So this means the DJI Mavic 2 PRO can film 4K 60FPS
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Note** at 3:39 the text is supposed to say “I hope the compression of RUclips DOESN’T ruin this example”
If DJI has been upscaling 2.7K to look like 4K 30fps in FOV mode, then how close in comparison is 2.7K 60fps upscaled.
You can confidently film 2.7K 60fps on a 4K timeline and your shots will be as good as DJI's '4K FOV'.
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Great video! I never really compared the 2.7k 60p to the 4k 30p on my m2p,I never really used 60p as i assumed it would be quite a step down in quality, I will be using it a lot more now!
Glad you enjoyed it.
I agree, I think that having to pixel peep at 800% to try and see a 1-3% difference clearly shows its 100% usable in a 4K video.
It’s not exactly taking every second line, it’s called pixel binning so instead of taking every pixel then downscaling(this should’ve been the way they deal with the oversize sensor but DJI said the processor they had was not powerful enough) that it’s taking some parts of the sensor so that the total number of pixels is still 8MP(4K) however as the sensor is actually 5.5K so there’s some pixels which are going to be discarded(binned) so interpolation has to be done in order to fill some of the area missing from the recorded data. This interpolation which can also be called upscaling can cause the image to look softer as some of the details aren’t recorded but instead is a average colour value from nearby pixels. That’s the reason why the crop one is much more sharp as it’s actually taking every single pixel. Plus, the extra processing required for the interpolation also means that it cannot spend as much CPU power encoding the footage which is why it cannot record 4K 60fps. Basically, the camera is completely capable of doing that but the processor on the drone is not powerful enough.
Correct, based on the fact it’s 5.5k they basic went to every second pixel and didn’t record because of the professor. Regarding HQ mode, correct the full pixel read out is much clearer, I did a video on an exact crop comparison - ruclips.net/video/ch_eipQZUV8/видео.html
main reason they say it's overheating of camera/sensor assembly if full pixel readout is used., if i remeber correctly (ot it was elaborated by som online revews etc). phantom 4 pro cameraassembly is much bigger, so no problems with that..
GREAT COMPARISON !!! I have a friend that recorded the SAME VIDEO on his P4P in 4k 60fps and I recorded my M2P in 2.k 60fps and you can't really tell EVEN IN ZOOM !!! so yes you are correct !!!! I thought i was the only one that was scratching my head.
So it seems they’ve been doing the exact same marketing saying the P4P is 4K 60
I wonder if it’s a recording limit due to a processor.
Well at least we know if you know 4K 60fps you don’t have to feel bad because you don’t own a P4P.
Appreciate letting me know about the test you did.
Great video. 2.7 k 4k 60 indeed is looking far more superior then the 4k 30
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Guess 30fps is def good enough for me. I couldn’t tell the difference. Thanks for the vid although at 3:44 4K is clearly sharper imo.
You’re welcome, so if you ever need slow mo, don’t hesitate to film 60 FPS and slow it down.
thank you! I use 120fps in 1080p for slowmo. Thanks again.
@@cuuppaajoe I feel like I lost a lot of quality shooting at 120fps. I had moire everywhere and a lot of noise in shadows, and everything looked soft. Have. you experienced this?
Bear Hand Productions I havent tried 120 frames per second because 30 frames per second is definitely good enough for me when I’m in the air. Everything is moving so slow after all
This video needed to be made. Thanks for calling out the discrepancy. I love DJI drones, but they need to stop flexing their "on paper" specs just to want to edge out their competition. The hardware needs to validate the marketing, not the other way around. Great job.
Thank you!
Really glad you followed along, I know it upset a few people but I don’t think they fully followed along or jumped to conclusion.
I have to agree with you, to have to zoom into 800% to spot a difference is clear that all the footage is the same resolution.
Did a test from 4K to HD with the GH5...mind blown, so yeah DJIs marketing here definitely got the best of us lol
i didn't know they were upscaling 2.7k and calling it 4k. im a bit miffed at that
Yeah true story...quite shocking.
In the 3 view comparaison of the house, I see better details on the 4k footage
Keep in mind that we are at 600/800% crop in which is overkill. Also RUclips’s compression definitely destroys each clip differently to the other, and the details in certain sections look better in various clips. I also may lean towards the 4K (upscale DJI 2.7K) as an overall, but there are a lot of instances were the normal 2.7K looks better. With that said I don’t think even a 4K 85 inch TV the difference would be noticeable.
RICH Photography, I agree with you, just a feeling when I saw the video ;-)
I think this “upscale” 4K in FOV mode is just like the marketing with the 48mp photo from the new Mavic Air 2...only in JPEG, not in RAW. It’s like they never give you the real thing, there’s always a side line marketing strategy.
Great work on this appreciate the info and insights!!
Only a pleasure! 👌
You put words to my assumptions, ive been experimenting with different frame rates and resolutions for a while and use 2.7k 60 quite a bit.
Great insight and explanation…
Glad it was helpful, Ive seen quite a few people not really catch the point :)
Good info. Thanks for that.
Still clickbait though. You can’t justify clickbait by saying “well dji do it”. 😂😂😂
So filming at 60fps could be good to slow it down.
Correct, if you on a 24p timeline, you could slow it down to 40%. Which is great for close moving objects.
if you have the sight and you know what to look for with this comparisons, you can clearly see the difference:
4K 30FPS / good: highest resolution (shindle edges on the roof) bad: low framerate, mid compression artifacts
2.7K 60FPS / good: highest framerate (slow motion capabilities) bad: lower resolution, highest compression artifacts (look @ all shots)
2.7K 30FPS / good: lowest compression artifacts (1st shot: wall, 2nd shot: everything) bad: lower resolution, low framerate
*the reason the compression artifacts might look worse in some cases 2.7K 30FPS vs 4K 30FPS, is due to the lower resolution of 2.7K, 4K has smaller compression artifact pixels they are harder to see
But remember the 4K is actually 2.7k. The Mavic 2 Pro ONLY films 4K in HQ mode and not in FOV mode.
Also...I think RUclips’s compression destroys the video making the comparison not exactly an easy comparison like the raw footage on my computer. And in saying that, we are pixel peeping at 400 to 800% which will never be noticed at 100%.
@@RICH_Photography Sorry to correct you: 4K FOV is a 4K image taken off the whole 5.5K image sensor, via pixelbinning and line skipping. 4K HQ is a 4K image take via a crop from 5.5K image sensor. No the 4K is not 2.7K - check the website - check in the manual - check the info on youtube
4K FOV / good: wider field of view, due sampling of the whole sensor bad: lost detail, due to pixelbinning and line skipping.
4K HQ / good: true detail, due to 1:1 pixel readout bad: narrower field of view, due to 4K image beeing takend from the center region of the sensor
Reach out to DJI, pixel binning is due to recording only every 2nd pixel, taking the 5.5k straight to 2.7k and “upscaling” with some magic. So FOV is not actually 4K, only HQ mode is. I’ve done a test with this and it’s so clear that FOV is not 4K - ruclips.net/video/ch_eipQZUV8/видео.html
@@RICH_Photography could you provide the official statement from DJI? in the meantime you might wanna check this thread from the dji website: forum.dji.com/thread-167744-1-1.html
just looked at the video, your looking at two 4K files side by side:
1. is 4K HQ - good detail and sharper lines, due to a crop portion of the sensor being read out pixel by pixel
2. is 4K FOV - bad detail and blurrier lines, due to the full sensor read out 5472×3648(4:3) pixel > then reducing the image to 5472x3078(16:9) pixels, via line skipping (cutting off top and bottom portions of the image) > then reducing the image to 3840×2160(16:9) pixels, via pixel binning (here is where you get confused about the word "binning". it has nothing to do with "bin" - "throwing pixels away"). pixel binning is to combine pixels! while combining pixels you are reducing the resolution. therein lies the problem with the mavic 2 pro is that the processing is poorley done, due to small size and price. voila. at no stage in the process does the resolution dip under 4K!
This means i can film in 2.7 k and ipscale it to 4k and its the same resoulution ???
Im confused
Im very confused
Well basically that’s what DJI is doing with some apparent magic.
I think a lot boils down to how good something looks at 2.7k before it’s so called “upscaled” to 4K.
I'm not an expert , but I said almost the same thing in the Comment in some of the videos people posted on RUclips, people keep saying ( the best setting camera on mavic 2) there are no settings Capable of change the truth the the camera is piece of crab , That's why I sold my magic 2 pro , thanks for this awesome video
You’re welcome! I truly think it’s one of the reason Inspire 2 and Phantom 4 Pro users can’t move over even due to its size.
A friend of mine has a DJI PRO 2. Problem is, he sets it up to 4K 30 fps, but when he download the footage is only 1920x1088 and full of glitching, so it's not useable. I'm not a drone user so I don't know why is this happening. What are your suggestion? THX
Honestly, it sounds like it could be the memory card being too slow to write the full file...what SD card is he using?
@@RICH_PhotographyI don't know what card he used. I told him to buy a fast card. My 7III tels me if I put in a slower card, won't even let me push record in 4k. I think the drone should do the same thing. I will check his card soon. Thx for the reply
Tech is a strange thing, it is a possibility that it writes a smaller file...not 100% sure what they do with slow cards however if you eliminate the possibility of a slow card that means there’s other things to look at.
Sounded like star trek to me.
With a 5.5K sensor, why didn't DJI just have it shoot in 5.5k @24fps and 4K @60fps?
Also lugging a phantom up a mountain to film skiers and bikers is a pain in the arse...
As for the Mavic 3 I guess now they gotta compete with the Autel EVO II and it's 8K sensor
There’s 2 possible reasons.
1. The processor isn’t strong enough to do it, could also affect battery life, heating is a problem too however these things never seem to have cooling problems.
2. The most obvious...marketing, they gotta sell us a Mavic 3 😂
Had the Autel Evo II and it was TERRIBLE! Returned it less than 5 days after I bought it. So much marketing snake oil with these dudes. The overall image wasn't anywhere near as good as my Phantom 4 Pro V2. Not to mention the horizon on the Autel was curved, with no way of fixing it. Ugh. Lost $400 on that one due to restocking fee from the retailer I bought it from. Can't say I'd go back to Autel until they optimize things a bit more.
FOV mode? You mean “Full FOV” mode?
Seems like the big 1" sensor is a waste if you use the 4k HQ and it's only using 1/4 of it. Is this why my M2Z images are as sharp as my M2P with its lowly 1/2.3" sensor? If true, all we gain with M2P is 10 bit Dlog and we lose its advantages when uploading to YT?? Great video BTW!
nope, you're using 1:1pixel in crop(kind of zoom, which is nice if needed) mode, which is much much bigger than ones from 1/2.3 for ex., that means much better tonality, light response, noise, shadows etc. it have been proved tested over and over on youtube etc
all footage from small sensors is digitally over sharpened, don't mixed this with true detail resolution of sensor/camera.
Interesting, though I'd probably just record in 30fps and interpolate the footage to get 60fps
So early that I can only watch the video in 360p
Gonna have to give it a few minutes lol then you can watch it in 4K, early crew is fresh I see! 👌
It’s ready for you in 4K now 👌
@@RICH_Photography perfect I'll watch it again👌
well said!
Wait.... mavic pro 2 4K isn’t a real 4K ? Is just 2.7k upscaled ?
In FOV mode yes. So when your camera is at its widest it's technically 2.7k upscaled and not actual 4K like in HQ mode.
RICH Photography so HQ mode is real 4K ?
Correct, only HQ mode.
RICH Photography dammit! I just fly in 4K fov mode!!!! I got better distance perception in fov mode and in HQ I have to be further away from the subject to have it all in frame and I often have objects behind :/ Im used to fly fpv racing/freestyle drones, I have mavic for a year and I have flown with him many times but I still have difficulty with the perception of distance between objects :/
Honestly HQ is really difficult to do close shots or low shots. HQ is way better for bigger orbits to create that parralax feel.
im confused lol so our mavic pro 2s are not true 4k or?
Nice drone bro i need one drone
Thank you! I do love it, wish I could fly it more, but it always feels so wrong, people look at you like you’re a criminal when you have a drone 😂
excuse me, where is the 60p footage? can you share somewhere? i love 60p
Did you watch the video, the ‘60p’ footage is in the video as explained?
@@RICH_Photography sorry, i made a search for "mavic air 2 4k 60p" and youtube listed this video. lol
LoL no problem, youtube doing their best 😂
4k has less ailiasing and moire
i can see better detail in 4k samples. what's the problem?
The crop in on details is 600% and 800% which is ludicrous to marginally MAYBE see a difference when played at full resolution. If you watch the entire video the explanation makes sense.
@@RICH_Photography there's clearly better detail definition in your 4k upscale samples. the whole video is about details/resolution right?
Correct. Possibly the RUclips compression affecting it, but in the RAW files at 800% the details are so small. In actual fact the video was about DJI not actually giving 4K FOV, it’s only an upscaled 2.7K exactly as the 2.7K 60fps is done. Hence why the quality at 800% is almost identical.
@@RICH_Photography again, what i'm saying that details are better in 4k at 600 or 800% in same crop and not almost identical.
Could be the RUclips compression then, because in the RAW files when I compare my side it is so close, also, to have to zoom in 600% to see a difference is quite a good example that there is almost no difference. All 3 first wide shots (no crop) are all so identical, on a 5K 27inch monitor you cannot see a single difference. It’s a clear example that DJI is just up scaling 2.7k in FOV as they state.
I'll have to look what I filmed my latest DJI Mavic 2 Pro video in - I've uploaded as 4k (ruclips.net/video/GV5fkGHlUzE/видео.html) but unsure if it was 30FPS or 60 FPS.