Do Runways Matter on Drag Race?

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    Time and time again on RuPaul's Drag Race, we see queens get massive praise for their runway looks and also torn to shreds over them. But just how much do they come into play when determining challenge winners and bottom placements? (well they're all bottoms lbr)
    Today we're going to take a look at some examples of when the runways came into play, or maybe when they should have come into play but didn't for whatever reason (cough cough riggory). From Alexis Michelle's iconic faux fur realness that cost her the win in the Kardashian Rusical to the most recent Mrs. Kasha David net gala look on All Stars 8. We'll break it all down and solve the mystery of: do runways matter on Drag Race?
    0:00 INTRO
    4:00 DRAG RACE SEASONS 9-15
    20:48 ALL STARS 2-8
    28:20 FINAL THOUGHTS
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  • @atorwlf
    @atorwlf Год назад +399

    i am never getting over alexis gathering everyone to say “I cant believe you didn’t tell me my dress was ugly”. iconic

    • @tovi3280
      @tovi3280 Год назад +31

      and even telling farrah "no, you cant go to learn ur lipsync song that u need to do to stay in this competition" to say it is CAMP

    • @danielescobar1231
      @danielescobar1231 2 месяца назад +3

      It’s a competition girl 😂😂

  • @c0dyyy_xx
    @c0dyyy_xx Год назад +1250

    i feel runways matter when they want to either save a queen that production likes or eliminate queens who may not be the most likedby production

  • @JetPackDino
    @JetPackDino Год назад +67

    I feel your pain about Mrs. Kasha Davis. She *owned* the SNL challenge; she actually stole the scene from two scene-stealers! I'm sure her Snatch Game would have been amazing. Now I guess we'll never know.

  • @femkev.5245
    @femkev.5245 Год назад +643

    Not only did Gigi’s Stars and Stripes runway look costumey, it also missed the runway prompt entirely - and not just because it had no Stars and Stripes. The runway prompt was American pride and she was literally dressed as a redcoat, British soldiers from the Revolutionary War. You honestly can’t miss the prompt any harder. They saved her because they knew she couldn’t lipsync and she was the production favourite that season, so no way were they risking losing her.

    • @richardruvalcaba8901
      @richardruvalcaba8901 Год назад +47

      Not a Gigi Stan but the theme they say on the show isn’t always the wording they give to the queens so if the theme was American pride, they probably were just told make a look based off the colors red white and blue

    • @theonlydahli
      @theonlydahli Год назад +42

      @@richardruvalcaba8901 Widow’s look was not red white and blue though

    • @superbaralai
      @superbaralai Год назад +45

      I screamed when I saw she was a Redcoat. Its like going to a ball runway wearing a bikini.

    • @logiebear911
      @logiebear911 Год назад +42

      @@theonlydahli yes bc she was doing a clear reference to the flag from an African American perspective, widow hit the prompt and did something different

    • @theonlydahli
      @theonlydahli Год назад +26

      @@logiebear911 agreed! i’m just pointing out the fact that the prompt couldn’t have been red, white and blue if Widow’s look was black and white, a reference to the BLM movement.

  • @shanegoddard6141
    @shanegoddard6141 Год назад +201

    You forgot Brooke's AMAZING runway reveal not saving her from the bottom 2 during snatch game...i mean Vanjie was also pretty bad lol

    • @Kryptotight426
      @Kryptotight426 Год назад +41

      I think they really wanted to set the yvie vs brooke lipsync so it makes sense why they put brooke in the bottom instead of vanjie AND when she revealed, she looked ready for battle like she knew the slayage that was abt to happen

    • @jeppaahteisko1078
      @jeppaahteisko1078 Год назад +3

      I mean like, it was a predictable reveal and a bikini. Imo wasnt that impressive

    • @Mendejito
      @Mendejito Год назад +27

      @@jeppaahteisko1078 I’m sorry but let’s not tell lies and act like that reveal was predictable lmao

    • @Notmyname423
      @Notmyname423 Год назад +10

      @@jeppaahteisko1078lol I know you lying calling that predictable. Everyone. EVERYONE was living for that reveal when it happened.

    • @casswashwash1070
      @casswashwash1070 Год назад +5

      @@jeppaahteisko1078 no one knew 😭 she did it so fast stahp it

  • @SamAntyx
    @SamAntyx Год назад +72

    I don't think the judges respect Kasha's drag aesthetic. She is such an incredible performance queen, and it's a very different perspective than what (I think) the judges are looking for. It's almost like if there's no sexiness to it, they don't think it's good drag. Honestly, it's disheartening because it's like putting drag in a box--which is counterintuitive to what drag actually exists as in the real world.

  • @Adam-em6wr
    @Adam-em6wr Год назад +435

    Putting 2 queens of colour who made political statements on the runway on a politics themed challenge in the bottom, in order to save 2 white queens is such a bad look.

    • @maffytaffy1231
      @maffytaffy1231 Год назад +39

      You making everything a race matter is such a bad look

    • @ary2972
      @ary2972 Год назад +178

      @@maffytaffy1231girl, you’re the one who commented that the only thing going for Luxx is that she’s black. I think you’re the one who is focusing on race too much 🤨

    • @ClitneySpears
      @ClitneySpears Год назад +57

      OOP! Clock that tea.

    • @beevonerd
      @beevonerd Год назад +59

      ​@@ary2972 LMAOOOOO not the gag of the century

    • @CarlDillynson
      @CarlDillynson Год назад +65

      @@ary2972 get her, Jade

  • @andrewlocke6103
    @andrewlocke6103 Год назад +77

    Nina Bo'Nina's runway package felt like something extra special we had never seen before, and I remember waiting for the runways specifically to see what she would wear. Agree that in general Season 9 is where there starts being more emphasis on the runway or we start hearing "your runway saved you tonight" more

    • @beevonerd
      @beevonerd Год назад +7

      It was, they did her so wrong.

  • @venusonearth2189
    @venusonearth2189 Год назад +52

    The Lupone blunder in your presentation will go down as an iconic slip up because I immediately thought of Bob & Willow’s “VIVIENNE PINAY?!” and Mo & Trixie’s “…Sheryl Canning” moments

  • @vivianpolizzano2234
    @vivianpolizzano2234 Год назад +23

    gigi goode wearing a red coat for stars and stripes when the redcoats were the british is SO beyond funny to me.

  • @karlrassmann4604
    @karlrassmann4604 Год назад +80

    I might argue that Kerri wearing the JLo dress is WHY she was in the bottom. Not because it was bad, but because it was a moment. It's not every day the producers get to make a moment where a literal famous piece of fashion history is on the runway, and they wanted to milk it and see it move.

    • @pictureperfect3211
      @pictureperfect3211 Год назад +12

      Then it should’ve been a double save. It was awful for Alyssa to have to be sacrificed just to see an Iconic moment from another Queen.

    • @egg_2705
      @egg_2705 Год назад

      ​@@pictureperfect3211Alyssa was going to go home no matter what imo. They weren't going to send another queen home.

    • @pictureperfect3211
      @pictureperfect3211 Год назад

      @@egg_2705 but they didn’t need to is the point. There were like 5 or 6 episodes where no one went home.

  • @matejhacko6031
    @matejhacko6031 Год назад +259

    Side note, Trinity's runways on all stars 4 were amazing. So were Manila's.

    • @andre.andrade91
      @andre.andrade91 Год назад +48

      Trinity ALWAYS serves on the runways and specially design challenges, I really admire how hard working she is

    • @matejhacko6031
      @matejhacko6031 Год назад +9

      It was never the same and always refreshing. I kept looking forward to her runway looks every episode

    • @user-ke5rt3ji8c
      @user-ke5rt3ji8c Год назад +29

      Trinitys runways are top tier better than manilas imo. I wish the fandom would give Trinity her tens with the runways. She came to PLAY on as4

    • @malfos
      @malfos Год назад

      yes truly, one of my fav queens

    • @Leifang12
      @Leifang12 Год назад +2

      Manila runways were brilliant in AS4!!!

  • @justjorge7430
    @justjorge7430 Год назад +230

    Patti Lupone is such an iconic diva!! However, ChiChi actually did Patti Labelle. You said the wrong diva, but hey A for effort 😅 (great video btw)

    • @camomiletea7357
      @camomiletea7357 Год назад +28

      Came into the comments to check if anyone said it yet. Would love a Patti lupone performance. Shame we haven't had one yet...

    • @brandonwilson2874
      @brandonwilson2874 Год назад +10

      I came here looking for this comment. I had a moment at home lol

    • @stanleym1907
      @stanleym1907 Год назад +2

      I came looking for this comment

    • @miller4263
      @miller4263 Год назад +1

      ​@@brandonwilson2874 lol same!!

    • @alextirrellRI
      @alextirrellRI Год назад +6

      This is a good reminder that someone needs to do Patti LuPone on Snatch Game -- even if nobody know who she is if they do her right, it will work!

  • @theonlyjamdodge
    @theonlyjamdodge Год назад +217

    i've always been confused on this matter, because sometimes an amazing runway pushes a queen who already did amazing to the top, but a bottom queen can have an amazing runway and have it ignored. excited to see this video though!!

    • @ohandthefracking
      @ohandthefracking Год назад +28

      biggest example of amazing runway not saving a queen: Kahmora Hall in trains for days

    • @yuh_299
      @yuh_299 Год назад +5

      SAY HER NAME 🗣🗣 SMINTY DROP

    • @ohandthefracking
      @ohandthefracking Год назад +4

      btw i wanna clarify she deserved her BTM2 position since she was the worst by a big margin

    • @maxinesteuer1959
      @maxinesteuer1959 Год назад

      @@ohandthefrackingyeah, if the logic is that challenge determined bottom 3 and then runways choose who lip syncs…Kahmora had an AMAZING runway, even if her challenge performance was objectively the worst. So why didn’t the runway save her?

    • @ohandthefracking
      @ohandthefracking Год назад +2

      @@maxinesteuer1959 because in general everyone but Kandy and Joey Jay served on the runway so while she served THE best, its not like everyone looked like a mess
      doesnt really help that the other girls in bottom 3 were Denali and Lala Ri - who also were in top 5 of best looks of this weeks category so she really just stood out as "girl you ate but everyone else munched as much"

  • @huskyree
    @huskyree Год назад +63

    I love that you’re seeking justice for Kasha Davis & that you’re so unashamedly, unabashedly, unapologetic for it! 💕💕

  • @sliceofBluVelvet
    @sliceofBluVelvet Год назад +22

    Kasha's net gala look is giving effie trinket ready to send 2 more kids into the hunger games

  • @gardenlover9663
    @gardenlover9663 Год назад +29

    Melania is one of the funniest Snatchgame characters. Monet was funny, but Aquaria was prepared on a Jinkx level for her Snatchgame win.

  • @Manuelcolon24
    @Manuelcolon24 Год назад +8

    Not Patti LuPone😭😭😭 gurl you're having a Charol Canning moment! Chi Chi was doing Patti LaBelle!

  • @Mudkip0408
    @Mudkip0408 Год назад +30

    I think the runway only matters when either production wants it to matter (to save or sacrifice someone) or as a tie breaker but usually it doesn't

  • @BDevilScholar
    @BDevilScholar Год назад +17

    I can't believe you didn't mention Kandy's Beast Couture from S13! That was terrible but they laughed it off.

  • @braxtonchurch5728
    @braxtonchurch5728 Год назад +31

    I think the main reason why Mrs. Kasha Davis didn’t win was because production wanted the Jimbo and Pangina lip sync.

  • @joeywild2011
    @joeywild2011 Год назад +29

    I always thought that the runways served as tiebreakers when the queens who did the best or worst in the challenge were kind of even. But after watching more and more seasons it’s clear that production just uses it to favour queens they like or disadvantage queens they dislike.

  • @user-wx3kw8hz8d
    @user-wx3kw8hz8d Год назад +9

    Darienne looked literally amazing in the last episode and went home. Runways are my favorite part of the show so I always get upset when they’re not taken into account over some of the cringey challenges

  • @vitor8048
    @vitor8048 Год назад +9

    You missed a super important point for Shea being pushed in the Rusical. Nina wanted to be Blac Chyna and Shea winning would bring more drama.

  • @winifrededen5333
    @winifrededen5333 Год назад +11

    this is why i prefer the judging on thailand, they outright tell the queens how much each challenge (mini, maxi, runway) is worth when it comes to who wins and who lipsyncs

  • @khntou4178
    @khntou4178 Год назад +35

    I've never used the runway to judge a queen's perforance tbh. Some queens just have more money and better connections than others. What matters most to me in this regard is their ability to construct a look. I would say Lala Ri and Utica delivered runway packages from home that were about the same in terms of quality, but as we've seen, they're in completely different playing fields when it comes to actually making their own runway.

    • @ohandthefracking
      @ohandthefracking Год назад +24

      to quote Nicole Byer: Utica made her sleeping bag gown in the same amount of time it took Lala Ri to glue bags onto her corset

    • @khntou4178
      @khntou4178 Год назад +2

      @@ohandthefracking Nah, everyone got 1 day, but Utica definitely got 1 week while Lala Ri got 1 minute 😜

    • @danielsimmich1858
      @danielsimmich1858 Год назад +3

      But then somebody like Nina Bonina Brown didn’t have much for her runways but made some incredible, unique creations. Does she not deserve some props for doing a lot with so little?

    • @khntou4178
      @khntou4178 Год назад +2

      @@danielsimmich1858 I can appreciate how hard some queens worked to get their runways together, but to be fair, other queens with good money and good connections undoubtedly worked hard to obtain those things that provide them with good runways. I think it'd be hypocritical for me to discredit either methods, so I just consider both on the same playing field.
      For Nina, her costumes themselves weren't that amazing imo, it was her makeup that was truly phenomenal, the very best to grace the show. Obviously she deserves special praise for that since she was definitely working on her face before every runway, it's not like she brought removable face masks lol.

  • @clebergrechi979
    @clebergrechi979 Год назад +120

    It wasn't just Kasha's look that prevented her from winning. Jimbo's look was iconic, it was all winners level imo.

    • @monique4645
      @monique4645 Год назад +44

      Agree but Kasha at LEAST could have been high. Production was definitely ~at work~ keeping her safe, IMO!

    • @standbywhy107
      @standbywhy107 Год назад +12

      @@monique4645 in both episodes too…she was great in both yet safe, safe, out…like tf

    • @cloudymay5600
      @cloudymay5600 Год назад +3

      Also, even though she was really good in the second skit, she and Kandy had 0 chemistry during the monologue and MKD’s performance especially felt kinda forced.

    • @user-ke5rt3ji8c
      @user-ke5rt3ji8c Год назад +4

      Girl…I know u didn’t say it’s all winners level..

    • @user-ke5rt3ji8c
      @user-ke5rt3ji8c Год назад +6

      U can compliment jimbo without being delusional cuz u will get her dragged with this crazy comment “it’s winners level imo” 😂

  • @lusidora
    @lusidora Год назад +8

    I feel, as several people already have stated, that Heidi is being extremly overlooked, she could have won the last episode and The Ball. Justice for Heidi ❤

  • @pietrofattorello
    @pietrofattorello Год назад +3

    "asia wearing BIG BIRD"
    "chi chi as patti LUPONE"
    ILLITERATE!!!

  • @diegosinclair8426
    @diegosinclair8426 Год назад +12

    It's pretty obvious that the runway ONLY matters when production faves (or in some cases, storyline) are in the top or the bottom. Gigi, Jimbo, Shea, Aquaria, Bosco, Crystal, Kameron, etc. They all were production faves.

  • @J_Alexander_Comedy
    @J_Alexander_Comedy Год назад +7

    In the instance of crystal methyd being in the bottom 3 with dahlia and Nicky, but being saved.
    I think she was saved not only because of story or favoritism, but the amount of intrigue her unique drag had created to that point. I bet the judges were like ‘this is not the best look and she didn’t do the best but I want to see more.’

  • @emmy7318
    @emmy7318 Год назад +5

    It's funny but I always think about season 3 in the exercise episode, where Yara gave us the iconic 'echa pa'lante' moment but Michelle mentioned how much she disliked her dress and she lost the challenge to Alexis Mateo who looked absolutely stunning in her gown. That's the first moment (as far as I can tell) of the runway holding someone back

  • @samnovak3024
    @samnovak3024 Год назад +13

    I feel like the thing with MKD is that not only you like her runway (for whatever reason😂) but also the notion that she was by far the best in the challenge also isnt as popular. I think her and Kandy were equally good and Heidi even did better than MKD.

    • @cloudymay5600
      @cloudymay5600 Год назад +1

      Thank you

    • @zachklieman2141
      @zachklieman2141 Год назад

      I honestly think Naysha was the best in the challenge and am so confused by her bottom placement

    • @beevonerd
      @beevonerd Год назад +3

      ​@@zachklieman2141 Oof wouldn't go THAT far but I wouldn't have sent her home, either.

    • @zachklieman2141
      @zachklieman2141 Год назад

      @@beevonerd They were all very good, I thought Layla Ri and Jaymes were also great, but I still think Naysha was easily the best

  • @Housewarmin
    @Housewarmin Год назад +26

    Runways matter when production want them to matter, they are used as a last stitch effort to sway storylines. Plus, if Runways didn't matter, there wouldn't be the Fame Games.

  • @SMAnthonyW
    @SMAnthonyW Год назад +7

    I feel like nobody truly knows the answer to this question, including the queens, Ru, and the producers themselves.....but it is clear that the runway is taken into account to conveniently eliminate or elevate a specific queen for narrative purposes.

  • @chrissyb6647
    @chrissyb6647 Год назад +7

    Kasha is legit snl material she was the best part of rdr live

  • @erickbernache4436
    @erickbernache4436 Год назад +64

    I love the effort you put into your videos, big fan of yours

  • @Ballz2U2
    @Ballz2U2 Год назад +10

    I've always hated when fans or reaction channels would priorize the runway over the week's performance, like it determines the ranks if it's not a ball or a design challenge.

  • @diegosinclair8426
    @diegosinclair8426 Год назад +11

    I like when the runways break a tie or when the queens were so good in the challenge that the runways is the only thing that the judges can look at.

  • @RGMGB
    @RGMGB Год назад +7

    In the wigloose challenge I always felt that because they all done so well Ru asked who should go home and then put the two queens with the most votes in the bottom

  • @irrevocably-delicious4312
    @irrevocably-delicious4312 Год назад +4

    I’m so glad other people are talking about Kasha in the snl episode. I thought I was going crazy! To me she was such a standout in that episode. It was like she was an actual snl star that came in as a special guest for the week to play with the girls. Because of her runway I don’t think she necessarily needed to win? Jimbo winning is fiiiine and you know production wanted that Jimbo/pan Gina reunion. But I just wish Kasha got to be in the top and have the judges tell her good job. Especially since that could have saved her in the next episode, and she probably would have done VERY WELL in the trailer episode after that.
    Anyway I’m looking forward to your riggory video on this season cuz they started gaslighting us EARLY.

    • @penguin0dreamer
      @penguin0dreamer Год назад +3

      Me too! I felt exactly the same. Kasha was my clear winner of that challenge (not considering runway).

    • @AthyDuGard
      @AthyDuGard Год назад +3

      I really wanted to witness Kasha slay in the tv trailer challenge! 😭

  • @matthewlucas4990
    @matthewlucas4990 Год назад +13

    They are an easy way to produce narratives... but I also think they serve the function of potentially pushing you ahead if it is VERY close.
    Plus they are one of the best ways for the queen to show the audience who they are... So whether they affect placements or not, they certainly shape your public reception... which is more important in the end!

  • @linafountain4691
    @linafountain4691 Год назад +6

    I have to mention an episode that popped up in my mind when I saw this video. It is EP2 from de 1st season of Drag Race España. For those who don’t know, it is a girl group challenge and the runway was a tribute to La Veneno. The winner was Carme Farala (deserved) and in the challenge, Pupi Poisson also stood out a lot. But for the runway, Carmen was outstandingly good (pls look at her look it was amazing). In the bottom, something similar happened. Arantxa Castilla La Mancha (aka icon) was thrown into the bottom basically because of a look that was kind of lazy and didnt fit the prompt at all. That is why, even having a really good and memorable performance, she lip synced that episode instead of others like Inti, Dovima or Hugaceo, who didn’t really do that good in the challenge but had good runways.

    • @AthyDuGard
      @AthyDuGard Год назад

      Agree! There is something so charismatic about Arantxa that tugs at my heart strings. I was devo when she left 😔

  • @marilyndemontreal4904
    @marilyndemontreal4904 Год назад +2

    Omg! I didn’t know that there was a costume store called “Party city”! I just finally - years later - understood the intended meaning of “Go back to party city where you belong!” 😅

  • @austyp78
    @austyp78 Год назад +6

    Production uses runways to justify placements. If they want a queen to win and they have a good runway that episode they will praise them. If the queen slayed the challenge but their runway is crunchy they will often look past the runway to give give that queen a win.

    • @austyp78
      @austyp78 Год назад

      Same thing with bottom placements

  • @haydenmcqueenie8987
    @haydenmcqueenie8987 Год назад +4

    A good example of the runway being a tiebreaker is in Season 6, the Snatch Game episode. Based on the challenge, the win could have gone to any of Ben Dela Creme, Bianca Del Rio or Adore Delano, but since Dela was the only one who properly fit the brief in the runway (the best RuPaul look), that's why she won.

    • @egg_2705
      @egg_2705 Год назад

      This is legit why people forget that Bianca didn't win the snatch game 😂

  • @MSlushalot
    @MSlushalot Год назад +4

    RPDR uses the runway sometimes when they want to keep a queen or send a queen home.
    If you notice the critiques are never consistent, one queen is praised for her body suit with things pasted to it, and another queen will lose because she has a body suit with things pasted on it.
    That's how they justify sending a queen home or having them win the season, whichever the producers want.

  • @utubes13
    @utubes13 Год назад +6

    Queens have no control over when the runway matters or not. They are accessories to drive a storyline. So the queens’ best shot is to make their looks the best possible so when they are at play, they work in their favor, not the opposite. Drag race is a reality tv show. If it was meant to be a fair game, it would and could be audited by Ernst & Young. 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @mrstanaka2211
    @mrstanaka2211 Год назад +2

    i think one thing that wasn’t mentioned was the robbery of pandora boxx in (tbh all) her seasons, they would out her in the top but not let her win because “her runway wasn’t good” 🤷‍♀️

  • @coheb725
    @coheb725 Год назад +6

    i feel like runways matter for winning over the public. queens that don't do well at challenges/weird editrs but have amazing runways seem to get beloved by the fandom!

  • @coledurkee3042
    @coledurkee3042 Год назад +8

    I think a bikini is just a type of garment like a dress. Gigi’s bikini look while it appears simple is beautifully made and considering the styling choices of the nails and hair I think it makes for a more niche and original presentation. While Jan was more recognizably Michelle, she’s in a long black wig like most of the other girls. And I’ll say that is just a simple stretch dress (no more remarkable than a bathing suit).
    I think there is this idea of “no more bodysuits”, but i think it should be “no more bad bodysuits”. There are good and bad kinds of every type of garments lol

  • @rustyrogan3780
    @rustyrogan3780 Год назад +4

    Since the day one I'm thinking about this and still I have no clue. I can only say this for some seaons fashion it's more important for some not but at the end of the day, runways feels like an easy exploitable way for production to put queens in the bottom they don't want and save queens that they want. I hope its clear.

  • @theartistjoshbeames
    @theartistjoshbeames Год назад +4

    crystal methyd’s look was actually great just not everyone understands it’s brilliance 💕

  • @joshtvrdy9944
    @joshtvrdy9944 Год назад

    your content is so gooood. Would LOVE to hear you talk Survivor.

  • @noahlundborg7694
    @noahlundborg7694 Год назад +2

    I don’t care what anyone says Bob wearing the robot suit on the pit stop, she was stunning, hot, my favourite Bob look

  • @brandoniswhoiam
    @brandoniswhoiam Год назад +2

    Runways only matter when Ru says they do, even during challenges that are judged solely based on a queens’ appearances - so, the garment creation and makeover challenges.

  • @rebekahtennenbaum777
    @rebekahtennenbaum777 Год назад +1

    Yeah I always use them as a tiebreaker for when I can’t decide who I think should win

  • @daviduberhaus5336
    @daviduberhaus5336 Год назад +2

    Juju’s 3 in 1 look was so bad even she was shocked about the win 😂

  • @geckohunter123
    @geckohunter123 Год назад +4

    I learned runways didn’t matter when Tatianna won snatch game wearing a tube top from F21.

    • @song7087
      @song7087 Год назад

      same as Jinkx and saying that as her big fan tho

  • @zalkkareita9017
    @zalkkareita9017 Год назад +2

    I think that at least on first 2 seasons the runway mattered as much if not sometimes even more than the actual challenge, queens would have most of their critiques about what they were wearing instead of how they did in the challenge. This could also be result of those seasons having a pretty small budget so that the maxi challenges weren't the focuspoint of the entire show like they are now.

  • @grossetchoin
    @grossetchoin Год назад +3

    Unfortunately, I feel like runways are really up to the production to either use it or ignore it, for the better or the worst.

  • @JcIIIpr
    @JcIIIpr Год назад +10

    If Drag Race was fair (and we know it's not) they would have a rubric and scoring method to judge the queens main challenge and runway, and I think it should be around 60%-40%, respectively. They could even factor in make up, overall presentation as part of the scoring system. Other drag competitions do this. (Such as LDQSY)

  • @LucyLu_meztli
    @LucyLu_meztli 11 месяцев назад

    Loved this! Thank you Drag Detective! ❤
    Imo, runway doesn’t matter when production already has picked their favs 😘😎

    • @LucyLu_meztli
      @LucyLu_meztli 3 месяца назад

      aka runways matter when it fits with production’s design for the season

  • @birdloaf2117
    @birdloaf2117 Год назад +2

    Off Topic: I was always confused as to why Kerri kept on the Versace dress for the lip sync, especially when she knew that if she were to damage it, she would be screwed.
    I can only assume it didn't come to mind at the time to change her outfit, or that she asked production if she could change, but they just said "no."
    Also did anyone notice that he said that Chi Chi did Patty LuPone in the Diva's Live challenge?

    • @harleyquinn3346
      @harleyquinn3346 Год назад +1

      Production probably said no. If i'm not mistaken queens can't change their look on regular seasons.

    • @mataflores4683
      @mataflores4683 Год назад

      lmao yes i caught the patty lupone!! its the lack of culture peeking thru

    • @icannot1104
      @icannot1104 Год назад +1

      Sis. Did kahmora change against Denali? Its production

  • @arcadiabunny1842
    @arcadiabunny1842 Год назад +2

    Whatever you do doesn't matter in the show. They will pull any string to save you, if you are productions favorite

  • @cakes3958
    @cakes3958 Год назад +2

    Gigi is the ultimate production fav.

  • @19nmiller1
    @19nmiller1 Год назад +7

    15:15 I remember this runway critique super well because they acted like Gigi had one of the greatest looks of all time. It really confused me because yeah, it is just a bikini. Whereas Jan looked incredible and had the recreation down, but they kinda glossed over it to praise Gigi more. I'm really glad you pointed it out because I literally felt gaslit after that episode lol

  • @dawlish81a
    @dawlish81a Год назад

    “Yes … yes I will” added to my Rolodex of quotes …

  • @carlosbenjaminturner5123
    @carlosbenjaminturner5123 Год назад

    Ooh, I thought you wanted to start with S09 because of Miss Peppermint It Is Fashion *BUUUUUURRRRPP!!!* 😂😂😂

  • @Danidonehoo
    @Danidonehoo Год назад +11

    Ive never understood people thinking that Monet could have won Snatch Game, it was pretty much a safe performance. There we’re just some people who were not as good.

    • @user-ke5rt3ji8c
      @user-ke5rt3ji8c Год назад +4

      U mean the s10 snatch game? How can u say her maya angelou was safe? Ur a hater if u actually mean that because u can see how much she was funny and how much ru was laughing. Is she supposed to be the winner? No. But it’s not safe😂

    • @icannot1104
      @icannot1104 Год назад

      Here yall go again 😂

    • @Danidonehoo
      @Danidonehoo Год назад

      @@user-ke5rt3ji8c i didnt personally find it that funny, and I dont see how everyone else thinks she could have won it. Im coming from a place of curiosity, not hate.

    • @user-ke5rt3ji8c
      @user-ke5rt3ji8c Год назад

      @@Danidonehoo how do u not find it funny but find may west or bjork funny when all of them are copying characters u didn’t know about? It’s giving undercover hater

    • @Danidonehoo
      @Danidonehoo Год назад +1

      @@user-ke5rt3ji8c i just didnt find it funny, and i dont see how other people think she could have won. I get if you found it super funny, but i didnt get winner material in any sense of the word. Okurr.

  • @NkdRollMat
    @NkdRollMat Год назад +3

    I honestly think the Season 10 snatch game is THE episode to look at for runway importance in the later seasons- I think Monet loses any chance she has of winning after being in the top with the two best looks on that runway with Aquaria and Eureka (imo Aquaria was the best that week in the challenge but I can see arguments for all three winning)
    On the other hand, with the bottom three who all probably deserved to lipsync, Asia had the only look that really lived up to the theme, we know Monique made her runway in the workroom and The Vixen's look looked like it could have been made there as well tbh, so we see them in the bottom two.
    But atop that, there's the whole conversation of how Asia could even have lip synced with the prosthetic/mask as you would not be able to see her lips if it stayed on, and we saw in the next episode that when she takes the face off, there's no makeup underneath and a... unfortunately placed black line looking like a moustache. I think it's worth adding the caveat of when a queen's outfit actually stops them from being able to lip sync, because if you ask me, on challenge alone Asia and Vixen should have been the bottom two due to the interplay of their characters.

    • @mataflores4683
      @mataflores4683 Год назад +1

      exactly, i always think about how asia's look saved her from the bottom but also probably production realizing she couldn't lipsync and wanting to save her. but also yea, i think monique was just as bad as asia and vixen

  • @sinhueherrera8984
    @sinhueherrera8984 Год назад +4

    That kasha davis dress was just HORRIBLE, I don’t understand why she keeps on bringing all those ugly clothes, like nobody told her? Or she didn’t ask for advice or anything? There’s no way nobody saw that ugly skirt before the runway
    She could’ve been without a bottom and just wear it as a body seguir and it would’ve been fine, but that skirt and shoes really looked so out of place

  • @Aksanadia
    @Aksanadia Год назад +1

    Kerri belonged in the bottom of the episode in the J-Lo dress, I get that there are queens off TV who don't sew, make outfits and buy expensive shit. but to have a bunch of work done on your face/body and just be pretty and put on something a celebrity wore in the past isn't ''Drag for drag race'' she is STILL 100% a valid queen if she choose to identify with them but it was ridic that she would be kept from the bottom based on runway

  • @vbittencourt
    @vbittencourt Год назад +2

    You said it, it only matters when they want it to.

  • @thedallasryan
    @thedallasryan Год назад +8

    Personally, I wouldn’t say that Kasha was the clear winner in that challenge. She did good but other queens were as good (if not better) than her in my opinion while also having solid runways.

  • @Caroleeena
    @Caroleeena Год назад +4

    Patti LaBelle. Chi Chi rocked out as Patti LaBelle. It would have been interesting to see her try her hand at Patti Lapone though!

  • @TruCentrinoTech
    @TruCentrinoTech Год назад +2

    If they want a fashion queen to win, runways matter, when they want a comedy queen to win, runways don't. If there's a direct correlation between the type of winner and runway value, there is no rule of thumb.

  • @louism6182
    @louism6182 Год назад +2

    I just feel that runway matter when it fit their narrative.
    Many details dont matter when they like the queen too.
    They really didnt like Vanjie looks 'cause it was all the same, but it dont matter for Kandy right now.
    They didnt say a thing about Sasha wigs lace showing or real hair poking through. Other queens would have been rip to shreds.

  • @SincerelyFromStephen
    @SincerelyFromStephen Год назад +1

    The runway pretty much always comes in second for me in terms of importance. Unless the runway is the challenge. You could walk out in different colored plastic boxes for each runway and I wouldn’t mind as long as you’re talented in the challenges

  • @bluntasiaalize1688
    @bluntasiaalize1688 Год назад +1

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt like Kasha's Net Gala look wasnt that bad

  • @BaaFoKeemb
    @BaaFoKeemb Год назад +1

    Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the stage : Drag Time Story Hour

  • @Je-suis-une-dolly
    @Je-suis-une-dolly Год назад +1

    I think runways matter, whenever production wants them to matter.. like to justify saving a production favourite or to justify putting someone in the bottom when they don’t care for that queen.

  • @tonytheparamorestan
    @tonytheparamorestan Год назад +3

    just like with every aspect of this show, if you are not giving the production a good storyline that makes you worth saving, you are not gonna make it far

  • @pengoschwortz4734
    @pengoschwortz4734 Год назад +2

    It should matter every week but realistically it only matters when producers need to rig

  • @kevinjohnson806
    @kevinjohnson806 Год назад

    Also Bom Bae for CDR on Snatch Game! Even Brooke was like "But that RUNWAY LOOK" and they gagged. As such, she was only Low!

  • @alyssarichards2939
    @alyssarichards2939 Год назад +1

    Let’s not forget when kameron Michaels wore that GORGE runway for the tap that app challenge that saved her from the bottom.. all 3 bottoms that episode were deserved but kameron’s runway SAVED her drastically

    • @ohandthefracking
      @ohandthefracking Год назад +1

      Mayhem also had a really beautiful gown to be honest, but i am also on opinion that Mayhem/Yuhua were clear bottom 2

    • @garnement.845
      @garnement.845 Год назад

      I mean how are we supposed to forget, it's literally in the video..

  • @maxsmith3025
    @maxsmith3025 Год назад

    hi! sorry if you already did this but could you do or recommend me a vid about miz cracker and why she lost the fandom??? i didn’t think she was necessarily bad on her season. i felt like i was getting content of her all the time and now i miss her

  • @onyx4875
    @onyx4875 Год назад

    Chi chi as Patti Lupone 🤣🤣🤣

  • @clairmac
    @clairmac Год назад +1

    I can't agree with Ms. Kasha Davis being robbed Jimbo's runway was beyond amazing and the performance was great. So Jimbo deserved the win

  • @luisadriano8783
    @luisadriano8783 Год назад +1

    Wow! The first one here, 20 seconds after it was released!

  • @mspersonunknowable
    @mspersonunknowable Год назад

    Busted queens! I L💜VE it !! 😸

  • @hillthekhore
    @hillthekhore Год назад +1

    omg... patti lupone. XD

  • @Cat_Woods
    @Cat_Woods Год назад +1

    I really appreciate you defending Akeria and Kasha.

  • @a.r.2280
    @a.r.2280 Год назад

    I’m still waiting for season 15 videos u promised 😅.

  • @ezemilionis7842
    @ezemilionis7842 Год назад

    When I judge Drag Race episodes I do it as if the runway's highest ranking queen gets half of the points of the amount of queens. Like, if the queen is the worst gets a 0.5, if she's the second worse one, gets 1 point, and so on. And I add that to the points I gathered from the maxi Challenge, in which the minimum is 1 point, then 2, and like that. I think it's fair, because it can really affect for good or for bad, but the spotlight still is on the challenge performance. I mean, they bring all these expensive costumes, their DRAG, literally who they are, to be ignored? You can't just rely on looks, of course, but make it make sense.
    There is no explicit saying in this so they can manipulate placements as they please, nothing new.
    I think judging with numbers, rankings and marks is the fairest option, tho I know there are things that just can't be judged this way, so always open to change.
    Although pre Season 9 or so, looks were kind of pedestrian drag, weren't made from designers and was more of what they wore to the club, so low key they didn't really matter back then (also there were more sewing challenges so we could focus on fashion in other ways)
    I kinda miss when teir packages weren't perfectly crafted from the jump and a lil round the edges, and it would be super satisfying when arriving to All Stars all finessed and polished.

  • @ccdaly2561
    @ccdaly2561 Год назад

    THANK YOU.

  • @lindsey4618
    @lindsey4618 Год назад

    I always feel like the runways matter to some extent but are secondary to your challenge performance. If it’s down between two awesome queens for the challenge win, and one has a runway that stands out as particularly good or bad, that could affect who wins. Same with bottoms - you might have a few bottom queens who did equally bad in the challenge and if one of them has an outstanding runway, it might save them from having to lip sync; or a terrible runway might solidify their place in the bottom 2. But I definitely have never seen the runways as having as much weight as the challenge.
    I see that as the general rule for how much runways matter - but we all know they will matter more or less depending on what production thinks will yield a better outcome for tv or their storyline that they’re pushing.

  • @_spicy_pisces_7507
    @_spicy_pisces_7507 Год назад

    When you called chichi as patty label patty lupine I lost it😭😂😂

  • @jpmedina8328
    @jpmedina8328 Год назад +1

    They should, but its honestly on producers for not being more consistent about it. Also, if queen X and Y did a winning performance then the one in the better look deserves the win more imo. This was the Jimbo vs Kasha situation to me.

  • @ajaythewallflower
    @ajaythewallflower Год назад

    21:24 chi chi was portraying patti labelle, not lupone