I climbed around stairs on the outside and flanked around the arena when I only saw the displaced beast to get the drop on it. Rounded the corner and everyone became hostile. After a miserable battle I was confused but assumed that was just a weird encounter. Can’t believe THAT was the guy Raphael was warning about
13:02 - Raphael must be new at contracts, a simple comeback would be to point out nowhere does it stipulate he is NOT allowed to subcontract his task to somebody else.
@@NoName-ym5zj Warlocks are often NOT good with contracts. Warlockery isn't about beating devils in negotiations it is about paying a price for a shortcut to power. There are many roads from there.
I killed the Dark Justiciar then went to Yurgir then backstabbed him. Then summoned Flesh(Brother of Balthazaar) to help fight Yurgir, killed Yurgir then leave a few monsters to backstabbed Flesh, killed Flesh, clear out the enemies then go to Balthazaar to kill him
@@rohanverma9057 I'd argue the opposite. Who died as result of his actions? 1. Last of the order of fanatical killers 2. Killer demon contracted to kill the order of fanatics 3. Evil Necromancer, his ghouls, his summons and his frankenstein monstrosity. There's not a redeemable soul in that dungeon before our arrival. We just leave after dispensing appropriate amount of justice, and it just so happens that "appropriate" means when we leave the dungeon is finally devoid of life and unlife.
@@lehaua8922 Well, Yurgir can't die in Material plane, you freed him from his contract and then released by banishing back to Hells right into House of Hope, where he stood when signed contract with Raphael.
I was thinking "can I kill this two mtf? They are devils, they will stab me sooner than later, might as well kill them both" but you took it to a whole new level XD
Yeah, so my bard recognized the lyric contract, and through a series of performance and persuasion rolls got him to kill all his minions, his displacer beast, then himself. Best Boss fight I ever had :p
So, I killed the Dark Justicier before talking to Yugir. He was friendly with me afterward. Later, when I invaded Raphael's castle, i asked Yugir to join me against Raphael and he did. After that, Yugir joined me for the last battle against the Absolute.
So, the Raphael is the classic Harvester devil: he made a contract with someone on surface (mason guild leaders, I bet) to kill Ketheric's army, then made a contract with Yurgir for killing the Dark Justiciar army, then proposed a ritual to the last of them to "made one many" and he turned into rats who were tecnically the last DJ and still praying to Shar, so Yurgir's contract trapped him forever. Then he makes contract with Astarion to kill the Yurgir without speaking to him and Yurgir returns to Hells by laws of Multiverse and so that - leaves the Gauntler of Shar without fulfilling the contract and becomes the slave to Raphael. The only thing he miscalculated - he wanted the Crown so bad, that decided to play games with the group that knows many Raphael's contracts and knows his methods. So we can go to his House of Hope (with help of archdevil Mammon in fact, or with his silent approval at least), steal from him, get some of his secrets and treasures, steal few contracts and in the end persuade Yurgir-slave to turn against his master and finally get free from his tormentor. I love how game proposes the stories and plots of the past to player who pays attention.
In my playthrough, it was Yurgir who told me how to get to House of Hope and I didn't need to do any persuasion on him to turn against Raphael in fight. Exactly what I hoped for when opted to search how to help Yurgir break his contract.
There are 3 other enemy in act 2 whom you can kill without fight... 1 is that doll doctor 2. That golden boy who keeps asking for gold 3. Kethric sin who drinks too much
I managed to finish two of these guys without the need of a fights, and while it's really cool that you can do that. I feel like I miss out of potentially really cool boss fights as well.
4. The Drider, by ambushing his patrol and saying the Absolute commands him to hand over his lantern 5. On the docks on Moonrise, you can use your worm to make a guard go insane and jump into the water 6. And don’t forget inspiring Ketheric to jump down a pit
Raphael is talking like he is hard to kill, I was afraid traversing in the Masoleum because of what he said. I attacked the displacer beast without knowing where is Yugir is or is it even associated to him. I killed him without taking so much hits, sleet storm+ hunger of hadar combo+moonbeam.
Wait that guy was a devil? I knocked bro off of the ledge, cast blade storm on him, and when he got up he tossed bombs and killed himself. I didn't even know I could talk to him, I just killed everyone inside the temple who looked like an enemy.
Ignore the haters coming here looking for answers and guidance, because that isnt the original intention of the video, you recorded it to show the different outcomes and consequences of this particular side quest. Great job btw
I met rata before the demon, they offered me to mark treasure on my map. Now after i met demon, there are literally no rats there. I am here only because i've spent the last 2 hours looking around every corner of the temple...
@@henrymarriott5636 i just had to fight them, unfortunately. It wasn't a pleasant fight, all 3 companions died and my character ran away, i managed to revive them in a camp, come back and finish off the remaining enemies
@vladislavivanov7229 I ended up reloading my save. I had gone down to the bottom too early causing the rat to no longer be there. He loaded after finding a save in which I hadn't been down.
@@SuperKratosgamer That can't be true. There was some quest where the outcome changed if I knocked my enemies instead of killing them, ie the hag quest in the city
Wait how was Astarion okay with that choice? He got pissed when I tried to talk to Yurgir instead of killing him first. Did he not know about his scars being infernal before hand?
At first he seemed stupid to me. But after I talked to him about Nessa and how he manipulates her, I thought that he was still very cunning, devilishly smart. And now I see him not as a stupid fat man, but as a sober, big guy. Tav by being a player millions of times smarter, he can convince him to commit suicide by just using 10 minutes of his time and constantly pressing f5. But this should not belittle this demon and his mental abilities.
I kept throwing the orb out of the room until nobody saw me steal it. Now I haven't killed Yurhir, not sided with Raphael or broke the contract. It will be interesting to see what happens
Didn’t even realize you could talk to Yurgir, I jumped the broken stairs and went around the corner and instantly aggro’d them all. They got me first time, but was pretty easy the second time
I passed the perception check just before u get to the displacer beast then i saw the ambush above, turned around and ambushed the demon and never talked to him
Truly unbelievable. I yhought the persuade to look around was just to buy time...but that they created all yhis. Reminds me if yhe shadow druids in its subtlety
He painted a pretty picture hyping him up... dude's a wuss, though. Beat him at level 7 because he kept tossing bombs you could very well use against his own allies....
its where u do one of the shar trials. theres a rockwall u can climb down and to the foot of the big shar statue. behind her feet there is a small devil circle. interact with it
@@Vorador-8 i was severely underleveled before going in shars gauntlet i was only 6.5 by the time i got to the moonrise towers fight so i had to backtrack my saves all the back before i finished the gauntlet so i could go back and do the underdark they made it sound like you could only pick one path or the other i didnt think of doing the underdark and mountain pass
The most difficult one was Moonrise Tower for me. I freed Dame Aylin, thinking she's just a side quest, then went to Moonrise for the first time. There were like 3-4 Necromancers, a few Death Shepherds and lots of undead. Even if you manage to kill Death Shepherds, these necromancers will spawn more of the undead (3-4 per turn) and the fight could go on forever. But in the end, my damage outweighed the hp of undead and I killed them all. Took me like 40-50 minutes. And that was the easy part. The hard part was the Moonrise tower main floor. Basically every NPC that was supposed to be in the jail (Warden and adepts/disciples, whatever their name is) spawned right on the main floor. It was a pain in the ass killing Z'rell because of these adepts that cast hunger of hadar, and the game added more on top. Harpers just couldn't survive this.
Might I suggest to enlarge your dialogue option text size? I really enjoyed your video but on my cell phone I wasn’t able to read the options you chose! Thank you if you take it into consideration!
@@theslayer5978 I mean deal. I was expecting some reaction. Definitely negative. A deal for a Devil a big thing. So, it's kinda weird, he told to give reward to us. After, we literally betrayed him. He, could at least say. "I have a slave. So, no hard feelings. "(he still need us) But if we betray him again. We're doomed.
@@RidlleForest He got what he wanted so there's no reason to be mad. The "deal" he makes with you is just so he can get control of Yurgir again. He wins no matter what the outcome in this case because he still gets Yurgir. You either help him and kill Yurgir which sends him back to Rafael or you end up having Yurgir sign a new contract of his own free will. It's a win/win for him
Haha yeah that was the way it went down for me, first he offs his minions, then he offs his pet and then he offed himself lololol, it guess it paid off being a bard with a bunch of +abilities
@@FatalHog Yeah, that is true. Heavy armor is in a kinda weird spot right now as Barbs lose their core ability. You can respec her to Fighter though and add those traits. But idk whether you want to or not.
lol, I went around the back cause aint no way this aint a trap from following that shadow cat. Started the fight instant cause i came from another way. Honestly shame I didn't follow the cat cause this is sick. But easily done on another playthrough. Love to see that others did the same in the comments. I was about to control the battle kinda well with fog, moonbeam, and ice storm. Course those fucking bombs nearly did me in. Two party memebers died but all in all, a victory.
Why tf would he? He's not doing a guide - He's showing outcomes. The time it took you to write that comment is the same amount of time it'd take to find a map lol.
Holy shit I can’t stand Tarlach. Everyone’s totally free to choose their party members but dear god I don’t regret giving her head to the paladins for a second
All I know is that I shot the displacer beast with my rogue, and suddenly 15 devils started charging me.
same here rofl
Yup me too
Same.
That's what you deserve for hurting that sweet kitten
Saaaaaame. Lol
You can also convince the displacer beast to betry him if you examine its food.
I climbed around stairs on the outside and flanked around the arena when I only saw the displaced beast to get the drop on it. Rounded the corner and everyone became hostile. After a miserable battle I was confused but assumed that was just a weird encounter. Can’t believe THAT was the guy Raphael was warning about
I really enjoyed Raphael in this game. Some really fun dialog and voicing.
Reminded me a bit of Gaunter O’Dimm from Witcher 3
13:02 - Raphael must be new at contracts, a simple comeback would be to point out nowhere does it stipulate he is NOT allowed to subcontract his task to somebody else.
The song basically says that Yurgir should do all the killing.
He is bluffing with a devil who is not exactly clever and spent years in solitary.
@@user-xw5xo3bv1n it baffles me a player can't point this out, especially a warlock.
@@NoName-ym5zj Warlocks are often NOT good with contracts. Warlockery isn't about beating devils in negotiations it is about paying a price for a shortcut to power. There are many roads from there.
I killed the Dark Justiciar then went to Yurgir then backstabbed him. Then summoned Flesh(Brother of Balthazaar) to help fight Yurgir, killed Yurgir then leave a few monsters to backstabbed Flesh, killed Flesh, clear out the enemies then go to Balthazaar to kill him
Satan looks upto you 😂
@@rohanverma9057 I'd argue the opposite. Who died as result of his actions?
1. Last of the order of fanatical killers
2. Killer demon contracted to kill the order of fanatics
3. Evil Necromancer, his ghouls, his summons and his frankenstein monstrosity.
There's not a redeemable soul in that dungeon before our arrival. We just leave after dispensing appropriate amount of justice, and it just so happens that "appropriate" means when we leave the dungeon is finally devoid of life and unlife.
@@lehaua8922 haha tbh i did the same my friend, exactly as he did, i only realise now when i see the comment again 💀
@@lehaua8922 Well, Yurgir can't die in Material plane, you freed him from his contract and then released by banishing back to Hells right into House of Hope, where he stood when signed contract with Raphael.
I was thinking "can I kill this two mtf? They are devils, they will stab me sooner than later, might as well kill them both" but you took it to a whole new level XD
Yeah, so my bard recognized the lyric contract, and through a series of performance and persuasion rolls got him to kill all his minions, his displacer beast, then himself. Best Boss fight I ever had :p
So, I killed the Dark Justicier before talking to Yugir. He was friendly with me afterward. Later, when I invaded Raphael's castle, i asked Yugir to join me against Raphael and he did. After that, Yugir joined me for the last battle against the Absolute.
I killed Yugir and he still joined me against Raph and Elder Brain
@@flyingchinchilla2683yeah demons don't die. They just go back to avernus
So, the Raphael is the classic Harvester devil: he made a contract with someone on surface (mason guild leaders, I bet) to kill Ketheric's army, then made a contract with Yurgir for killing the Dark Justiciar army, then proposed a ritual to the last of them to "made one many" and he turned into rats who were tecnically the last DJ and still praying to Shar, so Yurgir's contract trapped him forever. Then he makes contract with Astarion to kill the Yurgir without speaking to him and Yurgir returns to Hells by laws of Multiverse and so that - leaves the Gauntler of Shar without fulfilling the contract and becomes the slave to Raphael.
The only thing he miscalculated - he wanted the Crown so bad, that decided to play games with the group that knows many Raphael's contracts and knows his methods. So we can go to his House of Hope (with help of archdevil Mammon in fact, or with his silent approval at least), steal from him, get some of his secrets and treasures, steal few contracts and in the end persuade Yurgir-slave to turn against his master and finally get free from his tormentor. I love how game proposes the stories and plots of the past to player who pays attention.
In my playthrough, it was Yurgir who told me how to get to House of Hope and I didn't need to do any persuasion on him to turn against Raphael in fight. Exactly what I hoped for when opted to search how to help Yurgir break his contract.
There are 3 other enemy in act 2 whom you can kill without fight...
1 is that doll doctor
2. That golden boy who keeps asking for gold
3. Kethric sin who drinks too much
I managed to finish two of these guys without the need of a fights, and while it's really cool that you can do that. I feel like I miss out of potentially really cool boss fights as well.
4. The Drider, by ambushing his patrol and saying the Absolute commands him to hand over his lantern
5. On the docks on Moonrise, you can use your worm to make a guard go insane and jump into the water
6. And don’t forget inspiring Ketheric to jump down a pit
Raphael is talking like he is hard to kill, I was afraid traversing in the Masoleum because of what he said. I attacked the displacer beast without knowing where is Yugir is or is it even associated to him. I killed him without taking so much hits, sleet storm+ hunger of hadar combo+moonbeam.
I accidentally aggroed the rat justicier, beat him and then met that demon. Needless to say i was very confused
Wait that guy was a devil?
I knocked bro off of the ledge, cast blade storm on him, and when he got up he tossed bombs and killed himself.
I didn't even know I could talk to him, I just killed everyone inside the temple who looked like an enemy.
Ignore the haters coming here looking for answers and guidance, because that isnt the original intention of the video, you recorded it to show the different outcomes and consequences of this particular side quest. Great job btw
Hate. Hate!
so whether you break the contract or not it makes no difference, he still become Raphael's pawn and is a 'resident' in the house of hope
I met rata before the demon, they offered me to mark treasure on my map. Now after i met demon, there are literally no rats there. I am here only because i've spent the last 2 hours looking around every corner of the temple...
Did you find an answer. I'm in the same boat.
@@henrymarriott5636 i just had to fight them, unfortunately. It wasn't a pleasant fight, all 3 companions died and my character ran away, i managed to revive them in a camp, come back and finish off the remaining enemies
@vladislavivanov7229 I ended up reloading my save. I had gone down to the bottom too early causing the rat to no longer be there. He loaded after finding a save in which I hadn't been down.
I shattered the rats to get a treasure. But I can't find it
As Tav once said, "I like Raphael, but I would never say that to his smug face."
So glad that I did this naturally before watching this vid... Did it on my own and thats about all the help I would have had clearly lol
What would happen if instead of killing the remaining survivor, you just knock him and bring him to the devil?
nothing happens, you can't move the body either.
Knocking characters without killing is the same as killing them, it makes no difference in the plot.
@@SuperKratosgamer That can't be true. There was some quest where the outcome changed if I knocked my enemies instead of killing them, ie the hag quest in the city
@@SuperKratosgamer depends on the quest/ character but mostly yeah no difference
Contract didnt say he could subcontract the last kill out, but it didnt say he could not!
yurgir aint that smart
Wait how was Astarion okay with that choice? He got pissed when I tried to talk to Yurgir instead of killing him first. Did he not know about his scars being infernal before hand?
He doesn't unless you're a tiefling, then you can tell him they're in infernal.
@@Momofan69you can pass the check as another race my half elf passed it and recognized the infernal. She has pretty high intelligence though
At first he seemed stupid to me. But after I talked to him about Nessa and how he manipulates her, I thought that he was still very cunning, devilishly smart. And now I see him not as a stupid fat man, but as a sober, big guy.
Tav by being a player millions of times smarter, he can convince him to commit suicide by just using 10 minutes of his time and constantly pressing f5. But this should not belittle this demon and his mental abilities.
This def makes me feel better about tricking him for astarions side quest, felt incredibly bad, since the outcome is pretty much the same anyway
I managed to convince him to kill his followers, his cat, and then finally himself, I’ve got a silver tongue worthy of a devil 😈
7:40 this line is so good.
Why I don't get any dialogue when approaching Yurgir? He straight away ambushes my party and attacks me when I go to his location.
did you kill his pet cat?
he straight attack if u went from the side. Dialog pop up if you use the main path.
Happened to me too. I tried three paths I think… oh well. Took me an eternity to kill everything.
@@TheWeiYuman that’s some horseshit
I kept throwing the orb out of the room until nobody saw me steal it. Now I haven't killed Yurhir, not sided with Raphael or broke the contract. It will be interesting to see what happens
Didn’t even realize you could talk to Yurgir, I jumped the broken stairs and went around the corner and instantly aggro’d them all. They got me first time, but was pretty easy the second time
I passed the perception check just before u get to the displacer beast then i saw the ambush above, turned around and ambushed the demon and never talked to him
Sam actually split the Battle in half. Killed a few fled battle and came back for the few remaining
Who the hell is Sam?
Truly unbelievable. I yhought the persuade to look around was just to buy time...but that they created all yhis. Reminds me if yhe shadow druids in its subtlety
He painted a pretty picture hyping him up... dude's a wuss, though. Beat him at level 7 because he kept tossing bombs you could very well use against his own allies....
i accidently killed him with spirit guardians while in dialog with him
@@eagles5205 now thats funny af 😅
@@eagles5205lol, did the convo just suddenly end?
you dont even show where to go after talking to him... you just cut to the fight
its where u do one of the shar trials. theres a rockwall u can climb down and to the foot of the big shar statue. behind her feet there is a small devil circle. interact with it
Plus there's a displacer beast that leads you there as well.
He attacked me on sight so I didn’t realize this was possible
I like the other methods, i just used my Bard to persuade him and his allies to sip the Kool-Aid
So far the yurgirs fight was the most difficult so far using spike growth was only the only way but that spell actually broken though
Why? I made him kill his servants, then slap him with branding smite. No invis made him piece of cake.
@@Vorador-8 i was severely underleveled before going in shars gauntlet i was only 6.5 by the time i got to the moonrise towers fight so i had to backtrack my saves all the back before i finished the gauntlet so i could go back and do the underdark they made it sound like you could only pick one path or the other i didnt think of doing the underdark and mountain pass
@@josephroman5473underleveled?? level 6 is the recommended level there
the final fight at moonrise not meant to be lvl 6 unless you want to spend days on scum saving@@meyr1992
The most difficult one was Moonrise Tower for me. I freed Dame Aylin, thinking she's just a side quest, then went to Moonrise for the first time.
There were like 3-4 Necromancers, a few Death Shepherds and lots of undead. Even if you manage to kill Death Shepherds, these necromancers will spawn more of the undead (3-4 per turn) and the fight could go on forever. But in the end, my damage outweighed the hp of undead and I killed them all. Took me like 40-50 minutes.
And that was the easy part. The hard part was the Moonrise tower main floor. Basically every NPC that was supposed to be in the jail (Warden and adepts/disciples, whatever their name is) spawned right on the main floor. It was a pain in the ass killing Z'rell because of these adepts that cast hunger of hadar, and the game added more on top. Harpers just couldn't survive this.
I FUCKING KNEW IT LOL I REALLY THOUGHT I NEED TO FIGHT A LVL 11 boss when I was just lvl 8
Might I suggest to enlarge your dialogue option text size? I really enjoyed your video but on my cell phone I wasn’t able to read the options you chose! Thank you if you take it into consideration!
good stuff man
It was so cool when he threew na array if bombs every direction if you get to disarm him
okay, wait, so even if you help Yurgir break the contract he still ends up at Raphael's?
Wait... so Rafael not angry at you for breaking your contract?
Somewhat, no you interact with him again and nothing happens.
But you haven't signed everything.
@@theslayer5978 I mean deal. I was expecting some reaction. Definitely negative. A deal for a Devil a big thing. So, it's kinda weird, he told to give reward to us. After, we literally betrayed him. He, could at least say. "I have a slave. So, no hard feelings. "(he still need us) But if we betray him again. We're doomed.
@@RidlleForest He got what he wanted so there's no reason to be mad. The "deal" he makes with you is just so he can get control of Yurgir again. He wins no matter what the outcome in this case because he still gets Yurgir. You either help him and kill Yurgir which sends him back to Rafael or you end up having Yurgir sign a new contract of his own free will. It's a win/win for him
I ambushed them from behind got his fancy crossbow and tons of axes to sell.
LMFAOO KARLACH IS SO THE BEST COMPANION IN THIS GAME ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE
i just convinced him to off himself, along with any other boss in the game xD
Haha yeah that was the way it went down for me, first he offs his minions, then he offs his pet and then he offed himself lololol, it guess it paid off being a bard with a bunch of +abilities
@@DexterMorgan oh i am a sorcerer but apparently very lucky one xD
hey whats that armor Karlach is wearing? looks soooo sick!
It's called Reaper's Embrace, Very Rare Heavy Armour
@@Northalix Did you respec her? afaik Barbarians aren't supposed to wear armour at all and get buffs when unarmoured.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 You can add certain traits/perks at some stages of leveling. So you can teach them to wear heavy armor later on or whatever.
@@VenoXj1 yes but barbarians specifically cannot rage in heavy armor, even with proficiency
@@FatalHog Yeah, that is true. Heavy armor is in a kinda weird spot right now as Barbs lose their core ability. You can respec her to Fighter though and add those traits. But idk whether you want to or not.
I think I'm forced to kill him this time since Astarion made a deal with him. Sucks.
is there any way for Yugir to kill the rat/justicar himself like what if you knock out the guy?
lol, I went around the back cause aint no way this aint a trap from following that shadow cat. Started the fight instant cause i came from another way. Honestly shame I didn't follow the cat cause this is sick. But easily done on another playthrough.
Love to see that others did the same in the comments. I was about to control the battle kinda well with fog, moonbeam, and ice storm. Course those fucking bombs nearly did me in. Two party memebers died but all in all, a victory.
Raphael is such a magnificent bastard :D
Mate, where did you find that sick robe?
I found the effigy and had a successful arcana check but the rat didn't show up.
you have to kill the rats on the second floor before then you go back to the effigy :)
@@playarround825 ahh right okay, thanks very much.
It's bugged on ps5
YUGIR is the fuggin HOMIE!
"Pipsqueak"
I dont get the other persuasion option
The rat fight doesnt trigger for me
Same
Dude wtf, why would you not show a map to the location.
Mostly doing the scenes and outcomes and didn't think about the location assuming ppl will explore it eventually.
Why tf would he? He's not doing a guide - He's showing outcomes. The time it took you to write that comment is the same amount of time it'd take to find a map lol.
Wait i didnt have to kill him? Thats crazy
This fight was disappointing. I was expecting some epic boss fight... not a joker with too many hot pockets in his pockets!
Try to play on honor mod
Bro I am l have been stuck on this boss for 3 days I’m pissed 😭
I have to fight that mf too no bs
You skipped a whole bunch of shit and jumped to fighting rats...ok?
It is not a guide I just try to to the scenes and outcomes, my bad since this quest can be bit puzzling.
lol dude got upset because u aint playin the game for him
Holy shit I can’t stand Tarlach. Everyone’s totally free to choose their party members but dear god I don’t regret giving her head to the paladins for a second
You alone on that everyone loves tarlach lol
Your opinion is unpopular.
I personally like Tarlach, she is extremly dumb tho, I love dumbies @@teoadventures2564
who dafaq is tarlach
@@urosivanovic8840Karlach*
what exactly does breaking the contract do? He says we can loot whatever he leaves behind but he leaves nothing
Just kill him he’s a jerk
I think he might help you out in the final fight or something similar
Aren't some of the chests marked as owned?
not sure. He did help us later on in the story if we decided to fight Raphael but tbh, he was kind of useless@@TheGreenReaper
@@jasonchiang251Were you required to persuade him (30 persuasion check if you killed him) or was he more willing?
Yeah, because just cut out the most important part of the video and go right to the fight... great idea lol