FAA Will Not Allow Boeing To Expand 737 MAX Production In Renton
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2024
- Civil aviation authorities and regulators are generally restrained and moderate with their words, but the January 24th statement from the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) left nothing out, telling Boeing and the world that it quote "won't be back to business as usual for Boeing" anytime soon.
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Strong words from the FAA to deflect their own negligence over the years. They got complacent with Boeing and let them perform and sign off their own certifications and quality procedures.
FAA doing quality checking?? they'll need to go through all those manuals and trainings again....
FAA is killing people.
Manslaughter.
Well, no time like today to start 😂
Well said! Mr. AlwaysBlue!
The FAA, Boeing, Spirit AeroSystems, its contractor, and Alaska Airlines all missed the fact that the plugged doors were missing their securing bolts. They were all guilty of negligence. They are all at fault.
This is how the FAA should be treating every company at all times, regardless of track record.
I hope nobody is congratulating the FAA and Boing for finally doing what they were supposed to be doing all along.
_sarcastic clapping to Boeing and the FAA_
And yet management refuses to step down 👎
I wonder what was the first big instance of that happening...? Seems non existent these days whereas it happened in the past.
@@bobcharlotte8724 When company greed replaced integrity.
@@bobcharlotte8724 Government. Since forever. Haven’t balanced their books and the pentagon is still failing audits
Nah they wait it out and if something happens again it’s a win for them. They get “fired” with $10 million severance package and no more heat and people would just forget them
Yea and replace it with another MBA who’ll do and say the exact same thing lol🤣
Boeing is lucky the door plug incident happened when it did. Had the aircraft been at cruising altitude the decompression would have been more explosive and I’ve no doubt there would have been fatalities.
Very lucky the seat next to the plug was empty...
Yes. Just pure luck it wasn’t a total catastrophe with all souls lost.
And even more lucky that the seats beside the door was empty. Boeing should expect civil liability charges for this
They are lucky the plug didn't hit the horizontal stabilizer or the elevator
They're lucky that the plug didn't hit any other part of the plane. It didn't get sucked into the engine. Or hit the tail or wing.
This is unfair! Those extra planes would have given so many managers bonuses.
I agree. Does anyone ever thought about the managers feelings. Usually they're so so proud of their innovations, their products and to be part of that wonderful teamwork. How do you think those "team players from above" must feel now?
Bonuses and financial benefits won't repair the pain the are going through.
Poor guys will have to survive yet another year just off their mere $23m or $2m-$12m base salaries instead. Thoughts & prayers!
thanks for the juvenile comment that adds nothing
The result of toxic culture at Boeing. I guess they are starting to be educated properly
No Yacht this year. No bean counter ever learns lessons having to do with engineering.
I taught that boeing learned its lesson after the 737 max crashes turns out i was wrong
Yes, they learn that crashing two planes will get their CEO fired with only $60million in compensation. I'm sure they try to crash less plane.
Until someone actually go to jail, I doubt Boeing will learn.
This is the story of American businesses - shareholder capitalism instead of industrial capitalism. It's all about cutting corners (costs) to maximize shareholder rent-seeking.
I cannot imagine the headache they would have with the Max 10. The extended landing gear and fuselage would most likely give more problems than solutions.
David Calhoun MUST BE FIRED and that should just be the beginning of house cleaning at Boeing.
It will cost millions to airlines and billions to Boeing. That MAX program can lead Boeing to financial dire straits...
Hmm, I wonder who is to blame here. Boeing did this to themselves. Post 2000 it has been in decline let's be honest.
I expect many law$uit$
best part is, the MAX program despite how poorly its being made is Boeing's best source of profits 😂
@@oadka are you really sure????? Since the 2 crashes, Boeing spent billions for repair and changes ordered by the FAA. Some experts claim the debt has reached 40 billions.....
The FAA should have stepped up the overseeing of Boeing after the two 737Max tragedies, not believing that Boeing would actually improve their self monitoring status....... Boeing's policy is purely cost and corner cutting.... Their complete board of executives should be sacked.... Roger.... Pembrokeshire UK
I wonder that "proudly all Boeing" sticker will be removed from Alaska's fleet.
they'll replace it with "Regretfuly all Boeing"
Alaska also uses Embraers and Bombardiers in their partner regional airlines.
@@GH-oi2jfOnly Embraers, now.
Another frustration to Boeing's plan to expand the production rates. It doesn't matter how many orders you win if you can't deliver them. Airlines will be deeply suspicious of any dates attached to Boeing orders and meanwhile Airbus continues to successfully expand and deliver.
I can't understand how Boring's share price has held up after tens of billions of losses and such trouble getting deliveries up.
Airbus is also backlogged...
I wouldn't worry about temporally expansion halt slowing Boeing's future production. Likely it's just lip service from the FAA showing they took some "action" to enhance production safety. In few months after things blow over, the FAA will probably let Boeing move forward with the expansion. Until then, expansion planning on paper will continue without slowing down.
The only way the FAA can prove they're taking this seriously is if they outright deny Boeing's exemption requests for the -7 and -10 cockpit warning systems.
@@schmal911 It really doesn't make sense for MAX 7 and MAX 10 to have different cockpit warning systems than MAX 8 and MAX 9. I think it's absurd that planes wouldn't have that by now, but in light of the fact that MAX 8 and 9 are already out, I think 7 and 10 have to just be the last without EICAS.
Man why cant they just build the 737 max slowly And carefully. Better to deliver late then to have something much worse.
They are gonna lose lost of customers And shares.If this keeps on happening.
Slow and steady is the way to go in my book sure it'll pass deadlines and announce time periods and such but at least the aircraft is safer when building.
Tbf I think the pressure of competing with Airbus and cutting cost to maximise profits got to them. Airbus has been smashing them in terms of deliveries and orders in 2023. They are trying to keep up with Airbus and ultimately, this created quality control issues with the products they produce. Boeing is quite rotten from top to bottom internally, and if this keeps up, they will lose even more customers. The fact that Airbus is smashing them in 2023 and producing safe and outstanding airplanes consistently with EXCELLENT quality control speaks volumes of the current state of the Boeing Company.
Heck United is contemplating to reevaluate the B737 Max 10 for their future.
Profit. They want profit.
And also the only reason why Airbus is not getting more orders is because of the massive backlog of the Airbus A320neo family:
A320neo family backlog by end of 2023: 7191 units
B737 Max family backlog by end of 2023: 4783 units
*Data from Wikipedia
Airbus is smashing it right now with 2000+ more order backlog
About time! Quality control should be priority 1!
In other news. FAA to fill vacant QA inspection postions of personnel sacked by Boeing in recent years....
It is unbelievable that Boeing do not inspect all the fasteners in the airframe prior to installing the insulation and interior wall lining, ie before the fasteners are no longer visible.
Very easy to miss some there are tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of them.
The biggest issue now in the airline industry is the human factor
Very few incidents are due to failure of equipment. Almost all issues now are due to the human element.
I tighten the nuts and bolts better when I assemble Ikea furniture
@@MinkieWinklewell, Boeing was very quick to blame the pilots after the first Max crash.
And it’s not thousands to be checked. Just those on the door frame. This should be regular procedure.
@@MinkieWinkle Companies half descent that respect their clients apart from QA they have electronic torque wrenches and screwdrivers and know what was fastened and when and with what torque. Very common in the automotive industry
@@neodym5809 he said "all fasteners" not just the doors.
I wouldn't say Boeing has gained the FAA's trust, but rather that the FAA has sided again and again with industry, so that the industry they govern doesn't grow to resent them.
In the 1980's they ran a 2 year study on their own effectiveness after there was pressure from the NTSB for battery operated PSA systems, better structures for in-flight furniture to withstand more g-forces, and better fire-resistant fabric. The study had mostly FAA and industry employees, and they all found the FAA was doing just great.
This tonal shift is big but long term action on FAA's side is what needs to happen.
Good! Boeing needs to fix their act up before releasing more potential issues onto the public!
It is unclear to me if this cap on expansion has implications for the certification of the MAX-7 and MAX-10. Presumably, it will affect the ability to produce them, even if they are certified in the timeframe anticipated by Boeing's customers.
About time 👍👍👍
Maybe time that the moneymen and politicians stop interfering in vital manufacturing progress
The FAA has, after the recent Boeing quality disasters that probably have affected hundreds of aircraft already produced proudly introduced " operation stable door" to prevent future aircraft being produced with equally dreadful and passenger killing levels of incompetence.
American mega corporations in general have put shareholder profits and executive salaries and bonuses above all else, including consumer safety. Besides Boeing, look at our pharmaceutical companies, for profit hospitals and clinics, and health insurance companies.
So true!
If you can't get current qty of planes right, then how the hell can you ramp up and deliver even more 737 MAX CoffinJets?
Way to go!
Great!
And yet the talk show hosts and comedians keep attacking Alaska Airlines for Boeing's fault🤦
I wonder why people always do that! I remember hearing people constantly avoids Lion Air just because they have that JT610 crash
It was both's negligence that caused it
@@yodaas7902-- No, Alaska Airlines didn't do anything wrong.
Too little, they should require that all top management resign
Long overdue!
I can’t believe Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas
That's a while ago already...
This is all on Boeing now.
It's more like "McDonnel Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money".
Look! Even the MD logo is in the front of Boeing (probably one of the requests of the merge).
All American workmanship...
🤔
@@nhozdien5058oh it's true! I had never realised it was actually the McD logo
@@rogerstarkey5390Don’t even start
Why no word from the CEO of the commercial airplane divison on whats going on, Stan Deal is the CEO of the CAD for Boeing
I look forward to certain top leadership being fired/ let go. Gonna guess there won't be any?
It is too early to say.
Highly doubt it, too much money involved
Good
Who would be happy finding that they are seated next to that door plug location..
Meanwhile, the Champaign continues to flow over at Airbus headquarters.
calhoun & board must go, only interested on bonuses and profits.
Changing the board alone will not fix this problem.
After the debacle of the Dreamliner, now the 737, I think theres some serious investigation required into the design process, maybe the only way to get through to Boeing is for all their customers to cancel options and review working with Airbus, they would then get the message that this is not good enough.
is it normal for the engine to be mounted while the plane is moving?
Hope it’s not too late for FAA/Boeing to catch up - they’re really lagging behind Airbus on small single-aisle planes
How are people not fired
It is time the world understands the complicity /slackness Boeing must have had with the FAA, two American entities. The world aviation counted on the FAA to be impartial in its guarantees of aviation security . It seem it left too much leeway to Boeing and this is the result... The MCAS crashes and now this could have been avoided if strict implemantations of contraos and verifications had been maintained on both sides
0:51 plug door on the left had been removed. So someone in Renton forgot to put it back correctly
That is not the mid-cabin exit door.
Loose bolts or bold lose?
Alaska Airlines would have been better served with the A320 . . .
I fly Alaska Airlines regularly. I'm happy with Boeing aircraft, including the MAX. I support this oversight, though.
@@GH-oi2jf Fair enough!
safety is the number one for everyone not stock holder's profit, FAA's action is long ocer due.
The FAA needs to randomly pull different active Boeing planes for thorough examination across the Boeing lineup from airlines. I’m sure there are lots more problems hiding.
The FAA ends up to Right To Work states to make the plane safer and probably those non-union states in the South could do better quality.
Better late than never. They should also monitor the activities of the CEO and board of directors and hold them accountable for all the mistakes and poor outcomes of the Boeing company.
CRIMINALY responsible! The first senior Boeing executive jailed would really increase inspections!
if any of you have ever driven thru Renton, WA you would seriously re think boarding any airplanes made there
737 customers are now screwed even more 😂
Let's go Team Airbus!!!!!
Maybe Boeing could start manufacturing mopeds.
It is not stiff enough. You need to make sure that this is not lip service.
1:33 Meanwhile 737-900ER is happily flying with the same exact issue, with FAA’s approval
No expansion in Renton, so Boeing will step up at Spirit instead?
AT last the FAA is doing its job instead of Boeing inspectors doing FAA JOB
It's a slap in the face.
Looks like the FAA will be hopping out of bed with Boeing!
Months later: Being to resume 737 Max production....
Sorry; the FAA won't stop Boeing. Their authority will be eliminated in Congress.
instead of making game changing innovation, boeing lately been making game changing disasters... luckily no one died this time
You are aware that the B737 MAX is among the safest of aircraft out there due to the high standards placed upon it, no?
@@aycc-nbh7289 are you being sarcastic or serious?
Boeing's going to be on double-secret probation probably for the rest of my lifetime.
The tail wagging the dog.
This plane is so questionable…I wont even fly it in Microsoft Flight Simulator
B737 MAX family? No thanks
Boeing has essentially been allowed to take lives. Luckily for the passengers, that wasn’t the case on that Alaska flight.
And Airbus has been allowed to place lives in similar danger even if they weren’t taken.
They need to ban the plane.
Boeing has 170 flying bombs to repair before adding more....
Boeing should have never rushed to building planes ✈️ Boeing needs to take the time with extra quality checks
Good.
That was brutal
Too little, way too late
I think it’s all too little too late.
The FAA finally had enough of Boeing’s cost-cutting yet unsafe practices
$lap on the wri$t.
Good the FAA really needs to clamp down on Boeing
I wonder how Mentour will spin this
I wonder how Dementor will spin this.
I wonder how 74 gear will spin this
Looks Lyke 737 Max MCAS Wasunt enuff for Bóiñgg, now thay trying to Emulaté the DC -10
😲😲😲😟😰😩😩😩😨😨😨
It is not sufficient that the 737 max production cannot be expanded, but it should be terminated immediately. The core problem has not been solved which makes potential incidents in the near future very likely. The 737max must be redesigned and undergoes the whole quality assurance process once more, from design stage through the operational test before the FAA can release the airworthiness certificate.
I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. What is the core design problem that you just made up. This plane had indeed some troubles but that doesn't mean everyone should make freestyles about aviation engineering just after watching misinformation on social medias.
I find it facinating that the aircraft is still allowed to fly when it's clear that it's not safe to operate
Didn’t they say that they’re grounding the aircraft until they go over every little nook and cranny?
Ok, so what is clearly unsafe about the 737-9?
It is safe to operate, when built according to specification and maintained properly.
@@GH-oi2jf Well said
Boeing is gonna go bankrupt. It’s sad, but unfortunately they brought it on them selves
FAA, ground all Boeings NOW!
Enough of this woke company!
Woke?
... strike two ! I guess Boeing shareholders will know this too.
iT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE TONS OF EXPERIENCE TO JUVENILES WITH JUVI RECORDS AND NO WORK EXPERIENCE.63074
THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED AT THE START OF THE 737-MAX-8 PROBLEMS !! THANKS F.A.A. A ND N.T.S.B !! PLEASE KEEP THIS BOEING STUPIDITY IN CHECK !!!
Boeing has lost my trust. I'll try my best to fly on Airbus aircraft from now on.
Built by union workers no?
Boeing needs to end the 737 MAX.
And replace it with what?
FAA is right
Looking forward to the 737 max supersonic in 2045!
Stop 737 max buy a320neo
The longer this goes on the more difficult it is not to wonder if Boeing is being sabotaged.
It is. By their own management.
How bout no more door plugs 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
It's the FAA's fault,
and they're trying to blame BA.
i love AIRBUS.
FYI the FAA does not have the skills to build or QA airplane manufacturing
Well just sell those planes to Russia, problem solved.
Their production should be halted at all plants until regulators are in place to be there indefinitely not just until the media stops caring!