Mixed Dart Frog Vivarium Tank 6 month Progress update - Terribilis, Auratus, Leucomelas Poison Dart
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Mixed Dart Frog Vivarium Tank - 6 month Progress update - Terribilis, Auratus, LeucomelasPoison Dart
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Cool set-up, love the water feature i would love to see how it was made. I just got a few Colombian Blues. Just don't Cross Breed , Auratus to a other type of Auratus is all what they mean. But the Tank is big enough for friends, lol..
@@danielmelillo4761 Thanks for stopping by! I actually have a tank build video ;) I hope it gives you ideas
@@danielmelillo4761 check it out 🙏🏽🙏🏽 ruclips.net/video/ANPnUwh2lzQ/видео.htmlsi=Sv0b99DcZrA-SUdU
All of the frogs you keep in your vivarium happen to be species that generally do very well in groups and are friendly towards tank mates, so I don't see any issues in your tank (even though you always have to keep an eye for any aggression or other issues out of course), but that's most definitely not the case for all mixed tanks. (For the record: I personally wouldn't do auratus with leucomelas (Dendrobates and Phyllobates can't hybridize in the first place, but auratus and leucomelas can) due to the risk for hybrids, but it's also easy to avoid getting hybrid offspring.)
However, if you were to keep for example Dendrobates tinctorius or Oophaga pumilio in a mixed tank with some other species, the risk is extremely high that you will get a lot of wrestling, fighting and bullying once they reach maturity (this aggression is common even within the species if you keep multiple adult tinctorius females or multiple pumilio males together), which is extremely stressful for the frogs and can most definitely have serious consequences (whether that'd be one frog being bullied, losing weight or dying prematurely). With many combinations of species, you can also run into issues if they have different activity levels around feeding time, where a species that's a more ferocious eater takes all the flies while the frogs of the other more shy species start losing weight rapidly.
For this reason, I think it's very irresponsible to say "if you want to get a tank with 7 different colored frogs and keep them together, go for it", "don't ever let anyone on the internet tell you what you can and can't do" and saying that the people discouraging mixing species don't know what they are talking about. I do agree that the arguments sometimes seem very blatant and easily dismissible when they're just written in short facebook comments, and many of those comments lack nuance, but there is most definitely a reason why ALL serious dart frog breeders discourage mixing species to some extent. By "discourage", I don't mean by saying it can never be done at all, but at least by agreeing that housing them separately is safest for the frogs and that you shouldn't mix species if you don't know what you're doing.
I fully agree with you that you can have a successful mixed vivarium in some cases without any negative consequences for the frogs. I have a few mixed tanks myself, and once again, I don't see an issue with the species combination you have there (if you avoid leucomelas x auratus hybrids, or at least don’t distribute them). But there are a lot of factors to consider, which is why we usually discourage it for newcomers. With a well chosen combination it can work, but that doesn't mean that you can safely buy random frogs and throw them together regardless of the species.
@@Tropical_Tutorials thanks for the info you’re the first logical answer ive ever received. Most just say “repopulation” “pure bloods” etc thanks
@@ISCREAMCRONE If you want the really detailed answer, I have a video on the topic. I frequently lose my mind reading comments in those Facebook groups; the ”dart frogs can’t swim” misconception is even worse
@@ISCREAMCRONE To be fair, there is a point to the pure blood arguments. Our captive bred frogs will never be used to repopulate the wild, but the hobby basically unanimously strives to preserve the natural localities pure to conserve all the beautiful frogs nature has given us. There are apparently some cases in the fish community where some species/localities have been so hybridized and crossbred that it's impossible to know which is which, and we really don't want to get to that point. I'm not going to claim that somebody is ruining the hobby if they raise a few hybrid froglets and keep them for themselves/make sure they don't get mislabeled on the market, but I fully agree with the strive to preserve all the natural localities pure. That said, the only two frogs in your tank that can hybridize are the leucomelas and auratus, but even then there's still only a 50% likelihood that they are even different sexes in the first place.
@@Tropical_Tutorials I dont desire to argue but there is no point to the “pure blood” argument. Ive said it before, there are only 2 options for frog breeders. breeder either stop selling frogs to keep things pure or get over it. If it was really a Big deal, there would be a push to stop dart selling and breeders go out of business. Til then, people are allowed to do as they wish. It may sound harsh but thats the reality. I would hate for people to purposely cause stress to animals, but its not like people are going to stop selling frogs to paying customers for any of that BS.
Those who care about keeping things pure should only buy and sell to their friends and stick to their own niche communities to avoid contamination.
If you want to make profit, not being able to dictate anything to anyone comes with the territory.
For example i can tell you to stop using styrofoam and concrete in your build because they cause health problems in tank builds for animals. Will you?
Have fun 🙏🏽
The purple plant is a tradescantia or inch plant
@@LukeMcGuireoides awesome! Thank you so much! It definitely inches its way around quickly!!
You can do what you like, but why auratus with leucomelas?
@@bombina71 Thats what I bought at the expo when i first started because i liked the colors