variety is the spice of life.
I agree, I think the 2017 wave was kind of where it like died off. We have all these small licensed technic cars, which is stupid. Technic is about functionality. They make these little pullback car with no function. Why can't it be LEGO System? I like the idea of big licensed cars because they can fit a lot of stuff in there. But little ones make no sense to me. Old Technic was better before all these "little pullback cars" existed. $50 is outrageous for the size. The Senna GTR has 2x the pieces of the Porsche and looks cooler, yet it's the same price. Just LEGO is doing it all wrong.
great movie! I agree 110% more functions less attention to the appearance which comes out disgusting anyway through stickers, headlights with stickers ... or new Technic (Ford Mustang) with 4+ drive
Agreed. I was a big technic builder when I was a kid. From that time I have the space shuttle and the super street sensation for refference. I recently decided to check out lego technic again and bought the Volvo 6x6 Articulated hauler. I must say that I am kinda disappointed. The set is way less fun to play with and the functions are downright janky compared to the two old models I mentioned. But sure, we got pannels and custom big pieces to make the looks "realistic". Honestly, I prefer the old look of studed techic (or at least pre-panel stud-less). And don't even get me started on the stupid app that is needed to control the thing. Its so janky and crappy that I feel like the truck can only be used to like 50% of its potential. Goddamn software ruined technic as well....
Personally I think LEGO should separate Technic Cars to its own line and get back to basics with Technic - heavy machinery, planes, helicopters and other - well, you know, TECHNICal stuff.
I might have to disagree with you. While it's true that lego technic should incorporate more functions for the sets, it shouldn't need to sacrifice the looks as adding more aesthetics symbolized the progression of lego technic sets over the years. If lego technic sacrifice the aesthetic in favour of functionality, it will be harder to attract newer customers as it won't look quite as good visually. That said, it will be better for lego technic to find a way to incorporate both aesthetic and functionality on the sets. That's just my point of view.
Simply solution - make more unlicenced sets. If it doesn't **HAVE** to look like something in particular, then they are free to focus less on "realism" when it comes to aesthetics, and dedicate more of the piece count to functionality.
I agree. These sets are amazing from the past in several years. I don’t understand why LEGO is making LEGO Technic sets from best, to worst 5:00
I don't think they all need to be the same. But pull back stuff should be left in 20-30 sets. The new Mustang brokey heart. However i only buy technic cars since i love cars.
I got the Ford Mustang did everything correctly but its no pull back lol.
The 42128 is the most functional set in years
Yep. They put all eggs in the appearance basket. They should sell at least one cheap not license set with motors and gears per year. It would be fair;P I never had chance to get that super car.
I agree 2019 to present day they started to make cars with nothing only steering and fake piston engines I got a 2019 Lego Corvette and its boring
I agree with every single one of your points
Thanks
@@Unbrickme thank you for making such great videos your my favorite lego youtuber
You’ve made my day! I appreciate your support
now I want that 2011 supercar
I think those below 200 should favour playability and looks over fancy gearboxes and the likes. So a car should have motors allowing to use it as an RC model while an exacavator should have motors to control movement of the arms and so on. Distribution boxes are fine for construction vehicles as you can use one motor to do many things but I woudn't bother with cars. Basically: a good cheap technic set to me should look good and allow easy and fun playing: the "technical" details should be reserved for bigger and more expensive sets.
Alternatively, they should provide two different sets for instructions within the set: one to make a vehicle that has all the fancy gearboxes and the likes and one that sacrifices that "boring" stuff to turn it into an highly playable RC model. This way the "adults" can look into the details of mechanics whereas children can just play with them. And once played with one, they can disassemble it and build the other one and double the play time of the toy.
Also: RC-focused models should be robust and the motors should run fast... what's the point of a sports car model if it doesn't go at least at 12Kph...
No pressure, no pressure :))
Car 8880 forever XD ( 4 wheel drive and steer, gearbox, nice motor with belt, opening rear hood, front lights, and once moded, openable doors XD
LEGO is not interested in long time builders! They are only interested in new builders, and bloody fanboys. That’s why they only develop simple Technic sets, a marginally competent eight year old can build blindfolded. Plus they want you to buy only new sets, and not to build new things from your existing sets. That’s why they so often throw in a plethora of parts in different colors you can barely use in other builds. They mostly even eliminated B-models. And that goes for all their themes, not just Technic. I’m waiting for LEGO to buy Re-Brickable just to shut it down, and sue every MOC creator!
If lego scraps their no military policy, army vehicle and planes will bring in both new and old fans
I would love a 45 Willy's in the scale of the land rover
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Functionality? Calm down, pull back is all you need bro))
Lego Technic must return to its foundations. Functionality over aesthetics and not necessarily sacrificing both. Lego Power Functions, more gearboxes should return, that's the challenge of Lego Technic at different difficulty levels that leads you to grow with it.
Just buy from other brands🤷🏼♂️. More functions and more bricks for a way cheaper price
Not genuine LEGO
hope electric cars will be a reason to free up space for functions, motorization and looks.
I as a never fan started 2018 I am much more drown for the mechanisams then luks
So true
1:49 👀
Ok
Quit complaining about gearboxes, do them yourself if you love them that much
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Yeah you should be the CEO of Lego, or at least the manager for Technic :))
I appreciate it!
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In a nutshell:this man wants a gearbox in every Lego technic car
Nemmeno cars
Need more cars screw off
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It would be great for more advanced builders and long-time fans of Technic if they implemented your ideas, but at the end of the day, they have to pay salaries and get profit. Before I was into Technic, I actually quite disliked its aesthetic caused by prioritizing function and would not have bought a Technic set. If I was presented with a modern, form-over-function set, however, I would’ve been more interested. I think many people think that way, and that’s why LEGO recently has been prioritizing looks. I think now, for experienced builders, MOCs are the way to go.