One of the Most Toxic Debates in One Punch Man | Manga vs Webcomic Garou
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- Webcomic Garou vs Manga Garou
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I've personally never read the Webcomic but I would've loved to see the scene of him psychologically taunting and breaking the S-Class heroes down in the manga. It would've created a nice contrast between him trying to do evil and saving tons of people in the process😂but also actually scaring his opponents and making him a bit less sympathetic and more well rounded as an antagonist
Yeah, webcomic Garou is definitely a well developed character
you need to read the webcomic. Saitama saw through Garou and broke down his ideology.
That's way no one in fan base agreed to have webcomic garou because it can become weak against the people who compare it self and it doesn't make it hype up!
But for dragon Z fan base hype up!
Yeah goes to weak means goes toxic and make it stupid argument!
It's not very realistic! When comes to webcomic but damn it's realistic because y'all using the animators as meat shield to defend the claim!
@@dramsy69yo can you clarify your points, I don’t understand a thing you say
When garou was threatening to kill tareo, he was trying to prove himself wrong, that heroes COULD, in fact, stand up against injustice and cruelty. Garou grew up to believe that a hero didn't exist to protect the vulnerable, but rather support and entertain the majority group (the bully and his friends). When evil natural water is about to kill the heroes, that's the moment where garous morality is truly tested, but he's so far down the rabbit hole that his hesitation prevents him from doing the right thing.
NO he never concerned himself on how wrong was his ideals. Garou started misguided and that was driven as long as he stands...
He threatened the Kid because he wants to prove heroes where(edit: were) shit, a samurai who can't stand-up without his sword, a body builder with no convictions to his title as a hero, fallen heroes that can do nothing but to remain down despite him threatening a life of a civilian.
A hero rose-up, said he was bluffing as there was no kid on the direction he was going to endanger... Saitama is the only hero that can read through Garou... the Garou that doesn't even know what he truly desired was.
@@thefifth4669 I think, at least in that scene, that garou wanted to have faith in humanity and heroes, and wanted the heroes to prove himself wrong by standing up, even if they couldn't fight. he wanted to believe the world was not hopeless and selfish like the shows on his tv, he wanted to believe in a "universal good" (which ended up being saitama), and he didn't want to be a monster anymore, because it hurt him to be so evil, as he had the instinct to be a hero
Garou is right, heroes does not stand against their friends, corruption is everywhere.
Garou is more committed to his ideals in the webcomic the scene where he breaks down and yells at Saitama about being there for the Ugly kid in particular always stood out to me as heartbreaking as it shows that even as a monster his goal was to unite everyone and make the world better for outcasts and taking that away waters his character down. Garou is someone who challenges the ideals of the heroes and society at large but in the manga he is just a cool character like One's version of Vegeta.
Idk, I think the wc version is the one that doesnt care abt Tareo (the kid) and the manga is the one that care for him.
@@windygrass9807Both care about him imo, manga garou just shows it more
He is better written than vegeta dude
@@divyanshbhandari3010 nah Vegeta negs
Vegeta negs@@divyanshbhandari3010
The thing i really wanted from the WC was the ”It’s a hobby” part.
Garou: "You're not hero, you don't make sense!"
Saitama: "So you have an idea of a hero inside you?"
Simple yet layered on how to showcase their battle not just the fruit of their dedications but also breaking each spirits by them trying to expose each other.
"You got to have found some kind of answer when you gained that strength, I won't be satisfied like this" It's really cool line that asked Saitama that nobody ever does in the story and his answer is just being annoyed and say it's a Hobby again. I'm sad it didn't get featured in the Manga the Webcomic subtle storytelling felt much better imo.
Imo the manga should've went down the writing of webcomic garou but with the Monster garou and cosmic fear transformations, definitely would've been better than it is right now.
Fr, the combination of the two would’ve been great. But apparently it was one or the other for some reason.
both served a great role imo. Webcomic intimated readers, while manga Garou captivated us with his gorgeous designs and artwork
I agree with you.
Designs and artwork aren't subservient for storytelling.
Cosmic garou did nothing to the overall story. It served no actual purpose. Shit story telling all around
@@godzefkiel2686 many people agree with you.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p That's definitely true
When Webcomic Garou said "I'm you"
Manga Garou said "ah yes, my anti-webcomic punch, I haven't used since last sunday"
Webcomic Garou was shocked
and the reader asked "would you lose?"
but Garou simply replied "Nah, I'd Win"
No please
Stop
One Cut Brain
Sukuna punch man
No, keep going
Okay my opinion tbh is the manga Garou didnt try to be good. It was just that Murata wanted to show that trying to be black and white can result in the opposite. Almost a “the path to hell is pathed with good intention” but the opposite. He was so dedicated to evil he did not see the good that he wanted to do, because in the end that’s why Garou hated heroes was his want to see them be better.
Garou admired monsters because they just did what they did out of nature. At least that’s the vibe I got. And he thought heroes only did it to be recognized!
In the webcomic, Garou's desire to become "true evil" can actually be traced back to his traumatic childhood. Unlike the other kids, Garou has a soft spot for villains. Because as a kid, he was forced to play as the villain role. He also found villains to be more cool. And lastly Garou is a very empathetic and understanding soul, because he acknowledges why and how a villain turned out that way
In that traumatic childhood, it made Garou realized how hypocritical heroes and society are, and it made Garou absolutely despise the concept of a "hero", because to him, a hero is just a person in a suit that wants fame and attention
When Saitama said "so you did have an ideal image of a hero" it completely shattered Garou's worldview. Because Saitama is none of the things that Garou despise as a hero
It's such a beautifully written story because due to Garou's bad childhood experience, he always had this inner child in him where he refuses to think that no hero is good, and the only solution is to be a villain. But after his fight with Saitama, Garou can finally wake up from his false perception and strive to become a better person. Meanwhile the manga completely dismissed these precious moments and used time travel bs. Such disrespect to the readers and original storytelling
@@zuko1569 can you hate the manga without disrespecting it?
I don't think that manga garou is watered down or less "edgy", it's more of a case of he's inconsistent. Webcomic garou was brutal and was confused about himself. So was manga garou. The difference is that around the end of the MA arc, they started giving him these random overly wholesome moments that just didn't feel like the same garou we'd been seeing. Garou goes from ripping off blue flare's arm early in the manga, to "woohoo time for part time job!!" after the MA arc, and there's nothing he's done to deserve that character development. Like there's nothing wrong with garou coming around and becoming a good, happy person, but in the manga he didn't do anything to have the character development. They just changed him without setting it up first. That's what the webcomic was doing, it was slowly setting thing up for him to change naturally. In the manga they just skipped the setup and turned him into a bad boy to wholesome trope without any real character development.
Fr, I don’t mind that Garou is a good guy now but they messed him up so bad 😭not just appearance wise though, hopefully ONE will cook something up to redeem Garou’s character in the later chapters
In short: the manga did Garou DIRTY by turning him into a Disney villain that immediately turns into a good guy
Manga has no buildup, thus no payoff. Just a bunch of random stuff added on top of another random stuff that was previously added. I dislike how some diehard OPM youtuber fans are fence-sitting on this topic and be like "they're both good don't fight guys". Wish they had more spine and would notice how bad the manga's plot really is
@@zuko1569 the manga isn’t TERRIBLE it’s still enjoyable but even though I still have to read it, the webcomic looks better
@@goatrou_thehuman_monster Sorry dude, but to me it's horrendous
Yes i like the art, it's majestic, even breathtaking sometimes. But no matter how beautiful an art can be, it still won't solve the issue of how bad the writing is
I cant forgive the time travel deus ex machina stuff. And bringing God to the picture was a massive mistake. It was supposed to be Garou's arc, he should be the one to take the spotlight. But since God was shoved into the plot, Garou's arc ultimately felt like it's just another arc that will follow-up to a larger and more serious arc. The manga also removed Garou vs the S-Class. Also a huge mistake because Garou had successfully turned into the "villain" he had always dreamt of. Garou didn't only destroy the S-Class by sheer power, but also pointed out the hypocrisy and double standards from society and hero world
Perfection is many small details done right. Manga didn't deliver those moments... and to make it worse, the manga inserted a lot of plot holes it's too hard to ignore
@@zuko1569the manga is a lot better than the webcomic… the webcomic is just some edgy roastlord that goes around insulting the S-class to death. Garou’s whole thing is meant to be he was bullied and made out to be the villains that he agreed with, so he became the villain for justice against the stuff he went through. Webcomic Garou is just ruined, he’s got no real reasoning to his character, he’s edgy and acts tough then when his ideals get challenged he breaks down and cries revealing his ‘true feelings’
The one complaint I have with the manga Garou is that they removed his final dialogue with Saitama where he goes on a tangent about how the heroes are hypocrites because they give him these noble reasons why they became heroes that end up being completely fraudulent and then asks him why did he become a hero, and Saitama just says "it's a hobby" and leaves him completely speechless.
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When bang tells garo to listen to his heart, it plants a sort of doubt in garo’s soul like deep down garo doesn’t really want to become an evil monster but he’s so far in he just keeps going. In his fight with saitama this doubt keeps growing leading to the original ending to the fight where saitama and garo just talk in a destroyed shed. I like this version of garo since i can relate to that sense of doubt when you know you’re doing something that’s clearly wrong yet going along with it.
Webcomic is also cool and i love the edginess but i gotta go with manga garo. Also cosmic fear is really badass.
Could you help me to understand why you continued to do something when you considered it to be wrong? Not judging, but seeking understanding.
@@brianlittrell797 Sunk Cost Fallacy. It's like you spend all the time, resources, and everyone knows you for something. You build a farm so to say, and do things in a cruel way. But, to get what you wanted you'd need to destroy everything, pay off fines, repair what you did... and then do something entirely different you might not know. At least continuing what you were doing, you know what you're doing.
@@hudhouse99this is like the 8th time ive heard fallacy in a reply and I only got up 2 hours ago what the fuck is this LOL
@@hudhouse99 So it is a desire for safety and survival. The alternatives seem too risky.
@@brianlittrell797 sometimes youre so clouded by anger that you dont really care who or what you hurt as long as something else feels youre pain and usually you end up hurting someone who didnt deserve it and they end up a lot more hurt than you in the first place. As to why i would continue to do something i know is wrong. When youre so far in doing something you think is right but halfway through realise that its wrong youve spent so much time and effort into what youre doing that you try to find any reasoning to keep going. Btw im not a horrible person im just some dumb high school kid lol hope i answerd youre question
Webcomic garou will always be it for me, it’s just a much more compelling characters, right down to the fight of him and saitama. No god or anything, just a personal fight between him and saitama, his inner monologue was just so good. And then his speech, then being beat up by bang, his subtle smile, tareo trying to save him, and then everything ends with the dawn after a long night, all of that was just perfection. Garou after that also kind of goes on a journey of self discovery, working and stuff, like objectively, he’s a much better written character
I like Webcomic Garou because he wants to be a monster but there are limits of what he will do. Like he doesn’t want to kill the kid, it’s that subtleness that I like. Unlike the manga where it flat out showed that he’s doing good without knowing and when he does he doesn’t want to accept the fact that he did good
I still think manga garou is inconsistent. Like, he doesn't kill any human ever, not once does he strike to kill, and he refuses (according to his own morals) to kill a hero for the MA. Yet he just... kills Genos? Webcomic garou doesn't kill, and he is consistent with it. He pretends he's going to kill tareo but he never truly intends to do so - or at least he postpones that decision of being consistent with his words. Even letting the heroes die to a monster is something he's unsure about.
And then manga garou just gets there and kills Genos. idgaf about god's influence, that just seems inconsistent. That is, with his character, not with his ideals.
Manga garou is already half-redeemed before he even fights saitama. idk
When manga Garou acted like a tsundere i cringed so hard bruh i feel your pain
Is that not the point? That god corrupted garou to become the absolute evil that he kept envisioning? Thats not inconsistent, it was at the peak of garou's journey, and only with the influence of god could he reach his goal, otherwise he was just all talk, it was not til saitama broke garous connection to god did he realize that becoming absolute evil was not what he actually wanted. Inconsistent would be like if garou killed some of the heroes he fought, but then refuses to kill any hero for the MA. Again please explain how thats inconsistent? saying you dont care about gods influence is really stupid because that is literally the whole point, god is that absolute evil that can push garou to what he has been trying to become. In the manga, garou also does not kill, at all, not until he gets corrupted by god so I don't see how that is any different from the webcomic.
Thats like saying batman killing two-face at the end of dark knight is inconsistent because batman doesn't kill people, despite completely ignoring the fact that that was the whole point of what the joker was trying to do, to force him to break his rule.
Garou in the manga indicates that God does not control him so he kills by himself, that makes no sense. 😷
"idgaf about gods influence" Bro. That's the whole fucking reason why he did it 😂
Well you obviously didn't read the manga because it was CLEARLY stated multiple times that being infused with gods power makes you lose your humanity and even saitama who was clueless about that says he was acting weird ever since he transformed into cosmic mode.
So that "inconsistency" you point out is actually intentional and part of the canon of the story. You saying "idgaf about god's influence" doesn't make your point any better, you can't just ignore plot devices which were well established and make sense and claim things wich are a consequence of that are "inconsistent" just because you feel like it... I mean, technically you can, it's just that it makes for a very, very stupid argument.
Personally I liked manga Garou right up until the finale of the MA arc where he lost his consistency as a character and his agency as a person. I think if ONE/Murata stuck more closely to the blueprint then yeah, Manga Garou would have been better than Webcomic Garou in my opinion. I also liked none of his monster designs in the Manga.
his dark demonic design was more fitting to his monsterification, as monsters be what they become obsessed with... Garou wan't(edit: want) to be the absolute evil, not a sparkling volcanic rock demon... I was initially happy enough on Garou's transformation after his fight with darkshine where he had fangs and acts like a wolf slowly becoming more monster.... Then suddenly he had no mouth.
Webcomic Garou is what Manga Garou thinks he is
Många Garou is Much better
Know it's late but have to say it, brilliant comment!
accurate lol
Man I really wanted the panel with Saitama saying, "BUT YOU, CAN NEVER DEFEAT ME." I was bummed out at first but understood as it wouldn't have fit after the time travel.
Love your videos man ❤
I liked Garou escaping in thecweb comic more. In that one his dreams were crushed and he was basically suicidal but it was the little boy he saved who brought life back in his eyes and motivated him to live. In the manga Garou wasn't soul crushed so the scene didn't hit as hard.
Finally someone being a real one that pointed this out. Tareo saving Garou was one of the best moments in Garou arc. It was the cherry on top because it's a very emotional scene and it ended on a satisfying cliffhanger. Most importantly Garou had successfully instilled fear in the heroes who dared confronted him
Meanwhile in the manga:
Time travel bs
A bunch of low level heroes kicking Garou
S-Class never fought Garou so there was no intense scene where they contemplate on kiIIing Garou
There was no scene of Bang hitting Garou while feeling sad and disappointed
Whoever was in charge of editing the story of opm manga, they should be fired
@@zuko1569 i wish the s class fight happened before the cosmic fear bit atleast because garou broke them down and pointed out their flaws
I mean that literally happened in the manga
I feel that it is different, I feel that the Garou of the webcomic is more ''realistic'' since the monstrification of this was much more ''darker'' than that of the manga, making a kind of apology for his obsession with his goal. It is felt that his goal was much more important for him than for the Garou of the manga since in the end when he lost against Saitama he was completely empty and it seems that he no longer wants to continue living (although it is also understandable because how each one was defeated was very different)
Now that I realize Garou fulfilled his role in the story much better in the webcomic but this was ruined by Saitama, why? Garou's role in the webcomic is to show the mistakes of the heroes (a role that was somewhat replaced by the association of monsters in the manga) but this role is "ruined" since Saitama was supposed to be the hero let him serve as an example for others but he defeated him in a very brutal way XD
I don't know if One does these things by mistake or intentionally, but his works are usually full of things like that and are very beautiful.
I like having the three storylines, manga web comic and anime, for me is having more inside about the characters
i didnt mind the manga version, but i would have loved to see garou fight the s class but we never got that instead they all died from the radiation.
it wasn't the physical fight that make that scene good but the battle of ideals. Garou exposes the toxicity of heroes. Saitama comes... Garou couldn't comprehend Saitama saying he was not a hero for having such a trivial belief and Saitama proved otherwise.
Saitama: "So you have an idea of a hero inside you?"
and it hits really hard, harder than any punches he gets... as Garou keeps muttering the idea of being the absolute evil he wants to be, only to be punched by that idea what he really was doing.
@@thefifth4669 yea thats the reason the manga version is objectively inferior to the webcomic. The fight was great and all but the ending was lacking
@@jacobsimoneau101the webcomic is objectively worse than the manga..
Read the webcomic of the arc this morn and suddenly got this vid recommended after a while. Not complaining tho
I seriously have no idea what ONE and Murata was thinking while watering down Garou.
Had the same feeling after seeing the phoenix man redraws tbh
It sometimes gets alittle too goofy but its fine I guess
I only have 2 things I would have rather seen his original monster design and the dialogue he had with saitama wish we got that
Everybody talks about the manga ruining garou, but people forget about saitama. The manga ruined saitama as well, the garou vs saitama fight showed a lot of both of their motives and personalities, and saitama basically scolded him with fatherly authority. In the manga it was all about fighting, cool, powerful moves, going in space, the whole clash of way of thinking was lost
Ruining Garou had also obliterated Saitama's character as well
Without Garou's iconic villain speech from the wc, and him pouring out his ideals and his true feelings, Saitama didn't have any room to lecture Garou back.
Instead Saitama got turned into a "im edgy and i need to avenge my faked-death robot friend". So much forced dramatic moments it was cringeworthy
@@di4mgaming115 < (spoken by a 15 yr old)
@@di4mgaming115 The fact that you pointed out about the fights instead of focusing on the storytelling just tells me that it's pointless to try debate. If you can't see the huge gaping problem of a plot hole in the manga, then no one else can show it to you
Did you even read the webcomic? Or maybe you did but you still can't see the problem with the manga because you like the cool fights so much. Manga and webcomic endings were altered beyond recognition. I called it "edgy" because it was a predictable fake out death. Ever heard of a "fake out death" cliche? Or "deus ex machina"? Good art, but riddled with horrible writing
@@di4mgaming115 A fake out death cliche is a plot device to force Saitama to react emotionally. The whole scenario felt forced and cheap because we already knew it's a fake out death. All of that just to push Saitama on the edge so we got to see more cool yet meaningless fights
You never read the webcomic didn't you? The webcomic didn't just have a lecture like how Naruto would use talk-no-jutsu and conveniently change his enemy's hearts. The webcomic had more down to earth, yet powerful and emotional moments. Like:
- Garou beat up and instilled so much fear in the S-Class heroes, they argued to execute Garou
- Bang beat the crap out of Garou, but instead of using martial arts, Bang was hitting Garou with his emotions behind it. Bang felt ashamed, sad, angry and most importantly disappointed in Garou because Garou used his martial arts for evil
- Garou's "villain speech" at the end of the fight with Saitama. Don't look at it on a surface level, the whole conversation between Saitama and Garou has layers and reaons behind them. It's too much info to put here
@@di4mgaming115 That's the obvious problem then. You never read it, you wouldn't understand it. Easy to view the webcomic as more lame when the manga has more flashy action scenes
Both ended so differently. Since you didn't read it you couldn't distinguish the two. Watching a yt video's shallow analysis and comments won't help you see it compared to reading it yourself.
Character developements in the manga was a huge joke. Time travel reversed all the consequences and everyone is alive and happy. Garou immediately getting into rehab was also a huge joke because it's unrealistic and hasty it never felt organic. All of his previous actions were forgotten and never mentioned again. That's not "character developement", it's "plot convenience" and incompetent storytelling. Even a shounen anime like MHA wouldn't do such a stupid writing.
Since Garou in the webcomic never had time travel bs, he's fully aware of his past actions and the pain he inflicted towards other people. He escaped and remain a low profile because he's a fugitive. He's trying his best to redeem himself slowly by getting multiple jobs, only to get fired because some heroes targetted him and caused chaos, but yet he still remains stoic and move on to work in a different place. Now that's a real character developement. It feels natural and real, because all of that was from his own actions.
Do fights need meaning? Bruh 🗿
my big problem is why couldnt he keep his monster armor at the end. i know random but it looked sick man plus i think him not being able to be rid of it and that reminder of everything would be a cool story bit too how he has to live with the monster he has become but still try to do better you know
and also the design is cooler than the cosmic garou, don't get me wrong cosmic garou is cool but the web comic garou with the demon horns is much cooler of course with some adjustments
The manga at a certain point (after the darkshine vs garou part) tried very hard to make you sympathize with Garou, and that is very visible even in the way his design was setup, in which his human eye was always visible under his monster shell, aside from all his unintentional rescues, like the authors always wanted to say "You see??! It's not a real monster don't worry ;)".
In the webcomic it wasn't so obvious that he was wearing a "mask" and you could have doubt it until the end, it made you think that maybe he was really transforming into a monster, that was so cool, because as a reader you were questioned about his true nature and his real intentions, it was like a mistery to solve. Even if some would say that he was obvious that he wasn't a monster because of "garou poor acting" just to cit Saitama, it could still have been that he would have abandoned his humanity at some point.
It seems like the manga suddenly shift his writing to appeal a kid audience rather then an adult one, making everything more light and likable. Most of the dialogues have become stupid and trivial, if not unnecessary and redundant, and fillers started to appear like never before.
Like I said at the beginning, I noticed to see these changes after the darkshine vs garou part... after that I felt like being treated by the authors like a child or a stupid reader, but maybe that is just my impression.
That is my biggest complaint.
You are SPOT ON my dude. The manga got turned from a seinen into a shounen that treats its readers like illiterate powerscaling obsessed fans that need to be spoonfed to understand character depths
It's funny to me how a LOT of attention from OPM had vanished following the Saitama vs Cosmic Garou arc aftermath. It's like you can immediately notice how most "fans" only came for powerscaling and cool art. So disappointing man
very spot on ma dude....
It felt very Disney written... I hate how it turned out to Garou's character.
Garou was a personification of never backing down despite any odds, WC version made a clear battle on how Saitama breaks that not just physically but also mentally/spiritually.
Also there's a lot of lazy writing on scenarios where Garous accidentally saving people, it's very much played out.... Garou saving the kid from death Gatling irresponsible action was enough to showcase that.... it was way more better for Garous development to actually be at the point where he can scar the side of heros he specifically hates, which was portrayed brilliantly on WC and not on Manga as he was working with them(Metal Bat).
What I hate for the most of it was they can integrate the new actions and new power levels but they decided to change the character as well and with the time travel all of the growth of the encounters of that ark was reduced to nothing but emptiness... All I feel was like it was rushed... or perhaps lame on how they set it up.
ONE is just a much better storyteller than Murata. However, Murata is top notch for his art. I dislike Murata for deviating from the webcomic storyline
@@soyunindo Not sure if it's totally Murata's fault... since a company owns OPM manga now, so ONE probably felt pressured to agreed with the crap change of storytelling
The whole picture is just so vague no one can tell what's really happening during opm manga production. One thing for sure is that i blame the company. They probably feel like they need to make OPM more appealing to shounentards (more powerscaling = more good!!!) to increase manga sales and attention. But we now see a rapid decline of storytelling and eventually more fans dislike OPM now
I disagree. Garou was always shown to have humanity and have a bad past. He believed in ultimate evil thinking that would be what is best for the world. What was the webcomic garou's intention anyway? Become ultimate evil for what? To become more edgy? I don't understand his intentions making him a lot less likeable. He doesn't care about people so becoming ultimate evil makes no sense. Who is he helping? Himself? But doesn't he care about the kid?
Webcomic is unoriginal. We have so many webcomic garou's these days and I don't care for them. They aren't likeable. A villain needs to be likeable.
It is like Thanos in the MCU vs Thanos in the comics. The comics thanos is boring! His intentions are boring! Wipe out the universe to please someone? HE has zero care for people. In the MCU he wants to wipe out half the people because he believes that is what is best... and then endgame says nope he is just a bad guy now because this is past thanos.
Garou Webcomic equals Endgame thanos while Manga Garou equals Infinity war thanos.
Webcomic was good but... I hate it when characters are just psychopaths. That's boring unless you make humour out of it. Garou isn't a psychopath but also is and it is confusing in the webcomic. Same with Saitama, he is not very likeable in the web comic. Mashle is what you get if you like psychopaths. They keep the psychopaths alive instead of killing them? Like...why? This guy literally turned people into dolls he should be locked the hell up!
Mashle is not likeable either, none of the characters in Mashle are likeable. If you like unlikable characters that just fluff around then watch mashle. But Garou who has anger about his past and feels like things are unfair and needs ultimate evil is way more interesting to me.
I don’t know where the webcomic is available to read but it used to be on RUclips. Either way; the webcomic and manga started telling different stories.
Manga Garou knew the hero association was fundamentally flawed. Maybe this was better for continuing the plot after his arc.
I feel that manga version was tone down in an effort to make his redemption "believable" and easy to shallow. Often redemption depends on the quality of the writing, not the redemption itself.
However, people miss the whole people of Redemption. The line of think of those deserving of redemption is like only healthly deserves a doctor, not the sick and ill. Redemption is for those undeserving who want to change. Webcomic Gouru redemption would have taken longer and more effort in Gouru journey to maintain his good path and earnings people trust again.
Alot of stories with redemption are with characters who are already on path of good. So it no surprise they when they turn good.
I like to see redemption arc with the most vile characters who change their way and work their way, even when the world against them.
Nah redemption on Manga Garou was rushed and unnatural, he beaten up, cause death threats, severed someone's hand, only to back down in a punch that didn't even exist... toned down was not the term, but Disney writing. Classic enemy to friends generic writing.
WC Garou was redeeming himself more in a natural way, slow but consistent base on the consequences of his action.
@@thefifth4669 well you're completely missing the fact no one in HA except sitch is willing to forgive garou
Web Garou lecture and slap some sense to S class while Manga Garou casually kill all sclass
blood, hair, clothes, everything combined into the monster form of Garou
Ngl, this isn’t even a debate nor is it toxic. The webcomic done it perfectly, and they should have focused on that as narrative direction because the manga was just so disappointing with how they handled Garou, who was my favourite character of all time. That’s the reason I actually quit OPM, because of how the manga handled the Garou fight. So disappointing. And yes, mid.
I feel like One and Murata are saving these kinds of dialogues in the future in the manga... Or I'm just coping that they don't scrap that entirely
@@kiratwo4u They aren't and will never do such thing
Murata has various projects he's working on, he's essentially multi-tasking now
ONE also has a new project he's focused on (which i dont even care and remember its name)
The direction of OPM had changed drastically and for the worse. The huge amount of redraws, retcons, plot holes, and tonal shift proves it. OPM had became into the very thing it parodied. If you noticed, OPM fanbase is gradually becoming smaller. All those cosmic nonsense stuff was just to heighten the hype (while sacrificing consistent storytelling). And when the fight ends, a lot of the powerscaler tards and fake OPM fans just simply leave. That's just how the cookie crumbles
exactly, nailed it bro.
it isn't even a debate any body who has read a bunch of good novels or books can tell that tone adn storytelling of manga is far.. far worse than WC which is lesser in artwork but it proves that eye candy is less than actualy substance always.@@zuko1569
Quite literally proving the point...
@@zuko1569 hey you dare say that when One is currently making THREE amazing series Opm, Versus, Bug ego
thumbnail be like
The most toxic is saying goku is stronger than saitama and saitama stronger than goku,they would be great friends
Also good video and have great day
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Hm, fair and valid points and opinions,
I wonder if Garou will ever get to the same point?
So I haven’t read the web comic but I feel like the beauty behind manga Garou is that One manages to trick the reader into routing for him. Garous motives started off as just him routing for the villain or monster. So ONE and murata trick us into routing for this mangas villain. I also like how as he grows into a monster he becomes more human. When we are first introduced to him he is really evil. He’s almost insane. But as the manga continues and as he grows into becoming a monster he becomes more and more human. The monster form actually is very symbolic. The monster shell only cracks because of silver fang and then half the face shatters after Garou hears silver fang. Then as the fight continues and god intervened Garou has finally achieved his goal of becoming the god level threat he wished to become and thus the humanity that was cracking through is now gone leaving but an empty void. After his fight with Saitama his whole face shatters revealing the human face underneath and that’s when we see him at his lowest point in the series which is losing Tareo who he saw himself in. He wanted to make the world a better place for him and Tareo. Honestly Garou is my favorite character in the series and also just my favorite villain of all time.
thats really insightful, I never thought about that. You're right, its symbolic of his true nature that despite monsterifying, underneath all that monster is a human who wants to save the world. Despite saying he wants to be a monster, and how hes on the side of monsters, he could never fully monsterize and kept his humanity, the most he could do was create a monsterize shell but underneath it all, even with gods influence, he was still human.
I wish they made manga garou a little bit more like ruthless and serious like webcomic garou. The manga made him a bit too goofy and mary sueish imo. Ironic, its the same issue I have with manga saitama.
Manga Garou has much more synapes before he starts monsterizing; while developing his fist, Seeing tareo is causing him to feel more protective, yet it's been a long day for manga Garou. He only awaken after he was smashed by his master who was knocked out when sleeping monster garou was staggered by Bang's punch, Theta brainwave occurs when someone wakes up from sleep. Garou was just waking up and noticed his shell, and he did hear bang's message hidden in his fist. Garou kicks and bolts into the battle, he wants to enact his plan when nothing is in his way.
Garou was attacking Platinum S and the hazardous water creature with the eyes, speed blitzing even by 2-3/100ths of a second while he was previously destroyed some monsters, then after that he noticed Some S-class heroes scattered everywhere around King; then Saitama, Manako and Flashy Flash appeared out of blast's blackhole portal, at that point Garou is confused and not noticing every situation like the reasers know.
he is awaking from his "sleep" many moments passed as Saitama stared into Garou and vice versa via similar pose, Saitama ran past him(which the entire time is huge), Garou thinks of Saitama deeply for reasons, Genos with Saitama comments about Garous Ultra high energy while King talks to Saitama; you can tell that Garou is deeply thinking then few seconds later flashy flashy darts and does a fying kick at Garou which provoked him.
then Platinum S darts in. If any opprotunity Garou will make effort to Perfect his martial prowess.
There will be a point where Monster Garou is out of the Theta brainwave state.
His priorities while his mind is awakening while being influenced by Bang words of "following your heart".
-Prove to the people, citizens of destroying any bias of heroes, protection and what citizens feel, think, and behave about heroes.
-Take out monsters if any are in the way
-Increase his perfection of his martial skill, while protecting Tareo directly, or indirectly.
-Protect himself from lethal injuries
I dont view one as better than the other, they're basically different stories. Apples and oranges.
With the same analogy I say: I hate apples, I personally hate the thought of the texture of it touching my mouth. But it doesn't mean I go argue with people saying that apples are terrible and why should anybody like them. I know that's my personal opinion. You can like apples. Just don't give them to me. I'll literally cringe at the thought.
Nah, manga version was trash after the surface fight started. It was going really well up until garou vs darkshine when garou started transforming, but he ended up looking like edgy RGB spiderman instead. I won't criticize the manga story any more because if you can't tell how much of a tonal shift happened compared to the earlier manga volumes then there's nothing I can do.
The recent chapters are garbage beyond belief
Shounentards when they see cartoonish super evil ninja villain opens his mouth and reveals galaxies inside: OMg So EpiCC!!!11!
@@zuko1569 god calm down
@@tubularenergy379After seeing some of his comments and his hate boner for the manga, I have come to believe he is either a troll or one of those weirdos that like terrible things because it's so edgy and cool.
Some people refuted the dummy's point about why the manga version isn't as bad as he is making out to be and this guy's response is "lol u wrong".
Can't take the clown seriously.
@@zuko1569 woah chill. Just because opm failed the Shounen formula doesn't mean other Shounen are bad cuz of it. It's like saying seinentards whenever the protagonist explains his deep edgy gigachad motivational speech: OWOWOWO SO AMAZING PEAK FICTION FRFR
Respect to both genres.
@@pric3lessl0s3r5 That was just to express my resentment towards the "fake fans" that only came for Cosmic Garou then left to drool over the next cool edgy characters
MHA was fun because they are good at executing their story (most of the time). But OPM failed because unsurprisingly, needlessly changing the genre and tone of the story may not be such a good idea after all
This usually happens in the Anime Version of a Manga.
Webcomic Garou is the original version, you understand his personality and why he does what he does.
While the manga version is a expansion/addition to the Webcomic version. Not being exactly the same.
If you want to fully understand Garou, you should simply read both versions.
As I said, this happens in a lot of Mangas that became Anime.
Im exactly like u, but also admire the more soficicatee Garou as he did some stuff the webone didnt. They have both actualy their right to exist
انني أحب شخصية غارو في الويب كوميك اكثر لكن هذا لا يعني انني أكره المانجا لكن هناك اشياء تمت ازالتها في إصدار المانجا و هذا لم يعجبني مثل قتال غارو ضد ابطال الفئة اس
Yea, I don’t think webcomic garou killed anyone other than monsters, unlike manga garou who also poisoned the entire planet. They are completely different characters at this point, that fit into their respective series. I enjoy them both for different but the same reasons. Nice vid!
wasnt garou influenced by god though
Manga Garou just became an idiot who doesn't realise that his radiation kills everyone.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p wow almost like god manipulated him? hmmm, imagine getting controlled by god and not breaking out of it what an idiot right?
i like the manga more simply because of the art, and also metal bat fighting along side garou is one of my favorite moments from the monster association arc.
Me too!
@@aviyashapiro9006 bro I ride metal bat hard I swear he's near the top of s-class but ppl scale him way too low. They mention that if he's "pumped up" then he's at that level, but they dismiss it as too hard to get him to that point. I think that dint matters and they should always look at him through the lense that he will become pumped up
It is 1:53 chill man
2:15 I personally thought this part made Garou look like an idiot because his point here was really dumb and disengeous. Pig God stuffs his face sure, but he also uses his size and consumption to take care of powerful monsters and pulled his own weight in the fight against the Monster Associaton. Garou claiming all he does is produce shit is just straight yap and just a blatant lie. It honestly just sounded like he had no good comebacks for Pig God at that moment, especially since he's among some of the better S-Class.
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I like both a lot.
Tbh Ive only ever kept up with the manga bc the art made me really enjoy one punch man. (It was my 2nd manga I picked up that wasn’t one piece) but I’m not sure what the big deal is. Both the manga and webcomic are canon no ? I don’t even see what there’s to fight about. Just pick your favorite story.
It came from the expectation that we will get the webcomic loyal adaptation of ONE's idea with Murata's art and considering there were 6 years gap between making the feeling of betrayed expectation just explode
@@karayura10The manga is also written by ONE, it's just the art done by Murata. So what you got in the manga is also ONE's idea.
@@marcossidoruk8033 iirc it's written by Murata but with guidance of ONE, so any addition and change from webcomic is through the discussion with ONE and their editor
@@karayura10 Nope. Many people say that but there is no basis to claim that.
In all editions of the manga, at the very beginning it says: "story by one, art by Murata" and that is pretty much what happens. From interviews we know one does allow Murata some creative freedom over some parts of the story and how its realised since the final drawing is going to be done by him, but all major overarching plot changes are 100% by one or at the very least agreed between the two. Murata acts more like a writing associate/editor if anything, besides the art.
Thumbnail by itself is cap, you just Don't like the fact that garou copied Saitamas raw power
Bruh webcomic Garou is literally better written, doesn't matter if manga Garou is stronger, the webcomic has better dialogue and Garou's ideas and character is more consistent than the manga, his dialogue with the S class heroes as he puts them 1 by 1, his dialogue with Saitama as he breaks Garou physically and mentally, is so perfect and his character never became goofy in the webcomic, they could have at least mixed the whole cosmic fear Garou while following the webcomic but they didn't, could have been the greatest writing in the manga in today's gen if they went with the webcomic and added cosmic Garou
that aint no garou brah
he look like a mini-sized king orochi
The easy solution for the manga is make him more suttle in his good side and make him be the one that can brutalized the heroes and monsters like the wild card and he fights everyone leaving a impact on the shape of the battle field maybe have some mild difficulties but still is dominant one in the battle field until satimia arrives
Also the lines they robbed off and changed into disney written dialogues....
There's no solution anymore dude. The genre has completely changed to yet another generic shounen trope manga. You cant revive a dead body
Garou was ruined and they are too far gone to even bother redraw or try to make the story as good as the original webcomic part. Too late
@@zuko1569 Well let's hope for a miracle in anime... Hopefully, ONE will see the dullness of what Garou's character had become.
@@thefifth4669 I admire the passion but i highly doubt it. OPM anime has always followed the manga, not the webcomic
And ONE has other project to work on. Meaning he's not focused on OPM manga as much anymore. No idea why he would do this, but it is what it is. Let's just abandon this ship before this turns into a sunk cost fallacy situation
Lol, how can you say you have no major complains about how his character arc wrapped up in the manga? They literally asspulled time travel, made him forget everything and then he just turns "good" for literally reason. It's terrible TERRIBLE character writing.
Anime anxiety you almost sound like vocal pineapple
I’ve gotten that before lol
What is a vocal pineapple?
@@brianlittrell797 a youtuber known to do mha videos
@@komodrasteel8019 What are mha videos?
@@brianlittrell797 my hero academia
As one of the few people who actually prefers manga garou to webcomic garou, I could not agree more with your overall take.
Great vid, man.
It wasn’t an alternate version it was the same Garou if Saitama didn’t intervene he’d do it again
It’s reversal of causality
Cool & Bad ass(Cosmic Garou)😎
Brutal & Savage(Webccomic Garou)💀
I just think his new design is goofy af
To be honest it depends on how you look at it and what you liked about both the manga and webcomic version of garou some people will like the webcomic version more and some will like the and its all completely fine because as you said both versions characters fits perfectly to their own respective stories
we hope ending of monster association arc will change
I think what most readers didnt add to the consideration are his fight with Darkshine, also his battle with Orochi in the manga. Those are straight up BADASS moment of Garou for me with some very badass lines..
"All you heroes are shit! And what really grinds my gears is that the shitter you are, the more the public loves you.
I will put my life on the line to crush justice. YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO STOP THIS MONSTER PLAY!" 🔥🔥
garou and saitama is good how they are
I truly dislike what they did with Garou in the manga.
manga garou actually make sense as it wont feel correct or good when he is defeated in web comic and he just kills himself to stop himself that just doesn't make sense at all as he is so much evil he wouldn't do that , but in manga it makes perfect sense as his ideals where much clear just the path was wrong for him, i mean that's what makes a villan good ryt ?
What the hell are you talking about bro you actually just described webcomic garou -_-
we comic elitists are so WEIRD
He definitely acts more like a teenager in the manga
because he is 18
He's a teenager...
Cosmic Fear Mode Garou can not be even touched by the webcomic Garou.
If Bang withstand the radiation WC Garou wouldn't have a slightest problem as well.
What is it with you Shounentards obsession with power scaling?
didnt bang die from the radation after genos was killed@@thefifth4669
garou from manga is stronger but webcomic is better writen
Manga Awakened Garou shits on WC sorry bro
Everything else is below WC yea
I don't relate to either of them, but I still fully enjoy them.
Imo the manga is sooooooo much better
I do love manga garou but webcomic garou is better
Dont you guys feel like garou was basicaply a anti hero
S Class vs Garou wouldn’t have worked in the manga
Man we can't deny that Garou gave us the best fights and scenes in the manga.
Garou stomp the S class in webcomic was peak,sad to see manga changed that.
i didnt see this issue when i first read the manga but now you mention it its easily fixed - you know when saita punches garou and ends things? and how saitama fused with his past self? they could add to that bit in the anime and makes it that the punch transferred some or all of garous memories to current garou which makes sense why would he stop being evil but yeah its not a perfect fix - also im so glad murata didnt go the path of that deleted chapter where saitama wanted to use talk no jutsu on the table
talk no jutsu on the table was never in the original WC... Garou accidentally saving people from disasters? that's lazy plot that doesn't exist on WC story. It was not Murata and ONE that drives the disney writing of the manga, it was the fandom(who only cares about power scaling).
They bash the WC on how easily Saitama defeated Garou... so ONE decided to change the fights and unfortunately massacred the characters as well.
I think the only part I like better about Garou in the webcomic
Is his dialogue with Saitama and him still not resolving things with bang
In the manga the resolution with Bang was too quick
I think that's why One changed it, and it's for good reason..
Garou will come back into the series, obviously..
One saw that he made Garou too much of a villain in the webcomic and somehow right at the end, after his armor got destroyed, had some remorse...
That's not really that good of a decision, writing-wise..
Going from villain to hero is not acceptable in a very short period of time..Doesn't feel natural.
Anti-hero to hero fits much better..
And that panel with Saitama saying " you will never defeat me" happened in the manga..The grit of it at least, when Saitama said he'd much rather destroy the world than doing X....Don't remember what he said exactly.
Edit: For sure One changed the story with Garous comments about the S class heroes for 2 reasons..
1) He gave some more characterization to other characters..
2) Garou sounded like a spoiled child when yelling at each individual heroes calling out their "weaknesess".....
My Opinion about Garou in One Punch Man
There, fixed your title
Banana soup
Finally somebody telling the truth
bro nah webcomic better
webcomic is dog water its so bad infact that one punch man would be nonexistent if the manga didn't exist
The manga literally existed because of the webcomic, how come you get this conclusion
Webcomic Garou is dark and griddy
Webcomic is better in writing and philosophical debate (what being a hero truly is about)
Manga is better in fight choreography and stunning artwork
In terms of writing, ofc Garou's character writing is better in webcomic. In terms of design however, manga slams.
End of debate.
Nope, in term of character and enjoyment Manga Garou easily
@@koong3097Lmao what character? Loool. Bro has literally sandpaper personality. No depth whatsoever
@@GenUrobutcher Why are you so obsessed with writing? Garou in the Manga is much more human like and much more enjoyable also cool as shit
@@koong3097 AMR agency Garou had as a character has been wiped off, just being controlled by God. Whereas in Webcomic, he literally defied God and developed the God-Slayer fist. In Manga he is just a minion. Looking "Cool" doesn't change that.
@@koong3097 more human? more childish was the term....
Part of being human was him being misguided, it was consistent in the webcomic. Manga has a well written character? Dude the humanized Garou you talking about was the one who threatened lives, and severed someone's arms.
Character? Garou was a character made to be a personification of never backing down despite any odds, and what happens in manga?
opOODooO! Guess I was punch by a 0 punch I didn't even know where it came from, I was being beaten up by people with tank tops even though I have withstood powerful blasts from a dragon monsters and redirecting bullets was child play, oPoOdOooO! I will reintegrate to society 'cuz I saved them from disasters when I am unconscious...
oPoOdoOOO! Guess I'll go back to the dojo where I used to traumatized and beat everyone up.
Character development at finest.
I think Garou’s attitude in the manga fits the story overall
He’s supposed to be a human trying to be a monster
This shows that he can never truly be a monster
But man that Dialogue with Saitama in the webcomic is 11/10
Garou never killed anyone in the webcomic. Saitama saw through him and told him that he always wanted to be a hero but took the easier path
@@Silrak50 yeah
@@Silrak50 But he injured most of S-class heroes when they couldn't stand against him.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p They didn't die tho unlike cosmic Garou who literally killed them with radiation
@@Silrak50 Which is inconsistent with his already established character.
Like manga Garou more, he's one of my fav antagonist and character
I never understood what Garou was trying to achieve like his entire goal is contradicting to his nature .. i think he was bipolar or something (Garou from the Manga)
A lot of people don't realize that Garou was actually the character that made the webcomic famous. It fleshed it out way more as a story. Only problem with Garou in terms of how he fits in the OPM story and universe is he is basically only that one arc. His character is a flash in the pan so to speak, what else could you possibly do with him after his story as a character goes full circle? Might be possible to bring him back later on in the manga, but he'd have to be somewhat of a side character anti hero...otherwise he'd just take over the story
Webcomic better, all of it
Manga Garou is just 10x better than edgelord webcomic Garou let’s be honest. He wasn’t fighting for anything really, he just roasted a few heroes and beat them up to prove their ideals to save people are wrong, and threatening to kill a kid, just for him to randomly decide that his whole purpose the entire time was wrong and have an edgy breakdown lol. Manga Garou at least had a twisted sense of justice, his ideals against the heroes, and when he won and became a ‘true monster’ a danger to everyone, and saw he had hurt an innocent he cared about like Tareo, then he realised he wasn’t evil like he believed in as a kid, but that he was genuinely hurting people that didn’t deserve it
His manga ending is bs i dont like it
Facts