Who Will Be the 737 MAX's Next Big Customer?
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- Опубликовано: 30 окт 2020
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It’d be an understatement to say that the 737 Max is a polarizing aircraft. On one hand, its suite of technological advancements allow for a substantial decrease in fuel consumption - a boon for both the environment and for airlines. But at the same time, the aircraft’s future has been rightfully called into question after two deadly accidents uncovered serious design flaws.
In the wake of those crashes, Boeing went to great lengths to address safety concerns and assuage the fears of the flying public. With the Max nearly cleared to fly once more, it appears those efforts are about to pay off. But despite this imminent victory, Boeing still faces quite the uphill battle. What was once the company’s fastest selling jet has become complete dead weight, sporting a negative order backlog for 2020. The program desperately needs a vote of confidence from a major airline. And luckily for Boeing, it looks like one long-time customer is ready to step forward and buy some Max’s. Let me explain...
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Maybe I should consider buying a MAX, those 50% discount looks good
They have a lot of planes with no takers sitting around.
Lmao 😂
@@OOpSjm maybe I should consider starting an airline then, and I'll just change the name to 737X or something 😂
The cheapest part of starting an airline is buying aircraft.
@@fensterlips interesting. I thought that is the most expensive part
Coby: *shows WestJet in the thumbnail*
Also Coby: "The most likely customer is Alaska airlines"
I noticed that.
yeah lol
Westjet already have Max aircraft delivered and grounded in Canada...probably the reason for his use of the photo
I wrote something like this and didn’t get noticed :(
They are based in Seattle😂 I live in Seattle, trust me, Boeing is based here
1:30 Boeing no longer truly being "native" to the Seattle [area] is _precisely_ the reason why the 737 debacle happened in the first place.
If nothing else, I believe that the Max debacle has shown that one fleet type can be very dangerous. Having two types may include higher costs, but the operational flexibility and purchasing leverage cannot be ignored.
TBH, they may not move entirely to a MAX fleet, but keep a large portion of it as NGs.
Coby should be a politician, his points are straightforward and make a lot of sense. These videos are high in quality, Good job!
i agree . good job coby .
Actually, politicians never answer questions directly, as this risks alienating half or more of their voter base on a single issue.
Coby is too honest informative knowledgeable and polite to be a politician.
The way how he put forward the topics in his own formulation is brilliant and he really make a sense points
I hope Coby's channel grows immensely. You can see he puts a lot of work in his spoken script, editing and research behind his videos. He deserves to get big.
@@marksteven2716 i fully agree .
Airlines need happy paying customers. The Max isn't that plane.
It certainly is advantageous in terms of fuel consumption - flights which sink into the ground a few minutes after taking off require little fuel!
In my view the decision won’t be anything to do with commonality, reduced purchase price or historic relationships. It will be based on if passengers in sufficient numbers will book to fly on the plane. One more major incident (god forbid) with the max would leave Alaska with a fleet no one will travel on. That, to an executive, is the question.
That would be true if even 50% of the passengers knew it cared what kind of aircraft they'd be flying on; and I assure you, 99% of people don't know what kind of plane they're on not do they care
@@morteparla6926 quite true, though the press wouldn’t be slow to publicise that an airline has an entire fleet of the same aircraft that has experienced a serious safety issue. That is what would affect passengers numbers. It’s true though most passengers couldn’t tell you what type of plane they had just flown on.
Sounds like Chicken Littles. The 737 has been very safe. The Max had the losses with two foreign carriers with less training. It excuses nothing but that didn’t happen here and the Max had been flying for a while. Now re-done and with the additional training it should be one of the safest birds in the air. The multiple aggressive elevator deflections have been excised. It now uses both AoA sensors and pilots are being trained. Nothing in the air has been examined this closely.
@@morteparla6926 Tell that to the DC-10 that huge numbers of passengers refused to fly on and that was before the internet. The Max is dead.
@@Ushio01 the DC-10 is one of the most successful aircraft if it's kind.... I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Besides that _fact_, the issues with the DC-10 causes 53 (or 56) emergencies or crashes, and there were numerous problems with the early DC-10's; the MAX has one sole issue and there has been 2 incidents because of it.
Apples to oranges guy.
I say you bite the bullet and switch to a320’s neos, more potential for expansion, with the a321 xlr set to be released.
Ironically, the 737 Max is now one of the most scrutinized and safest jets out there.
And it only took 346 deaths to get there
@@amaladiguna8873 Pilot error.
@@nunyabidness117 Ok, so whose findings on the two crashes do you wanna talk about first to back that up? The NTSB or FAA?
@@amaladiguna8873
DC-10: Rookie numbers.
No. All the flaws have been well bandaged - but the flaws remain. I will never set foot on a Max.
American Airlines has said it intends it's wide body long range fleet to consist entirely of Boeing 777/787s, and narrow body fleet to consist of 737-800, Max, and Airbus A-319, 320 & 321.
If that happens I’m no longer flying Alaska and will start flying Delta out of Seattle.
Why
@@northwestthrills3453 Because Alaska will replace its Airbus planes and I like A320s and A321s for their better comfort. Plus I still need to convinced that the 737 Max is safe and I wouldn’t fly on one until it can go 3 years without any incidents.
@@joefarah but it did go 3 years without a crash.
I’m so early I could preorder the bible
Lol
They have two choices:
1. Change the name. "Rebrand" the product.
2. Sell it to cargo airlines. The only problem with this is that the fuselage can only carry 12 standard cargo containers and the airplane has two-wheel main landing gear. This latter means that on warm days, there will be a problem with high brake temperatures after landing. The 757 had the same basic fuselage barrel but it had way more power, could carry 14 containers, and had FOUR wheel main trucks. It was a far better airplane and Boeing should have kept it in production and ditched the silly 737.
Given no one in the US had the balls to convict anyone from Boeing and to a lesser extent the FAA for manslaughter I hope Karma has the final word.
Let's be real here my friend I am still not entirely convinced the max has/had any real problems in both cases when the max crashed it was in shitholes (Ethiopia and Indonesia) the max flew thousands of passengers safely in the US, Canada, and Europe. I think the accidents have more to do with maintenance/training practices in those countries than any real design flaw
@dothemathright 1111 Now this is truly a bad take. Have you even looked at the investigations? No pilots were trained on the MCAS because Boeing didn't inform airlines about it. Not to mention the faulty sensors controlling the behavior of the aircraft with NO redundancy. The crew should never have been put in that situation in the first place.
Two crashes in less than two years after entering service is no matter how you put it a terrible track record. The much more technically advanced and innovative 787, not to mention the gigantic A380 have still not recorded any fatalitites, 9 and 13 years after entering service respectively.
@dothemathright 1111 Perhaps I'm misinformed then. But doesn't matter, some training should be mandatory for the new features since they are vital to the plane's ability to maintain flight, which Boeing should have informed them of. The FAA are also to blame here.
STILL that doesn't even address the fact that the faulty sensor that caused the pitching should have had some redundancy. Had the plane been well-designed, the situation wouldn't occur to begin with. To think it is under any circumstances a normal occurance that a plane starts uncontrollably pitching downwards for no reason is just absurd.
You can say what you will that the pilots should have known how to turn off MCAS, but a faulty sensor of such importance shouldn't fail during flight on a regular basis. Twice in two years is much too often, especially for a plane expected to be produced in about 10 times the current quantity.
Max failed because it was given the wrong information. Those two unfortunate crashes happened if the aircraft’s anti-stall system thought it was stalling
@@atent5124 Which is a pretty severe fault, don't you think? A sensor providing incorrect information that runs a significant risk of the plane crashing? Doesn't seem like a good airplane.
I think a factor that could ultimately move Alaska into Airbus (hypothetically) is Airbus' ability to offer 2 products that Boeing cannot. Airbus could fill the whole fleet needs with the A320 line, but also offer the A220 line for Alaska's regional brand Horizon. The issue with Horizon is their Q400's will need to be replaced eventually due to age. Yes, Horizon has the E175 but the A220 could fill those long and thinner routes that a small 737-700 could not. I would like to see a video as to why Alaska could move into Airbus' arms.
The Airbus is a really good airplane but the Max may be an offer that Alaska can't refuse like you said.
Next big costumer?
The scrapyard. It isnt going to fly, atleast not soon.
¿What do we got here?.. The "FLYING COFFIN".
The EasyJet non-stop from London Gatwick to the Pearly Gates of Heaven will be departing shortly.
MAX. Fleet and crew commonality, and quick delivery of a deeply discounted aircraft. But that A320NEO is one sweet bird!
I have my MAX with Amazon prime overnight shipping, Is my 32m² porch big enough?
Not sure why you need Amazon to deliver it, when you can just have the plane flown to you.
@@mirzaahmed6589 not sure it would make it while flying
1/200. I just bought my 737 MAX
I’d go with the max but keep the neo’s for a while
A factor Alaska needs to consider is customer sentiment, in regard to the Max's safety. Do they think the could lose business by being the largest early adopter post re-certification. Surely that has to figure into their thinking. Until the Max proves itself, I for one, would think twice. Thanks for an interesting video, Coby.
This airplane has had so much scrutiny over the last 18 months, it is probably NOW the safest plane ever made.
@@MicrophonicFool Thats what I'm thinking too!
@@dundonrl This theory does have the assumption that all MAX pilots are also re-trained accordingly to the material they didn't get last time about MCAS, etc. I suspect both will happen.
Fooled us with the westjet thumbnail
First need to convince travelers the MAX is safe. I will be waiting about 5 years to fly one. I have 30+ years in aerospace (working with both Boeing and Airbus products) and the MAX scares me. Boeing really screwed this up and not sure they have come completely clean. The FAA was also a willing accomplice.
I CONCUR!
true but thanks to covid, you probably have a higher risk from dying because of the person you are sitting next to, or picking up luggage from a contaminated conveyer. Also in the usa facing financial bankruptcy from the subsequent medial treatment costs.
3 years later, after the blowout incident, this was prescient.
Your videos are just getting better and better! Keep it up, mate 😃
yep having a double fleet costs... but it's the price of continuing the operations when there is, for instance, a major issue on one fleet.
Go for the Max easy to service as well.What would you say about WestJet?
Reputedly British Airways have an order for 200. Let's hope the Max is now safe. Always enjoyed my 737 flights certainly the most used ircraft in my 70 years of flying. Went on the original Comet, Electra, and DC10 which all had issues but then became safe.
I assume that when alaska purchased virgin it was mostly for the routes and gates so it makes sense that they would have a plan to move off airbus over time.
I could see Southwest buying a ton of Max 7's to replace the 700's and offer flights such as DEN-HNL.
Austin • Maui
From the thumbnail, I actually thought that Cody was gonna talk about WestJet, which also has lots of boeing planes. But otherwise great and informative video.
Funnnguy Same, as a Canadian, I know WestJet fairly well. I think WestJet should get a lot of MAX aircraft
Good video Coby!✈✈✈
Great video! One thing: what about the embraers? Will they all be phased out as well or you say that Alaska would be all Boeing because they'll be kept on Horizon Air?
The Embraer are used and operated for Alaska under the SkyWest and Horizon Air name. They will not be phased out as they are new and operate short to mid long flights. Also regarding your all Boeing statement, Alaska operates Airbus aircraft too now including the A320 and A321neo. In a statement Alaska said they loved the A321neo, so i doubt they would get rid of it early.
@@juliejohnson9892 I know that, I was commenting on Coby's speculation about Alaska going all-boeing again - if he thought that they'd phase out e-jets as well, as he thinks the airbuses will come to an end in Alaska. Having the embraers in Horizon Air and Sky West or at Alaska Air itself has practically no difference, as what matters is the whole company itself.
Though I don't fully understand why airlines in U.S. have so many subsidiaries, this is quite uncommon here in South America
Boeing screwed Embraer, Karma is.a Bitch and Boieng is already paying for what it did to it safety standards and how they screwed the contract with Embraer
Been waiting for you Coby new subscriber
Welcome aboard!
R. I. P you in advance Alaskans
Why? Because 2 out of 500,000 flights crashed? The a330 has more crashes than that.
There are good chances that Southswest could order some A220
i hope that's sarcasm....
Meh, I think they're just trying to keep Boeing in line, by "threatening" to go elsewhere for their aircraft. They have over 1,000 737s either in operation, in storage, or on order. Fleet commonality is so important for LCCs that LUV will ride probably the 737 out until the last need retiring, then they'll go for a new aircraft type.
I cannot wait to see the max in the skies again. It's a beautiful plane.
Super cool video great job buddy
Another great video. Good to see you again Coby! ❤️
Great Video, I am curious how many passengers will actually travel on a 737 Max. I was hoping you would someday talk about Regional Airlines. Are they up to the same safety standards as their code sharing partners, such as Delta , AA, and United. Thanks for you informative videos
I love this channel
I would probably challenge Airbus and try to get rid of the Max! They should try the A220 to replace 737/700
I would like to see the A220-500.
Oh Max!
- Agent 99
And Alaska just ordered 13 more MAX 9's and traded in 10 A320's to the leasing company.
Yup
Although Alaska already had 737-max9's on order
In this modern age, I can choose which plane I ride in. I will never fly a MAX. Not out of morbid fear, but out of principle. How that plane got to fly without properly implemented safeguards is unconscionable. At least thru the earlier years of commercial flight, there was phenomenon that wasn't fully understood that led to crashes.
I don't ever have to fly a 737MAX, and I won't.
You may also avoid saabs for that exact reason
One person(you) won’t make a difference anyways so have fun not flying the now safest jet in the market
@@vict0rgalvan oh sure, thanks to multiple crashes they've figured out they were douches. It's also a smaller and cramped 50+ year old design. Out of Boston i get to enjoy JetBlue and their A320s and A220s as well as Delta's big push with A321neos and A220s. It's been easy to avoid 737 dinosaurs...
I thought Ryan air
They already ordered their weird version 737max8-200
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And what happens when customers decide they won’t fly on the max. What if an all Airbus start up airline comes on the scene to fill the gap?
The fundamental problem lies in adopting the turbojet era undercarriage design and forcing the placement of the much larger LEAP engine forward and upwards for ground clearance. The higher pitching moment ensued obviate the need for a flight control software pitch down compensation, which is the crux of the matter. I still don't see the fundamental issue of low undercarriage being resolved, while software compensation has become a critical function for the aircraft.
Historical statistics prove that in a "certain" country, people forget pretty much anything that happened more than 2 years ago. It doesn't matter how big the scandal was, it doesn't really matter. For that reason, I see that the 737max will have quite a bit of problems around the world - except in one country...
Americans are crazy if they think that we will be guinea pigs for Boeing. They slaughtered 346 passengers. We don't want that flying coffin here in Canada.
I would take 321xlr
I would get the max and the neo but il get the neo a little bit more because the maxes safety is not fully known so i will wait and see if its safe or not
Great video. First time here. I am very impressed how respectful everyone is with each other in the comments section. Different from other aviation channels. Colby, you attract a high caliber of viewers. Congrats.
I just flew from Lax to SJD on Alaskas A320 and i just like it way more than comparable 737s.
Just make sure it's the same part of the cabin. I flew on a Southwest 737 ( first row) and on a JetBlue A320 (second row). Both nice stable rides and noise levels sounded the same. Comfortable seating on both. 5 hours on the 737 and 3,hours 30 minutes on the A320.
At Boeing, we design a potentially unstable aircraft, program it to fly itself into the ground, slap it together with shoddy workmanship, rubber stamp it with completely inadequate safety inspection (having fired nearly all our inspectors), ignore pilot training, and pass the savings along to you.
If was executive of Alaska i have tough decision to choose between the twi
Hi Coby! I'm not sure if you already made a video concerning why actually runways aren't flat? They usually are quite bympy, aren't they? I find this topic vey interesting, I guess it'll also content others.
Thank you
Nobody with any intelligence. I will never step on board one. The entire Board of Directors and their entire families MUST be on the restart flight of the 737-Coffin.
#MAXtoetags! .. all passengers (and crew) need to wear one to board, makes identifying the bodies easier .. the luggage gets tagged, why not the passengers?
Bruh almost at 50k let’s go!
737 MAX's biggest customer is the mojave desert aircraft boneyard!!! 😂😂😂
Dream on... ;-)
You are clearly shildish...
Except there’s zero of them there, and won’t be for 25 years....
That's a tough one... Normally I would go with Boeing. However, with the bad press that the MAX has, the risk of what would happen if there is another major incident with the MAX anywhere in the world (even is Boeing was not at fault), and the almost certainty that the next A320 will still be an A320 but the next 737 will be a clean sheet design (meaning that they will need to go to a new anyway, be in in this sprint or the next one, with all the training, maintenance, etc associated costs), makes it a tough decision.
Do you think if Alaska sold a package of flight + cremation + urn this could be a great promotional tactic?
All those 737 Max on the tarmac is waiting for customers to show up. Alaska Airlines can buy out cancelled orders at huge discounts.
Can't sell 737 MAX planes .. no type certification. They can however, sell delivery slots. Sort of the same but no VIN #
Even as someone with a significant preference for the A320 series over the 737, if I were to be wearing my bean-counter hat I would find it difficult to recommend anything other than commonality.
However, I am not a bean-counter, and I would be concerned about the risks of how even a short grounding could affect my operations if my fleet were all the same type, or even with the same engines (I have personal experience as a passenger on the day my scheduled A220 was grounded - fortunately I was one of the first who realised there was an issue, and Swiss re-booked me onto a Lufthansa flight which was just about to board - unlike most of my fellow passengers, I actually arrived at my destination early!)
I would definately be looking at a clause in the purchase contract which passed responsibility for any design defect to Boeing, along with compensation for any losses or additional expenses.
In Case of Alaska, I would definetly hold on to the NEOs a bit longer. The upcoming A321XLR promises some great benefits for airlines and airports with less demand. When Alaska joins Oneworld, the XLR would be great to fly to the Eastcost-Hubs of American (PHL, CLT, JFK) to Anchorage or other popular niche destinations in Alaska, making Travel easier for those coming from Europe. Additionally, the Aircraft could also be sufficient to fly from Anchorage to eastern Asia, opening up potential Markets there. Thus operating a mix of regular A321neo‘s and A321XLR would greatly reduce maintenance, training and operating costs, even if the rest of Alaska Airlines is all Boeing
Happy Halloween
Delta just keeps looking better and better
It's going to be another Alaskan Airlines 261, but it'll be a computer and not maintenance this time.
Nice trolling
To be honest, yes Alaska will purchase more 737max but also they love the A321neo which have a great payload then the 737max and is perfect for the transcon routes. I believe in my opinion Alaska Airlines will announce they will buy 737max but also a small hand full of A321neo as well. For an example DCA (Reagan) Alaska deployed this airport as a 321 only cause of the short runaway the 321neo can takeoff with a fully loaded passengers and cargo then the 737-8. Also passengers enjoy the comfort on the A321neo for the transcon. I believe we will see a mix fleet but definitely a small A321neo fleet in Alaska future.
MAX is not a suite of technological advancements. It is just using engine advancements. As an example, is still uses 80286 based flight computers. 80286 is a microprocessor, which was already out of date when I bought my first 80486 based PC 30 years ago!
"For comparison, Airbus’ A320neo has computers of "similar vintage" - but it has seven of them." I would also point out that Airbus has had numerous instances of automation/sensors going crazy in their full range of aircraft (320/330/380 etc) . They have been luck enough to have the right people in the cockpit during most of these failures, thank God. I offer no excuses for Boeing but I also realize that focusing on Boeing doesn't make the rest of aviation immune.
@@robertanderson4248 Those "vintage computers" are handling fly-by-wire quite well. Boeing is thinking how to add a synthetic sensor to an already overloaded hardware.
Nobody is saying Airbus is free of mistakes, but the video is about Boeing.
They ordered 250 max planes. With the majority being -10
Loved this vid!
For a Boeing builded in Washington of course!
Since MD fused with boeing , Boeing never was has safe has early
Bullshit. 737 crashes due to design flaw = 4. MD-80 = 0. Facts.
Well this is now 2021 and sales are thru the roof ! As the 737 Max is now considered the safest airliner in the sky ! It has been scrutinized for safety more than any airliner in history !
I think they will go with max unless Alaska decides to expand their routes to places that the max doesn’t have the range. Then they may go with a321neo models.
I Will trust boeing and the Faa if the max has no more disasters over the next 5 tears. Trust Must be earned. I’m sure lots OF your viewers Will have no problem boarding the max.
Who else is looking forward to the return of the Max??
I would stick with the Max. And i think all the reasons as to why have already been explained by you
Hey you're here too
Yeah
Good to see you!
@@theskyline1425 you too
Hey, I'm here also. That's okay, right? Remember-- THE 737, SINCE 1967!
@@johnhenry6762 yeah i do
Good to see you John
How about Southwest?
I would go for the Airbus option, given the reliability up until now.
_Grabs popcorn_
Max will be sold below cost which is illegal and exactly why Boeing litigated against Bombardier. Hypocrites.
Airbus can sue if they want.
$25-28 a plane apparently. its different if boeing do it. they have a case! its er selling off backlogged stock. with help from the offsetting of the tax payer ($17bn gift) www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/25/boeing-bailout-coronavirus/
@@mrrolandlawrence , pure speculation at this point, further, your article says loans. Boeing has said they will not take money in return for stock, and they have already declined to do so once.
@@mirzaahmed6589 Before suing there has to be some evidence. I doubt that Alaska or Boeing will ever lay open the true numbers. A part of the discount will be hidden in other activities like free maintenance...
Could you explain if the 737 MAX is now safe to fly on despite the two accidents in 2019? Has the cockpit software problem been corrected?
Yes and yes
It depends on final calculations. Business is business and every company takes into account the purchase cost, operational costs (crew training, maintenance, fuel efficiency and etc.). In the end, airlines will present their final thoughts to both sides, including Airbus and Boeing, on how to secure a deal. But as you said, Boeing is more desperate to revive their B737, so I guess they will meet airline's proposition. And don't forget folks, there is always know European low cost airline who can take B737 half price anytime :)
They already have
As to whether Alaska should go with the MAX or NEO, it all depends on what their short & long term financial goals are. If they want to save money NOW, clearly the MAX would be the better option. However, if they'd rather save money in the long run, the NEO with its better fuel efficiency is the clear choice.
I'm a long time Virgin America and now Alaska Airlines frequent flyer. I was disappointed when Alaska removed Virgin’s in-flight A-320 seating amenities and service. However, Alaska's routes and frequencies along the west coast made up for this loss. Since the pandemic, I've been flying on Alaska's (Skywest) E-175 between SFO/PDX/SNA/LAX. I like the E-175 smaller capacity, seating configuration, and crews. Given the 737-MAX poor safety reputation, I may need to consider another aircraft type or airline for my future bookings
I think the A220 has a very good chance of being picked to replace the A319s and 737-700s. Same with Southwest.
The A220-300, and potentially a future -500, would be good competition for the Max 8 and 9, and A320neo.
Watching this just over 3 years later - days after the blowout incident.
The nest customer? A patch of vacant land near some obscure airport probably. Read into that what you wish.
The way to see the subject is to understand what a duopoly means, there is a balance in the market as it stands in most cases both Airbus and Boeing are milking past end designs with only engine overhauls that do not affect them but the engine manufacturers if Airbus upgraded their production facilities and actually pushed Boeing over the cliff it would force Boeing to scrap the 737 and develop something new and extremely improved over both the 737 and the 320 and 321 and thus force Airbus to spend in RND and develop something better them self’s and thus shooting and hamstringing the 320 and 321 production. As it stand Airbus gained some market share and 320 and 321 will continue to be produced for a long long time
Boeing aircraft are we'll designed and handle air turbulence satisfactorily
Final destination
We'll?
When you have to give away the farm to stay in business should signal desperation.
I wouldn't be surprised that Alaska Airlines buys 70 737 MAX 8's for a song (and have some of them upgraded to ETOPS 180 standards) so the 737 MAX 8 could regularly fly the Anchorage to Honolulu route.
The Boeing 737 Max is now the safest airplane to fly on. It has been tested and checked-out more than any other airplane. Also, Boeing will make sure only the best pilots will fly the 737 Max for a long time. Boeing knows that if a 737 Max crashed anytime soon, Boeing would take a very long term major loss of trust plus a large reduction in Boeing stock price.
I am a huge a huge alaska fan and a huge Boeing fan I like the look of the the alaska seven thirty seven more then the alaska a320
I always thought it was alaskan, not Alaska
Boeing needs to fly executives on the max and televise it in order to restore confidence with the plane/brand
Yes!