Jane's Addiction - "Been Caught Stealing" Inside the Song w/ Dave Jerden
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Which song would YOU love to hear about? We'll see what we can do! ;)
Jane Says!
It would be great to hear Dave talk about the making of "Then she did" seeing it is such a "piece" by Jane's addiction, with the build up, tension, release etc. It's a great song with a lot of layers. And also how they where able to make those massive guitarsounds. Not only for this song, but for both albums in general.
Anything off of John Mellencamp's Scarecrow. Ry Cooter, Kenny Aronoff Rickie Lee Jones and so many other great players. And Don Gehman did such a great job getting powerful drum sounds without going as far as most of the drums in the 80's did.
Not sure if the people involved are available but any of what they now call NWOBHM, Maiden, Priest etc., I love the full guitar sound and natural drums of that time (not that I don't like scooped mid guitars and machine gun kicks also lol!)
Well..... my obvious awnser, Master of Puppets, Either Micheal Wagener or Flemming Rasmussen in your studio Warren. Should that ever happen Plz inforn me I will book the time off school and book a flight to L.A I wanna sit on your couch and just listen for that conversation lol.
In terms of Janes Addiction. I always thought they had one of the tightest rhythm sections in rock such a great band.
Eric Avery is hands down the best bass player of all time (at least in alt rock music)! He even auditioned for Tool and Metallica and didnt took the gig, because he'll be forever remembered for those magnificent first two JA albums! Up The beach, Ted, Three Days, Summertime... it's all about the octaves and repetition in his playing! Very punk rock/post punk! He's one of the few musicians you can tell by ear who's playing, like the Tony Allen of bass! Thanks Warren for these kind of videos!!
Yeah! Eric Avery is OFF The CHAIN KICKASS!!!
AGREED WHOLEHEARTEDLY!
Agreed 👍.
The guitar sound Dave Jerden got on Mountain Song on Nothings Shocking is just massive.
Agreed 100%!
Would love to see/hear how the Cure recorded Disintegration
Lullaby for the win
Yes please
WTF didn't this guy produce lol
Hi Friends, Dave Jerden is one of my best friends and mentors. Over the years I have learned many great things from him and it always a pleasure to sit down with him and talk music! In this episode we talk about Jane’s Addiction’s ‘Been Caught Stealing’ a masterpiece of a song! The first time I heard it I was blown away with its originality! I do hope you enjoy the video and please let me know what other songs you’d like to hear!
Produce Like A Pro would love to hear anything Nirvana
It's a killer of a song, indeed, and the quality of your content is stellar. As many songs by Big Star as you could manage. David Bowie, of course - any era. The songs on Paul Simon's Graceland. Depeche Mode. Soundgarden. Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie era Smashing Pumpkins. Southern Harmony era Black Crowes. The Pixies. Lee 'Scratch' Perry. The Minutemen.
And some specific songs: Dusty Springfield's Son of a Preacherman. Mannfred Mann's cover of Blinded by the Light. Kate Bush's Hounds of Love. Doors' Riders on the Storm.
@@meadish Just want to second basically every suggestion this person made.
His work with AIC was epic, too...chat with him about "Man In The Box", etc.?
Great video. I would love to see more from Dave about Jane’s. Maybe about Three Days, or about doing the album Nothing’s Shocking.
'Mics don't have eyes', 'bring in the gorilla'. Top tips!
The drum sounds Dave done on the Alice n Chains records -Facelift and Dirt -were epic!
I agree 100%!
"rock n roll is walking to the edge of the pier, and without hesitation, jumping off" brilliant. i wish bands still did that as often, instead of assembly-line fitting to plastic molds.
So tired of sampled drums, autotune, and everything snapped to the grid. I'm all for using the tools at your disposal, but at a certain point it doesn't sound human anymore. And it all sounds the same.
Glad to see my homeboy Eric Avery getting some well due deserved props and attention.
I’m a huge fan
Dave Jerden breaks my brain. When I watch him speak I expect him to say something completely preposterous and insane and then he says something I completely agree with, like troublingly so. When he said sound is simple, or easy, light is complicated. I was like "holy shnizzle!!!" :) I've used that expression myself. Dave Jerden might be the guy I didn't know was my favorite producer. I don't know if it would be possible but I'd love to see a "record drums with Dave Jerden" video.
RE: the guitar sound. I've always heard what sounds like an unplugged electric mixed in, and hearing the isolated tracks I hear it even more. Dave doesn't remember how he got that sound, but earlier in the interview he says he tracked exactly that for Stephen to drum along to. He must have saved that and mixed it in. What a fantastic song.
Dave Jerden produced so many of my favorite bands/albums. Jane's, Alice in Chains, Social Distortion, Dig, Fishbone, Mary's Danish. It's exciting to see how he got those sounds and performances.
One of the best rock albums of all time.
Amazing tips and I love Dave's quote, "The thing about music is, it's a great way to express yourself, not to copy somebody". Love it!
"sound is not a complicated thing as opposed to light" 5:03 Especially when you're wearing sunglasses indoors. :)
Brilliant. Was a massive Jane's fan back when I first heard my friend's copy of Nothing's Shocking that we picked up in Melrose in 1988 when I was a high school freshman. That band meant a great deal to me all the way through the Relapse tour (and maybe even the shows in 2001). I could watch you talk with Jerden for hours. Thanks for the video.
What makes that drum track groove work so good, sonically-speaking, is the inclusion of the hand-clap and the timing, thereof!
I think you are correct...thought the same thing...Simple...but perfect..
I’ve always wanted to see something like this series on RUclips. This is so awesome! Thank you!!
Hi Collin Kidd Thanks ever so much!
That was such an original song and production is still outrageous. Capturing that elusive energy happens once in a blue moon. Great interview and thanks for sharing your secrets Dave!
I've always said Eric Avery was the unsung hero of that band. You can tell all the songs are built off his bass grooves more or less.
The first day I got into Janes addiction all I read is how great Avery was
I’m a huge fan of Eric Avery! Such a wonderful player
This was definitely a good one. Dave is so Thorough about his techniques, and brutally honest at times ha. These inside the songs you do are pure gold. Truly amazing. Thank you!
Thank you Warren, those episodes with Dave are always amazing, can't get enough of this guys attitude, knowledge, insight, everything.
Hi Radek Wiejek thanks ever so much my friend!!
I am endowed with the vocabulary to tell how impressed I am with you . Every week , every video HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS !!!!!
Gilbert Spader thanks ever so much my friend! That’s very kind of you!
Warren & Dave, Thanks for the 14 Foot rule! Amazing!
Hi petascalecomputing thanks ever so much!!
I DARE you to do 3 Days with Jerden.. !!! Please..!!!
Absolutely, fingers crossed they do
@@jeffbarnes19fg76... Eh.. Jerden is cool but he is'nt THAT cool IMO. He probably does'nt even really get the tune. But he is a cool dude.
I could listen to Dave & watch Ozzy nap all day. Thanks, Warren!
Jane's at their peak were untouchable. Had there been a follow-up to Ritual, it would have been transcendent. Ritual already was. The whole '87 - '92 Alt era was insane.
No, it would of bombed or been just mediocre. The first porno album would of been the next Janes album give or take a few tracks.
@@Gcssdvnkloiutesc Respectfully disagree. Sonically, technically, and atmospherically, DiStefano couldn't touch Navarro and it's all that + compositionally, LeNoble couldn't touch Avery. Listen to any of the B-sides, bootlegs, and one-offs released from that '90-'91 era and the stuff is fire. Farrell's beef with Avery looks to have been 100% ego-driven and of course, the drug situation by '90-'91 was totally out of control, but we all lost for their breakup. '96 and subsequent reunions featured the antics but the continuity and songwriting were already over. And w/o Avery, Jane's Addiction simply isn't Jane's Addiction. Avery's writing and deep, ominous, baritonic assault could never be matched, either by PfP or Chris Chaney. I remember popping in PfP's first album and it was like everything else that followed the '87'-'92 explosion... weak and a pale imitation of what had proceeded it.
Love the song and band for more than 25 years.. eargasms to hear each track separately. Thanks once more Warren!!
Awesome. I wish you had asked him about Ritual vs Nothing's Shocking - RE: very different overall sound. I love both, but Ritual is really a masterpiece.
onemorebrando Art Alt.
Ritual is my favorite by far.
They’re both masterpieces
They’re all masterpieces in their own right and that’s probably why he never asked. Art is subjective and “everybody’s got their own opinion” about it.
"Whats his face from the Stones?, uh Keith?" What a legend. This guy Rock n' Rolls
Amazing video, Warren! Dave is a legend and for you have him on a few times now is a real treat! Lastly, thank you for interacting with your subscribers so much...it doesn’t go unnoticed. Cheers!
It really makes this whole channel, the support from Warren and the community. Dave is awesome, glad to see him a few times here lately.
Can we get a diagram of his drum micing technique or even a tutorial walkthrough to show us the bleed cancellation?
Aaron Austin I'd second that. A diagram would do just fine please.
I absolutely love how nerdy and detailed he gets! There’s not really a discussion on which frequencies to boost and how much gain reduction the compressors are doing on any instruments, it’s all organic about the philosophy behind the engineering. Love it! The foundations of everything he says is tried and true of any audio textbook and favourite record you can dive into, so you can see his knowledge of engineering; however, his creative ability to experiment and accept any possibility and be willing to throw it in is something I love! Get some cosmically random and inconsequential event like forgetting to kick out a dog’s toy from the vocal booth and suddenly you have a defining sound of a record.
I feel like his whole philosophy on music kinda fits together with a pretty interesting opinion on the universe (probably that “it just is” or something lol), would totally love to just hear this man talk for hours. Definitely making it a goal to get big enough to meet him one day lol
His view on having that reference miking technique is really good - kinda the same idea as reference mixes. And then you start draw the connections about how it’s all about creating a vibe with the music (and hopefully getting lost in the experience) and the references are there as guideposts of where to go in this experience to make it sonically translate the best as a mic setup or final mixdown or whatever you’re doing. Can’t wait for more!!
I love listening to this guy talking about the drum setup. D12 on the kick, 57's on the snare, 421's on the toms, c12's for overheads (c60's if you are on a budget), and Radio Shack PZM mics for the room. That was the tried and true short list I remember circa 1990. Yes, listen to guys like him. They know what they're talking about.
Cross between The Dude....and Joe Walsh
LMFAO.. PERFECT
Man ...this is the guy that gave us all that great music in perfect sound ... Thanks Dave
Thanks! Yes, wonderful
Eric and Stephen are awesome together.
Yes! They certainly are
“teaching music on the spot to someone is a waste of time” the dude... totally relatable
Agreed 100%!
Awesome man, awesome video! I don't think the Isleys ever recorded "Do You Love Me?", however. I think he's thinking of the original recording by The Contours.
It helps having a list of professional friends who have triumphed so many times in the studio, but I can't take anything away from the choices you are making with these vids; It's tunes that one's ears know so well and put a smile on your face when they come on. This one in particular has a dirty great big dance groove that slaps you in the face with attitude. Dave didn't just release the gorilla, he made the gorilla dance. I had to go off half way through and listen to the full tune. Marvelous
There was an unplugged electric guitar track on it too that mixed with the overdriven one.
I believe Dave recorded mostly with a 1990 Laser Blue Ibanez 770. The same one he played in the “Stop” video, and a Marshall JCM 900 100w Dual Reverb. At least the overdriven guitar parts.
I love this series. You ask some excellent questions. Your excitement and passion for music and recording is contagious.
Great show, I love Jane’s. I’m a the “savages dancing around the fire pit image too for that band” Jane’s is primevil sounding to me.
My daughter was about 5 in the 90’s when this came out & would say “ play the doggie barking record”. Happy memories of that band
The barking woke up the doggie on the sofa.
Clay LaHatte
Thank God, I thought it was dead👍🏻👍🏻
there's lots of storys of peoples dogs taking note of that bark...or in there 'lingo' ARF'! ARF...
Warren, these video's are so cool! Thank you so much!!! Have a great week buddy!
Hi James Cassidy Thanks ever so much my friend!!
@@Producelikeapro I appologize Warren, I asked a question before I got to the end of the video in which you clarified it with Dave! I deleted my question! I definately want to try double mic the tom's the next rock record I do!
Years ago I experimented with a different cymbal mic'ing technique to get more direct control over the cymbals and placing them in the stereo field more precisely. I wanted more focus on the cymbals than could be achieved with using 2 overheads. With 2 overheads the cymbals always seemed to be more distant and had too much of the drums in them. I placed my Nady large diaphragm mics over each cymbal about a foot above the cymbal pointing straight down. I had more channels to mix but the focus of the cymbals was so much better and richer sounding than the overheads that I now use this technique exclusively. The drums and cymbals now sound much tighter and present with more control in the stereo field. When I heard Dave talk about his cymbal mic'ing using the same technique, I felt a validation with my experiment that worked for me. To know a top level engineer used the same technique was awesome. Thanks for these types of interviews Warren, they are very enlightening and informative.
I'd give my left leg to be his apprentice. Loved this video.
Hi nic mcv I was blessed to have learned from Dave!
Produce Like A Pro Warren, which leg did YOU give? ha! Love your videos, keep them coming.
“Sent the hairs down the back of my spine” For real Brotherman!
"the philosophy of wrong" what a great concept, very inspiring, great episode!
Watched both the Dave Jerden videos today -- these are great. What colorful discussions! The "Inside the Song" videos are fun to watch and musically inspiring. Thanks, Warren & Dave.
I love the way Dave speaks. It reminds me of Joe Walsh, only a lot more on topic...
Lol good call
I kept thinking of Tommy Chong
Would love to see a video explaining exactly what he means with the top and bottom micing the snare and all toms with bleed reduction as a result!!
Listen to it on Jane’s addiction
Interview Ken Scott and do anything by Supertramp. Regardless if it's music most of your viewers dig, the sound separation in those mixes is AMAZING!
Brandon Kraemer yeah, give a little bit. Guitar recorded in the lift.
I love that Dave knows the science behind sound but still produces great art. I would love to be a fly on the wall of one of his sessions.
Thanks ever so much Alan!
Ah, this will be fun! Can't wait to listen this evening 😊
Fantastic Warren- the One and Only Dave Jerden one of the True Masters..
The first night I moved to LA in 1987 , I saw Janes open for Drama Rama in Long Beach-
havent been the same since! Cheers Mate!
Another great look behind the glass Warren! I really liked Dave's take on recording drums, especially his comments about OH drum mics and how the drums should be treated as a single instrument. He makes so much sense. I've always been perplexed why so many engineers put the OH's way up high. Dave has a wealth of experience and he's very open about sharing it. Hopefully some of the younger aspiring engineers can learn from what he has to offer.
Those drums are unbelievable. They almost sound like samples they're so crisp.
This was great to watch! Dave Jerden is a master and Janes Addiction my favorite band. Thanks Warren and Dave for doing this. Cheers. :-)
One of the best rock albums of all time.
HIs dog..
And that he remembers Perry's dog's name...
Warren & Dave, Thanks for the 14 Foot rule! Amazing!
Thankyou for sharing this. Dave is one of the best recording engineer's in the business.
What an honor it must've been to sit and chat with him. Especially, about Jane's Addiction.
Mr. Jack Endino is another gentleman I admire and respect.
I was in Seattle visiting a good friend and we went out to lunch at an outdoor cafe.
She suddenly stands and says, "Ill be right back Kat".
I look over to see her sitting and talking with Jack Endino. 😳 lol
New Subscriber.
I got caught stealing this album when I was a kid. Is that ironic? Maybe just moronic.
Jason Foster don’t sell yourself short. it’s both.
Hahaha, I think any artist that glorifies or uses theft as subject would or should approve of the delivery medium being stolen. Irvine Welsh wrote a whole series of books including Trainspotting that had strong themes of theft, and I nicked every one of them.
Jason Foster
I saw the video on MTV,
the song was kinda inviting
you to steal the album.,
and so I did 🤓
I love your stuff. As a engineer and producer who grew up in the 90's Rap and Hip Hop are some of my favorite genre's.
I know the Mixing community doesn't have the best opinions of people from these genre's but I was hoping you may cover some songs from there at some point?
Stuff like Eminem's Bezerk produced by Rick Rubin would be amazing... Jay Z I know has worked with legendary engineers as well.
Idk think about it! Love your work man. thank you
Brad Szyperski thoughts on the drum beat?
These Inside the songs are great! thanks!
Hi davetbassbos thanks ever so much!!
Outstanding! I could listen to this guy all day. A few tip bombs were dropped...hope they found their targets.
Thanks Warren, I'm just a musician that dabbles in recording & mixing but my mixes don't sound like garage demos on a cassette that's been left in a hot car anymore, thanks to this channel. Happy mixing everyone
and many, many thanks to Produce Like A Pro! Content even a musician can digest.
Warren & Dave, Thanks for the 14 Foot rule! Amazing!
One of the best rock albums of all time.
My best Inside series !! Thanks Dave Jerden!!!
He started to tell you about breaking the drums down into what they really are, and you changed the subject?!
He does that too much
Excellent insight into Jane's and the recording aspects. Admitting my age I remember when Ritual came out and I think Stop! was absolutely the best tune by them and a great way to start an album. SO MANY THINGS going on in that song for an engineer and a producer to juggle and it was mixed with perfection. Always my go to track when I listen to them.
Thanks for exploring and sharing.
Dave knows Exactly how a good drum sound sounds like. That double snare is dope
prob my favorite engineer/producer vid ever. i know that album really well and always wondered how things were done because its loose, but loosely tight, and really interesting to listen to. great work
after talking to someone who knew him, he just said dave was a total asshole. oh well, kill your heros i guess
Jane’s Addiction was one of the first heavy alternative bands that came out with a really well produced and recorded album. We used to party quite a bit in those days and put on one of those records, we would just leave the planet and get lost in them.
I remember buying that from the record store. Great Album.
luckyrobotgamer DOGE Used to love the record buying ritual .... RIP vinyl
It was really cool to hear about the stacked vocals, and how the little discrepancies make the vocals sound like a crowd, and one of the main features of the new DAW's I am using is about lining up the vocals perfectly so they are stacked on top of each other. Which goes back into this recording being so good because it is "wrong"
Love this one. Sometimes you just gotta embrace the random. My band just finish up a session where we got my 6 year old in some of vocal takes because he just really wanted to be In there with our singer. It made the process a lot of fun for everyone and ended up fitting the bridge really well.
Absolutely 100% agree about the basketball kick drum sound! Nice to know I'm not alone in thinking that. :)
OMG. Warren thanks for all this info. Best music production chanel in the world!! Keep on the good work!
Hi Ajare Pink tanks ever so much my friend!!
Warren, I am really happy with the content you are bringing us, and I know that whatever you brings us it would be great, but if you admit any sugestions, hearing Mike Clink talk about “Apetite for destruction” would be awesome! Thanks again for all this content, it means a lot!
i remember trying to learn songs off nothing shocking in high school....this is so cool thanks guys for sharing this ...would love to learn more about your drum sounds dave...great work you guys
Great Episode!
Dude! You continue to bring the noise! Love it!
In it's day I used to call this one of my favorite modern songs. Now it's a classic. Still bad ass.
Epic!!! Such a great song. Cracking drum sound and that groove is awesome! Loving the Dave Jerden words of wisdom... learn by doing and don’t be afraid to ask. Thanks for sharing Warren. This “Inside the song” series is brilliant!
Either your coming out with gold, or we got the same taste in music Warren. Or both!
Really appreciate this series, i really get to live in the music. These videos on the songs live up to the songs magic itself Warren, cheers.
Utterly brilliant. Being a big fan of Jane's this really hit the spot. Always thought the dog was a sample. And nice to see the pooch in the studio as well. Needs a name check on the next vid.
The little dog is a real cutie. You've heard the expression, golden ears. Dogs have very good HF hearing. When they perk up, you're doing well. Shhhhh! Don't tell anyone this secret.
I've seen Jane's live twice, both were great shows
Great video...legendary producer engineer...I think they took all their avant garde ideas and put them aside for this hit which just bebops along. Navarro chicken picking came at the right time. It was like a crazy 60s dance pop song gone modern
Brilliant album! They were so talented, what an impact...
HIs dog..
And that he remembers Perry's dog's name...
Thank you so much for all of these episodes! Love your entire channel! Keep doing more with Jerden and can you bring Andy Wallace?!
I love this interview. Especially when you guys start explaining the physics behind drum miking like the 9dB rule. The one technique I would love to all the details of is the double hi-hat mic technique. What’s the theory how you handle eq, compression and signal chain into the mix. It has to be the one area where I really struggle the most trying to get hats - open and closed - to sound right and sit well in my mixes
I have to say I next to this song but God what an amazing production. Baseline is just sick.
Massive respect to both you gents. Terrific lesson!
Sylvia Massey - Anything from Tool's Undertow!
These are so informative. Thanks for doing them!
Could You PLEASE do an actual drum miking technique a la Dave Jerden on real drums? That would be awesome! Cheers from Germany
That lump on the couch has heard so many hits he cant even be bothered!
The acoustics is just brilliant.
For a room mic I would take my microphone stand with a 2 mic attachment I would use 2 sm58s and I would walk around the room and when I found the best sound I would plop the microphones exactly where my ears would be at the same height of my ears and at the same angle of my ears. Best live room mic sound I ever captured
Thank you for the work you do Warren. Great song, great interview!
I've got to try these mic techniques... killer interview with real world applications that work... Love it! Jane''s addiction - kick ass groove - even on my crappy lap top speakers!