A group of high lord know as Hexarchy is trying to rebel against guillaman when he became the regent of terra while the custodes allying with him. The minotaur sides with the lords but they arrived at terra too late, guillaman already killed the rebellion lords and end the Hexarchy Rebellion.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvusThe High Lords had grown fat on power. Self serving above all else. The return of a son of The Emperor threatens that power, especially if that son is Roboute Guilliman who is incorruptible and expects leaders to act in the interests of the Imperium.
If theres anything the War for Badab taught me... the true greatest opponent in the Imperium is its administration... That and throwing a sun is a valid strategy in 40k siege warfare.
@@TS-jm7jm It was the Firehawk's chapter with the "Mechanicus's help" Using their chapters own space fortress to slingshot a piece of a sun at a wall of Space fortresses to break a siege during the final hours of the War for Badab.
@@gruntmasterbroadcast wut, how did they bribe the mechanicus to pull out the dark age tech needed to pull off nonsense like that, because thats a DAoT feat
@@TS-jm7jm Long story short is the Astral Claws really pissed off the Mechanicus, as for how I am not entirely sure but it is easily the best Parry this ya filthy heretic moment I have ever seen...
@@gruntmasterbroadcast A certain Chapter Master didn't pay his geneseed tax for a LONG time, on top of that he was using black-market/suspicious sourced geneseed to pull multiple fast one, thus the Imperial IRS was like: chowabungga it is!
I think it is meant more by its traditional meaning, that anything, and anyone that is strange and or unknown is something to fear and hate. Basically they fight on the same battlefield alongside a, to them, unknown guard regiment, they will likely exterminate them alongside the known enemy, just to be sure.
@@MrEmioskyou overlook tho thats the imperiums whole idea,the Minotaur chapter specifically is even higher ends of their xenophobia in a way you wouldn't see for others of the imperium and i say this because you gotta keep in mind there have been certain scenarios like when the beast was around that made those within the imperiums ranks join forces with those that are xenos like the eldar. Point is the minotaurs wouldnt even do that much if they were xenos or worthy foes,they dont work well with others unlike those of ultra marines just to give an example as they have worked with eldar before even have shipped robute guirlyman with yvraine who was a high ranked aeldari 😂 so if you want to say traditional go ahead but you overlooking for those of the imperium the traditional sense wouldve been to not trust xenos period mind you its something that has been done albeit very rarely. Edit:also minotaurs were known for not caring even about the civilian life that was in the midst of battle or those fortifications that you would see orders to keep in tact while wiping out the heretic forces,this alone goes to show they dont care about the lessers they want a worthy foe overall
The funny thing was it wasn’t just a Custodian, *IT WAS A SHIELD-CAPTAIN* bro just did the equivalent of making a Custodian Company Captain question if he could beat him in a 1v1.
@@mapleflag6518it makes sense because Molochs war gear is even a step or two above the Custodes let alone the fact the Minotaurs chapter specializes in fighting other space marines. It’s safe to say it’s within the realm of possibility.
People overhype that way too much. He might be one of the few space Marines that doesn't instantly die when facing an eye of the emperor. But he is still absolutely going to die against any armored custodian. Anything saying otherwise might as well be used as toilet paper. People who think he could take on a custodian. Are the people who think incorrectly? That tyboro's the red wake had to have dreadnought plate, put on his terminator armor. There is nothing saying that anyone who repeats it is at best. Just repeating it from someone else. Or more realistically, they are just lying.
@@Rurik_Luci it's not that we think he could take the custodian on, it's the custodian himself that doubted he could win and openly said so, the fact that he made a custodian doubt himself is something to respect
I absolutely do love the Minotaurs, they need so much of their own lore and video. Plus a model of their chapter master would be so dope. It also does make sense that they are descended from Perturabo, as seeing the world he landed on was named Olympia and minotaurs are in Greek legends and their armor resembles a lot from a Hoplite.
@@Micmag- except the gap is bigger Each custodes is handcrafted A star systems worth of resources (only the armor is worth a PLANETS tithe for one year) Their power and skill at EVERYTHING is insane They are primarchs without the warp stuff and the god maker gland
@@mariuscatalin5982 And yet Graham McNeil thinks that an unarmored World Eater can literally punch through a Custode's chest armor and yank out his spine. 🙄🙄
Considering how Custodes when they grow too old or weak leave the Imperial palace out into the galaxy to serve the Imperium in other ways. That is not at all far fetched and would make the most sense due to how great a fighter he is. The other theory is, it is implied that the armour of the Chapter Master could be sentient and holds all of the fighting capability and the fleshy thing inside is just a vessel that gets replaced. Although the theory of him being a retired Custodes does feel less crazy than sentient armour.
There's no way a custodes would take orders from the highlords, they're loyal guards of emperor, even if the retire they'll serve as spy. The theory of asterion moloc as a former custodian is BS.
@@CorpseStarchEnjoyer so they’d refuse an order from their captain general? He’s also a high lord. And as a retired custodian he is free to act as he chooses. If he chooses to serve as head of a chapter that loves to fight traitor marines he is more than allowed to.
Sadly they rarely second members to the Deathwatch, instead opting to move and operate as a whole chapter. Imagine a thousand minotaurs coming crashing down on your defenses, wielding arms and armour from the earliest days of the imperium like cataphractii terminators, contemptor dreadnoughts, Land Raider Achilles and Glaive super heavy tanks. If you do a Deathwatch minotaur, go heavy weapons, Terminator (cataphractii pattern) or techmarine; very few take the long watch and fewer still were normal marines. Good hunting.
@@rainforcer1 It makes good amount of sense for them to be iron warrior descendants. I just really like the idea of loyalist world eaters. Them being extremely aggresive, melee oriented, leeroy jenkins tactics, attack dogs (warhounds) of lords of terra with a bit of chaosy history (first minotaur chapter) makes me believe that. Plus their hard on for fighting corrupted marines might be caused by insecturity due to their own chaos-y history.
Have you heard of the Storm Wardens, then? A melee- and armored warfare oriented chapter of Spess Scottsmen, who are totally, absolutely *not* have pre-Heresy World Eaters colours, doctrine and honour duels.
I prefer the Iron Warrior angle but it would also be cool if they were a chimeric chapter of Iron Warrior/World Eater gene seed. It would make sense The the savage aggression of the World Eaters honed into a sharp point by the brutal pragmatic, SPITEFUL efficiency of the Iron Warriors. Perfect attack dogs, vicious but always follow every order without complaint
Valerian is a "custodes" that probably got his position through bed, would explain that he doubts about his chances even against chaos cultists and other random hobos lol
They are also theorized to be the High Lords of Terra's own private space marine chapter, specifically for killing other Astartes, which would make their very existence illegal under Imperial Law and that the Chaper Master, Asterion Moloch, is actually a Custodes
@@romancenturion1086 The first is strongly implied. The second part I don`t believe or remember, since before the return of Guiliman no Custodes had ever left the Imperial Palace.
@@marducms Custodes left the Palace all the time, just never in large numbers. Solar Wardens went on inspection tours of Sol's outer defences, Shadow Wardens went on missions in the wider Imperium to track down artefacts or entities that may have escaped the Dark Cells, strike teams of Custodes went on missions to deal with serious threats before they could reach Terra and of course there are The Eyes of The Emperor, who are retired Custodes who act as intelligence officers, building spy networks across the galaxy.
@@Cantgetitright-e4j well the points in favor are these though still.just a theory: 1. The retired custodes.dont serve as regular custodes(see eyes of the emperor). 2. The highlords were what the emperor intended as human ruling sistem(see lex imperialis). 3.the emperor doesnt speak any words anymore. 4. It would make their chapter incorruptible. 5. Valerian.comments, the spear, the fighting stance, the hatred of astartes, the size, the drip.
Fleet based, almost always present with the entire chapter, taking every opportunity to smash renegade chapters, with a glut of resources at their disposal despite a murky history. Definitely not the fist of the High Lords.
it's been hinted on multiple occasions that the minotaurs are the surviving thunder warriors after having gained access to warhound gene seed to stabilize genetic instabilities.
That's what I believe in my Head canon. After the outcast dead Arik Taranis used the Astartes Gene seed to make his own chimeric chapter. That's why they fuck up Astartes so easily. Moloc is half thunder warrior half war hound
@@loganpickells8305 Probably the rest. But for Asterion would be cool if he is something else due his effectiveness. War Hounds were really effective down to a scary degree that they do their job so well and without casualties, not even colaterals (something it went to the drain when Angron make them become the World Eaters and kill most of them). Some also say they must be a chimeric like the Carcharadons (who were the result of mixing Corvus' geneseed with Conrad's geneseed), but in this case "Wardogs/World Eaters with Ironwarriors". That will explain they "conditioned loyalty".
"What chapter do you belong to?" "We are well known for our unfettered violence and destruction" "Do you have the slightest how little that narrows it down?"
I remember the Minotaurs geneseed being called "chimeric" in one sourcebook. Since they're basically just attack dogs for the High Lords of terra, it seems that their personality is less because of their geneseed and more because of their loyalties.
Chimeric could also explain their personalities. Imagine the mix of Iron Warrior and World Eater gene seed. Like you said, perfect attack dogs: violent but logical berserkers who never complain about orders. Could you not describe the Minotaurs as the savage aggression of the World Eaters tempered by the brutal pragmatic spiteful efficiency of the Iron Warriors?
@@BrianHall33 Honestly, it make sense, since the 1st batch was suppose to be use of World Eaters, but they were unstable. Then the 2nd was suppose to be someone else, and they claim to be "from Dorn" when they act more like Iron Warriors. So their ruttlessness looks like more like World Eaters, their ruthless effectiveness looks more when World eaters use to be Warhounds, and their pragmatism and brutal efficiency and pride comes from the Iron Warriors.
To be fair they were also the ones who realized that the Lamenters were in fact not really traitor, as they refused to kill any Minotaurs, and because of that spared them. I believe they even vouched for the Lamenters to the High Lords.
I personally speculate that Minotaurs are either Imperial Fists or of World Eaters descent. The former as a Munitorum attempt at recreating the effectiveness of the Black Templars but obedient. The latter due to their extreme violent tendencies which were still remarked by other legions even before Angron came along.
"Allied" it's their literal job to defend the high lords, and they were not made aware they were being fighting for traitors. Once they were told, they immediately left.
I’ve seen a theory that molock is actually a custodes. Unlikely but a more likely one is that molock has died many times and every time a new master is picked, he is given molocks armor and personality.
I personally like the idea that they're Loyalist Iron Warriors. After all, The Heresy was not perfectly clean cut, not every legion followed their primarch perfectly. So the administratum deleting their lineage due to their usefulness makes sense.
Well, i mean the Minotaurs are known to often work directly for the High Lords of Terra. Likely they have no regrets so long as they get what they want, and they'll go anywhere and fight anything. This came back to bite them in the ass after they picked in the Lamenters. The Minotaurs were forced to return every prisoner and bit of tech they took form the Lamenters or face total Chapter annihilation because of how badly they bullied others for no reason.
These guys are both the Spartans of the Imperium but also seen as the High Lords of Terra's personal attack dogs. Another side just sees them as Blood Ravens but just complete assholes. Bloos Ravens would be nice enough to take your shit when you're not looking Minotaurs would straight up just mug you alongside a unjustified beating
The minotaurs are just The high lords of Terra, looking back at Leman Russ and the space wolves being the emperor's executioners and thinking "that's cool, I want some of that but worse." But they didn't even order them off of wish that shit was off of temu.
In my head cannon this chapter is in the high lords of Terra's deep pockets and are used as essentially secret police or a sort of enforcer group for other space marine chapters.
People keep saying the Custodes felt he doubted he could defeat Moloch. No, he wasn't doubtful, he was UNCERTAIN that he could defeat him. Not the same thing.
They were misled into fighting for traitorous high lords. They were very likely specifically created by the High Lords to defend them because they are who big E intended to rule the Imperium. Papa Smurf is now technically part of the council of high lords, so the situation is not likely to repeat itself. It's strongly implied once the Minos were made aware they were fighting for traitors, they stopped fighting and withdrew. They are just as loyal to Big E as papa smurf is. They just have a different function than he does.
It would be devastatingly brutal. A duel between The chapters master of each would be massive in size. Honestly. I’d say the minatours would win. But the carcharodons would fight to the last man. Lots of blood will be shed.
It could go either way. Carchars are more specialized in hit and run tactics, while minos prefer protracted engagements or siege warfare. If the minos allow the carchars to fight on their terms then the carchars will win. If the minos hunker down, or lure the carchars into enough counter ambushes for instance by feigning weakness which is what carchars wait to see before committing their full strength, then the mino's take this. Furthermore the longer the conflict goes on the worse off the carchars will be because even though the carchars take good care of their equipment and ships to a meticulous degree, ensuring self-sufficience, the minotaurs are unmatched in the quality and relative quantity of their armaments. What's more, Minotaurs have an unknown means of quickly replenishing their numbers faster than any other chapter, which puts the carchars in a bad spot because they have to rely on negotiations with fickle renegade chapters to help replenish their ranks. When it comes to Tyberos vs Asterion.... hell if I know. Tyber takes speed and size, but Asterion likely has experience, skill, a possible slight edge in equipment quality, and also durability, having literally come back from the dead stronger each time. For all of Tyber's speed, I question whether he'd be faster than a named custodes shield captain who legit had no idea if he could beat Moloc. But i could be wrong.
It tends to be either they end up doing some acts that are a bit to close to chaos worship or are to happy with extermamatis that or they dont pay there taxes
Renegade chapters aren't loyal to the emperor they're chapters that have betrayed the imperium but don't work for chaos like most of the night Lords warbands
you know what? I think that the Imperium is just Rome if it never fell. I mean, with all of the names, even how some of the guardsmen and Space Marines look, it strengthens that. I know you're talking about a Space Marine chapter, but good God, it's blatantly obvious.
Cant't fathom why your even here, literally every faction except nids have some kind of sub faction... 😂😂😂, by your Statement your either a nid Fan or just simply hate everything.
@@Chronesys and? They may have more, so what? The point is all the factions except nids have sub factions. Get of your high horse. So the "jest" is on you n Shows you know nothing or are too dumb to understand factions and subfactions. Thx for Wastin my time with an idiot like you.
Wouldn't this chapter be a perfect measure against Tyranids? They would be constantly trying to gain force against an enemy who can constantly upgrade himself
If the High Lords ever bothered to send them against the Tyranids, yea. They'd probably do great against them. But that will never happen. Also, technically the minos have fought and won against Tyranids already in the form of genestealer cults.
Minotaurs pre-retcons: Probable World Eaters geneseed. Minotaurs post-retcons: Probably not the same Minotaurs. Maybe Iron Warriors. May be even chimeric geneseed that has both Iron Warriors and World Eaters geneseeds.
My favorite chapter. You forgot to mention they are given more gear and war machines of the best quality than any other chapter due to basically being the personal SM chapter of the High Lords. No chapter is better equipped than them. Not even founding chapters. Which may be because they secretly are modified loyalist Iron Warriors. You also left out that they literally steal stuff from other chapters after beating the crums out of them. So not only are they well-equipped, they always have spares. Lastly, you left out that not only do they always deploy their entire chapter on their missions, but also that they somehow replenish their numbers faster than any other chapter, the process that allows them to do so possibly being what causes them to be so hostile towards other chapters, and disrespectful in general.
They would be more badass if they actually went out a hunted chaos space marines, instead of just being the high lords attack dogs. I mean the whole lore of them wanting to test themselves against the toughest opponents, doesnt make sense this way.
Not a theory. It's 100% confirmed that tgwy are Iron Warriors. The Creator of the Minotours made a facebook post confirming that they are indeed the 4th legion. Source: Valrak.
Technically valrak isn't their creator as much as their writer. He states in the post you refer to that he took prompts from someone else and based on that, he believes they are iron warriors. Which does not mean they are JUST iron warriors. They may in fact have a custom gene seed that uses IW's as a base.
Or they're just giant assholes. Also the fact they would challenge a custodes who defend the emperor says something about how BIG of an issue that entails for loyalty
@@NinthRomancea fleet of Black Templars attacked the Custodes who was delivering them their new primaris marines. It did not end well foe either the Templars, Primaris Templars, or attending Custodes
Mino's are basically trained to see the High Lords as big E's stand ins. Not the Custodes. Which if you think about it, is fair because Big E intended the council to take his place. Mino sees a custodes attacking the council, then he assumes the custodes turned traitor, not the High Lords. Their loyalty is beyond reproach. The problem is the structure of government.
They even dared to face Custodes even though it didn't end well
A group of high lord know as Hexarchy is trying to rebel against guillaman when he became the regent of terra while the custodes allying with him. The minotaur sides with the lords but they arrived at terra too late, guillaman already killed the rebellion lords and end the Hexarchy Rebellion.
@@rainforcer1. They really tried to protect their suger daddies lol
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus they failed, lost a sponsor and now have to result to scavenging equipment and armor from dead marine on battlefield.
@@rainforcer1 why they though supporting the high lords over a son of big e is beyond me
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvusThe High Lords had grown fat on power. Self serving above all else.
The return of a son of The Emperor threatens that power, especially if that son is Roboute Guilliman who is incorruptible and expects leaders to act in the interests of the Imperium.
If theres anything the War for Badab taught me... the true greatest opponent in the Imperium is its administration... That and throwing a sun is a valid strategy in 40k siege warfare.
wait, a sun was thrown, when ,elaborate, it was necrons wasnt it?
@@TS-jm7jm It was the Firehawk's chapter with the "Mechanicus's help" Using their chapters own space fortress to slingshot a piece of a sun at a wall of Space fortresses to break a siege during the final hours of the War for Badab.
@@gruntmasterbroadcast wut, how did they bribe the mechanicus to pull out the dark age tech needed to pull off nonsense like that, because thats a DAoT feat
@@TS-jm7jm Long story short is the Astral Claws really pissed off the Mechanicus, as for how I am not entirely sure but it is easily the best Parry this ya filthy heretic moment I have ever seen...
@@gruntmasterbroadcast A certain Chapter Master didn't pay his geneseed tax for a LONG time, on top of that he was using black-market/suspicious sourced geneseed to pull multiple fast one, thus the Imperial IRS was like: chowabungga it is!
The Spartan drip has no right to go that hard in a 40k version
Soy gen z speak
@@b1zzarecont4ct you got a problem old man
@@TheMightyCrucibleKnight184 Bro click on his account he is not even sane what are those two vids
"Unusually xenophobic"
By imperium's standards thats really saying something
I think it is meant more by its traditional meaning, that anything, and anyone that is strange and or unknown is something to fear and hate. Basically they fight on the same battlefield alongside a, to them, unknown guard regiment, they will likely exterminate them alongside the known enemy, just to be sure.
@@MrEmioskyou overlook tho thats the imperiums whole idea,the Minotaur chapter specifically is even higher ends of their xenophobia in a way you wouldn't see for others of the imperium and i say this because you gotta keep in mind there have been certain scenarios like when the beast was around that made those within the imperiums ranks join forces with those that are xenos like the eldar. Point is the minotaurs wouldnt even do that much if they were xenos or worthy foes,they dont work well with others unlike those of ultra marines just to give an example as they have worked with eldar before even have shipped robute guirlyman with yvraine who was a high ranked aeldari 😂 so if you want to say traditional go ahead but you overlooking for those of the imperium the traditional sense wouldve been to not trust xenos period mind you its something that has been done albeit very rarely.
Edit:also minotaurs were known for not caring even about the civilian life that was in the midst of battle or those fortifications that you would see orders to keep in tact while wiping out the heretic forces,this alone goes to show they dont care about the lessers they want a worthy foe overall
He's just like me ❤
Just the right amount of xenophobia if you ask me
The funny thing was it wasn’t just a Custodian, *IT WAS A SHIELD-CAPTAIN* bro just did the equivalent of making a Custodian Company Captain question if he could beat him in a 1v1.
Yeah that was some Matt Ward level glazing.
@@mapleflag6518it makes sense because Molochs war gear is even a step or two above the Custodes let alone the fact the Minotaurs chapter specializes in fighting other space marines. It’s safe to say it’s within the realm of possibility.
People overhype that way too much.
He might be one of the few space Marines that doesn't instantly die when facing an eye of the emperor. But he is still absolutely going to die against any armored custodian. Anything saying otherwise might as well be used as toilet paper.
People who think he could take on a custodian. Are the people who think incorrectly? That tyboro's the red wake had to have dreadnought plate, put on his terminator armor. There is nothing saying that anyone who repeats it is at best. Just repeating it from someone else. Or more realistically, they are just lying.
@@Rurik_Luci it's not that we think he could take the custodian on, it's the custodian himself that doubted he could win and openly said so, the fact that he made a custodian doubt himself is something to respect
@@alexnorth2452 It's dumb horseshit to make minotaur look good.
Fuck the dumbass high lords and their slobbering mutts they send after people.
He made a custodian DOUBT?!
ikr?
I mean to be honest even the leader of the carcharodon's does as well
@@alaneskew2664tyberos is his own kind of category tbh
@TS-jm7jm honestly I think that they could reveal that he's a lost primarch and I wouldn't be too heartbroken about it
@@alaneskew2664tyberos is so big he could beat a space marine with another space marine. He doesnt count
I absolutely do love the Minotaurs, they need so much of their own lore and video. Plus a model of their chapter master would be so dope. It also does make sense that they are descended from Perturabo, as seeing the world he landed on was named Olympia and minotaurs are in Greek legends and their armor resembles a lot from a Hoplite.
There actually was a model of their chapter master but with gw's model cut/removal its no longer going to be produced
I could also see them being World Eaters, or at least have come from their genestock
what if he fought tyberos the red wake?
Asterion Moloc has a model, but it was recently made Legends and out of print sp probably hard to find
@@brodydodson918 that would be a really intense fight
You can count with ONE HAND the number of space marines who objectively defeated an adeptus custodes
Its THAT RARE
Well the quote "the custodes are to astertes what astertes are to guardsmen" does carry weight I would say
@@Micmag- except the gap is bigger
Each custodes is handcrafted
A star systems worth of resources (only the armor is worth a PLANETS tithe for one year)
Their power and skill at EVERYTHING is insane
They are primarchs without the warp stuff and the god maker gland
Gawd damn, this is interesting and some good lore
Hé didnt fight the custodes simply looked at him and wasnt sure how it would end. So yeah top 5 marines you dont Fuck around with
@@mariuscatalin5982 And yet Graham McNeil thinks that an unarmored World Eater can literally punch through a Custode's chest armor and yank out his spine. 🙄🙄
Wouldn’t be surprised if moloch was a custodes who decided to become a Minotaur as a way to continue fighting traitor astartes.
Considering how Custodes when they grow too old or weak leave the Imperial palace out into the galaxy to serve the Imperium in other ways. That is not at all far fetched and would make the most sense due to how great a fighter he is.
The other theory is, it is implied that the armour of the Chapter Master could be sentient and holds all of the fighting capability and the fleshy thing inside is just a vessel that gets replaced.
Although the theory of him being a retired Custodes does feel less crazy than sentient armour.
@@theemperorofmankind3739 headcanon confirmed
There's no way a custodes would take orders from the highlords, they're loyal guards of emperor, even if the retire they'll serve as spy. The theory of asterion moloc as a former custodian is BS.
@@CorpseStarchEnjoyer so they’d refuse an order from their captain general? He’s also a high lord. And as a retired custodian he is free to act as he chooses. If he chooses to serve as head of a chapter that loves to fight traitor marines he is more than allowed to.
@@karlmorgan8580 lol minotaur chapter killed 1 custodes
You got me at "unfettered violence"
Adding more to my Deathwatch army
Sadly they rarely second members to the Deathwatch, instead opting to move and operate as a whole chapter. Imagine a thousand minotaurs coming crashing down on your defenses, wielding arms and armour from the earliest days of the imperium like cataphractii terminators, contemptor dreadnoughts, Land Raider Achilles and Glaive super heavy tanks.
If you do a Deathwatch minotaur, go heavy weapons, Terminator (cataphractii pattern) or techmarine; very few take the long watch and fewer still were normal marines. Good hunting.
Love the idea that they are worldeater/warhounds successor. Being the attack dogs of Lords of terra is fitting.
They a rumored to be made from iron warrior geneseed since iron warrior geneseed is stable among the traitor marine.
@@rainforcer1 It makes good amount of sense for them to be iron warrior descendants. I just really like the idea of loyalist world eaters. Them being extremely aggresive, melee oriented, leeroy jenkins tactics, attack dogs (warhounds) of lords of terra with a bit of chaosy history (first minotaur chapter) makes me believe that. Plus their hard on for fighting corrupted marines might be caused by insecturity due to their own chaos-y history.
Have you heard of the Storm Wardens, then? A melee- and armored warfare oriented chapter of Spess Scottsmen, who are totally, absolutely *not* have pre-Heresy World Eaters colours, doctrine and honour duels.
I prefer the Iron Warrior angle but it would also be cool if they were a chimeric chapter of Iron Warrior/World Eater gene seed. It would make sense
The the savage aggression of the World Eaters honed into a sharp point by the brutal pragmatic, SPITEFUL efficiency of the Iron Warriors. Perfect attack dogs, vicious but always follow every order without complaint
The fact that moloc made a custodian go "oh shit" when sizing him up is straight up terrifying to think about
That guy’s an Astartes with the heart of a Saiyan, that’s an appropriate response imo
Also not a regular Custodies it was a NAMED SHIELD CAPTAIN
Valerian is a "custodes" that probably got his position through bed, would explain that he doubts about his chances even against chaos cultists and other random hobos lol
Iron Warriors geneseed goes hard
They are also theorized to be the High Lords of Terra's own private space marine chapter, specifically for killing other Astartes, which would make their very existence illegal under Imperial Law and that the Chaper Master, Asterion Moloch, is actually a Custodes
It's not theorized it's a fact the lore blatantly states that
Wait, where is it stated that he is a custodian?
@@romancenturion1086 The first is strongly implied. The second part I don`t believe or remember, since before the return of Guiliman no Custodes had ever left the Imperial Palace.
I was thinking Asterion was actually a Thunder Warrior.
@@marducms Custodes left the Palace all the time, just never in large numbers. Solar Wardens went on inspection tours of Sol's outer defences, Shadow Wardens went on missions in the wider Imperium to track down artefacts or entities that may have escaped the Dark Cells, strike teams of Custodes went on missions to deal with serious threats before they could reach Terra and of course there are The Eyes of The Emperor, who are retired Custodes who act as intelligence officers, building spy networks across the galaxy.
Long theorized by fans to be a retired custodes (the chapter master).
That would explain the hatred for space marines
@@bruhed1117 also the
spear and the fighting stance.
@@Dreadbringerand his SIZE. Also the fact the he’s lived for so long
A custodes retired or not would never choose a high lord over the word of the emperor
@@Cantgetitright-e4j well the points in favor are these though still.just a theory:
1. The retired custodes.dont serve as regular custodes(see eyes of the emperor).
2. The highlords were what the emperor intended as human ruling sistem(see lex imperialis).
3.the emperor doesnt speak any words anymore.
4. It would make their chapter incorruptible.
5. Valerian.comments, the spear, the fighting stance, the hatred of astartes, the size, the drip.
Fleet based, almost always present with the entire chapter, taking every opportunity to smash renegade chapters, with a glut of resources at their disposal despite a murky history.
Definitely not the fist of the High Lords.
it's been hinted on multiple occasions that the minotaurs are the surviving thunder warriors after having gained access to warhound gene seed to stabilize genetic instabilities.
That's what I believe in my Head canon. After the outcast dead Arik Taranis used the Astartes Gene seed to make his own chimeric chapter. That's why they fuck up Astartes so easily. Moloc is half thunder warrior half war hound
I thought the author that wrote about the Minotaurs has said that they are Iron Warriors…?
@@loganpickells8305 Probably the rest. But for Asterion would be cool if he is something else due his effectiveness. War Hounds were really effective down to a scary degree that they do their job so well and without casualties, not even colaterals (something it went to the drain when Angron make them become the World Eaters and kill most of them).
Some also say they must be a chimeric like the Carcharadons (who were the result of mixing Corvus' geneseed with Conrad's geneseed), but in this case "Wardogs/World Eaters with Ironwarriors". That will explain they "conditioned loyalty".
"What chapter do you belong to?"
"We are well known for our unfettered violence and destruction"
"Do you have the slightest how little that narrows it down?"
Minotaurs! One of my favorite chapters! Brutal, merciless and badass.
Minotaurs are just Spartan warriors. They need the fight, need the conflict, test their mettle. For only the strong live long in 40k.
I remember the Minotaurs geneseed being called
"chimeric" in one sourcebook. Since they're basically just attack dogs for the High Lords of terra, it seems that their personality is less because of their geneseed and more because of their loyalties.
Chimeric could also explain their personalities. Imagine the mix of Iron Warrior and World Eater gene seed. Like you said, perfect attack dogs: violent but logical berserkers who never complain about orders.
Could you not describe the Minotaurs as the savage aggression of the World Eaters tempered by the brutal pragmatic spiteful efficiency of the Iron Warriors?
@@BrianHall33 Honestly, it make sense, since the 1st batch was suppose to be use of World Eaters, but they were unstable. Then the 2nd was suppose to be someone else, and they claim to be "from Dorn" when they act more like Iron Warriors. So their ruttlessness looks like more like World Eaters, their ruthless effectiveness looks more when World eaters use to be Warhounds, and their pragmatism and brutal efficiency and pride comes from the Iron Warriors.
Cold proud.
Yeah when its not having temper tamtruns because daddy didn't said good job.
That's why it's a good thing Mino's are pampered by the High Lords. Minos are basically what the IW's would have been if treated better.
Screw these guys they hurt the lamenters
Everybody hurt the lamenters 💀
Just helping the lamenters be themselves 😂
Who *hasn't* hurt the Lamenters by this point? XD
Also mantis warrior
To be fair they were also the ones who realized that the Lamenters were in fact not really traitor, as they refused to kill any Minotaurs, and because of that spared them. I believe they even vouched for the Lamenters to the High Lords.
Renegade marines being anyone that the high lords dont like.
New favorite chapter.
I personally speculate that Minotaurs are either Imperial Fists or of World Eaters descent. The former as a Munitorum attempt at recreating the effectiveness of the Black Templars but obedient. The latter due to their extreme violent tendencies which were still remarked by other legions even before Angron came along.
Didn't Guilliman wreck them when they allied with the deposed high lords in their attempted coup?
No they never fought but only by a hairs breath
"Allied" it's their literal job to defend the high lords, and they were not made aware they were being fighting for traitors. Once they were told, they immediately left.
The Minotaurs will always be my favorite, they haven’t changed a bit, #StopXenoLove
I’ve seen a theory that molock is actually a custodes. Unlikely but a more likely one is that molock has died many times and every time a new master is picked, he is given molocks armor and personality.
Belisarius cawl soul merged with a scientist before, and i think it is secretly performed to asterion.
So kinda like lucius but if Lucius was a armor and weapon?
@@zionasuncion9568 kinda. Lucius only comes back if the person who killed him takes any pride or joy in killing him.
@@zionasuncion9568more, sort of like the phoenix lords in the eldar and their armour.
Asterion: "Nah, I'd win."
Custode: "Shit he actually could."
Can't wait for my boys the Carcaradon to clash with them.
These guys and the Space Wolves need to hang out.
Could you imagine if Grimnar and Moloc decided to see who would win. Jesus that would be the best space marine fight ever.
Let's see minotaurs vs carcharodons astra. Let the slaughter begin
Minotaur Within Minotaur Without
Molock to Custodian "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?! IS THIS NOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR?!"
Decimus gotta have some of theirs in him. Even challenges Bulwark character to a spar to break his guard during second operation.
They're definitely inquisition secret project. Like having grey knights and death watch ain't enough
Look, if there's one thing you learn in the 40k world, it's to appreciate the fact that someone is on your side, violent tendencies be damned.
My head cannon is they are flawed custodes.
I personally like the idea that they're Loyalist Iron Warriors. After all, The Heresy was not perfectly clean cut, not every legion followed their primarch perfectly. So the administratum deleting their lineage due to their usefulness makes sense.
This faction is low key awesome 🤩
Well, i mean the Minotaurs are known to often work directly for the High Lords of Terra. Likely they have no regrets so long as they get what they want, and they'll go anywhere and fight anything. This came back to bite them in the ass after they picked in the Lamenters. The Minotaurs were forced to return every prisoner and bit of tech they took form the Lamenters or face total Chapter annihilation because of how badly they bullied others for no reason.
Sounds like theyd have a lot of fun fighting orcs 😂
Asterion vs Tyberos: let’s get it on
These guys are both the Spartans of the Imperium but also seen as the High Lords of Terra's personal attack dogs.
Another side just sees them as Blood Ravens but just complete assholes.
Bloos Ravens would be nice enough to take your shit when you're not looking
Minotaurs would straight up just mug you alongside a unjustified beating
Correct.
When a chapter of Space Marines is called “unusually xenophobic” you’re in for a fucking wild ride
asterion could be that one thunder warrior who stole a dead space marine's geneseed and augmented himself during the siege of terra
The minotaurs are just The high lords of Terra, looking back at Leman Russ and the space wolves being the emperor's executioners and thinking "that's cool, I want some of that but worse." But they didn't even order them off of wish that shit was off of temu.
Makes sense that they have the spartan insignia on their shields. The Spartans and then would be buddies.
In my head cannon this chapter is in the high lords of Terra's deep pockets and are used as essentially secret police or a sort of enforcer group for other space marine chapters.
People keep saying the Custodes felt he doubted he could defeat Moloch. No, he wasn't doubtful, he was UNCERTAIN that he could defeat him. Not the same thing.
A great match for khorne bloodletter and deamonic prince
Custodes of each are the ultimate Space Marine slayer. But no of each Minotaur.
I guess they'd make good buddies with the Orcs
Didn’t the Minotaurs betray the imperium in favor of noble houses that funded them?
Kinda. Last I checked/remembered.
They are directly loyal to the high lords instead of the overall imperium.
@@halfknight2310 I thank you
They were misled into fighting for traitorous high lords. They were very likely specifically created by the High Lords to defend them because they are who big E intended to rule the Imperium. Papa Smurf is now technically part of the council of high lords, so the situation is not likely to repeat itself.
It's strongly implied once the Minos were made aware they were fighting for traitors, they stopped fighting and withdrew. They are just as loyal to Big E as papa smurf is. They just have a different function than he does.
Unusually Xenophobic Space Marine is like saying unusually hot soup, what are we doing here?
Aren’t these the guys who helped with the defence effort against the Maynarkh Dynasty during the Orphean War?
War hounds gene seed, im calling it!
Who would win in a conflict between the Minotaurs and the Carcharodons? How brutal would this war be?
It would be devastatingly brutal.
A duel between The chapters master of each would be massive in size.
Honestly. I’d say the minatours would win. But the carcharodons would fight to the last man. Lots of blood will be shed.
It could go either way. Carchars are more specialized in hit and run tactics, while minos prefer protracted engagements or siege warfare. If the minos allow the carchars to fight on their terms then the carchars will win.
If the minos hunker down, or lure the carchars into enough counter ambushes for instance by feigning weakness which is what carchars wait to see before committing their full strength, then the mino's take this.
Furthermore the longer the conflict goes on the worse off the carchars will be because even though the carchars take good care of their equipment and ships to a meticulous degree, ensuring self-sufficience, the minotaurs are unmatched in the quality and relative quantity of their armaments. What's more, Minotaurs have an unknown means of quickly replenishing their numbers faster than any other chapter, which puts the carchars in a bad spot because they have to rely on negotiations with fickle renegade chapters to help replenish their ranks.
When it comes to Tyberos vs Asterion.... hell if I know. Tyber takes speed and size, but Asterion likely has experience, skill, a possible slight edge in equipment quality, and also durability, having literally come back from the dead stronger each time. For all of Tyber's speed, I question whether he'd be faster than a named custodes shield captain who legit had no idea if he could beat Moloc. But i could be wrong.
We don't get enough respect.
I just wonder what deems a renegade chapter to have to be slaughtered since they usally are still loyal to the emporor
It tends to be either they end up doing some acts that are a bit to close to chaos worship or are to happy with extermamatis that or they dont pay there taxes
Renegade chapters aren't loyal to the emperor they're chapters that have betrayed the imperium but don't work for chaos like most of the night Lords warbands
Jus' uh cupal o' boiz luken fo' a gud propah foite
Nah, they beat the shit out of the other chapters because they're the high lords' personal dogs.
Malum Caedo would know a thing or two about unfettered violence.
you know what? I think that the Imperium is just Rome if it never fell. I mean, with all of the names, even how some of the guardsmen and Space Marines look, it strengthens that. I know you're talking about a Space Marine chapter, but good God, it's blatantly obvious.
I’d like to see them fight the Space Sharks, battle of the merciless fratricide specialists lol
They are based on Perturabos geneseed. The creator of the Minotaurs mentioned it in a White Dwarf article.
He stated that was his belief based on what he understood from someone else's writing.
That theory about the Iron Warriors isn't a theory btw. The creator of the chapter from the Badab War books explicitly started that they are.
how ..."-UNUSUALLY- XENOPHOBIC".. must one be to stand out even amongst astartes?
To the point that you treat everyone outside of your chapter and the high council with disdain and mistrust.
So basically these are the Space Marines equivalent of orks
Just send them against 3 problems.
Necrons, Orks and Tyranids.
The situation would sort itself out.
Didn't they pick one hell of a fight with the Lamenters?
As much as i dislike the space marines (too many sub-factions) i have to admit that i like the Spartan like aestetic of the minotaurs
Cant't fathom why your even here, literally every faction except nids have some kind of sub faction... 😂😂😂, by your Statement your either a nid Fan or just simply hate everything.
@@renediem5218 fine jest. Too bad the imperium alone have almost more space marines sub factions that the xeno have full factions.
@@Chronesys and? They may have more, so what? The point is all the factions except nids have sub factions. Get of your high horse. So the "jest" is on you n Shows you know nothing or are too dumb to understand factions and subfactions. Thx for Wastin my time with an idiot like you.
Literally just Spartans
Asteriom Moloc is basically the Connector from kengan omega.
My theory is that they born from world eater gene-seed but without the butcher nails. Explain why they focus so much on combat like gladiator style.
“No one wanted to find out, so we decided to kick our own asses”
Wouldn't this chapter be a perfect measure against Tyranids? They would be constantly trying to gain force against an enemy who can constantly upgrade himself
No
No, going after tyranids requires the ability to take initiative. The minotaurs are far to concerned with the whims of the high lords.
If the High Lords ever bothered to send them against the Tyranids, yea. They'd probably do great against them. But that will never happen.
Also, technically the minos have fought and won against Tyranids already in the form of genestealer cults.
@@ambushbob5383minos can take unitiative as long as it does not directly defy High Lord orders.
I think Tyberos and Asterion was the Lost 2 Primarch?
Minotaurs pre-retcons: Probable World Eaters geneseed.
Minotaurs post-retcons: Probably not the same Minotaurs. Maybe Iron Warriors. May be even chimeric geneseed that has both Iron Warriors and World Eaters geneseeds.
My favorite chapter. You forgot to mention they are given more gear and war machines of the best quality than any other chapter due to basically being the personal SM chapter of the High Lords. No chapter is better equipped than them. Not even founding chapters. Which may be because they secretly are modified loyalist Iron Warriors.
You also left out that they literally steal stuff from other chapters after beating the crums out of them. So not only are they well-equipped, they always have spares.
Lastly, you left out that not only do they always deploy their entire chapter on their missions, but also that they somehow replenish their numbers faster than any other chapter, the process that allows them to do so possibly being what causes them to be so hostile towards other chapters, and disrespectful in general.
Well Moloch was wearing terminator armour
This Is Sparta!
They still got stomped by a half dead lamenters chapter lol
Best Successor Legion 10/10.
I do love how the chapter masters name is a reference to the strongest minotaur in greek mythology.
Why do we have da orkz wit da umies?!
Gives me some Ork vibes.
Ahhh the orcs of the spacemarine
I love the "unusually xenophobic" being applied to astartes when 99% of them treat xenos like target practice.
Who were the Astartes to have defeated Custodes? Do you have any links so I can read up on this. I've tried searching but can't seem to find anything.
They are Loyalist Iron Warriors
They would be more badass if they actually went out a hunted chaos space marines, instead of just being the high lords attack dogs. I mean the whole lore of them wanting to test themselves against the toughest opponents, doesnt make sense this way.
Basicly, Space spartans
They feel driven to fight the biggest enemies to grow bigger and stronger?
DEY IZ DA ORKS SPACE UMIEZ!!! WAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!
I thought it was a Gray Knight that made the Custodian doubt?
Imagine: Astarion vs Angron (Demon Form) vs The Beast vs a Krork all while encased in Trayzns 60in 5th Dimensional t.v.
Where did u find the picture of them in the phalanx?
Not a theory. It's 100% confirmed that tgwy are Iron Warriors. The Creator of the Minotours made a facebook post confirming that they are indeed the 4th legion. Source: Valrak.
Technically valrak isn't their creator as much as their writer. He states in the post you refer to that he took prompts from someone else and based on that, he believes they are iron warriors. Which does not mean they are JUST iron warriors. They may in fact have a custom gene seed that uses IW's as a base.
Also the whole works for the administratum thing, they're the governments trump card
Or they're just giant assholes. Also the fact they would challenge a custodes who defend the emperor says something about how BIG of an issue that entails for loyalty
ikr, who in their right mind would even think of doing something like that ? those boys give off some heresy vibes.
I totally agree, they're pieces of shit and dont have anything of value to give to the empire besides being great beserkers. Let them die off I say
@@NinthRomancea fleet of Black Templars attacked the Custodes who was delivering them their new primaris marines. It did not end well foe either the Templars, Primaris Templars, or attending Custodes
Mino's are basically trained to see the High Lords as big E's stand ins. Not the Custodes. Which if you think about it, is fair because Big E intended the council to take his place.
Mino sees a custodes attacking the council, then he assumes the custodes turned traitor, not the High Lords.
Their loyalty is beyond reproach. The problem is the structure of government.