Well Super Sonic is a undefined power up. It's literally as strong as the plot needs him to be. Because the scaling for him isn't really existent. Base Sonic may struggle against whatever foe but Super Sonic will ALWAYS slam them cause that's how the games are written. We really don't know what the EXACT increase of the Super transformation is, if any at all. But I would NEVER use Sonic in a vs debate because while I loved Sonic since I was 2 (over 20 years) I am old enough to know the way his games are written does not mesh well with Shonen battle series that are more grounded and linear with their scaling.
@@simonthedigger3490 Even game Sonic is enough, which is funny, because you'll always have people put Archie Sonic against the DBS Manga, but it's a stomp with Game alone
@@simonthedigger3490Okay, not ALL of Dragonball. Let's be honest with ourselves, do you really think that Sonic is going to be able to successfully take on the Angels, The Grand Priest, or Zeno? Hell, the gods of destruction would give him at least a pretty challenging fight, especially Beerus. Also, Arale who is literally a gag character that exists within the Dragonball verse 💀.
This. This right here is probably my favorite scale of Sonic The Hedgehog. It's crazy we still have people saying Sonic isn't even FTL. Great video man!
@@Sonic2024freedomera Yeah he was literally outrunning a Black Hole for 29 seconds while completely exhausted and only got caught because he ran out of ground.
The scary thing is he didn't even mention Super Sonic 2 or Archie Sonic.👀 The moment he mentioned Generations I knew it was wraps. Even Young Sonic was running through time like it was nothing.
@@Adumbass611it is Canon. But scalling him is kinda difficult. But Basically 1 super emerald=to the power of all 7 chaos emeralds So Hyper sonic is 7X stronger than Super Sonic And Super Sonic is high outer-boundlesss
Yes they would, when you can punch so hard that it resets a canon, Sonic needs an entire event circled around it. Saitama only did it cause his patience bar was getting close to red. @@BetterbowI
Sonic has had crazy scaling ever since 06, there’s a lot of consistent narrative that implies that Sonic passively just gets stronger as time passes, and everything that happens in forces feeds into that statement far beyond just words, Solaris, Time Eater, Erazor Djinn, all fodder to him. You could really get sonic to outer if you really wanted to. Imaginary worlds, metaphysics, obligatory transcendent realms. It gets wild w sonic
lets not forget, the developers and ian flynn confirmed that giganto(the first boss in sonic frontiers mind you) is stronger than every final boss sonic has faced till forces so
lets not forget, the developers and ian flynn confirmed that giganto(the first boss in sonic frontiers mind you) is stronger than every final boss sonic has faced till forces so
@@ibrahimmohammed8572 so what about the other titans, theyre stronger or equal? also if you think about it in the arenas, giganto and wyvern are on day, knight going to dawn and supreme on night, meaning almost canonically sonic runned through all of frontiers in 1 day, meaning he non stop fought and went to 5 islands(or 3) without resting and using super sonic like its nothing PS: btw you sended the same comment 2 times
@@LimaBr_ nah,considering the day and Night Cycle Frontiers as a Whole Probably took A Week Bare Minimum,which makes this even more Impressive because There is not scenario of Zone where sonic can Sleep,so he probably just Powered Through It all,and considering the pain he was in thanks to the cybercorruption and the Fact he actually quite likes Sleeping,yeah...Bro was not fine
In Sonic Frontiers he literally does reality bending, as confirmed as Sage in Final Horizon. The stuff that pops in open world, like rails and springs? They don't exist, but Sonic can use them anyway. Cyberspace manifests Sonic's memories while allowing him to interact with it, resulting in him basically being able to grind on air as of it was real rails.
Erazer jin. Solaris , dark gia , infinite , the end . Yea he fought gods .Erazer can reality warp, Solaris was existing in multiple space at the same time and the end was a literal unstoppable god and force of nature to all of existence. Yea sonic is wild
Finally someone who knows how to scale sonic it kinda crazy how everyone underestimate sonic like saying "he only speed of sound"or "he always has help with fights" but thanks for doing sonic some justice!
Solaris = Silver and Shadow. Time eater = His Younger Self. Dark Gaia = Chip. These are the examples yall usually use when yall try to scale the blue blur as well. Ima copy from someone else in the section but as much as i like sonic, he is pretty hard to scale because of how inconsistent he is between games
Finally someone that understands Sonic's power(or tries to, as Sonic's power is always evolving, meaning he is stronger with every moment that passes) and makes him compete as he should. People always underestimate the boy, but he has shown more than once to be capable of outmatching EVERYTHING you throw at him no matter how INFINITE it can be.
@@Nombrenooriginal I don't think Mario is anywhere near Sonic in terms of power, but if you think of it, yeah, he's underestimated as most people think he is barely the level of a human with power-ups as he looks like one.
@@Nombrenooriginal Yep, I'm not even close to being a Mario fan, but I've seen some of his feats and they are beyond human. People tend to be simple-minded nowadays
@@MrCraftyScalesfind it hilarious that you haven’t even broken 10k views on any of your videos. Have you figured out what transcending time and space is yet?
@@AJotasticGamer this guy thinks transcending time and space is something to do with outterversal that’s how stupid he is. I mean listen to the way he talks. You can tell he is stupid with only the education of high school if that. To put it plainly transcending time and space is as simple as going from one time space to another time space. Going from one dimension which is a space time continuum to another dimension, another space time continuum. I mean humans in marvel can do this just by creating technology that allows them to pass between dimensions. I mean this is as the exact same feat as dimensional travel. And this guy. Recons it’s an outterversal feat the idiot hense no one watches his stupid scaling videos except retards that don’t have a brain like you. Am I right
Gear 5 would be difficult, if not outright beat Sonic due to Toon Force. That’s not to say Sonic wouldn’t hold his own. But Toon Force is a helluva power.
There was another scaler who also mentioned that in the Sonic verse you also gotta factor in the power of friendship because that shit does actually amp those characters up.
If you think about it, the power of friendship is almost the same as chaos energy or has connection to it. In unleashed and in adventure 1, positive energy recharged the emeralds when they were drained. It is fair to say positive energy is the same as friendship amp
@@yujirohamna2430 Not really. It rejuvenated the sol emeralds too, which would literally just be an alternate version of the chaos emeralds, therefore the "power of friendship" is most likely just a derivative of chaos magic.
I like how you managed to get Sonic so strong to the point where he would wipe these three easily... without even mentioning anything stronger than his Super form. There's his Hyper form (which I'm pretty sure the devs are trying to imply is non-canon now or at the very least he can't use it anymore so a lot of people just ignore that one now), Darkspine, Excalibur and of course, Super Sonic 2. Darkspine appeared in Secret Rings and it is the form that resists reality alteration/erasure from Erazor Djinn whilst only having absorbed three of the seven world rings and not only that, Darkspine is able to reflect attacks from Alf Layla Wa Layla (Erazor Djinn's name when he transforms) with his bare hands and feet... considering the fact that ALWL could destroy the entirety of the Arabian Nights which is essentially its own universe/dimension in the canon and that he absorbed the other four world rings that Sonic didn't absorb then that would imply that ALWL had more of a power boost than Sonic did and he STILL lost that fight... just to further prove this, at the end of the fight, Sonic uses his powers in this form to reverse all of the damage that ALWL did to the Arabian Nights during his transformation, one final major benefit for this form is that unlike most of his other forms, there's no time limit attached... in fact, Sonic actually GAINS energy just by moving around in this form along with the manipulation of time itself. Excalibur form appeared in Sonic and the Black Knight... although it may seem pretty weak compared to the rest of them... and it is in all honesty. It gives Sonic golden armour along with the True Excalibur sword which appears to just give him Super Sonic levels of strength except now he has cool armour and a sword... except something about this form is really interesting; it's technically not a transformation, the armour and the sword is what gives Sonic these powers, Sonic himself doesn't change at all... so theoretically speaking, he COULD stack any of his other transformations on top of this which is what makes it worth mentioning... if it didn't have these qualities then it would just essentially be a Super form but with a better design. Finally, Super Sonic 2 which appeared in the story update for Sonic Frontiers. To fight The End, Sonic turns the cyber corruption he had been infected with during the events of the story into energy that he uses to fuel a stronger version of his Super form. Although it might just look like Super Sonic but with blue eyes, the power this form has is actually insane when you consider the implications that Sonic's original Super form would apparently have not been able to defeat The End at all... yet Super Sonic 2 at full power (which people seem to be calling 'Cyber Super Sonic') destroys The End in a single attack... this not only has huge implications for The End's power when you consider this video explaining how strong Super Sonic was during Frontiers... but that also mean that Super Sonic 2 at full strength far surpasses The End considering he completely obliterates it with a single attack. In conclusion; guys, just stop comparing all of these anime characters to Sonic, most of them wouldn't even survive half of the threats Sonic has had to deal with. There are few popular characters in fiction who have this level of power and they would need some VERY powerful hax if they don't have the level of power to compete with him considering his resistances. Thanks for reading a nerd's wall of text and I hope that your day is going better than mine right now (it hurts to swallow anything, please help)
Excalibur is stated to be able to cut through anything. Just go and search it up also the Sonic in Black Knight still acknowledge Sonic 06 aka Solaris so.. yeah
Is there a theory of what cyber corruption is? It's just that Cyberspace was created with the help of the Chaos Emeralds and Tails notes that even it goes into hibernation without emeralds as a source of energy? What if cyber energy is a special kind of Chaos energy? This explains why cyber corruption can be transformed into a new force, and why the game calls it the hidden power of Super Sonic.
@@magatsujoji No problem, I'm both a nerd for Sonic related stuff and also an author so I take any opportunity I can to write a ton... I'm nowhere near as good as I should be as a published author (in my opinion at least) but hey, I'm trying.
I just saw this video pop up in my recommended and I'm so glad I clicked it. I'm not sure if I've ever seen such an in-depth analysis on these characters before. I'm honestly really impressed! Hope this channel gets more recognition in the near future!
Dr. Eggman is actually absurdly OP, it's just that he wants to destroy Sonic mentally before getting physical most of the time by using his massive IQ on machinery and trying to toy with the hero's mind from time to time But on his own he's a REALLY tough guy with a strenght being a little less than Knuckles the Equidna
The thing with Dr. Eggman is that he wants to defeat Sonic, win against him in a fair fight, like he said in the IDW Comics, it would be easy to trap him and set an explosive to blow him up, but he wants to trully defeat him in his own terms
My brain fried once there was a legit argument for Rush’s bosses, Solaris, Infinite, and The End being 6D and beyond 😂 I loved this video - great work.
The amount of crazy shit Sonic has been shown capable of across various media makes me think that it basically requires something like Demonbane or Mazinger Zero
This isn't even taking Archie Sonic into account. So yeah, when that guy said and I quote, " EITHER SONIC IS A GOD OR CAN KILL GOD AND I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE", he wasn't joking. He's not just a god killer. He'd solo the whole pantheon.
@@Dandyman69 I'm just speaking truthfully. There isn't much to say about Luffy because the One Piece verse doesn't really get beyond continental to multi continental levels of power. Also Luffy has the amount of hax and abilities that you can basically count on one hand.
@@HockyjeorgeMaybe Kirby ? x) (to be honest, he likely could, clearly, Sonic speedblitz Kirby as hell, but Kirby is an absolute monster when you know its feats)
Those saying "Sonic is only the speed of sound!" I haven't watched the entire video yet as I'm writing this, but, Sonic has been shown to outrun a black hole while exhausted and only got caught since he ran out of ground. He has been shown to OUTRUN TIME ITSELF, which makes him millions of times faster than the speed of light
You have spoken absolute facts! Sonic is one goddamn digustingly OP character and there's still many people who lowball him to the point it's straight up war crimes
This is probably the most respectable scale I've seen of Sonic, there were some issues with it, but at least you got his tier down correctly, even if I get him to 1-B through other scaling. It baffles me how there are still people who deny Sonic hitting universal and/or light-speed simply because they can't cope with the fact that some 3 foot talking blue rat thing styles on their favourite characters with negative difficulty. When you consider just how big fiction is, and how the vast majority of fictional characters do not hit light-speeed or scale to moon level, there really aren't a lot of characters out there that you could throw at Sonic without him finding some way to win. Hell, outside of his own verse, I can't for the life of me think of a single matchup for Sonic that doesn't end in Sonic either killing the other character with his sheer presence alone, or the other character doing the exact same to him. He's a very "he stomps hard or gets stomped hard" sort of character at the end of the day. Sonic characters in general are all sorts of cracked when it comes to powerscaling.
Yeah your right the boundless scale for Mario means he beats game sonic no diff megabyte was beaten two times by him which is stated to affect our real world itself with it darkness
@@gameuniverse5973 my guy. who the fuck is talking about mario not only are you completely wrong, but you just dragged mario in here when he is COMPLETELY irrelevant go find a sonic vs mario video to cry on
The amount of people I see try and downplay sonic's scaling by stating LITERAL VIDEO GAME MECHANICS or by saying the god tier feats were unintentional is insane.
I agree with your underlined point, Sonic can basically fold the big three, but the Infinite and "1000 fold" I think was a bit lost That line, at least going by the games subtitles, was more so Eggman claiming he wants to pay back Sonic the humiliation he suffered at his hands x1000, and wasn't particularly aimed at Infinites power itself The video is pretty spot on, just that one moment I think was a bit..........weird
@@MrCraftyScales Then why not flash that up like you did with other examples? A bit inconsistent with the formatting of the video, and could send the wrong message if that's true
@@lilsoonerfaninmo Because I didn't see a need to as I wasn't literally stating he was a thousand times stronger as it wasn't even relevant to the scale I was just trying to emphasis how much stronger they literally thought he was
I would like to mention something important in terms of comparing Sonic with Bleach characters: Sonic can see and interact with ghosts, as seen on Sonic 3&K, Sonic Adventure 2 and more games. That means that spiritual fighters from Bleach would be visible to him and Sonic might be able to hurt them.
Sonic in the game verse is this strong and the big 3 stand no chance. Now if we get into what Archie Sonic is capable of, that would be just adding a hell of alot more power to even just base Sonic alone.
You suckas are like the Dragon Ball fanboys. You're always pulling Archie, and they always pull Xeno Goku. But then the Saitama fanboys will jump in saying that Saitama solos all of fiction.
Sonic is also a resilient little bastard. Nine times out of ten, when he destroys something, he does so by plowing through it headfirst. This mf is out there shattering steel with his *face* without a care in the world
Before I even start watching, I’d like to mention outside extra measured how fast Sonic was when running from the Hyper-go-on black hole in terminal velocity act 2, and from what I remember they said he was slightly over 4 times faster than light, on top of that, in sonic colors DS Omega, Tails, and Sonic state how Sonic’s speed keeps growing non-stop, and in forces Sonic states to infinite acceleration that he get’s stronger every second (but this is most likely Sonic being sassy), and frontiers is just a whole new ceiling for the blue rat
I mean even if he was being sassy, he got effortlessly beaten by Infinite when they first met and locked away for like a month in one of Eggman's bases and once he was freed. He looked completely fine, didn't seem tired or anything. Sonic even won against a fake Zavok not long after being freed from his cell. When him an Infinite fought again, Sonic beaten him by himself, so there has to be some truth to what he's saying. Maybe not exactly seconds but he does seem to be getting stronger passively.
@@sacredpower7530one thing to note about the beginning of forces is infinite couldn't beat sonic on his own the ONLY time he ever beats sonic was with the assistance of his phantom ruby clones which makes me think that infinite knew full well that if he fought sonic 1 on 1 he would have LOST to sonic so he knew to strategise its a shame infinite became a arrogant and cocky moron afterwards though and stopped using his clones against sonic or even our avatar its annoying how he was just yet another pathetic and arrogant villain because apparently for sonic games before the most recent games at least its just IMPOSSIBLE to not overly arrogant and cocky assholes for villains
@@sacredpower7530 You do know that in their first encounter Infinite had all the odds for him, right? Sonic knew nothing about his abilities, which are pretty strong, he made phantom ruby copies of zavok, metal, shadow and chaos, and tehy all attacked him at once, basically, in their first encounter sonic was almost fully guaranteed to be defeated and that happened
It’s crazy that we didn’t even mention Super Sonic 2, Hyper Sonic, or Archie Sonic at all… Edit: If we wanted to stretch it (which we don’t need to, but I just thought of it), we know Sonic recognizes the 4th wall and can interact with it. Technically, we can say Sonic transcends the 4th wall if we throw in that Sonic x Progressive Insurance commercial. No? Prolly not, but still kinda funny to think about.
You can actually get Frontiers Base Sonic to Low-High Outer highballed using some old scans and JP translations from Forces. But yeah an average low-midball gets him to High Complex Multi-Hyper
@DigibrenoX String Theory was one of them OP mentioned, but there’s also Super String Theory, Super Substantial, Infinite’s JP Null Space Statement combined with NiGHTS/Maginaryworld in the cosmology, Conceptual Space Time, Quantum Mechanics and Transfinite Mathematics from the Fourth Dimension Book, etc. I have only a few of the scans but my friend has most of them.
Haha the dedication to power scale sonic is amazing. 😂 you went through the most obscure sonic content just to tell us he strong. I appreciate your hard work. Like u reference the sonic boom to show haha. Love it. Absolutely love it
Sonic in his base form is FTL. In Sonic Colors he was capable of running in the Event Horizon of a Wisp-charged Black Hole only being outpaced by the expansion of the Singularity. Sonic in his base form is also so durable he was able to survive within the Singularity of that very same Wisp-charged Black Hole for what seemed to be indefinite since his body wasn't turned to Spaghetti or Tomato Sauce. On-top of him being able to exist in the vacuum of Space without his blood evaporating and needing to breath. He also seems immune to Radiation given his time in Space is pretty much very frequent and the Chaos Emerald Energy being known to cause mutations due to prolonged exposure such as evident with the Ancients being turned into Chao which was just by hanging around them while Sonic is constantly tapping into their energy directly without any sort of conduit.
Not only he completely obliterates and annihilates all of their universes, he also has all of the necessary soundtracks, songs and bangers to back it up and do it in style!
@@CocoPup69 I love One Piece, but Sonic is casually FTL in base and is multiple times faster when he actually gets serious. Not to mention he can tank falling from orbit while unconscious without taking any damage. There's no shame in your favorite character losing, but there is shame in trying to claim that they'd win without issue when the opponent outclasses everyone that character has fought. Combined.
Mary Sue 🤓"BuT ActAulLY He OCCaSiOnAlly LoSES How Can He Be" what's he's counter to Itachi's Tsukiyomi and being told to off himself is my question 🤔.... yea got resistances for everything has he an just relies on speed see my original point. 😂
@@AL-nv4gk Really? Mind control doesn't affect Sonic or Shadow, there have been beings with mind fontrol abilities that are stronger than Itachi by a whole lot, like Black Doom, Dark Gaia or Ifrit, none of them were able to do anything to mind control Sonic, he also has resistance to alteration of reality (as shown in secret rings, he had survived the erasure done by Erazon Djinn before he had even transformed into Darkspine) so there's few things that you can do to actually make him lose, Infinite was really powerful, used a kind of power sonic had never seen and made copies of Sonic's biggest rivals with a strenght equal to the real ones, and they were all agains him, in that moment it was obvious he was gonna lose, since he was in complete disadvantage
Great video, i know lots of people who would have an issue with this statement but honestly, sonic has always been much much more powerful then we lead to believe
@@strange_editorhuh How though The End is like, completely featless. It only has vague statements about being this all powerful... Thing, that's supposedly above Solaris (who I don't even think is as strong as this video says but that's a different topic) but we never see it do anything besides destroy a planet.
It’s so fun watching the biggest discussions about sonic being from people who have not played the games or read the comics they use for their dogshit anime fights. Its just so cool to know that the norm for sonic is now just fight anime characters guy
I love randomly finding a video where someone explains how sonic can hang with/beat big threats and watching people who know 0% about sonic complain and pull extremely wrong or information back from pre 2000s from google 😂. Wait till these guys hear about archie sonic
EXACTLY. That's exactly the problem that happens when it comes to Sonic powerscaling. Exclusively-anime fans come in and start yapping about stuff they don't know about. Then they start arguing if you reply. Sick of them.
Archie Sonic is on fraudwatch. Game Sonic has many more elaborated feats and statements that allows him to be much stronger than one would think. Archie Sonic is its own canon with its own feats, but it is not scratching Big Daddy Games Sonic characters. It's not even close. Even if you lowball SUPER hard, Games Sonic is Low Multiversal via scaling from Erazor Djinn, which is stronger than Base Archie's plain ol' Universal+. Games Sonic gets even stronger with literally busting the concept of Death and Destruction (who referred to Solaris as "finite" and how even Giganto being able to use Solaris to clean his shoe and leave Solar-ja Boy at the magic pixel of health (as it was stated the Titans were the strongest foes Sonic has faced before fighting The End). Also, Ultra Sonic is not stronger than Super Sonic. Ultra Sonic's powers are so lackluster to be anything but a Super Saiyan equivalent to Super Sonic's Super Saiyan Blue (or whatever higher comparison you want to make). Ultra Sonic has atomic manipulation and elemental control while Super Sonic has manipulation over all reality and has been much more shown to be just a stronger form. Archie gets way too much hype, I'll be 100% real. Games Sonic has had Low Multiversal feats ever since the Storybook games, by the way, so that doesn't help Archie's case, either.
Na verdade essas pessoas estão mentindo para si mesmo, até porque Mário nunca venceu ninguém a nível universal, e em seus melhores feitos que estão em paper, quem de fato venceu os “supostos” seres universais foi o próprio Vilão , Counte Black
@@PedroV444Bro this literally debunks itself, I dont even have to bring the the many multiversal feats, all I have to say to devunk this is that M&L Paper Jam makes then relative, and even if you dotn believe this, I got other proofs
Dang! What a great Sonic scale. This is even better than Aries Scarlet’s- which I definitely would recommend. (He’s got a whole series called Downplay the Hedgehog.) I can tell a lot of time was put into this and I appreciate it. 👍
The one thing I’m surprised he didn’t include was Null Space as It’s an Ephemeral and ever expanding space that has no end or beginning that continues forever and he ran out of it in a few seconds
Wow this really was a Sonic Boom. He opened our hearts. We all lived and learned. He really is a hero named Sonic. It really is His World. He really is the Knight of the Wind. He reaches for the stars. He only needs one more last fist bump AND HE'S HERE 😂
Honestly most people don't remember or talk about this but sonic actually ran on wind once. No not Archie sonic. But game sonic. In windy valley in sonic adventure there are air currents that you need to run on as sonic. The air doesn't carry you I made sure to check, you have to build enough speed to run on the wind.
I used to be a huge sonic fan when I was a kid before I discovered anime. I’m glad sonic is getting some well deserved recognition for his feats and strength compared to the big 3. I just started reading the sonic comics and didn’t realize how absolutely broken sonic is. Got me watching sonic x again as a 24 year old no less😂
So in conclusion, sheer willpower and daily threats of dimensional beings giving sonic the win. I knew he was powerful since he, Shadow and Silver go up against Solaris which is the strongest that transcends time and space. Plus Frontiers is Sonic at his strongest too and he will continue to get strong, he might’ve been stronger with the cyber space stuff he got (still have yet to play that ending)
I remember watching a video 3 years ago where someone was powering scaling Naruto vs Sonic (Sonic won) and so many Naruto fans were pissed but u could tell they knew nothing about sonic
This is without even mentioning Archie Sonic who is just ridiculous. Still, makes you wonder why his arch enemy is a mustache twirling villain with too much time on his hands.
Another impressive speed feat is that in Sonic Battle's final battle, it canonically is supposed to take place within the span of 30 seconds, even though the actual battle takes longer than 30 seconds. Sonic is moving even faster than the in-game speed suggests.
This is talking about Sonic going only up to his Super form. Bro didn’t even decide to mention Hyper Sonic or Ultra Sonic cause he knew that Super Sonic alone would be overkill.
Sonic is literally described as “The Embodiment of Chaos” he is always getting stronger, every single second he is alive. The longer Sonic lives, the stronger he becomes. And that’s just the passive improvement Sonic gets over time. When he’s DEEP in the action, Sonic’s abilities skyrocket in efficiency and power. Not to mention, his durability and endurance is actually unbelievable. The hedgehog has died ONCE in the entire series: a surprise back stab attack from Mephiles. Sonic hasn’t even come close to that since then, only tired. Sonic has been tortured, sure, but he’s never been close to death.
Damn and this isn't taking in whatever 'Super Sonic 2'. Or the brief power amp Sonic got in Frontiers Final Horizons. It lacks any concrete scaling other than the obvious performance improvement compared to essentially pushing Super Sonic to the limits. Game Sonic may truly be well and truly *CRACKED*
Thank you for this, because the Sonic 3 movie is about to be release in theaters Dec 20, and I had a discussion with some people in a Facebook reel of them saying, how Shadow is the strongest and fastest, even when I was bringing up "Game sonic and Archie", they still disagree saying, how this isn't game sonic or archie. Some agree, some didn't. The Sonic movie could be different from this video topic, but it could be irrelevant if the Sonic 3 movie is done right. Mr Crafty Scales, can you make a Sonic vs Shadow video, or is there one in your channel already?
The way I see it is that Shadow is better at fighting but Sonic is faster and because of his protagonist role he has more feats of strength. Sonic x Shadow Generations kinda implies Shadow could have beat Sonic in their race/fight if he used the doom powers but it's unconfirmed.
@@autisonm Hmm....🤔Sonic not being a better fighter? I don't know about that, Sonic is not new to difficult circumstances. He's been battling strong enemies for a long long time and always will get back up and fight harder. I mean there's song's made for sonic, like What I'm made of (Sonic Hero's) and undefeatable from (Sonic Frontier) etc, and I'm not even going to add Archie Sonic. It's safe to say that sonic is one of the, or even the strongest fighter in the sonic universe. It's just who he is as a character. Shadow is fairly new to the scene and he doesn't have too many fights under his belt to kind of justify him being a better fighter then sonic.
@@RetroGamerX80 Shadow was given some kinda training iirc which is why he knows how to use guns and various weapons in Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic is a fast learner however.
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GREAT VIDEO ON SONIC THE HEDGEHOG VS THE BIG THREE.
The blue blurs finally getting the respect he’s deserves, some people think he’s only planetary at his best, while in his super form.
Sonic is multiversal at best and maybe just maybe he can be outer depending on how u scale the dreams statement from sonic shuffle
Nah more like Hyper Mode bodies them
Well Super Sonic is a undefined power up. It's literally as strong as the plot needs him to be. Because the scaling for him isn't really existent. Base Sonic may struggle against whatever foe but Super Sonic will ALWAYS slam them cause that's how the games are written. We really don't know what the EXACT increase of the Super transformation is, if any at all. But I would NEVER use Sonic in a vs debate because while I loved Sonic since I was 2 (over 20 years) I am old enough to know the way his games are written does not mesh well with Shonen battle series that are more grounded and linear with their scaling.
@@sonicwithglasses131 outter sonic lol what trash is this.
Show me you know what outterversal is.
Give me an outterversal feat thanks
Crazy how none of these replies watched the video
"Who's the goku Equivalent.......Sonic the hedgehog"
Is the funniest quote i didn't think i'd hear
Only funny thing about that statement is that they're not equivalent. Sonic will neg diff all of Dragonball. Goku is fodder to Sonic.
@@simonthedigger3490 Even game Sonic is enough, which is funny, because you'll always have people put Archie Sonic against the DBS Manga, but it's a stomp with Game alone
These ngas can't scale Goku😭🙏
@@lysha.2511 no, game sonic is actually strong compared to archie sonic, cuz literally nobody cared much for sonic.
@@simonthedigger3490Okay, not ALL of Dragonball. Let's be honest with ourselves, do you really think that Sonic is going to be able to successfully take on the Angels, The Grand Priest, or Zeno? Hell, the gods of destruction would give him at least a pretty challenging fight, especially Beerus. Also, Arale who is literally a gag character that exists within the Dragonball verse 💀.
This. This right here is probably my favorite scale of Sonic The Hedgehog. It's crazy we still have people saying Sonic isn't even FTL. Great video man!
the people who say he is eveen FTL don't make sense
@@Sonic2024freedomera Yeah he was literally outrunning a Black Hole for 29 seconds while completely exhausted and only got caught because he ran out of ground.
Some people still think and say he’s only faster than sound when he’s been faster than that for a very long time.
Ftl?
@@atari9477 faster than light
The scary thing is he didn't even mention Super Sonic 2 or Archie Sonic.👀 The moment he mentioned Generations I knew it was wraps. Even Young Sonic was running through time like it was nothing.
To be honest. He didn't even mention HYPER Sonic. Granted the powerscaling for that would be fucked, but it's another tale sign of like woah.
@@jobi7651hyper isnt cannon i think
@@Adumbass611yup
@@Adumbass611it is Canon. But scalling him is kinda difficult.
But Basically 1 super emerald=to the power of all 7 chaos emeralds
So Hyper sonic is 7X stronger than Super Sonic
And Super Sonic is high outer-boundlesss
@@Vitoeydude scaling Hyper Sonic is easy actually, just take any feat from Super Sonic and multiply it 7 times
So Sonic is the living embodiment of the phrase “There’s nothing I can’t do”.
Somehow I’m not surprised😅
And yet you'll have Saitama fanboys say that he 1 shots Sonic.
They'd be right. @@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia
@@HeilRaylmao no they wouldnt
Yes they would, when you can punch so hard that it resets a canon, Sonic needs an entire event circled around it.
Saitama only did it cause his patience bar was getting close to red. @@BetterbowI
@@HeilRay saitama NEVER reset an actual canon irl. he probably just reset time or a timeline (which would still make him a goku victim)
Sonic has had crazy scaling ever since 06, there’s a lot of consistent narrative that implies that Sonic passively just gets stronger as time passes, and everything that happens in forces feeds into that statement far beyond just words, Solaris, Time Eater, Erazor Djinn, all fodder to him. You could really get sonic to outer if you really wanted to. Imaginary worlds, metaphysics, obligatory transcendent realms. It gets wild w sonic
that can be confirmed on generations, where sonic defeated perfect chaos without super form and egg dragoon without werehog strenght
lets not forget, the developers and ian flynn confirmed that giganto(the first boss in sonic frontiers mind you) is stronger than every final boss sonic has faced till forces so
lets not forget, the developers and ian flynn confirmed that giganto(the first boss in sonic frontiers mind you) is stronger than every final boss sonic has faced till forces so
@@ibrahimmohammed8572 so what about the other titans, theyre stronger or equal? also if you think about it in the arenas, giganto and wyvern are on day, knight going to dawn and supreme on night, meaning almost canonically sonic runned through all of frontiers in 1 day, meaning he non stop fought and went to 5 islands(or 3) without resting and using super sonic like its nothing
PS: btw you sended the same comment 2 times
@@LimaBr_ nah,considering the day and Night Cycle Frontiers as a Whole Probably took A Week Bare Minimum,which makes this even more Impressive because There is not scenario of Zone where sonic can Sleep,so he probably just Powered Through It all,and considering the pain he was in thanks to the cybercorruption and the Fact he actually quite likes Sleeping,yeah...Bro was not fine
Sonic would run circles around all of them with a snarky grin on his face the whole time. 😂
Im glad someone mentioning sonic's higher dimensional will power. Like the Hedgehog tanks some crazy shit simply because he chooses not to die.
He's too cool to die
06@@Hugo-yz1vb
@@dragonkingwishes99he still refused to die even then as he still had some life remaining within himself
@@mighty4024 i cant see why you reply to me. heck i cant see what the comment your replying to me
People seem to not understand sonic has fully defeated 3 gods one of which is a high level reality bender.
In Sonic Frontiers he literally does reality bending, as confirmed as Sage in Final Horizon. The stuff that pops in open world, like rails and springs? They don't exist, but Sonic can use them anyway. Cyberspace manifests Sonic's memories while allowing him to interact with it, resulting in him basically being able to grind on air as of it was real rails.
@@Gnidelok but that's due to Cyberspace, not Sonic
@@hwanniggles187 And Cyberspace seems to be able to interact with the real world and manifest on it to a certain degree it seems
Erazer jin. Solaris , dark gia , infinite , the end . Yea he fought gods .Erazer can reality warp, Solaris was existing in multiple space at the same time and the end was a literal unstoppable god and force of nature to all of existence. Yea sonic is wild
Sonic a SPC at this point
Finally someone who knows how to scale sonic it kinda crazy how everyone underestimate sonic like saying "he only speed of sound"or "he always has help with fights" but thanks for doing sonic some justice!
Fax
sonic is DEFINITELY faster than sound
Wait but doesnt he usually have help with fights 🤨, thats not even underestimating him. Your just trying to ignore that shit bruh
Solaris = Silver and Shadow. Time eater = His Younger Self. Dark Gaia = Chip. These are the examples yall usually use when yall try to scale the blue blur as well. Ima copy from someone else in the section but as much as i like sonic, he is pretty hard to scale because of how inconsistent he is between games
He forgot the end which puts super sonic into boundless
Finally someone that understands Sonic's power(or tries to, as Sonic's power is always evolving, meaning he is stronger with every moment that passes) and makes him compete as he should.
People always underestimate the boy, but he has shown more than once to be capable of outmatching EVERYTHING you throw at him no matter how INFINITE it can be.
If Sonic is understimated then mario must be unknow 💀
@@Nombrenooriginal I don't think Mario is anywhere near Sonic in terms of power, but if you think of it, yeah, he's underestimated as most people think he is barely the level of a human with power-ups as he looks like one.
@@Windy_Artist-Dev yea is sad that most people doens't know that mario is very OP
@@Nombrenooriginal Yep, I'm not even close to being a Mario fan, but I've seen some of his feats and they are beyond human.
People tend to be simple-minded nowadays
@@Nombrenooriginal Mario is nuts ngl but Sonic is busted as hell
I like how you were just using the Modern Sonic Material to justify this, but Sonic has had FTL speed since CD.
Ik
Mhm
@@MrCraftyScalesfind it hilarious that you haven’t even broken 10k views on any of your videos.
Have you figured out what transcending time and space is yet?
@@Devilchylde massive hating
@@AJotasticGamer this guy thinks transcending time and space is something to do with outterversal that’s how stupid he is. I mean listen to the way he talks. You can tell he is stupid with only the education of high school if that.
To put it plainly transcending time and space is as simple as going from one time space to another time space.
Going from one dimension which is a space time continuum to another dimension, another space time continuum.
I mean humans in marvel can do this just by creating technology that allows them to pass between dimensions.
I mean this is as the exact same feat as dimensional travel.
And this guy. Recons it’s an outterversal feat the idiot hense no one watches his stupid scaling videos except retards that don’t have a brain like you.
Am I right
This video isn’t IF sonic could beat the big three, this is how BAD they’d get a whooping from him
The most accurate comment in this whole damn comment section 😂😂
Gear 5 would be difficult, if not outright beat Sonic due to Toon Force.
That’s not to say Sonic wouldn’t hold his own. But Toon Force is a helluva power.
@CodesTheOtaku it's not toon force. Not directly
@@CodesTheOtakuplus time limit
@@CodesTheOtakubruh luffy is island level
Love that someone do sonic justice he is crazy op even in games and is so so so often under-scaled.
A lotta people forget that sonic has infinite speed and what we see is him holding back
There was another scaler who also mentioned that in the Sonic verse you also gotta factor in the power of friendship because that shit does actually amp those characters up.
If you think about it, the power of friendship is almost the same as chaos energy or has connection to it. In unleashed and in adventure 1, positive energy recharged the emeralds when they were drained. It is fair to say positive energy is the same as friendship amp
@Shd001 its kinda implied to br a seperate force as it can stack with Chaos emeralds.
You talking about six?
@kerrivantas7 Tails Alone probably could solo all of their verses XD
@@yujirohamna2430 Not really. It rejuvenated the sol emeralds too, which would literally just be an alternate version of the chaos emeralds, therefore the "power of friendship" is most likely just a derivative of chaos magic.
I like how you managed to get Sonic so strong to the point where he would wipe these three easily... without even mentioning anything stronger than his Super form. There's his Hyper form (which I'm pretty sure the devs are trying to imply is non-canon now or at the very least he can't use it anymore so a lot of people just ignore that one now), Darkspine, Excalibur and of course, Super Sonic 2.
Darkspine appeared in Secret Rings and it is the form that resists reality alteration/erasure from Erazor Djinn whilst only having absorbed three of the seven world rings and not only that, Darkspine is able to reflect attacks from Alf Layla Wa Layla (Erazor Djinn's name when he transforms) with his bare hands and feet... considering the fact that ALWL could destroy the entirety of the Arabian Nights which is essentially its own universe/dimension in the canon and that he absorbed the other four world rings that Sonic didn't absorb then that would imply that ALWL had more of a power boost than Sonic did and he STILL lost that fight... just to further prove this, at the end of the fight, Sonic uses his powers in this form to reverse all of the damage that ALWL did to the Arabian Nights during his transformation, one final major benefit for this form is that unlike most of his other forms, there's no time limit attached... in fact, Sonic actually GAINS energy just by moving around in this form along with the manipulation of time itself.
Excalibur form appeared in Sonic and the Black Knight... although it may seem pretty weak compared to the rest of them... and it is in all honesty. It gives Sonic golden armour along with the True Excalibur sword which appears to just give him Super Sonic levels of strength except now he has cool armour and a sword... except something about this form is really interesting; it's technically not a transformation, the armour and the sword is what gives Sonic these powers, Sonic himself doesn't change at all... so theoretically speaking, he COULD stack any of his other transformations on top of this which is what makes it worth mentioning... if it didn't have these qualities then it would just essentially be a Super form but with a better design.
Finally, Super Sonic 2 which appeared in the story update for Sonic Frontiers. To fight The End, Sonic turns the cyber corruption he had been infected with during the events of the story into energy that he uses to fuel a stronger version of his Super form. Although it might just look like Super Sonic but with blue eyes, the power this form has is actually insane when you consider the implications that Sonic's original Super form would apparently have not been able to defeat The End at all... yet Super Sonic 2 at full power (which people seem to be calling 'Cyber Super Sonic') destroys The End in a single attack... this not only has huge implications for The End's power when you consider this video explaining how strong Super Sonic was during Frontiers... but that also mean that Super Sonic 2 at full strength far surpasses The End considering he completely obliterates it with a single attack.
In conclusion; guys, just stop comparing all of these anime characters to Sonic, most of them wouldn't even survive half of the threats Sonic has had to deal with. There are few popular characters in fiction who have this level of power and they would need some VERY powerful hax if they don't have the level of power to compete with him considering his resistances.
Thanks for reading a nerd's wall of text and I hope that your day is going better than mine right now (it hurts to swallow anything, please help)
Excalibur is stated to be able to cut through anything. Just go and search it up also the Sonic in Black Knight still acknowledge Sonic 06 aka Solaris so.. yeah
Is there a theory of what cyber corruption is? It's just that Cyberspace was created with the help of the Chaos Emeralds and Tails notes that even it goes into hibernation without emeralds as a source of energy? What if cyber energy is a special kind of Chaos energy? This explains why cyber corruption can be transformed into a new force, and why the game calls it the hidden power of Super Sonic.
Well written. Thank you for the explanation
@@magatsujoji No problem, I'm both a nerd for Sonic related stuff and also an author so I take any opportunity I can to write a ton... I'm nowhere near as good as I should be as a published author (in my opinion at least) but hey, I'm trying.
Excalibur Sonic being able to stack transformations sounds like a banger concept. I’d love to see art of Darkspine or Werehog Excalibur.
I just saw this video pop up in my recommended and I'm so glad I clicked it. I'm not sure if I've ever seen such an in-depth analysis on these characters before. I'm honestly really impressed! Hope this channel gets more recognition in the near future!
Tysm for the support man
So... does this means Dr. Eggman is just absolutely broken?
Yes.
Dr. Eggman is actually absurdly OP, it's just that he wants to destroy Sonic mentally before getting physical most of the time by using his massive IQ on machinery and trying to toy with the hero's mind from time to time
But on his own he's a REALLY tough guy with a strenght being a little less than Knuckles the Equidna
@@wdg2384 ah.
The thing with Dr. Eggman is that he wants to defeat Sonic, win against him in a fair fight, like he said in the IDW Comics, it would be easy to trap him and set an explosive to blow him up, but he wants to trully defeat him in his own terms
@@J_E_R_S-t6c ah.
My brain fried once there was a legit argument for Rush’s bosses, Solaris, Infinite, and The End being 6D and beyond 😂
I loved this video - great work.
The amount of crazy shit Sonic has been shown capable of across various media makes me think that it basically requires something like Demonbane or Mazinger Zero
Sonic the Hedgehog is not only a likable character but he is insanely strong fast and over busted 😂
The glazing is insane
@@TheRealTact always and forever the Sonic glaze 🤣
@@TheRealTact dont let me catch you complimenting someone
I glaze goku no matter what
@@Tac0saladss glazers for life
This isn't even taking Archie Sonic into account. So yeah, when that guy said and I quote, " EITHER SONIC IS A GOD OR CAN KILL GOD AND I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE", he wasn't joking. He's not just a god killer. He'd solo the whole pantheon.
You know what's the problem? You could write this whole essay to someone and the majority of other "power scalers" would still not believe you
I mean ya
You fr went into depth with Ichigo and Naruto but when you get to Luffy you basically just said “yeah he ight💀” that’s crazy
Dw I'm actually gonna be going over Luffy indefinitely soon
Luffy is fodder thats why.
Luffy legit didn’t even stand a chance let’s be real… i mean they all don’t but he has it the worst.
@@simonthedigger3490 look I may not like one piece all that much not too much now,
@@Dandyman69 I'm just speaking truthfully. There isn't much to say about Luffy because the One Piece verse doesn't really get beyond continental to multi continental levels of power. Also Luffy has the amount of hax and abilities that you can basically count on one hand.
I knew Sonic was strong but dang! Great video it was very informative.
I guess you can say sonic was UNDEFATABLE
I mean the song doesn't lie
IM HANGING ON TO THE OTHER SIDE 🗣🔥🔥💯@CottonCozi
I WON'T GIVE UP TO THE END OF ME !
I mean, is there any other fictional character out there that you think that can defeat sonic?
@@HockyjeorgeMaybe Kirby ? x) (to be honest, he likely could, clearly, Sonic speedblitz Kirby as hell, but Kirby is an absolute monster when you know its feats)
Those saying "Sonic is only the speed of sound!" I haven't watched the entire video yet as I'm writing this, but, Sonic has been shown to outrun a black hole while exhausted and only got caught since he ran out of ground. He has been shown to OUTRUN TIME ITSELF, which makes him millions of times faster than the speed of light
You have spoken absolute facts! Sonic is one goddamn digustingly OP character and there's still many people who lowball him to the point it's straight up war crimes
Copy and paste ahh
@@AnnoyedPanther-vv1bg copy paste or not doesn't change the fact that it's the truth
@@wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 I know sonic could solo them in base or super just saying 😁
@@AnnoyedPanther-vv1bg base form is enough honestly Super Sonic is just straight up bullying them 🤣
This makes me feel validated to have Sonic as my all-time favorite hero ever.
I understand your feelings bud Sonic is also my all-time favorite hero since childhood
That makes us three
Four
This is probably the most respectable scale I've seen of Sonic, there were some issues with it, but at least you got his tier down correctly, even if I get him to 1-B through other scaling. It baffles me how there are still people who deny Sonic hitting universal and/or light-speed simply because they can't cope with the fact that some 3 foot talking blue rat thing styles on their favourite characters with negative difficulty.
When you consider just how big fiction is, and how the vast majority of fictional characters do not hit light-speeed or scale to moon level, there really aren't a lot of characters out there that you could throw at Sonic without him finding some way to win. Hell, outside of his own verse, I can't for the life of me think of a single matchup for Sonic that doesn't end in Sonic either killing the other character with his sheer presence alone, or the other character doing the exact same to him. He's a very "he stomps hard or gets stomped hard" sort of character at the end of the day. Sonic characters in general are all sorts of cracked when it comes to powerscaling.
This is another reason why I keep saying that Sonic is Goku's best MU. They're significantly closer in strength than people think.
Yeah your right the boundless scale for Mario means he beats game sonic no diff megabyte was beaten two times by him which is stated to affect our real world itself with it darkness
@@gameuniverse5973bro tried pushing Mario in the convo
Considering how us DB and Sonic fans are always at each other's throat there's no going back because there's always that one person
@@Did_I_ask eh naw
@@gameuniverse5973
my guy. who the fuck is talking about mario
not only are you completely wrong, but you just dragged mario in here when he is COMPLETELY irrelevant
go find a sonic vs mario video to cry on
The amount of people I see try and downplay sonic's scaling by stating LITERAL VIDEO GAME MECHANICS or by saying the god tier feats were unintentional is insane.
hearing the funny blue hedgehog is, at base, is a 12D power being was not something I was expecting, let alone the 22d power being super sonic is
I agree with your underlined point, Sonic can basically fold the big three, but the Infinite and "1000 fold" I think was a bit lost
That line, at least going by the games subtitles, was more so Eggman claiming he wants to pay back Sonic the humiliation he suffered at his hands x1000, and wasn't particularly aimed at Infinites power itself
The video is pretty spot on, just that one moment I think was a bit..........weird
If you read the kanji it's actually very implicative he's saying he's that much stronger
@@MrCraftyScales Then why not flash that up like you did with other examples?
A bit inconsistent with the formatting of the video, and could send the wrong message if that's true
@@lilsoonerfaninmo Because I didn't see a need to as I wasn't literally stating he was a thousand times stronger as it wasn't even relevant to the scale I was just trying to emphasis how much stronger they literally thought he was
And this is just video game sonic man death battle really fumbled the bag on sonic vs mario
Some people out there seriously needs to stop lowballing Sonic so much
I would like to mention something important in terms of comparing Sonic with Bleach characters: Sonic can see and interact with ghosts, as seen on Sonic 3&K, Sonic Adventure 2 and more games. That means that spiritual fighters from Bleach would be visible to him and Sonic might be able to hurt them.
Sonic is a OP character
I didn't know game sonic was this op like damn
He's the real ultimate life form hehe
Man is 5D.
Sonic is that one guy who can be fighting with Goku and Vegeta And not be a burden to the team
@@Howardpower679 nah shadow lived when he sacrificed him self so he took back that statement
He's Undefeatable
Sonic in the game verse is this strong and the big 3 stand no chance. Now if we get into what Archie Sonic is capable of, that would be just adding a hell of alot more power to even just base Sonic alone.
Archie Sonic would one shot 99% Of Anime
@@Comicedits39 "Can he beat Goku tho?? 🤓" Yes. Game Sonic (debatably) can too.
@@_veloxity91the only one i see winning against Archie sonic is xeno goku and his carry ass hax 😂
Archie Sonic is a comic character. Those guys are always ridiculous.
You suckas are like the Dragon Ball fanboys. You're always pulling Archie, and they always pull Xeno Goku.
But then the Saitama fanboys will jump in saying that Saitama solos all of fiction.
Weebs: Nooooo, Big 3 slaughter this blue fodder
Sonic: Haha, homing attack go brrr
Sonic is also a resilient little bastard. Nine times out of ten, when he destroys something, he does so by plowing through it headfirst. This mf is out there shattering steel with his *face* without a care in the world
Before I even start watching, I’d like to mention outside extra measured how fast Sonic was when running from the Hyper-go-on black hole in terminal velocity act 2, and from what I remember they said he was slightly over 4 times faster than light, on top of that, in sonic colors DS Omega, Tails, and Sonic state how Sonic’s speed keeps growing non-stop, and in forces Sonic states to infinite acceleration that he get’s stronger every second (but this is most likely Sonic being sassy), and frontiers is just a whole new ceiling for the blue rat
"I told you I'm not a rat! I'm a hedgehog!"
I mean even if he was being sassy, he got effortlessly beaten by Infinite when they first met and locked away for like a month in one of Eggman's bases and once he was freed. He looked completely fine, didn't seem tired or anything. Sonic even won against a fake Zavok not long after being freed from his cell. When him an Infinite fought again, Sonic beaten him by himself, so there has to be some truth to what he's saying. Maybe not exactly seconds but he does seem to be getting stronger passively.
@@sacredpower7530one thing to note about the beginning of forces is infinite couldn't beat sonic on his own the ONLY time he ever beats sonic was with the assistance of his phantom ruby clones which makes me think that infinite knew full well that if he fought sonic 1 on 1 he would have LOST to sonic so he knew to strategise its a shame infinite became a arrogant and cocky moron afterwards though and stopped using his clones against sonic or even our avatar its annoying how he was just yet another pathetic and arrogant villain because apparently for sonic games before the most recent games at least its just IMPOSSIBLE to not overly arrogant and cocky assholes for villains
@@sacredpower7530 You do know that in their first encounter Infinite had all the odds for him, right? Sonic knew nothing about his abilities, which are pretty strong, he made phantom ruby copies of zavok, metal, shadow and chaos, and tehy all attacked him at once, basically, in their first encounter sonic was almost fully guaranteed to be defeated and that happened
The best part of that chase was that you didn't even have a boost. Sonic was outrunning a black hole without a boost.
finally a sonic feats video with no cap
It’s crazy that we didn’t even mention Super Sonic 2, Hyper Sonic, or Archie Sonic at all…
Edit: If we wanted to stretch it (which we don’t need to, but I just thought of it), we know Sonic recognizes the 4th wall and can interact with it. Technically, we can say Sonic transcends the 4th wall if we throw in that Sonic x Progressive Insurance commercial.
No? Prolly not, but still kinda funny to think about.
He straight up talks to the audience in Sonic Colors and Classic Eggman does the same in Sonic Generations
plus in several games he straight up tells the player how to play the game from time to time if you wanna throw that in there
I absolutely love bleach, but even I know base sonic will whoop ichigo’s ass so bad he will get flashbacks from his mother’s assbeatings.
Complete neg diff and not even mentioning Archie's Sonic once is crazy, and this is with the Big 3 gigawanked to such extremes too.
Glad to see people who recognize how OP Sonic is in games
You did a pretty good job scaling ichigo, no downplay or insane wanks like most people. Not even Archie sonic though 😭 great vid
"So how do you plan on defeatinb the big three?"
"Gotta go fast"
You can actually get Frontiers Base Sonic to Low-High Outer highballed using some old scans and JP translations from Forces. But yeah an average low-midball gets him to High Complex Multi-Hyper
You have some examples?
@DigibrenoX String Theory was one of them OP mentioned, but there’s also Super String Theory, Super Substantial, Infinite’s JP Null Space Statement combined with NiGHTS/Maginaryworld in the cosmology, Conceptual Space Time, Quantum Mechanics and Transfinite Mathematics from the Fourth Dimension Book, etc. I have only a few of the scans but my friend has most of them.
@@Keisezrgswow good point bro
Haha the dedication to power scale sonic is amazing. 😂 you went through the most obscure sonic content just to tell us he strong. I appreciate your hard work. Like u reference the sonic boom to show haha. Love it. Absolutely love it
@@komlat253 aw tysm
Sonic in his base form is FTL. In Sonic Colors he was capable of running in the Event Horizon of a Wisp-charged Black Hole only being outpaced by the expansion of the Singularity.
Sonic in his base form is also so durable he was able to survive within the Singularity of that very same Wisp-charged Black Hole for what seemed to be indefinite since his body wasn't turned to Spaghetti or Tomato Sauce.
On-top of him being able to exist in the vacuum of Space without his blood evaporating and needing to breath.
He also seems immune to Radiation given his time in Space is pretty much very frequent and the Chaos Emerald Energy being known to cause mutations due to prolonged exposure such as evident with the Ancients being turned into Chao which was just by hanging around them while Sonic is constantly tapping into their energy directly without any sort of conduit.
Not only he completely obliterates and annihilates all of their universes, he also has all of the necessary soundtracks, songs and bangers to back it up and do it in style!
Luffy and Naruto are just a way too big gang up. Sonic gets cooked
@@CocoPup69 sonic destroys outervasal threats
@@Hugo-yz1vb and Luffy can just catch bro and mollywhop him
@@CocoPup69surrrrrrre...
@@CocoPup69 I love One Piece, but Sonic is casually FTL in base and is multiple times faster when he actually gets serious.
Not to mention he can tank falling from orbit while unconscious without taking any damage.
There's no shame in your favorite character losing, but there is shame in trying to claim that they'd win without issue when the opponent outclasses everyone that character has fought. Combined.
Sonic is the embodiment of “incalculable”
Mary Sue 🤓"BuT ActAulLY He OCCaSiOnAlly LoSES How Can He Be" what's he's counter to Itachi's Tsukiyomi and being told to off himself is my question 🤔.... yea got resistances for everything has he an just relies on speed see my original point. 😂
@@AL-nv4gk If the embodiment of darkness in his universe tried to mind control him but he couldn't, what makes you think he will?
@@AL-nv4gk Really? Mind control doesn't affect Sonic or Shadow, there have been beings with mind fontrol abilities that are stronger than Itachi by a whole lot, like Black Doom, Dark Gaia or Ifrit, none of them were able to do anything to mind control Sonic, he also has resistance to alteration of reality (as shown in secret rings, he had survived the erasure done by Erazon Djinn before he had even transformed into Darkspine) so there's few things that you can do to actually make him lose, Infinite was really powerful, used a kind of power sonic had never seen and made copies of Sonic's biggest rivals with a strenght equal to the real ones, and they were all agains him, in that moment it was obvious he was gonna lose, since he was in complete disadvantage
@@AL-nv4gkeasy counter to tsukiyomi is wiping the verse's cosmolgy before he uses it.
@@J_E_R_S-t6c most genjustu is also way inferior to mind control.
W vid you helped me grasp how fast sonic really is 🙏
Great video, i know lots of people who would have an issue with this statement but honestly, sonic has always been much much more powerful then we lead to believe
The fact of not bringing up Hyper which I was actually expecting you to do was intersting. But I see why. Hyper would just be like way to OVERKILL
But the crazy thing is he didn't even bring up Archie or hyper that's how u know it was over for them💀
bro barely brought up super 😭
Bro forgot game super sonic post forces or frontiers outscales super Archie sonic but ultra Archie sonic debatable
@@strange_editorhuh
How though
The End is like, completely featless. It only has vague statements about being this all powerful... Thing, that's supposedly above Solaris (who I don't even think is as strong as this video says but that's a different topic) but we never see it do anything besides destroy a planet.
@@uboa8060We just know that The End is strong enough to damage a more powerful Super Sonic.
@@EnigmaRising didn't even back out super 2💀
It’s so fun watching the biggest discussions about sonic being from people who have not played the games or read the comics they use for their dogshit anime fights. Its just so cool to know that the norm for sonic is now just fight anime characters guy
Thank you, all of this without even mentioning Archie Sonic whom I'm not even sure could beat game Sonic at this point.
Archie Sonic only needs to blink and the Big Three are bodied!💀
Why go so far? Games Sonic in base form is already a HUGE overkill
This was a violation
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I love randomly finding a video where someone explains how sonic can hang with/beat big threats and watching people who know 0% about sonic complain and pull extremely wrong or information back from pre 2000s from google 😂. Wait till these guys hear about archie sonic
I don’t think they can handle that much information
I was gonna say wait till they try to figure out which is stronger Archie Sonic(His Ultra form) or Hyper Sonic.
EXACTLY. That's exactly the problem that happens when it comes to Sonic powerscaling. Exclusively-anime fans come in and start yapping about stuff they don't know about. Then they start arguing if you reply. Sick of them.
Archie Sonic is on fraudwatch. Game Sonic has many more elaborated feats and statements that allows him to be much stronger than one would think. Archie Sonic is its own canon with its own feats, but it is not scratching Big Daddy Games Sonic characters. It's not even close. Even if you lowball SUPER hard, Games Sonic is Low Multiversal via scaling from Erazor Djinn, which is stronger than Base Archie's plain ol' Universal+. Games Sonic gets even stronger with literally busting the concept of Death and Destruction (who referred to Solaris as "finite" and how even Giganto being able to use Solaris to clean his shoe and leave Solar-ja Boy at the magic pixel of health (as it was stated the Titans were the strongest foes Sonic has faced before fighting The End).
Also, Ultra Sonic is not stronger than Super Sonic. Ultra Sonic's powers are so lackluster to be anything but a Super Saiyan equivalent to Super Sonic's Super Saiyan Blue (or whatever higher comparison you want to make). Ultra Sonic has atomic manipulation and elemental control while Super Sonic has manipulation over all reality and has been much more shown to be just a stronger form. Archie gets way too much hype, I'll be 100% real. Games Sonic has had Low Multiversal feats ever since the Storybook games, by the way, so that doesn't help Archie's case, either.
@@ZioEndling are you trying to imply game sonic is stronger than archie sonic? Because that's 100% wrong IF so
No copyright law in the universe is going to stop me
Peak video as always
Y'all thx man that means alot from you 🙏
Thanks for always making videos like this they make my day 😁
And some people still think Sonic would lose to Mario...
Smh
Na verdade essas pessoas estão mentindo para si mesmo, até porque Mário nunca venceu ninguém a nível universal, e em seus melhores feitos que estão em paper, quem de fato venceu os “supostos” seres universais foi o próprio Vilão , Counte Black
Fax Mario has some good multiversal level feats but cant get past 4D
@@PedroV444Bro this literally debunks itself, I dont even have to bring the the many multiversal feats, all I have to say to devunk this is that M&L Paper Jam makes then relative, and even if you dotn believe this, I got other proofs
Dang! What a great Sonic scale. This is even better than Aries Scarlet’s- which I definitely would recommend. (He’s got a whole series called Downplay the Hedgehog.) I can tell a lot of time was put into this and I appreciate it. 👍
The one thing I’m surprised he didn’t include was Null Space as It’s an Ephemeral and ever expanding space that has no end or beginning that continues forever and he ran out of it in a few seconds
It didn't seem needed
@@MrCraftyScales kinda because it would put him at irrelevant speeds no distance or time
@@T.L.P50 no lol
@@T.L.P50 Not needed because none of the big three are that fast so there's no reason to do that, seems like overkill.
@@Marukanitel ik but i just appreciate when people put their best feats cause it feels like lowballing like it feels complete to scale them that way
Congrats my brother on the great video and the attention you finally deserve ❤️
Tysm man 🙏
@@MrCraftyScales you’re welcome
Honestly, whould love to see you do Mario and Luigi vs Sephiroth one day.
And lucily we weren't talking about Archie Sonic XD
Pls don't bro is way too OP ☠️
“I think I have figured out who the ultimate life form is, it must be you!”
Sonic: yall can't beat me (why) because im yall daddy son!!!
Goku 😂😂😂
Bruh!😂👍
Wow this really was a Sonic Boom. He opened our hearts. We all lived and learned. He really is a hero named Sonic. It really is His World. He really is the Knight of the Wind. He reaches for the stars. He only needs one more last fist bump AND HE'S HERE 😂
he's undefeatable you could say
best video ive seen in forever, thank you so much for giving our boy the respect he deserves 🔥
Sonic: fuck the big three. It's just big me!
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I had no ideas the big 3 were this strong.
Sonic in his hyper form is and will be untouched. He's the strongest fiction character...
This GOATED individual earned my sub.
Tysm man 🙏, You my friend are also goated
@@MrCraftyScales nah man you're glazing me.
@@Oohsy07 ether way means a lot man
Honestly most people don't remember or talk about this but sonic actually ran on wind once. No not Archie sonic. But game sonic. In windy valley in sonic adventure there are air currents that you need to run on as sonic. The air doesn't carry you I made sure to check, you have to build enough speed to run on the wind.
Good point bro
I used to be a huge sonic fan when I was a kid before I discovered anime. I’m glad sonic is getting some well deserved recognition for his feats and strength compared to the big 3. I just started reading the sonic comics and didn’t realize how absolutely broken sonic is. Got me watching sonic x again as a 24 year old no less😂
I knew the emeralds were powerful on their own.
But this feels like Archie levels of insanity, no no not even Archie.
Bro said "How many zeros will it take to get to one" 😭
Why do I find it funny
So in conclusion, sheer willpower and daily threats of dimensional beings giving sonic the win. I knew he was powerful since he, Shadow and Silver go up against Solaris which is the strongest that transcends time and space. Plus Frontiers is Sonic at his strongest too and he will continue to get strong, he might’ve been stronger with the cyber space stuff he got (still have yet to play that ending)
And this is just Game Sonic soloing them. Great video btw!
Don't forget sonic was able to outrun a black hole for a short amount of time in colors
without any boost, spindash, peel out, wisps, power ups or any of that. just pure running in base form.
If there happens to be any crayon eaters trying to shit on Sonic, look at him dicking down Perfect Chaos in Generations (IN BASE) and come back to me
I remember watching a video 3 years ago where someone was powering scaling Naruto vs Sonic (Sonic won) and so many Naruto fans were pissed but u could tell they knew nothing about sonic
This is without even mentioning Archie Sonic who is just ridiculous. Still, makes you wonder why his arch enemy is a mustache twirling villain with too much time on his hands.
EZ clap for the Blue Blur. If he can solo DB he can take all three of these at once, lol.
Another impressive speed feat is that in Sonic Battle's final battle, it canonically is supposed to take place within the span of 30 seconds, even though the actual battle takes longer than 30 seconds. Sonic is moving even faster than the in-game speed suggests.
I know that sonic is strong but not this STRONG!?!
Crazy right
I feel like too many people forget that Eggman is genuinely really powerful, Sonic is just a total MENACE
This is talking about Sonic going only up to his Super form. Bro didn’t even decide to mention Hyper Sonic or Ultra Sonic cause he knew that Super Sonic alone would be overkill.
Base is enough considering the fact he went toe to toe with multiversal to hyperversal beings in base
The fact that a heavily highballed big 3 still loses to that blue rat is crazy
Sonic is literally described as “The Embodiment of Chaos” he is always getting stronger, every single second he is alive. The longer Sonic lives, the stronger he becomes.
And that’s just the passive improvement Sonic gets over time. When he’s DEEP in the action, Sonic’s abilities skyrocket in efficiency and power. Not to mention, his durability and endurance is actually unbelievable. The hedgehog has died ONCE in the entire series: a surprise back stab attack from Mephiles. Sonic hasn’t even come close to that since then, only tired. Sonic has been tortured, sure, but he’s never been close to death.
I need you to do sonic vs the flash!
Maybe
Damn and this isn't taking in whatever 'Super Sonic 2'. Or the brief power amp Sonic got in Frontiers Final Horizons.
It lacks any concrete scaling other than the obvious performance improvement compared to essentially pushing Super Sonic to the limits.
Game Sonic may truly be well and truly *CRACKED*
I'ma be making a quick vid or short about super sonic 2
Ever since Solaris Sonic has been ridiculously strong
Thank you for this, because the Sonic 3 movie is about to be release in theaters Dec 20, and I had a discussion with some people in a Facebook reel of them saying, how Shadow is the strongest and fastest, even when I was bringing up "Game sonic and Archie", they still disagree saying, how this isn't game sonic or archie. Some agree, some didn't. The Sonic movie could be different from this video topic, but it could be irrelevant if the Sonic 3 movie is done right. Mr Crafty Scales, can you make a Sonic vs Shadow video, or is there one in your channel already?
@@RetroGamerX80 sounds interesting idea to Make
The way I see it is that Shadow is better at fighting but Sonic is faster and because of his protagonist role he has more feats of strength. Sonic x Shadow Generations kinda implies Shadow could have beat Sonic in their race/fight if he used the doom powers but it's unconfirmed.
@@autisonm Hmm....🤔Sonic not being a better fighter? I don't know about that, Sonic is not new to difficult circumstances. He's been battling strong enemies for a long long time and always will get back up and fight harder. I mean there's song's made for sonic, like What I'm made of (Sonic Hero's) and undefeatable from (Sonic Frontier) etc, and I'm not even going to add Archie Sonic. It's safe to say that sonic is one of the, or even the strongest fighter in the sonic universe. It's just who he is as a character. Shadow is fairly new to the scene and he doesn't have too many fights under his belt to kind of justify him being a better fighter then sonic.
@@RetroGamerX80 Shadow was given some kinda training iirc which is why he knows how to use guns and various weapons in Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic is a fast learner however.
I guess you can say “IT DOESNT MATTTER” what the big 3 do because in the end it’s “HIS WORLD”
IT DOESNT MATTER, HOW IT WOULD HAPPEN, HE WOULD NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT.