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  • Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
  • in the 11.0 patch, Pyra and Mythra were added to Smash Ultimate. In this 11.0.0 update, Mythra has a technique called Foresight. Foresight is broken and needs to be fixed. In this video, GimR explains all of the stupid things you can do with Foresight in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Foresight is like Bats Within mixed with Witch Time. This is Smash 4 Bayo all over again.
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  • @GimR
    @GimR  3 года назад +826

    So...what do y'all think of foresight so far?

  • @brambleblaster
    @brambleblaster 3 года назад +1554

    "Nuh-uh" is a pretty accurate comment for this move.

  • @LMANPAD
    @LMANPAD 3 года назад +1805

    Its funny how Pyra became just kill button.

    • @Jairjax
      @Jairjax 3 года назад +210

      I literally only switch to pyra for the up b and side b... she is just so fucking slow that neutral becomes impossible

    • @oface9062
      @oface9062 3 года назад +31

      She also was a kill button

    • @angrypepe7615
      @angrypepe7615 3 года назад +174

      Hey, that's better then she gets in her own game where mythra outclasses her in absolutely everything

    • @mohamedbelbaali659
      @mohamedbelbaali659 3 года назад +197

      @@Jairjax she ain't THAT slow
      and to be honest her spike is fucking huge (also she does like 4 times the damage Mythra does whit one move)
      Edit: actually she is slow af

    • @Dangsm
      @Dangsm 3 года назад +18

      @@mohamedbelbaali659 Thats why they called her a kill button, because you change to her for the kill since she does the most damage.

  • @AverageDoctor345
    @AverageDoctor345 3 года назад +488

    What if you wanted to throw out a safe aerial, but Mythra said,
    _Nuh uh_

    • @jeannofs
      @jeannofs 3 года назад +1

      Lol

    • @monochromemann8000
      @monochromemann8000 3 года назад +13

      What if you wanted to say Nuh uh,
      But Banjo said GUH HUH

    • @thewanderingchelmet
      @thewanderingchelmet 3 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/8vrvVrc1psU/видео.html

    • @TudBoatTed
      @TudBoatTed 2 года назад

      @@monochromemann8000 lmfao made me laugh

    • @lougamerX
      @lougamerX 2 года назад

      What if you wanted to change the meta, but Gimr said UH OH

  • @notadog8662
    @notadog8662 3 года назад +499

    "it's like bats within and witch time"
    me: bats witchin

  • @MkrTheOne
    @MkrTheOne 3 года назад +685

    "Ultra Instinct sword woman invalidates every other swordie"

    • @judge81
      @judge81 3 года назад +17

      You mean every other character regardless of sword

    • @MkrTheOne
      @MkrTheOne 3 года назад +2

      @@judge81 Idk about all that, but I think she might be the best swordie honestly.

    • @frog_phone
      @frog_phone 3 года назад

      couldn't have said it better

    • @peluquin98
      @peluquin98 3 года назад +1

      I got owned by an elite mytra that managed to pull foresight most of the time i landed a hit as dedede
      I wish the hammer was just as fast as pyra's f smash

    • @MkrTheOne
      @MkrTheOne 3 года назад +4

      @@peluquin98 My condolences but you simply didn't have the power of god and anime on your side

  • @TheRealMew2king
    @TheRealMew2king 3 года назад +2277

    I love Mythra (unrelated to Foresight) from just general movement/combat. What situations/matchups do you think Foresight is best in?

    • @GimR
      @GimR  3 года назад +498

      Yeah, I honestly think just foresight is the problem, everything else is pretty cool. I think situations where buffering it always gets it is best. Like with multhit moves or if someone's oos option lines up perfectly to set it off after you hit their shield. Also, obviously, getting it off a neutral air dodge and being able to just react.

    • @pendalink
      @pendalink 3 года назад +50

      On the surface, it looks like it should have its biggest effect on characters with typically good frame advantage on their normals, more or less regardless of range

    • @Hibernial
      @Hibernial 3 года назад +131

      The meeting of the minds 👀

    • @gargantuangerm7415
      @gargantuangerm7415 3 года назад +58

      M2K likes Mythra in other ways too 😳😏😬

    • @bruhm0ment6000
      @bruhm0ment6000 3 года назад +9

      @@gargantuangerm7415 looks aside they're very good

  • @4137Swords
    @4137Swords 3 года назад +155

    Fitting, since Foresight in XC2 is so busted. You literally become unhittable with the right set ups.

    • @hexospikez741
      @hexospikez741 3 года назад +19

      Fitting, since Bat Within in the Bayonetta games is busted. You get rewarded with Witch Time no matter what frame you slip up your dodge on.
      Wait, no it doesnt in smash.

  • @syntax1047
    @syntax1047 3 года назад +305

    This is a button mashers wet dream/ nightmare.

    • @aratabhist
      @aratabhist 3 года назад +16

      You mean wet nightmare ? Wait.... is it only me that frequently got wet nightmare ?

    • @hatboi124
      @hatboi124 3 года назад +5

      @@aratabhist What a coincidence. I've never had a wet dream or a nightmare.

    • @nathanielcammon3294
      @nathanielcammon3294 3 года назад +3

      @@aratabhist yo what 😭😅😅

  • @kaede4977
    @kaede4977 3 года назад +113

    Grabbing Mythra seems like a pretty good option if she tries to preemptively do Foresight. It makes her spot dodge like, frame 7.

    • @dddmemaybe
      @dddmemaybe 3 года назад +9

      Yea, and her roll is also quite slow too, if she was trying to get outside of grab reach at that time you might be able to trap her again after whiffing your grab.

    • @PurposeDriven7_
      @PurposeDriven7_ 3 года назад +1

      This

    • @arse9086
      @arse9086 3 года назад +1

      Frame 2 jab

    • @Periodnetta
      @Periodnetta 2 года назад

      I think captain falcon can combo up air into up special

  • @silvesta5027
    @silvesta5027 3 года назад +386

    I wish the parry window was a similar size to Mythra’s foresight. I wonder how that would change things. I feel the whole purpose of adding parrying to ultimate was to reduce mashing. But it doesn’t usually work since so many moves are safe on parry when spaced. Having a larger window to get a hard punish would be a lot better and would make getting a parry actually feel rewarding

    • @mrgibbles5427
      @mrgibbles5427 3 года назад +41

      Couldn’t agree more

    • @gw5663
      @gw5663 3 года назад +68

      I think in some situations that would be true, but I think it would also break some fighters. For example Ganon has very slow and predictable moves that are basically never safe on shield, and he would not be able to play anymore with a huge parry window. I agree that against some fighters like cloud, buffed parry could be cool, but it would absolutely nullify fighters that don't fit into that category of safe on parry. Marcina would drop at least one tier imo and some fighters who can get ridiculous punishes off of parries (Puff for example) would get too gimmicky.
      Also Mythra foresight is frames 2-6 and parry is frames 1-5? So unless you mean that parries should activate witch time I think the window is the same size? Except you know parry is frame one instead of two. Could be wrong but yeah.

    • @merpaderp.___.4648
      @merpaderp.___.4648 3 года назад +11

      I may be the only one when I say this, but the meta would be super boring. Everyone would just bait punishes thing with parries...

    • @starter497
      @starter497 3 года назад +14

      I think the parry system is fine the way it is. You should get rewarded for spacing an aerial with low cooldown. Spacing generally takes more precision and time than randomly rising fair in nuetral. It would be lame for the party system to be able to punish that. At that point, anybody can just lose a stock to any player who manage to parry a fully spaced bair on shield.

    • @tomcruise7481
      @tomcruise7481 3 года назад +1

      Id say the only character where parrying doesn't feel satisfying is sonic
      Have you tried to parry punish his side b? Mario up smash cant do it. And that move is fast. He moves so fast you literally cannot punish with most if any moves...maybe diddy up smash or charizard up smash but you get the point.
      Also i agree with making the parry window bigger so you can actually punish consistently without running in for a grab or straight up never punishing due to only having 2(?)frame advantage.

  • @davidbrancale772
    @davidbrancale772 3 года назад +204

    So it’s basically blue Roman cancel in a game with no meter. Nice

    • @ivyoeseburg3223
      @ivyoeseburg3223 3 года назад +31

      It seems more like sfv v-shift

    • @jorntumrongwit9056
      @jorntumrongwit9056 3 года назад +72

      *That is bullshit (swaps to Pyra) blaaazing*

    • @orangepotato2112
      @orangepotato2112 3 года назад

      @@jorntumrongwit9056 lol

    • @cDoogle
      @cDoogle 3 года назад +1

      @@jorntumrongwit9056 best reply.

    • @jayeri656
      @jayeri656 3 года назад +8

      Yeah the v shift comprision is a lot more accurate that the roman cancel one that being said please put sol badguy in smash

  • @Eggscramblercomms
    @Eggscramblercomms 3 года назад +16

    Anytime you see a clip starting off being zoomed in on a character's percentage you know some Bullshit's about to go down

  • @Mangombage
    @Mangombage 3 года назад +145

    Remember: Sakurai did mention that they will do necessary adjustments if Foresight is considered too good.

    • @SilverSpireZ
      @SilverSpireZ 3 года назад +7

      Did he? I don’t remember much from that presentation, but hopefully you’re right. The team’s done a good job with balance so far, and I don’t want them to drop the ball now, especially for these two.

    • @thezard7013
      @thezard7013 3 года назад +26

      He said more about the I-frames of neutral B

    • @BakiX
      @BakiX 3 года назад +3

      He needs to do a lot more than just adjust her foresight, lol.

    • @mewleon
      @mewleon 2 года назад

      This aged well

    • @ZoruaMaster
      @ZoruaMaster Год назад

      Well, has he?!

  • @BeretBay
    @BeretBay 3 года назад +120

    I'm pretty sure this character has yet to be completely balanced.

    • @vamburker5950
      @vamburker5950 3 года назад +34

      all they need is a ladder combo

    • @matiasrodriguez1588
      @matiasrodriguez1588 3 года назад +9

      Bro i literally struggleso much vs them online, reminds me of bayo smash 4

    • @not_myosotis813
      @not_myosotis813 3 года назад +50

      this whole game feels early access sometimes lol

    • @roykooper902
      @roykooper902 3 года назад +8

      They're not that scary

    • @TreebeardXIV
      @TreebeardXIV 3 года назад +8

      @@roykooper902
      They’ve been out for 2 days, of course they aren’t going to be that scary this early on.

  • @5quepasa
    @5quepasa 3 года назад +49

    Fits her character. She's one of the best, if not the best, dodge tanks in XC2

    • @outseteddy6306
      @outseteddy6306 3 года назад +8

      I believe she's an attacker blade, not tank but definitely one of the best, so much so that they nerfed her in Torna DLC lol.

    • @yukotrey9422
      @yukotrey9422 3 года назад +13

      @@outseteddy6306 her skill tacks on 50% evasion for her and the whole party so you can slap on mad evasion on rex and become unkillable.
      Plus her third spoilery form has like the highest defense values in the game.

    • @noponarchsage7360
      @noponarchsage7360 3 года назад +1

      Mythra isn't a dodge tank. She has high evasion but she's an attacker. She also has one of the lowest defenses in the game.

    • @yukotrey9422
      @yukotrey9422 3 года назад

      @@noponarchsage7360 ruclips.net/video/I8QgISKL3Yw/видео.html
      And mythra has some of the lowest defense values but her third form again has the highest value in the game

    • @outseteddy6306
      @outseteddy6306 3 года назад +1

      @@yukotrey9422 I know what you mean but it's only limited, so it's not worthy of a tank though her form is very much tank-like for the instant aggro switch.

  • @ryann42
    @ryann42 3 года назад +51

    If they change nothing else bc it's working as intended, they should probably make sure it doesn't do that weird lingering activation after the roll buffer lmao. They put a lot of emphasis on punishing people for repeatedly using defensive options like that, so that part is almost certainly not what they meant for it to do.

  • @XC11301991
    @XC11301991 3 года назад +63

    Thing is, Bats Within should work like Foresight based off Bayo's own game, find it weird they made Foresight like this for Ultimate when Bayonetta doesn't have this mechanic.

    • @Periodnetta
      @Periodnetta 3 года назад +18

      Agreed. At this point with the overnerfs that bayo got and the petty almost useless buffs, I doubt it was to balance her out, it feels more like some sort of punishment lol

    • @MuteSpectre
      @MuteSpectre 3 года назад +1

      nah it's just because they wanted to do everything possible to keep bayo lowtier after what happened in smash 4 without completely removing any mechanics, and bat within was definitely part of what made smash 4 bayo so busted.

    • @XC11301991
      @XC11301991 3 года назад +9

      @@MuteSpectre Which is strange considering they've kept Fox and Pikachu consistent over their life period. Sometimes not the best, but def. not less than a mid tier.

    • @MuteSpectre
      @MuteSpectre 3 года назад +10

      @@XC11301991 It's the difference between a character being consistently high tier and pre-patch (and even post patch) smash 4 bayo being one of the most overpowered fighting game characters to ever exist in a platform fighter. There's even a precedent with what happened to Kirby after he was the definitively best character in Smash 64. (though he was nowhere near bayo levels) I think it's especially that Bayo's whole design philosophy lends to her being extremely strong, so they just killed everything about her to be safe. Not the ideal solution but one I fully understand.

    • @XC11301991
      @XC11301991 3 года назад +5

      @@MuteSpectre Correcting you on the 64 part, Kirby is not the best, Pikachu holds that place.

  • @Revoltine
    @Revoltine 3 года назад +98

    mfw Foresight + Dash Attack looks like what would be the fixed version of Shulk's neutral ground Vision.

    • @qwormuli77
      @qwormuli77 3 года назад +5

      But it's waifu, so they had to make it Shulk-Onetta, that can transform into GanonCloud.
      ...What do you mean, "makes a third of the roster obsolete"?

    • @sonjaa.martin6269
      @sonjaa.martin6269 3 года назад +2

      @@qwormuli77 my issue with pyra/mythra is that they're so faithful to their games, whereas shulk not so much. tldr pyra too good

    • @weaboi1461
      @weaboi1461 3 года назад

      @@sonjaa.martin6269 Maybe it's the people I've been going against, but in my experience so far Shulk counters them quite well actually

    • @lucasdellamaggiore
      @lucasdellamaggiore 3 года назад +1

      @@weaboi1461 Makes sense, even if Mythra foresights Shulk's monado is massively disjointed

  • @kofiagyeman
    @kofiagyeman 3 года назад +101

    Roman Cancel in the form of a roll/sidestep/airdodge? So V-Shift

    • @darkohh
      @darkohh 3 года назад +28

      Foresight actually looks like v shift

  • @LOL-gn5oh
    @LOL-gn5oh 3 года назад +64

    So, basically Mythra has SFV V-Shift.

    • @HaxHaunter
      @HaxHaunter 3 года назад +9

      lmao this.
      it functions almost exactly the same.

    • @gxgycf8348
      @gxgycf8348 3 года назад +10

      Yeah except vshift can’t punish jabs in sf5 but foresight can punish jabs in ultimate, so its actually stronger, on top of not taking resources to use and being usable in blockstun

    • @Uppercut92
      @Uppercut92 3 года назад +2

      Thank you Dark souls

  • @yellowjacket3668
    @yellowjacket3668 3 года назад +56

    Finally a Broken opponent our battle will be legendary!

    • @tiffyw92
      @tiffyw92 3 года назад +14

      Yeah! Give it to 'em, Mac! Show 'em what's Up Smashin'!

    • @Sharkofspace
      @Sharkofspace 3 года назад +3

      cringe

    • @T.T_CenrryTH
      @T.T_CenrryTH 3 года назад +2

      Dude don't do it it's not worth it

    • @luno8009
      @luno8009 3 года назад +4

      I don't think you can recover from this fight...

    • @yellowjacket3668
      @yellowjacket3668 3 года назад

      @@luno8009 y'all keep on forgetting he stronger on ground

  • @Fernando17892
    @Fernando17892 3 года назад +16

    This is how parrying was supposed to be

  • @NychusX
    @NychusX 3 года назад +18

    As an unfortunate Ness once said way back in Smash 4, "Not okay."

  • @outofthecoral
    @outofthecoral 3 года назад +98

    You describe Foresight as Bat Within mixed with Witch Time, but it is actually possible to get both at once as Bayonetta since the activation windows overlap

    • @JustHANO
      @JustHANO 3 года назад +1

      You mean you down and b, then there like a frame window where both of them activate? That's bad right?

    • @outofthecoral
      @outofthecoral 3 года назад +18

      @@JustHANO Yes like that, it's bad because the Witch Time duration is shortened when it happens and you still take damage, but it is possible

    • @salj.5459
      @salj.5459 3 года назад

      Wait, what? Post video of it

    • @ivanzamorano3525
      @ivanzamorano3525 3 года назад +7

      Sakurai actually told in an interview they intended this mixture of Bat Within mixed with Witch Time for Bayonetta's dodges in Smash4 but scrapped the idea because it was too strong. They deinitely used that idea for Mythra's Foresight.

  • @ivanzamorano3525
    @ivanzamorano3525 3 года назад +6

    Sakurai actually told in an interview they intended this mixture of Bat Within mixed with Witch Time for Bayonetta's dodges in Smash4 but scrapped the idea because it was too strong. They deinitely used that idea for Mythra's Foresight

  • @Hibernial
    @Hibernial 3 года назад +165

    I thought UI Goku just got some nerfs though in the latest DBF patch. Oh, this is Ultimate.

    • @darthdistortion1934
      @darthdistortion1934 3 года назад +3

      Dang it man you must've reminded arcsys they nerfed his 22s, 2H and 214H

  • @Tonjit41
    @Tonjit41 3 года назад +149

    Oh. It's like BROKEN broken.

    • @Nekotaku_TV
      @Nekotaku_TV 3 года назад +3

      What? No.

    • @Tonjit41
      @Tonjit41 3 года назад +35

      @@Nekotaku_TV You can fmash punish a parried multihit. That is not balanced.

    • @judge81
      @judge81 3 года назад +3

      @@Tonjit41 Yeah man this is like Brawl Meta Knight Smash 4 Bayo broken. I'm labbing this character not cause I want to because I have to since it invalidates the rest of the entire cast.

    • @Tonjit41
      @Tonjit41 3 года назад +6

      @@judge81 It usually takes me a while to get used to playing a new character, but mashing is a legitimate win condition.

    • @judge81
      @judge81 3 года назад

      @@Tonjit41 I replied to Mew2Kings comment with the details, this is exactly true.

  • @Luceloupgarou
    @Luceloupgarou 3 года назад +19

    Considering how bad grabs are and how easily and fast people can mash out a shield/roll/spotdodge, this is going to be an extremely obnoxious mechanic.

  • @blues4509
    @blues4509 3 года назад +141

    Well one thing is for sure if anything gets nerfed on this character it's going to be foresight lol

    • @dddmemaybe
      @dddmemaybe 3 года назад +24

      I hope so but I have this inkling feeling that maybe, just maybe they'll instead look to nerf her up-b's flying projectile damage before that. Why? There's no reason why.

    • @MrTerminator3010
      @MrTerminator3010 3 года назад +11

      @@dddmemaybe I remember back in Smash 4
      Sakurai: Better nerf Greninja, just to be safe

    • @k-leb4671
      @k-leb4671 3 года назад

      People will probably figure out the counter play soon enough.
      Although the lingering foresight window after rolling back seems glitched and will probably be patched..

    • @CaptainDCap
      @CaptainDCap 3 года назад +1

      @@k-leb4671 If the only counterplay to a move is to wait for her to punish you , there is no counterplay.
      Your only punish option is to grab, which her frame 2 jab basically always punishes for free.
      Your only other option is to jump or run, meaning there is no punish.

    • @D_YellowMadness
      @D_YellowMadness 3 года назад

      @@k-leb4671 If it takes a while for there to be any players who know how to counter the move, the move is broken. You shouldn't have to watch videos or read guides to learn how to deal with one move that takes no skill to use.

  • @tilerh17
    @tilerh17 3 года назад +4

    I wasn't aware of the five extra frames of lag on rolls and spot dodges. Rather, I wasn't consciously aware of it. I could feel I was having a harder time moving afterwards, but I wasn't clear on why. That makes sense

  • @bob171
    @bob171 3 года назад +5

    They say this about every DLC fighter

    • @What_QuestionMark
      @What_QuestionMark 3 года назад

      Except the fact that this is *literally* broken and not just really good

    • @bob171
      @bob171 3 года назад +4

      @@What_QuestionMark Not really. Also thats not how you use the word literally

    • @What_QuestionMark
      @What_QuestionMark 3 года назад

      @@bob171 Alright. How do I use it then ?

    • @What_QuestionMark
      @What_QuestionMark 3 года назад

      @@bob171 Also, the fact that you're ignoring my point and attack my grammar instead only shows your lack of credibility

    • @bob171
      @bob171 3 года назад +1

      @@What_QuestionMark Then let me ask you, what makes Pyra more broken than any other fighter in the game?

  • @umi5082
    @umi5082 3 года назад +9

    Gimr is really out here suggesting people spotdodge after an unsafe move like that isn’t 90% of the playerbase lol

  • @Fruitkakke
    @Fruitkakke 3 года назад +5

    If my favourite character in all of smash history turns into Bayo pt.2 I'ma kms

  • @kildaver
    @kildaver 3 года назад +5

    What if you were about to enter Heaven, but Mythra said, "NUH UH"

  • @XadePsyconic
    @XadePsyconic 3 года назад +18

    been tellin people this and they don't believe me, but mythra and pyra WILL be considered the best character and people will bitch for nerfs, just wait

    • @impossiblehanley2732
      @impossiblehanley2732 3 года назад +3

      Will be considered the best character without being it. And yes, people will beg for nerfs. That will cease a few months.

    • @daridon2483
      @daridon2483 3 года назад

      @@impossiblehanley2732 Dude, mythra literally has a better bats within mechanic

    • @impossiblehanley2732
      @impossiblehanley2732 3 года назад +9

      @@daridon2483 And? Like how hero had a move that insta kills? Like how banjo had an invincible move? Like how sephiroth had a attack that covered everything? Like how byleth had a move that killed super early and ate shields? Everyone has been saying that every dlc is broken and it turns out they aren't. It's clear that the community can't decide what's op because they thought the only true op dlc was bad.

    • @daridon2483
      @daridon2483 3 года назад

      @@impossiblehanley2732 And then what about joker?

    • @impossiblehanley2732
      @impossiblehanley2732 3 года назад +8

      @@daridon2483 You meant the character y'all called bad that turned to be OP? That further confirms my statement.

  • @smokyjo5245
    @smokyjo5245 3 года назад +34

    People who haven’t played XC2:
    Mythra: *”You will recall our names”*

    • @hexospikez741
      @hexospikez741 3 года назад

      Would it it be "learn?"
      Who's Mythra? Never heard of her...

  • @alyssaforeman739
    @alyssaforeman739 3 года назад +8

    Tbh on paper it's crazy but I don't think it's that crazy and even if it was, it teaches people to not be mashy

    • @averagejoe9229
      @averagejoe9229 3 года назад +4

      But it doesn't punish the Mythra player for being mashy. Can't have it only one way.

    • @BakiX
      @BakiX 3 года назад +1

      Except it covers her for *any* given reason. Even if you aren't mashy. Shes faster than half the cast, so characters with anything slower than her is at a hard disadvantage.
      She's even out of shield foresight Terry's jab. Yo a *jab* , lol. This character is not slow enough or weak enough to be given this level of advantage.

  • @Hikariinu124
    @Hikariinu124 3 года назад +1

    i love it, its so fun for me as a casual player with friends since im not really trying to activate it and when it does happen its usually just a big pog moment.

  • @ElDetectiveMike
    @ElDetectiveMike 3 года назад +11

    1:18 Ummmm, what happened to Luigi? Did he die and not die at the same time?

  • @Exslider2
    @Exslider2 3 года назад +8

    This pretty much reminds me of the UI Goku problem in DBFZ

  • @ClemAndMs
    @ClemAndMs 3 года назад +3

    wake up babe new gimr

  • @Larsvvv
    @Larsvvv 3 года назад +1

    Damn i have been staying too long awake this is the first time i see GimR upload

  • @goldzeriteminer
    @goldzeriteminer 3 года назад +1

    "Uh oh, back to the lab again, we messed up, back to the lab again"

  • @patrickvalette1937
    @patrickvalette1937 3 года назад +5

    1:25 ok that’s just disrespectful lmao.

  • @laffy7204
    @laffy7204 3 года назад +5

    Attack canceling also makes it so even when she whiffs spotdodge, she can still threaten a quick tilt and jab on the opponent

    • @chordalharmony
      @chordalharmony 3 года назад +1

      Mythra can’t do attack cancels. Gimr checked on stream.

    • @laffy7204
      @laffy7204 3 года назад

      @@chordalharmony Shoot

    • @chordalharmony
      @chordalharmony 3 года назад

      @@laffy7204 I say thank goodness

  • @melee9183
    @melee9183 3 года назад +2

    Aside from foresight, I think being able to put people disadvantage as mythra, then switching to pyra to get a big hit is really strong. I'll up air or utilt switch to pyra when they can only airdodge or jump and get 'em with a uair. Another cool application is if you send someone barely off stage as mythra, a lot of the time they'll just double jump back on and you can switch to pyra and call it out with side b.

  • @heartnet40
    @heartnet40 3 года назад +1

    Smash Community: This character is BROKEN!
    Non Smash Players: Smash Community this is the 9th character in a row you've called broken.

    • @reason9262
      @reason9262 Год назад

      Yeah but they're broken af

  • @AndreasSaag
    @AndreasSaag 3 года назад +4

    This is the one time out of all dlc characters that the “broken” thumbnail is actually justified 😅

    • @anachronity9002
      @anachronity9002 3 года назад

      Well, I mean, Joker is still considered the best character.

  • @scitails
    @scitails 3 года назад +25

    I mean, Ultimate is almost done with DLC. They had to make sure to introduce Ultimate's Bayo before it was too late.

    • @ricl7742
      @ricl7742 3 года назад +1

      I wonder if it will get more broken than this

    • @anthonyalston3407
      @anthonyalston3407 3 года назад +1

      @@ricl7742 what could possibly be more broken than this?

    • @ShinyMew76
      @ShinyMew76 3 года назад +15

      @@anthonyalston3407 Brawl Meta Knight

    • @anthonyalston3407
      @anthonyalston3407 3 года назад +2

      @@ShinyMew76 fuck your right

    • @Carlisho
      @Carlisho 3 года назад +1

      @@ShinyMew76 Meta Knight mega buffs next patch bois, brace yourselves

  • @k.o.d752
    @k.o.d752 3 года назад +1

    This is like terry's auto up-tilt after a spotdodge, but way better

  • @outofservice7912
    @outofservice7912 3 года назад +2

    The thumbnail accurately shows how creepy this tech is.

  • @RedTheWeeb
    @RedTheWeeb 3 года назад +3

    That image oh god

  • @nighfinite
    @nighfinite 3 года назад +28

    Why does mythra look like a fish when she special falls?! 🤣

    • @duragdee2760
      @duragdee2760 3 года назад +2

      Now I can't unsee that, argh.😂

    • @phoxx4582
      @phoxx4582 3 года назад +1

      I always thought that looked goofy lol

    • @ShinyMew76
      @ShinyMew76 3 года назад +3

      She looks like she is skydiving

    • @nighfinite
      @nighfinite 3 года назад +1

      @@duragdee2760 haha gotteeeem

  • @ImArchiie
    @ImArchiie 3 года назад

    1:35 So satisfying seeing a pikachu Nair getting punished

  • @ken7007
    @ken7007 3 года назад

    That's what i like to see fast af high-reward it's a mix if i miss anyway Panic options with theoretical counterplay

  • @daeater6199
    @daeater6199 3 года назад +8

    If foresight doesn't proc off of grabs, wouldn't that be the play during neutral? You empty hop/ shmix up or whatever and go for a grab instead of an attack, and if they try to foresight an attack then the extra frames on rolls and spot dodge become punishable no? Ofc not every character would be able to do this because of end lag and what not, but just a what if.

    • @daeater6199
      @daeater6199 3 года назад

      @@r4tl_ Ah, that's understandable. I just thought of it from a traditional fighting game standpoint since in some games only a few characters have DPs so you handle them differently in neutral, and you shouldn't always be approaching with an attack in Smash anyways. I also thought of it as Cloud/Marth up B out of shield (except it's more ruthless) as well, where - sure - you can poke with a super safe attack but you're still getting punished for doing so because of those moves. My knowledge is pretty much limited to online play right now since I haven't been following the competitive scene lately after all the stuff that happened, so I'm thinking about this in a situation where you have input delay and you won't be as consistent with Mythra foresights.

  • @lucario6727
    @lucario6727 3 года назад +3

    I dont play smash anymore but your vids are fun to watch

  • @evanshaw5546
    @evanshaw5546 3 года назад +2

    See GimR has a mythra video out. "Oh no what did he find?" 😱

  • @coletomson6039
    @coletomson6039 3 года назад +1

    Good work Esam, love the content

  • @mikesgamelab6369
    @mikesgamelab6369 3 года назад +4

    I think it's good, REALLY good compared to everyone else's roll, but I don't think it makes Mythra/Pyra broken. Getting free kills from switching still seems pretty situational, and if you start reaching for it, your opponent should be able to adapt.

    • @mathunit1
      @mathunit1 3 года назад

      The fact that Mythra has a sh!t ton of great advantages like Foresight and fast framedata and very few downside like recovery is what makes them OP.

  • @versenh.1982
    @versenh.1982 3 года назад +38

    The witch is back.

    • @YounesLayachi
      @YounesLayachi 3 года назад

      Don't worry guys this isn't even the final DLC character. 2 more to go !

    • @impossiblehanley2732
      @impossiblehanley2732 3 года назад +1

      Yeah, you probably said that about the other DLC.

    • @versenh.1982
      @versenh.1982 3 года назад +2

      Hello everyone, peter griffin is here to explain the joke. The user "Versen H." said that "The witch is back" on a video talking about an overpowered part of a Smash Bros character, otherwise known as Mythra. Mythra's foresight ability is very similar to Bayonetta's bat within ability, except foresight is more powerful. Bayonetta was also more powerful back in her debut game, that being Smash Bros for the Wii U. The phrase "The witch is back" is a nod to how powerful Bayonetta was back in Smash Bros 4, since Bayonetta is a witch, and while she may have gotten heavily nerfed on the release of Smash Bros Ultimate, Mythra carrying a similar ability to Bayonetta's thats much more powerful is something that may remind players of Bayonetta. This is why "The witch is back" is a terrifying phrase meant to joke about how there's another S tier character in Smash Bros that's very similar to Bayonetta.

    • @impossiblehanley2732
      @impossiblehanley2732 3 года назад

      @@versenh.1982 Thank you, gentleman.

  • @Pachitaro
    @Pachitaro 3 года назад

    "Only the results remain"
    -Mythravolo

  • @SkaiCyan
    @SkaiCyan 3 года назад

    Man I'm glad I saw this. My controller is breaking down and I thought it was that (or something I was doing wrong) why Mythra wouldn't act out of rolls as fast as I thought she should. Turns out it's just a foresight check.

  • @cobaltdeleon
    @cobaltdeleon 3 года назад +35

    Oh here we go lads. Was waiting on some spicy tech!

    • @shine-ub6eb
      @shine-ub6eb 3 года назад

      Same here brother/sister, gimr always comes through

    • @ssj4922
      @ssj4922 3 года назад +2

      How to do Spicy Tech:
      Step One: Press ZL
      Step Two: Hold a directional position
      Congrats you've unlocked Smash 4

    • @Sharkofspace
      @Sharkofspace 3 года назад +1

      Sword players really think airdodging is "Spicy tech"

  • @koraxacollins9645
    @koraxacollins9645 3 года назад +27

    Hmm I think bat within needs a buff.

  • @PikminAnd
    @PikminAnd 3 года назад

    Rex: "Hey Mythra! If you win in this next Smash tournament, I'll make you your favourite Cloud Sea Crab Sticks when you get home!
    Mythra:

  • @shale2435
    @shale2435 3 года назад

    not only is this a really good video, but i really like the thumbnail. it looks so nice

  • @warpstar4682
    @warpstar4682 3 года назад +4

    Didn't know FitMC played Smash

    • @ShinyMew76
      @ShinyMew76 3 года назад +1

      Why are you referencing Fit? What is there to compare?

    • @mathunit1
      @mathunit1 3 года назад

      @@ShinyMew76 Baldness

    • @ShinyMew76
      @ShinyMew76 3 года назад

      @@mathunit1 Oh, ok I understand now

    • @ShinyMew76
      @ShinyMew76 3 года назад +1

      THE OLDEST ANARCHY SERVER IN MINECRAFT

  • @ParadoxSingularity
    @ParadoxSingularity 3 года назад +4

    King Crimson!

    • @demarcjohnson
      @demarcjohnson 3 года назад

      Nobody understands how King Crimson works. I barely understand how Foresight works now.

    • @ParadoxSingularity
      @ParadoxSingularity 3 года назад +1

      @@demarcjohnson It just works

  • @treykincy
    @treykincy 3 года назад

    Thank god the thumbnail was changed, the last one was actually terrifying

  • @bredceo
    @bredceo 3 года назад +2

    Gimr I made so.e new tech well sorta so ya know pyra side b? Well if you do it right close to an opponent you can footstool them and jab lock to up B the windows a bit tight but with peactice its super easy to do as for mythra for bigger chacters are better try down tilt to footstool or reverse up air to footstool or EVEN down throw to footstool

  • @superj1010
    @superj1010 3 года назад +3

    This gives me serious DBFZ UI Goku vibes. Too much defensive power can lead to ridiculousness.

  • @kani-
    @kani- 3 года назад +11

    Seeing a wifi samus throw a random projectile from mid stage and punishing with a forward smash is SO GOOD

  • @RichDXtreme247
    @RichDXtreme247 3 года назад +1

    That thumbnail is bone chilling, bro.

  • @vengeflyking2722
    @vengeflyking2722 3 года назад +1

    The way Foresight works is quite accurate to how it’s in Xenoblade 2;
    Enabling Mythra to counter anything she’s fast enough to punish.
    So I am guessing that this is all intended.
    My approach to nerfing this would be either taking full damage or getting knockback if Mythra has too much damage.

  • @Senayoshy
    @Senayoshy 3 года назад +3

    all i see is that this will punish mashers even harder, which might make them use a bit more of their brain before pressing a button

    • @BakiX
      @BakiX 3 года назад

      Super ironic considering were talking about someone like Mythra. She gets rewarded for simply pressing buttons like a brain dead chimp all day, lol.

    • @Senayoshy
      @Senayoshy 3 года назад

      @@BakiX takes a masher to counter one

  • @dbgr9875
    @dbgr9875 3 года назад +3

    *2 frame OOS Pyra F-Smash*

  • @Orio435
    @Orio435 3 года назад

    mythra:fast
    sonic:*visible frusturation*

  • @silverflight01
    @silverflight01 Год назад

    "Nuh-uh"
    -Mythra, 2021

  • @MasterKcoop
    @MasterKcoop 3 года назад +21

    High tier users: learn the matchup.

    • @peluquin98
      @peluquin98 3 года назад

      Just don't get hit
      -Some high tier main-

  • @StillJustAJ
    @StillJustAJ 3 года назад +11

    Oh so literally bayonetta with a sword and a kill button, makes sense

  • @HaxHaunter
    @HaxHaunter 3 года назад +2

    ah yes, V-Shift is in the game now.

  • @Dr_Mel
    @Dr_Mel 3 года назад +2

    Sakurai:...... [long exhale through nose]

  • @Blittsplitt5
    @Blittsplitt5 3 года назад +6

    If she freezes after foresight, then what's the unique part of the move? It'll just be a parry where you take damage, plus would her roll and spotdodge still have extra punish frames at the end?
    I'm pretty sure the way it is was intended.

  • @Th390w3r
    @Th390w3r 3 года назад +3

    Wait so two dlc characters are released back to back one from ff and is good but as some counters and the other from a once obscure franchise until Nintendo made the sequal a new console launch title history is repeating its self

  • @brutal_lui
    @brutal_lui 3 года назад

    First of all loved your videos, very educational. I think a good video idea is for the Wii fit "shadow buff" I have no idea what that means, it's like side b ends 5 frames faster. MK b meta

    • @GimR
      @GimR  3 года назад

      oh really?

  • @FelipeKana1
    @FelipeKana1 3 года назад +2

    So the Dev team was like: hey since we're nerfing the top tier, let's create another tier above it!

  • @dnegel9546
    @dnegel9546 3 года назад +9

    Any ridley mains? Find this match to be impossible??? ☹️😟
    I find I get punish for existing. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @LordKarnox
      @LordKarnox 3 года назад +2

      To be fair, I’d say it’s not just Ridley

    • @anachronity9002
      @anachronity9002 3 года назад

      I found it pretty easy, but to be fair I'm hardly a Ridley main and a lot of the Mythra/Pyra players I fought were still pretty new with her.
      1) punish Photon Edge with your side smash if they're bad enough that they spam it in neutral
      2) use your neutral B breath to gimp them offstage since their recovery sucks

  • @jm0112
    @jm0112 3 года назад +8

    Man you can't be telling people this stuff lol

  • @BloodDragonJL
    @BloodDragonJL 3 года назад

    In other words, mythra may get the same treatment like arc system gave to gogeta in fighterz . I want to bet how much time will be before the competitive side scream broken and demmand fix because I like what arc system did in that dept.

  • @astralspecter2345
    @astralspecter2345 3 года назад +1

    Thumbnail: "What a sight, a Foresight.

  • @randomname1924
    @randomname1924 3 года назад +4

    How did they nerf Bayonetta to the ground and then do this what

    • @tinyt.w.i.m7291
      @tinyt.w.i.m7291 3 года назад

      I predict the Bayo patch next time.
      They had to slap her on the wrist for ruining the previous game.

    • @hexospikez741
      @hexospikez741 3 года назад

      Decrease startup lag and end lag of witch time, and make bat within useful for more than a get-off-me tool.

  • @fefafe123
    @fefafe123 3 года назад +3

    I think people need to chill out and play the character more if people can learn to do this consistently without issue in tournaments then sure its broken but I don't see this being used like that in an actual match the storing part that's clearly a bug and needs to be fixed but the mechanic itself does not look consistent enough its gonna be like the other infinite loops and 0-deaths we already have in this game and almost never be seen is my guess but hey prove me wrong and I will agree it needs a change

    • @mathunit1
      @mathunit1 3 года назад +1

      Not consistent my ass. It's fucking easy as shit to do on multi-hitting moves. XD

  • @A2ZOMG
    @A2ZOMG 3 года назад +2

    I mean the counterplay to Foresight really isn't much different than the counterplay to spotdodge universally. Also trying to fish for Foresight is a gamble as opposed to using Mythra's superior mobility to just avoid situations where you can get hit at all.
    Foresight is broken against predictable multihits yes. Trying to actually use it in the other contexts you suggested I don't think is as broken as you're implying.

  • @hossdelgato6098
    @hossdelgato6098 3 года назад

    gimr with the foresight

  • @kaito9836
    @kaito9836 3 года назад +63

    It's gonna be a mess once offline comes back, can't wait hehehe

  • @calebperez7549
    @calebperez7549 3 года назад +15

    Get up attack literally invalidates this lol

    • @tinyt.w.i.m7291
      @tinyt.w.i.m7291 3 года назад +5

      No it doesn’t. Infact, given how slow most get up attacks are, Mythra’s vision is strongest against get up attack. In this game, get up attack is invincible on start up...but a ton of vulnerability at the end of it.
      That ledge option loses to normal shielding. You can just grab out of shield to punish. How much more unsafe do you think it’ll be against vision?
      Frick, get up attack loses to counters, one of the worst options you can do to when the opponent is hanging on the ledge. Reserved *only* for hard reads. How is it invalidating vision; a move that acts as dodge, but gets the benefits of 2 special moves??

    • @GreyVictory1510
      @GreyVictory1510 3 года назад +4

      @@tinyt.w.i.m7291 Get up Attack is a joke on this channel.

    • @mathunit1
      @mathunit1 3 года назад

      @@GreyVictory1510 Except CALEB said literally, so I think he's not joking.

    • @crackededge9351
      @crackededge9351 3 года назад

      @@mathunit1 Poes law

    • @tinyt.w.i.m7291
      @tinyt.w.i.m7291 3 года назад

      @@GreyVictory1510 well, had me fooled, geez now i feel like a jerk

  • @Averdein
    @Averdein 3 года назад +1

    This felt like a slap in the face to bayo mains it just felt like they ripped the last cool unique thing bayo could do, made it better, and gave it to another character. I think sakurai even said he intended to use this for bayo but didn’t for some reason...

  • @marutafrfx8910
    @marutafrfx8910 3 года назад +1

    Mashers greatest fear