Elon Musk's Las Vegas Loop Explained
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A Tesla sits 7 people max, put a bus in and you can seat 30-50 people per vehicle. Put a train in and you have 500 people per vehicle. But that’s just a subway and that’s apparently too boring
Or too _much_ boring, as the case may be....
No one wants to be with randos on the Subway
They have professional drivers, and don’t have back rows. So try 3-4 max
If people didn't mind being at close proximity to others, busses would be a much larger business.
@Ashutosh Choudhari not with personal pods my dude
I can't wait for the US to invent the subway
*The West Coast
So which is more efficient may I ask, the subway can hold more people per hour but the boring company tunnel can deliver more people per hour.
Which in your opinion is more officiant?
Also it’s going to be free for the first while with full autonomy planned for the end of the year according to a worker *unconfirmed*
@@HarrisonAdAstra Speaking of which, Los Angeles is seriously considering building a monorail in the Sepulveda pass/405 freeway instead of the subway line approved in measure M all because a company that financed the campaigns of LA's mayor and other suburban mayors on the Metro board of directors offered to build the line themselves as a public private partnership. Never mind that another less-corrupt company is offering to do the same, but with the actual subway line thats legally mandated and higher capacity than the monorail on a line thats set to replace the most congested highway in America, those people don't pay the right people, so the better project is likley to get struck down
@@HarrisonAdAstra Seriously? This tunnel has a transportation capacity of 4500 person per hour but I think in practice it will be less. The subway where I live transports 3000 people per 4 mins(each train) and thats 45000 people per hour. So the subway has 10 times more capacity than this.
a car centric solution to car centric cities actually seems not a solution at all
it isn't, but it's also in a country/area of a country that absolutely despises public transport in any form and refuses to invest in it. So I guess one just makes a luxury gimmick ride for the rich folk.
It’s not a step backward so in a way it’s a win
While it's obviously ridiculously stupid in a city like Amsterdam, is somewhere like Vegas, LA etc so car-centric that it's actually not a bad thing?
My own answer to this devils advocate question is no, they should just move towards walkability (maybe Vegas is legit too hot to walk), cycle infrastructure and actual public transport like a f***ing subway/metro
@@jackredmond5643 judging by how much people complain about traffic, it's safe to say that being car-centric in any big city is, in fact, a bad thing. congrats LA/Texas, for shooting yourselves in your collective foot by building your cities for cars, instead of rail transit. enjoy your decades of lost economic growth.
@@jackredmond5643 This is correct, I've never been near LV but I know its said to be too hot to be on the surface during the day outside. Only at nighttime is it comfortable
So it makes sense anything would be made underground
at least they can someday use it as a sewer system
A rich sewer , i like it
SewerX
@@PhillipAmthor hyperpoop
@@MyKharli laughed more than i should. Probably because im pooping right now
Gigasewer
This is not the hyperloop. This is car hole. It's a hole filled with cars.
It was never meant to be a hyperloop.
HYPErloop as its name indicates, is just hype. Nobody wants to have the same issues as in space down on earth, obviously that project was dead at birth. Elon is seen as a great visionary because he has the capacity of making others dream about the future, even though 80% of what he says is complete nonesense, people would just love him.
@@ShadowebEB Pfffft.... Musk fanboys actually believe that garbage.😂
The actual engineering community laughs at you.
@@RoboJules This.
A tiny hole full of cars that tend to spontaneously combust.
Las Vegas Loop development steps:
1. make a tunnel
2. realize that putting more people into a vehicle reduces the number of vehicles, sort of like busses.
3. realize that putting the vehicle on some sort of rails allows for faster travelling speed
Congratulations, you have just re-invented subway. In the current form, these tunnels would be better suited for bicicles.
Thanks for also pointing this out in the video and providing a realistic view on it. How has this channel only 400ish subscribers?
For your last point, it only started today :)
Already getting organic viewers, wow The B1M is amazing!!!
Well a subway can hold more people per hour but the boring company can deliver more people per hour.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they eventually scrap the cars and just give people bikes or e-scooters to use in the tunnels instead. The tunnels are pretty small for a car to fit through, but they'd be a pretty good size for bikes/e-scooters.
@@vladasilva The B1M is bullshit , look at there hyperloop post and grimace at the complete lack of critical thinking .
It's kind of amazing that the strip and downtown Vegas doesn't already have a subway or LRT line. The city layout is basically perfect for it with nothing too far from Las Vegas Blvd. As is the pedestrian traffic is basically comparable to Manhattan since everyone is a tourist without a car.
The battle on public transport has always been where the stations would be. Unless every casino is getting a station, they fight tooth and nail to keep the other guy from getting it build 2 feet closer to his property than their's. This has been somewhat ameliorated by the consolidation of casino ownership to just a handful of companies. And it's only know becoming a priority, public trans, because the cost of the land is so great it can't be wasted on parking garages. I'm surprised Vegas casinos aren't focused on getting their workers in and out and stop wasting all that space on employee parking.
I believe that extending the monorail to the airport, something that would have made it infinitely more valuable, was fought by the taxi companies. And probably opposed by the casinos on the other side of the strip for which it has much less value. They should have made the monorail go from downtown down the strip to the airport. But unfortunately it began as a connection for two casinos on their rear side and was extended on that rear side.
@@d-rot How involved is the mob with the casino industry today? Imagine the flareups between each casino's mob over subway stops of all things
@@iancypes5911 Probably pretty big unfortunately- ever since the need to get into 'legitimate business' after the 80's and RICO.
@@iancypes5911 They're not. They were chased out decades ago.
Why would this be more efficient than a regular subway? This system cannot transport enough people to make a difference ... if it tries, there will be jams, just like on any road.
It's not. But you can't say that to a Musk fanboy
This is not efficient, but this would allow rich assholes to get transported faster and without having to interact with the rest of us mere mortals, all with public money of course
People keep saying that this is just fancy public transportation but... the US isnt actually investing in public transportation so... What exactly is the point?
@@dianaharris8106 Worded simply, there really isn't. To me it's becoming more obvious that it's kind of an act
Mass transit rail is the obvious superior solution that Europe, China, and Japan have realized. But Americans fear metros are ""socialism"" and they care about their freedom (to pay for car insurance, car loans, fuel, maintenance, crumbling roads) 🥴🥴
My country is dying like Rome, haalp
The sales pitch for this: “imagine a metro, but _orders of magnitude worse in every way”_
Exactly, nothing more than a tourist attraction
@@ph4zm743 I’d rather it was filled with electric go karts, that would offer at least some excitement.
I still don't understand "WHAT exactly " you do not like about it . Except that is is Not like what you know already ... Tell me. what's actually wrong with this without involving your stupid emotions.
They really should just stick some low-floor trams into those tunnels and create a citywide tram network, where they are underground in the city center, and are in the median of wide streets in the suburbs. Get Alstom to build some Citadis Dualis trams for them, problem solved
@@TheHeavenman88 Its way less efficient?
A city like Las Vegas seems perfect for light rail/trams - a relatively compact city core, being able to easily get on and off on the street to visit multiple attractions. While a good proof of concept, it's a ridiculous one at that.
What concept does this thing prove that we didn't already know?
@@d-rot The fact that the US sold all the tram systems to GM.
@@KRYMauL How does that answer my question "What concept does this thing prove that we didn't already know?"
It has also already been done with pods before, look at London Heathrow for example, which is a nice system but never expanded for a reason.
For me it shows how big the USes aversion to public transport is. A city like Vagas would indeed be perfect for a light rail or subway system. Has been for years. But the only one doing anything is a billionair who does what he wants...
Innovation: make an existing idea worse and less efficient
...but the LEDs though...
How is this less efficient?
@@gabrielonibudo5710 Any form of public transit will have higher throughput than cars. Cars use up a lot of energy to propel a 1 ton vehicle with an average of 1-2 people. This is extremely bad in terms of efficiency. You might as well use a subway with non-renewable resources.
Just reinvent the weel and give it LEDs to appease the simple minded
@@gabrielonibudo5710 That's lazy , you know why but you sneaked in a question for other people to answer . I often do it in newspaper comments to kick stuff off !
Why do people think these silly ideas that Elon comes up with and takes our tax money are good ideas? I want someone to explain to me what this does that makes this any better?
Its a sign of the times that people are scrabbling for stupid tech solutions instead of actually doing something . Also there is mile high piles of cash sloshing around with people who do not need it .
It makes nothing better. It's a scam.
Its cause people think billionaires are smart
@@MyKharli - Everuthing is a sign of the times
@@JamesSchulte They are. Especially when taxpayers pay for thier crazy ideas.
"40 metres a day at one point" Still took 2 years to go a mile or so.
A.D. 5 000 000 035
40m one day, 40mm the rest
Should be an electric light rail system. Using battery powered cars is really inefficient.
I agree. Lay down guide rails in those tunnels and replace the Teslas with pods that can carry 5 to 10 people.
If there are dozens of stations throughout the city, it would be appealing to take a private pod direct from one station to your destination, without having to ride a crowded train and change trains at certain stations.
They could charge a premium over a bus or taxi or subway for the equivalent distance
@@fredashay Guide rails are very expensive and take longer to install. And they will be using 12 passenger vehicles in the future. A model 3 uses 250 Wh/mile. A human adult walking uses 100 Wh/mi. Carpooling in a model 3 is already more efficient than walking.
The idea of having pods going around the city to dozens of stations faster than the busses can above ground is already their expansion plan.
@@Global_Optimization America already has an obesity crisis. I don't know if they need to be looking at ways to justify not walking places. At least I don't know if that should be a selling point.
@@GloveSlapnz I agree, and the best way to make room for walking and biking on the surface is to move all the motor vehicles underground.
Also, in the case of the Convention Center, the visitors are already exhausted from walking around the convention all day, and they have busy schedules that often would benefit from not needing 15-20 minutes to traverse the complex.
Additionally, stress, and snacking, from sitting in traffic is one of the main factors driving America's obesity problem. If the Loop can wipe that out we may see a net improvement in the obesity situation.
@@Global_Optimization interesting points
Snake Oil never tasted sooo good
I'ts a nice tourist attraction, nothing more
i'ts
It could be the future
If tourists like tunnels
@@akivaplutno no
Lawyers whill be thrilled in case of any accident. According to statistic it happens eventually.
They need safety exits in that thing or they are begging for a disaster.
Its much worse than that. They would also need ventilation to suck the smoke out, and walkways along the tunnel's entire length, and visual markers helping in case the tunnel is filled with smoke - you know, like all state-of-the-art road or rail tunnels. But TBC saved costs because by leaving _all_ of the safety features away, they could build tunnels with much smaller cross sections.
The Vegas Loop is a death trap, the crash of a single Tesla (and Teslas can burn, oh boy) would kill everyone in all the cars inside the tunnels, not just those in the crashed car. TBC isn't the only criminally negligent player here, this should never have gotten an approval from authorities.
@@Daneelro How did it pass any health and safety regulations ?
@@MyKharli I am wondering about that, too.
@@Daneelro its like they threw out the rule book , bizarre . It will lead to massive liability claims when something goes wrong
so how is it insurable ? double bizarre
It was a joke and LV too it seriously 😂😂
Elon promised us a world class transportation system with Autonomous cars and no traffic. 5 years later we have a tunnel with a car going thru it slower then an average subway. Elon I am dissiponted.
Eventually the tunnel become congested too
I mean you expected an elon musk idea to work out? Hes not smart, hes an investor.
It's time more people woke up and realized what a scam artist Musk is. He is the same as Elisabeth Holmes, but lucky that two of his projects somewhat work. But then again, electric cars weren't a new invention and neither were rockets. Battery technology was rapidly developing even without Musk, so he got into it in a good time. His spacex is just a transport company for NASA and people who want to sent satalites up. Must greatest achievement was to get people to shove a shitton of money up his ass. Money that allowd him to hire people who could do some of his bidding. If he had started with Neuralink or the Hyperloop, he would have failed and be revealed as the same kind of scam artist as Elisabeth Holmes. Let us see how long he'll be able to keep it up.
Initial versions are often simpler and less glamorous. It doesn't mean something better won't follow. Progress is incremental.
@@raze_ at last someone's twigged !
US: Our cities are car and highways dependent. Lets change that.
Also US: Lets build an extensive underground network of public trans... wait, scrap that, underground cars and highways.
Not the US it's Tesla, well l do agree we need get rid of excessive cars of course.
We need mass transit. Not private car ownership. After spending few years in Tokyo I realized how impractical American cities are. And car centrism has so many knock on negative societal effects (isolation, inequality, public health, pollution).
These tunnels are only going to help if they are filled with electric busses. Not a few rich people in their model S.
We agree!
You talk like public transportation is the best thing that happened to humanity, I would like to travel on those tokyo trains filled to the brim.
@@mozartvevo9577 quite pleasant actually! Quiet, clean, and quick, even with all those people
@@cheef825 a car is quiet, clean, quick and quick as well. So whats your point?
@@mozartvevo9577 I guess his point is that the Tokyo metro system transports billions of people a year, and these cars will be limited to a few thousands. Having used the Tokyo metro system myself, I can say it’s extremely well thought out, cheap and comfortable to use.
Like many of the comments here, I'm not a fan of these tunnels.
Continued investment and support for public transit should be prioritized, along with zoning reform to increase density.
The tunnels aren't the problem. The point of "The Boring Company" is to bore faster and cheaper. The system they propose to move people is the problem. It's not efficient, but I'm sure it gets the job done in situations where a subway would be too much.
@@ignaciomainardi5501 it kinda doesn’t get the job done, since it has no emergency exits
@@ignaciomainardi5501 "Bore faster and cheaper" they just skip all the safety regulations that are present in normal tunnels and make it so small that you can get stuck in it. What a brilliant idea
"increase density" you don't want that, come live in some of the populous EU, Asian countries, you'll regret it.
@@SaSha-hb5rq Show me a populous EU city where I would regret living, I bet you can't.
"Elon Musk's Las Vegas Loop Explained" It's a tunnel, that *could* hold a subway train carrying thousands of people, but instead holds some sports cars carrying *dozens...*
IOW, it's dumb.
There, it's explained.
I'm not even claustrophobic and that tunnel gives me anxiety. If something goes wrong, you couldn't even get out of the car.
Yes there's space to open the doors just enough to get outside.
The first "traffic jam" in the tunnel occurred during CES this past week. This novelty, like many others, will likely remain simply a Vegas attraction. The feasibility of it handling a large volume of traffic within such a confined area of operation is simply impossible. Fast forward to 5 years from now and let's assume the COMPLETE system is in place to service all of the presently-scheduled locations. 10 planes just disembarked 2,000 people of which 90% are headed to the Strip or Downtown. How many Tesla's are they going to pile into with their luggage so as to be "whisked away" to their destinations? Now consider this scenario represents merely 1/2 of the ACTUAL average hourly volume of travelers at McCarren Int'l Airport, 24 hrs. per day, 365 days per year. This doesn't account for DEPARTURES nor people hopping from property-to-property nor others seeking to simply "ride the loop". Haven't we merely recreated the same challenges now below ground as those above? I write this from the perspective of someone who has lived in Las Vegas during the last 30 years and who travels ALL of these corridors daily since I reside quite near The Strip.
"would be the city's first underground infrastructure system"
Las Vegas flash flood tunnel network: Am i a joke to you?
True!
Which raises an interesting point. Since we are in the desert and this desert is noted for its flash floods... are we going to trust the likes of _Elon Musk_ to install and maintain a reliable and sufficient-capacity sump-pump system? Do we have enough trust in that absurd mockery of a person to bet our lives and those of our dependent loved ones on that proposition?? (Yeah, i'm gonna bet that's a "no"....)
@@no_rubbernecking Everyone will decide for themselves. It's important for the likes of you not to decide for the rest. It's simple.
@@LV-426... The point was it's a public system and it's a death trap, not least because of a flooding potential. What's happening with how that managed to get built and approved to operate is incomprehensible. In the past people would have understood the problems without having to have a 4th-grade-level rundown, and they would've correctly seen the promoter as a grifter who was unconcerned about whether his approach to engineering (make all the trusting users your guinea pigs for safety testing) was acceptable. And that question is Not just for him to decide, or at least it didn't use to be. But you know what, it's Nevada, maybe it _is_ just all pay-to-play. If that's what people like then we can set aside "reservations" for them to live on where their decisions won't mean life-or-death for the rest of us.
@@no_rubbernecking Whether or not your concern about flood mitigation is valid, you have demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing about Elon Musk. Calling him a grifter could not be more wrong if you tried.
"The loop" is the same attitude, as widening freeways to easy congestion.
It doesn't work.
I highly doubt that the cost to benefit ratio will be great.
It will probably be between a Heavy Rail and Lightrail in construction cost, but having the capacity of a cab.
I assume in a few years the loop under the convention center will be converted into a people mover, build to perfectly fit into the tunnel
It's cheaper than light rail because they saved _all_ the fire safety features of a normal tunnel and the taxi stand stations are a joke limiting capacity & allowing boarding/unboarding passengers to be run over.
It's already starting to have traffic lmao
I'm sorry for being negative, but it's such a stupid project. I only seen it as a cashmaker for Mr. Musk.
But to be ending positively, thank you for another great channel!
bruh its literally just an underground express lane but not an express lane since its sort of like a subway?
Why the tunnel in the first place?
It's 1000 times cheaper to just get 4 busses and drive them from a to b,
than building a tunnel and let dozens of teslas drive a tiny tunnel without any fire protection systems...
Oh c'mon THERE IS a fire protection system. You really think Elon Musk would design something with such a massive flaw?
The fire protection system is : the driver floors it in reverse, hoping that all the other cars behind him are doing the same cuz he won't be able to see them with all that battery smoke.
@@benoitbvg2888 Every tunnel has what is called a giant ventilation system.
Escape doors.
Escape signal lights.
Additional space/line for fire emergency to enter.
Nothing. I mean nothing is here.
You gonna have to run in the worst case scenario, half a mile inside a small tunnel, over teslas, with smoke, and probably some doors still open so you can't sprint your way out, not mentioning the dozens of people that also want to get out. One big guy got stuck everyone suffocate.
I don't see that one fire extinguisher in the beginning as enough. So I wait for you to explain how elon managed to make it fire proof?
@@derkach7907 Sorry if the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough.
But yeah the "official" fire protocol is really to just put the tesla in reverse and go as fast as possible in reverse, at least that's what the drivers are trained to do...
I'm just as baffled as you are.
2:38 this is antithetical to tunnel safety, not including utilities like drainage and ventilation etc. I'm not convinced boring co must do away with safety to innovate tunneling
He's trying to prove that his model is cheaper than all existing ones. Except it's an order of magnitude more expensive. And he was too stupid to see that until it was too late. So he had to cut out critical expenses or else the game would be up. (Though actually it's *_so_* bad that it seems the game is up anyway!)
There is a TechCrunch article related to this, but about the fire regs of the stations:
"But planning files reviewed by TechCrunch seem to show that the Loop system will not be able to move anywhere near the number of people LVCC wants, and that TBC agreed to.
Fire regulations peg the occupant capacity in the load and unload zones of one of the Loop’s three stations at just 800 passengers an hour. If the other stations have similar limitations, the system might only be able to transport 1,200 people an hour - around a quarter of its promised capacity."
@@deetoher Wow, that's very interesting.... Thanks
A truck driver will find a way to make it fit, don't you worry
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@@xjohnny1000 +8
@@xjohnny1000 which coincidentally is the diameter of the London subway.
I think I'm with the critics on this one, though I'm optimistic that some new, more useful concept will spring from this.
I feel a better option for Vegas would be to upgrade the existing monorail.
Yup. A transportation infrastructure (like a Subway) that can carry more people would've been better.
@@sm3675 No it wouldn't. The Vegas monorail went bankrupt. doppelmayr bid 4x as much money for this project to build a train for years longer construction time. That's why the Loop bid won.
It's only partially for transport, its other purpose is marketing. It's essentially getting thousands of convention visitors to test drive Teslas.
@@Global_Optimization the problem is not the loop, it's the car. The density is just not there. A car fits 5 people at most, in a train or a bus these 5 people could fit on a square meter. Also I'm quite sceptical about these kind of loop crush load capability. Say what happen when it's working on a condition like in Tokyo or Beijing rush hour for example? Can it loads and unloads thousands of passengers on a single platform in seconds?
@@UltimateAlgorithm Maximum throughput is determined by number of passengers per vehicle divided by seconds of headway between consecutive vehicles. Trains and busses are much worse on headway, with at least 90 seconds minimum between trains and usually 2 minutes minimum for busses.
So if you have 5 passengers per vehicle and 1 second headway for example, that's 18,000 passengers per hour. With 12-pax vehicles and with shorter headway from autonomy of let's say 0.5 seconds, that's 86,000 per hour which is better than any train. Additionally, this is so much cheaper than trains that they can build 3-4 parallel tunnels for the same price.
Essentially, it's not about the density of passengers in the vehicles, but rather it's about the density of passengers in the entire roadway. The massive empty space between trains outweighs the extra density in trains themselves, as it turns out.
... the less well-known but far more exciting "World of Concrete" conference. I can see your priorities 😉
As someone who has attended both, I would agree that WOC is (slightly) more exciting.
At this space, soon they'll come up with the subway
Just wait until there is a serious accident in the tunnel. That will kill off this madness.
Maybe. But serious accidents haven’t killed off the madness of road driving, by far the deadliest form of transportation still used by most people without question. 🤷♂️
@@larsjorgensen2911 Imagine an electric car, prone to causing huge fires, lighting up in this tiny tunnel with no emergency lane and other Teslas backing up behind it...
Right now the only fire safety they have in the Las Vegas Loop system are hand-held extinguishers located at the stations.
Just search Top Tesla fires compilation and you'll see what I mean.
@@larsjorgensen2911 wow ..you are comparing a tunnel fire to a road accident . please research tunnel fires and be horrified .
Yup, either the city will have enough sense to pull the plug on this Tesla advertisement and maybe just have it be used as a bike lane or something like that for now, or it will roast some people and be shut down for good.
The Las Vegas city council agreed to this UNANIMOUSLY? Oh god.
That's what groupthink looks like.
I cant see the advantage of such a loop. Yeah its maybe cheaper to build, because you have a smaller tunnel. But transporting people in cars seems to be really inefficent. Even if they are electric. A rail based system would allow more people more efficiently and faster to move... well thats a subway. The first idea of elon looked something like a rail based system. And yeah if you can get a pod for maybe 15 people that would be a compromise between efficiency and comfort. But that vision is miles away from what they actually build.
You hath hit the nail upon its head.
"A rail based system would allow more people more efficiently and faster to move" the system as it is for the convention center, is only designed to transport around single campus, a rail based system would be overkill and be more expensive and take longer, they went with teslas because i don't know.. maybe they already those on hand, they still plan to build the pod that holds more people but gee i don't know maybe things like take time to engineer from the ground up mean while the loop will already be running from here til then instead of taking another year
when they build a "city loop" it will be an array of tunnels say 3 x 3 that have branching arms to go to each end location, and instead of being a point to point system like a rail system it will be multi-point to multi-point on demand instead of sequential stops like a train or bus, that is the complete vision anyway that they are working towards
you cannot judge each step taken towards their vision as if it were the final vision
@@coreysuffieldA rail system might be overkill, but there are peoplemover like those on airports too. They Transport a lot of people on small distances. I count them as rail based too. Maybe one of them would fit better, but I don't know the area so I cant jugde. And your second point: Yeah thats true you can move between many points, but still, it doesn't seem to be efficent. Well they drive on demand and not nearly empty like a bus or a train at a certain time. But point to point seems to be inefficent on large scales. But again I'm no expert, maybe there is something I missed. Sure it cant be the final vision. Engineering takes time. I hope it can be what they envisioned but a bit of criticism is not bad.
More content for me to watch during lunch breaks so I dont have to rewatch old videos? Absolute fantastic
Absolute epitome of a vanity project, just another lane under the highway
Is this a way to make a tesla only underground highway in order to increase tesla sales as it'll be the only fast way to get round the city in a car?
“What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” - B1M, did you produce this ENTIRE video to set up your perfectly on-point quotation? I think so - well played, B1M, well played.
Apparently Vegas is attracted by inefficient shiny bogus transport system like monorails and the hyperloop, when the easiest solution to all of this would be a subway like any other city in the world
You ever been to Vegas? It's all about flashy novelties that are actually worthless. This is perfect for Vegas in that sense
It’s great way for the elite to travel in Vegas but don’t see it working in any other instance, it’s just a glitzy taxi, monorail hybrid
Glitzy but infinitely more dangerous. A single crash would kill everyone inside the tunnels if it leads to a fire.
there are no `elites `that i know that would go in such an obvious death trap , they are mostly well educated ..this is for dumbass tourists and dumber assed investors .
in the near future, underground road will have traffic again so they will make an underground tunnel below the underground tunnel
The advantage of a car is that, terrain permitting, it can go pretty much anywhere. Left, right, uphill, downhill etc. Put it in a tunnel and that versatility is instantly rendered redundant. The car is a 'prisoner' of the tunnel, so why use a car ? Almost anything else is better. This is an expensive and fairly ridiculous advert for Tesla that I suspect may 'backfire' badly !
already had a friend cancel her tesla over this and him
The hyperloop system basically bringing all the disadvantages of being a car and all the disadvantages of a train system with none of their advantages
Single lane tunnels are inherently unsafe.
One car's lithium battery catches fire and everyone behind dies before they can run their way out to the next escape gate either suffocating or hit by incoming cars.
Dont want to rain on the parade of this awesome system (irony), but in 1975 Siemens built overhead railway systems on their factory ground that were electric and are today connecting parts of the University of Düsseldorf without having the need of a driver. That is nearly 50 years ago. Today, in Las Vegas a company digs a tunnel and puts cars inside it. Brilliant.
I’m glad this video was sceptical.
The current system doesn’t have enough capacity with ordinary cars to justify the cost of the tunnel. The low speed is no doubt for safety.
They promised 4,000 passengers per hour. They will be lucky to get half that.
Let’s see it work under real conditions. Don’t hold your breath.
Low speed due to human operators. Autonomous driving would be high speed.
@@christophercrawford2736 They will need platform screen doors if they are going to use autonomous vehicles at high speed because there is no segregation of bypass lane at the middle station.
TBC/Tesla seems to be insisting on developing its own autonomous-mini-bus but this is years away. IMO they should use some from other OEMs that are already in use. They aren't high speed but they will give the system more capacity.
@@tjejojyj I think you know more about this than me because I didn’t even consider a middle station. I guess I haven’t really kept up with this since it was initially proposed.
@@christophercrawford2736 Good on you for saying that to him.
@@christophercrawford2736 The system is only 1.7 miles long, though. At a constant 35 miles per hour, that is only 3 minutes of travel time. Putting in autonomous driving in such a situation makes little sense, as most of the time would involve entering and exiting the station, waiting on a car to arrive, entry and exit, and so on.
Also, there is little reason to assume that autonomous driving would improve the speed of a system. The safe throughput of a road is directly reversely proportional to the speed, as braking distance is proportional to the square of the velocity. If the car in front of you stops suddenly, not artificial intelligence can slow the car faster than its maximum braking distance. There is no way for multiple vehicles to drive bumper-to-bumper at high speeds safely. There is always a chance that one of the vehicles will lose control, creating a pile up.
Well, you could connect multiple cars together, and interlock their wheels to the road, so that it would be nearly impossible to the driver to crash into the wall, but that would be a train, and make too much sense.
watched another video about this. they estimted a transportation of around 250.000 people per year for the loop at max. if they would build a subway, it would be around 25.000.000 people per year.
Elon Musk doesn't understand basic math. No matter how fast the cars go 35mph, 55 or the speed of light. If it takes a minute to load and a minute to unload you're stuck with only being able to transfer that amount of people a day. Replace a 4 passenger Tesla with an 8 passenger SUV and you double your number. Replace an 8 person SUV with a 16 passenger bus and so on. This is such a joke. Uber will still dominate the mode of transportation to the Convention Center
@@vegasmando5307 Compact transportation for 8 to 20 people at a time is the goal, but nobody else is making them and Tesla doesn't have the free factory space at the moment.
@@fluitfluiten another Elon Musketeer
@@fluitfluiten there are people making them. It's called a bus
I see Fred has unleashed all his unused dad jokes on this channel. Love it!
Loved the closing statement "this might be another case of what happens in vegas stays in vegas"
also great video! I was just thinking the other day what happened to this idea, sad to see that it loooks like just an underpass
What if your car breaks down in the tunnel, then what? That could cause a hell of a stack up.
What happens when one starts burning?
@@angryhairpeice another good question
Only in America would we look at a subway and say "you know what would make this better? If we put cars in here!"
With flashing disco lights!
The cars are just convenient because they already exist, the innovative part of the idea (not mentioned) is to have many low capacity pods that exit the tunnel at each stop, freeing up the tunnel to through traffic. So where a rider on a subway or bus has to stop at each stop along the route, a rider on a loop system travels direct to their destination. Obviously they’ve got a long way to go.
Amazed by this frequency!! I'd suggest though, to use the metric system when possible. It's the universal system, therefore can be understood by most!!
Nope
Or just having the metric equivalent on screen...
Did I miss the part where you compare the Vegas Loop's capacity to that of regular subway lines? If not, that totally should have been in here, because it's an eye opener.
can tell Elon was hitting the bong hard when he came up with this laughable idea
The monorail went bankrupt, this wont be any different.
It cannot integrate with anything and mono rail switching is a stupid expensive engineering problem. I have no idea why they were even tried either . Everyone who knows anything knows integration is number one priority for ease of use and cost savings . Its like engineering companies have spied easy money from ignorant politicians ?
Hoping all the musk fans will understand that this, this is completely BS
Elon combined inefficiency of cars with inflexibility of trains. Genius!
2:05 Is that Dan from What’s Inside and JerryRigEverything in the left corner? 😄
El Chapo: so when will this reach my cell washroom?
Elon: Yes
Laughing in Swiss and Austrian about this toy tunnel. Nice safety features you got there. It's literally a death trap with a laughably small capacity.
I like how neutral the video was. You don’t see many people talk about stuff like this without being totally for or against it. Keep up the good work
This system is a bad joke and anyone with a desire to actually improve city planning should treat it as such.
Adam something subscribers are going to have a field day with this 😂
In Europe we call this transport system "Metro". There are only a few differences: Several cars are attached to each other and there is only one drive unit and one driver at the front. But if someone wants to try a Tesla for small money, using the loop will be a good thing. 😂
I 100% agree with the part where you said that people outside the US won't get it. Because I really don't get it. It just seems like a slow subway system that can transport far fewer people...
I'm in the us and I don't get it.. seems like a huge Tesla commercial... waste of resources as usual
Been loving these intros!!
Another episode of "Just build a f****g train!" and I like it!
Using cars for a subway system is like using a toothpick to butter your toast. It still works, but there are other solutions that work much much better
Ultimately the idea is the car can exit the tunnel at each stop, freeing up the tunnel to through traffic. So where a rider on a subway or bus has to stop at each stop, the rider on a loop system travels direct to their destination.
@@kevinvlack5948 So... a car?
Imagine if the US put half the effort into actually tried and true transportation systems as they did into whatever the hell this is supposed to be.
They should’ve used this tunnel in Army of the Dead
I knew you were the same guy from the B1M. You have a really pleasant voice to listen to.
At this point it is a inefficient subway but lots of people already don’t use public transport and rather their own vehicle, so the idea of a fast private transport might be better and help in combination with subways for those without their own cars.
inb4 this gets converted to a metro line before 2030.
God I hope
Probably too small haha. It will just shut down and a bunch of homeless people will move in
@WarriorCrimson still a long walk. Bicycles would be perfect
That would not be possible because that tunnel follows the roads on the surface (which is in itself hilarious) and it's way too small.
A scam. It's a scam.
Why do people care about what Elon Musk has to say, when so far he himself hasn't done anything of note to take us into the future. All this talk of this guy 'saving the world' is so cringe.
I don't buy this idea either, but are you joking about him not advancing us into the future?
Just to name a few ways he is helping us to advance into the future:
1. Developed future payment systems with PayPal,
2. Arm wrestled the entire oil, the car industry and biased media and won - forcing transition into EVs
3. Greatly advanced space exploration and uncountable related businesses
...and so much more
@@Boonorp the 1, is complicated, you could easily argue he wasn't fundamental in PayPal, and for like the whole developing world, PayPal is still not used almost at all.
2. Electric vehicles were already a thing and batteries were having good improvements. TESLA did help make electric vehicles "cool", but even then he is not even an original founder of it.
3. Whilst space X has donde good improvements in Space exploration, you could easily argue that we were stuck simply because the USA had more interest in buying big fucking weapons instead of big fucking rockets, considering that now part of the budget for NASA is going to a private company, I don't think is a good long term solution and it sets history for some concerning trends of companies trying to own space
"will we be traveling loops around cities in the future"
Ever heard of subways, trams, even buses?
They should just add stops to the big roller coaster the have on the strip, winding around and through all the buildings. Connected to the stratosphere at the top of the tower thing, thats where it will come back to the start
lad here in Liverpool we have the Queensway tunnel which is far more advance that this it even has emergency exits and massive ventilation towers!!!
As a long time resident of Las Vegas, I am embarrassed that our leaders fell for this idiocy.
Same same.
Same same same.
You are getting so close to inventing efficient and affordable underground mass public transport. Keep doing the lords work!
Just install trailers that fit cars on it, and that travels a really fast pace, prevents emissions being released, inevitable accidents, and less congestion
A small overpriced low-capacity escape route lacking fireprone metro system?
Yes, please!
It is like a subway, but for rich people.
yes cram all the rich dudes down there and hope there's not a battery fire . I know a few rich folks and they say its a tawdry slumville for starters . Who wants a driver been driving 30mph all day in a shitty tunnel driving him mad ..one will crack up i bet ..be known as the hyperloop driving syndrome where you uncontrollably destroy anything with an E , M or X on it .
Just put the tracks for a mini train in there. You know, the kind an amusement park that can't afford any real rides has. It would still be an improvement over the current system.
Even better, make it a Thomas the Tank Engine style fake steam locomotive, but with Elon Musk's face.
I was at the sema convention yesterday and they were giving free rides through that tunnel... it was pretty cool
The only reason for this to be considered by the dudes from Vegas that I could think of is probably to attract more people for tourism rather than a sensible way to transfer commuters. It's more of like "oh look, Tesla loops! might try myself one of those to support our overlord". I find it really baffling that they'd do anything to avoid building any up-to-date rail infrastructure, like man, it's perfect for your nation to have trains go across country, why not build those instead of a glorified tunnel?
I think this is one of those things that you'd only see in those 1920's-esque World Science Exhibition Fair Convention thingy where it'll go badly or some stuff.
haha lmao
America really should rethink their relationship with cars. Public transport is so much nicer
I wouldn’t say it’s nicer then a private car but Elon dissiponted me.
Public transport is what you care to make it tbh. It can be either lovely or loathesome depending on who designed it.
its not about replacing subways or buses, its about providing another travel option.
If anyone seriously thinks this is a better solution over subway, I don't know what to say
This is not similar in any way to existing systems in other cities. It's like a metro system, except with 1% of the capacity, is more expensive to operate and is more dangerous. Elon Musk is quite the stable genius.
Should have put that money in the monorail. One of the great failings of transit systems is having to switch between systems. Each transfer makes people less likely to use it. But again this is the city that has a TV roof on a street. So maybe Vegas is perfect for it. Can’t see it in LA though.
But monorails are crap too,they cannot integrate with existing rail systems and monorail track switching is stupid expensive.
@@MyKharli Monorails are crap when they’re single line, but urban monorails that have a double line can do the same job as an elevated subway, like the ones in Tokyo and Sao Paolo, and of course China’s monorails.
O God the puns- PLEASE 😭
Everybody a gangsta till one car breaks down and cause a mile long traffic in the Loop
Alright bruv I've subbed 👊🏿
Im generally all for elons crazy ideas, but this doesn't make sense at all. What is it really accomplishing? How is a single lane tunnel suppose to solve the congestion above? Seems just like another attraction which in Vegas is fine. In a city like Vegas, would've made more sense to expand the mono rail so people can have the views the city has to offer. To decrease congestion they could have made an underground highway, buss network or heck even a futuristic elon influenced subway system If they didn't want to go the monorail route
Basically it's a service for rich people who don't want to mix with the plebs.
"How is a single lane tunnel suppose to solve the congestion above?" as the loop is for the convention center it is not, the video has misrepresented the convention center transport system, it is to reduce foot traffic and speed moving around the campus for as low cost and quickly as possible, which it has achieved those goals
when\if they build the full city loop it will most likely\eventually be an array of tunnels say 3x3 or 2x2 and be a rapid multi-point to multi-point transport system
@@szurketaltos2693 at the convention center the loop is free for use for guests
@@coreysuffield they are planning to make it as an actual public transport in las vegas. The convention center is just a test to see if it works as intended.
@@coreysuffield that makes a lot more sense
No comment on cost per tunnel,speed being built in near future an thousands of tunnels at various levels.
1:36 feeling virtual anime ta-ta's
Biggest advantage that is missed in this video is the significant cost reduction of the boring company’s drilling versus conventional drilling
...that is only due to its reduced diameter. Can't use it for anything else than Tesla tunnels : subways, trains, highways, etc.
Also, not digging a 3rd tunnel for safety and utilities may be more economical, but might one day become a huuuuuuge and deadly flaw.
So... It's like a subway, but worse in every quantifiable way?
Thank you for Vegas video. I live in Las Vegas so this is very helpful for me
This is my first visit to Tomorrow's Build a comedy channel about the idiocy Elon Musk. Subscribed! Now I shall see all the other comedy bits I can find on this channel.