FWD vs RWD: Peugeot RCZ-R vs Nissan 370z Nismo
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Can the new FWD Peugeot RCZ-R beat the RWD Nissan 370z Nismo on track? Read our review here: bit.ly/1b3kIBX
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Love the Peugeot. Stylish yet fast. Keep these fast cars coming Peugeot!
+Jezze90 u are funny :D
Narrator: “they didn’t”
well that's surprising. respect for peugeot!
Of course the winner is Peugeot RCZ-R
Nothing beats driving a car hard on the track while providing commentary. Prefer that to a review any day.
considering the power difference, the RCZ R did VERY well,
I'm surprised about the RCZ, I'd always assumed it was just for posing, but the R version here looks pretty good. Nice to hear a professional driver doing a comparison review without once using the word 'weapon' to describe a car too.
Amazing how this dude drives and talks while he's driving and actually saying what he is doing, and what are the specifications of the cars.. Born to do that.. Good job!
That .40 of a second could've been prevented if you didn't redline -_-
I own one it revs so quickly its hits the limiter so quickly
@@sjm.photos hows the mileage?
@@kresimircosic9035 as in mpg? About 35 to 46 mpg average mines at 76000 miles now and still going strong
@@sjm.photos not terrible not great, but I like the car for a sunday drive. Bet it is very different since it is light and small.
The handling of the Peugeot was impressive on the wet track.
RCZ LOVE ❤️
Surprising I never thought It would be that close!
Peugeot FTW. What a huge accomplishment for a car with so many disadvantages. I'd take it any day over the Nissan. Cool.
Rcz is cool
Nice review yet clutch seems a little sticky on the Peugeot which is a better car despite being FWD, as it's tuned like a race car yet with the magical touch only Peugeot can provide regarding comfort ride combined with unmatched agility.
Congratulations Auto Express! I would never have thought of comparing these two cars and you rightly did so, in a quite interesting and informative video. Without even looking the stopwatch one can tell that the RCZ-R is fast. It is is really impressive and even more so now I have rewatched the match of the Megane RS vs Golf GTI you did recently. The RCZ-R is about one second faster than the Megane RS (for years the top-notch FWD sports coupe), and yet for the Megane the circuit was dry while for the RCZ-R it was damp. Hats off Peugeot Sport.
its peugeot sport, its the same guys that won pikes peaks, that just shows that if a brand really wanna to impress they can...
The RCZ is an outstanding car, whichever one you choose. I'd personally take the 163 BHP diesel one. Fewer reliability issues, more MPG and very similar performance to the petrol 156 and 200 bhp models. I just want fun, at a low-price-point.
The Peugeot RCZ is definitely one of the best French cars ever built
Because thy're built in Austria.
Usually don't like Autoexpress video reviews, but I have to give plus points to this reviewer describing very well the behavior of both these car's. He actually seems like a decent driver unlike some other reviewers who don't seem to push the car's quite as hard.
though I own a Nissan sedan, I would love to save up for the RCZ I fell in love with it when I saw the movie 3 Days to Kill. The lovely lady was driving the RCZ by the way. Peace everyone!
peugeot under 1400kg vs nissan 1500kg on a track like this (using only 3 or 4 gear) that 100kg difference and the lack of traction due to wet road really make a hard time for the 370z. In the same matchup you can make the peugeot look slow if u take an alfa 4c or a lotus ;)
First of all, tell me how many peugeot's there are in the USA? 2nd, the competition is TURBOED, which already sets it apart from any class than the Nissan, AND it's FWD, which is another class as well, so technically there's no comparison here. The Nissan still won and rightfully so. The peugeot might be cheaper to own, but how much will it cost to own one in the US? A lot more than the car costs, that's fr sure. Nissan wins in every espect. Was the proven winner anyway.
Well who cares about the USA? Peugeot has produced some of the best hot hatch backs ever, and the Nissan was the proven winner? Nope, actually the Peugeot was, you need to have a look on Autocar's facebook page to see the full results.
Well who cares about Peugeot? Obviously not many since theres not many around. That alone says something. And whether an inch or a mile, Nissan was the proven winner. Regardless, Nissan FTW, FWD can suck it.
Mike Smith
Really? This is a limited edition car, they are only giving the UK 300 this year, and the standard RCZ is available around the world (with the exception of north america because Peugeot no longer provide dealerships there).
As for the proven winner, you still have not checked their facebook page? they even say the Peugeot is the winner between the 2, 2.1ltrs less but a more responsive engine, isnt technology a beach (and the funny thing is, is that you will never get the chance to drive the RCZ R, oh well your loss).
I would also look at what Peugeot (PSA group) run cars in (or have done in the past, F1, WRC, BTTC, Le Mans etc), more than Nissan if you think Peugeot are a small company that have done nothing.
The back of this Peugeot seems quite wide but still it impresses by the way it follows the front of the car. Certainly, the guys at Peugeot Sport knows how to build driver's car with front wheel drive.
watched it again now, still very entertaining. Made me a bit proud too, I reckon I cannot be as fast as this gentleman, but enjoyable to see if you have the skill a RCZ R could keep up with such a popular RWD Nismo coupe:)
You have to keep in mind that the nissan is 6 YEARS old now and has been almost untouched in that time. On top of that the motor has its origins in 2001, 13 years.
Actually the engine has it's origins in 1994-95, with the VQ30DE. The VG30 was replaced by the 3-liter VQ.
I have a regular 156hp Rcz and it's still great to drive. Would love an R but they're rare and 3 times the price
Fair play to Peugeot, looks like they've found their mojo again.
now they need to make a mid engined T16 version!
The 370Z is a great sport car but the RCZ is really interesting just something different
Its good to see peugeot back to makeing good drivers cars like they used to in the 80s and 90s
RCZ could be good fun car if it be rwd, better then fwd hot hatches, but producing fwd sport car have no sense, same situation is with TT fwd. Better choice is hot hatch or sth cheap but rwd for fun.
Great 'hands-on' review - sort I really enjoy - thanks AE. Amazing how far FWD cars have got!!! The old has to be RWD in order to be taken seriously is today so passe. Review also doesn't take into account running costs - that V6 is mighty thirsty!
I wonder how RCZ's engine will do in terms of long-term reliability. Its handling looks like a big success for Peugeot, but Nissan - despite its minor flaws - is still the winner for me because of the way it looks and sounds. And of course its RWD.
Very well I suppose as I own my 308 GTi BPS for 5th year now from new and I had 0 issues whatsoever. Same engine as in Rcz R. Very fun and quick car. Only 1205kg . don't know what's the weight of RCZ R tho..
@@ejdydmj1650 Hi, it's nice to get a reply on a 7 year old comment! Puts things in perspective. Glad the peugeot has been reliable for you. I ended up getting a 350Z a couple of years ago. My preference is N/A but because of that I have to deal with large fuel bills, probably not the case for you. And it's a bit heavy at ca. 1450kg. Drive safe!
@@krzych91krk yes pal car is absolutely amazing not a single issue. And it's tuned to 330bhp 470nm . Really quick car for 1,6l engine..but on the other hand people forget about the fact it's not random 1,6l engine..it's Forged engine from factory with MAHLE race pistons, track ready setup brakes 380mm Alcon, LSD Torsen and light weight so yeah it's pretty good on fuel too. I can achieve 500miles/tank if I wants to but let's be honest We don't keep these cars for fuel economy 😅 it's amazing weekend car . I got 2nd car for work and long journeys. 308 GT 2l HDI with pan roof so Great for family trips with little one 😅..big boot 470l and 850miles/full tank. Can't moan about that 😃..
I've owned Peugeots more than any other make and their engines have long life capabilities.
is not shame on nissan, the 370 is a great car. I would better say cheers for Peugeot, that finally after sooooo many mistakes they've learn how to make a good proper sports coupe that can match such great cars like the nismo
Pilo17contreras makes me wonder tho, why havent they made the RCZ RWD? Or AWD? Kinda boggles my mind they dont do anything RWD these days
@@neon-kitty2281 probably added weight. Making the car RR would resolve thr problem but then it wouldn't be the same model. Could be wrong though
Well, whether you like one or the other, you can't deny both of these are a great choice.
sick review. Not many people compare unlike cars, its nice to see that for a change
Peugeot love ❤️
I like these videos. Chris Harris has his place but drifting can only be so entertaining and isn't all that informative. A bit of real commentary on affordable cars taken to the ragged edge makes a nice change. Keep it up.
They definitely deserve more views.
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Auto Express Sure thing. My friends see all my youtube comment on google plus.
Well said
That Peugeot doesn't look suitable for anyone above 6ft. He looks soo cramped and uncomfortable.
the link in the end on the right side doesn't show the test of the megane vs golf, but golf vs golf
Best and most informative review I have watched in ages
Is this the same track used for the r34 and gtr battle? How would you think the Z and the Peugot would do on dry conditions? Massive difference in time compared to the GTRs
Nice. Can we have a duel between the Peugeot RCZ-R vs. Renault Megane 265 Cu[/Trophy? That would be interesting to see...
I would take a modified ITB 370z with track pack or so over any tuned Rcz-R all day also if they were both in their stock setups Id still pick the Z
shame on Nissan....
888TopGear888 Drive an RCZ before you make judgement...
so much sad people here...whether you like it or not...when Peugeot wants great cars are made...i find it kind of funny that some say that Peugeot was lost in the way...the other car is a Nissan a brand that was almost dead and the only car with some sail sucess in a long time was a MICRA!!!...saved by Renault...ups...a french company...ups again...PSA went for for the enviorement care and forgot the racing street cars...because in WRC the still dominates...and i'm looking forward for WTCC...
Francisco Correia legend
Love the track battles! Keep em coming! Would love to see owen do a porsche 918 vs mclaren p1, that would be epic! :)
And, the 1.6 liter crappy FWD unreliable Peugeot, doesn't stand a chance against the mighty v6, 60 horsepower stronger Nismo 370z. Finally some proof for haters who can't seem to accept this era of small displacement fwd and awd race cars.
The only cause for finishing 0.4 seconds behind, was the 60 horsepower the RCZ gave up. It was quicker in corners by far. How did that happen with the FWD crap? If it gets a remap to bridge the power gap, the RCZ will kill the 370z.
The 370Z is a really nice car, but the time of nose heavy cars with large displacement engines is over. I guess they found a replacement for displacement.
I truly hate people who hate on french cars.
I love my rcz
I want that Peug!
i use my 370z to drift i love RWD .
Thirty thousand in pounds sterling? What's that, like forty, forty-five grand in dollars? You've gotta be out of your mind to blow that on a Peugeot...not that you could because they aren't imported, but still.
You obviously have no clue about car prices in Europe. 45,000 dollars in Europe will buy you a middle of the road small sedan with a 2.0l diesel engine.
derbigpr500 Same in Australia.
*****
Actually average European earns about the same money as average American. Both have about $45000 GDP per capita average. But cars in USA are MUCH cheaper than in Europe. For example, in USA you can buy a BMW M3 fully loaded for the same money that you need to buy almost a base model 2.0l diesel 3 series in Europe. Thats why 40000€ for the Peugeot RCZ is not that much. Considering the performance, all the racing derived components it has in the chassis and drive train, design, quality, interior (which is all covered in very expensive materials, fully covered in leather EVERYWHERE, which is not even an option in some rival cars), its not that much. An Audi TT with similar power and equipment (even though not even the TT-RS matches the performance of the RCZR on track) will cost about 15000 euros more. And it wont drive better, it wont be faster, definitely wont be nicer to sit in or more comfortable, and it wont be more reliable either, since the days of french cars being unreliable are long gone. Even the germans are aware of that nowadays. RCZ is an all around excellent car. It looks weird, but there's no denying that its a very well engineered and put together machine. If it had a different badge on, it would cost a lot more and people would not complain just based on its performance. Remember, this is a car that's faster on Nurburgring than BMW 1M, TT-RS, Golf R32, 370Z, Cayman, Boxter, etc. All much more expensive cars.
derbigpr500
yup a hell of a lot cheaper for cars in the USA. if your cars (mustangs, chevvy's camero's etc) came over here in right hand drive at the price they are charged for in america they would sell like hot cakes. so many people want fun cars here (even if they pretend to car about mpg) but they are all so expensive. even your cheaper muscle cars to have them imported end up costing the same as an semi loaded german saloon. it's a bit mad, mind you we don't have it as bad as the aussies haha
It's about $25K less than a Cayman or TT-S with similar equipment in Europe and Nobody masters a FWD chasis like Peugeot, let alone Peugeot Sport so, considering the awesome job done at all levels, final tag is more than justified. Get a clue.
Some guys commented they'd rather have a FRS because is has "more character".. Toyota all but admitted they copied the 370z - the made it lighter and more accessible (cheaper). I wonder if they copied the Z because it lacks character.
This guy needs to be on Top Gear
in that power range its slightly more complicated to gauge a RWD vs FWD car, but I do not think the 370z is actually built more like a race car as that Peugeot can be simply because it's too heavy, it's more of a cruiser than a racer IMO.
Great review! Gotta love lap times
loving the live commentary , unlike most reviewers who just shut up wen driving hard
Peugeot = Enthusiast's choice
A front wheel, turbo charged car is now an enthusiasts choice? How about you admit you're not a true driving enthusiast and you just like the peugot more, at least you won't sound like an idiot ;)
chillypacman
How about you admit you know absolutely nothing about cars and never held a steering wheel in your hands? Maybe get to know hot hatchbacks a bit...once you get your license.
***** Heard about Renault Sport, Alpine or Peugeot Sport ?
I'm not that chauvinist, but when I'm reading bullshit, I can't shut.
Megane RS riding the Nurburgring faster than a Audi RS4,
OOOOH WAIIIIIIT, how is it possible ? french cant make a good car
i don't agree with you... the nismo can offer the trill of RWD feeling, can drift, has a quite nice engine (even if it's a v6) and looks better imo. The peugeot is more sharp edge but i'll be more happy with a 370z nismo. The problem is that you can have a correctly tuned Nissan Silvia for half the price ...
lelegume1635 the rcz r can also be fun just turn off the ESC and lift off in a corner it is tail happy even though its FWD as you can see in the video...
The did quite alot of redline on the peugeot. Wonder that 1.6 engine would be able to take that much of pressure....
The engines are tested to destruction by the manufactures, it sure can take that sort of punishment as thats what its built for. You have to remember that the 7k red line is there for a reason, a long with the rev limiter, both will keep the car in check and stop anything nasty happening to the engine :)
A 1.6 Vs 3.7 shouldnt be in the same league.. then you remember RCZ R .. is the Worlds Fastest 1.6 litre production Car
This RCZ-R is very beautiful. :)
Great driver who talks about the cars and does not try to show off like others do eg Chris Harris.
Another good showing for the R. Thinking seriously now about trading my current GT200 in for one........hmm?
I have a Peugeot RCZ and that car is amazing. And its cheap for the stuff you get, like the dash ...
I am going to out on a limb and say this guy owns the Peugeot RCZ-R and feels the need to validate his purchase with some kind of benchmark.
This guy knows what he's talking about! He seems like a good driver too.
i dont think that statement is true, he called the Nissan 370z a muscle car, no nissan has ever been a muscle car
XK-RS GT 550 it's the equivalent, just like the 350z and the 300zx
werent the best handling cars but they were torquey
Shazy I've always seen Nissans as tuner cars as with most Japanese cars, u know decent sized coupes with high revving v6s that could be turbocharged to the masses and tuned so that it could spend its life on the track but instead are on the roads drifting in street races. A completely different culture to the heavy 6 litre, low reving, high horsepower v8s that the Americans produced which would be completely alien on a track but at home on the highway. -They are in no way equal-
XK-RS GT 550 It's a muscle car in the UK.
come on, its not a muscle car anywhere, calling this car a muscle car is just like calling a porche 911 carrera with the same amount off horsepower but 200lbs lighter a muscle car and its not so i insist u should just stop insulting muscle cars, this is a sports car and always has been
I Though the nissan NISMO would be way faster than the peugeot, 0,4 is nothing, so the rcz is faster than a nornal 370z or a 350z unbelivable
Light is right
It is not too surprising - the track was really tight. If it had more straights and wider turns, 370z would be far ahead.
Volnik
I really doubt it, that little pug is quicker than you think (plus its lighter and has far better brakes), just because something has more bhp does not mean its faster, it needs an all round package (aerodynamics/suspension/brakes etc) and the RCZ R has that. I love the look of the 370 but ill stick with my RCZ R thanks ;)
Tony Burns Nismo has a lower drag coefficient, suspension is about the same if the 370s isnt a bit better (you have to remember the peugeot has to always work on getting grip up front). The RWD factor is much preferred on a more traditional track with straights and fast corners. Nismo is about 75kg heavier but has A LOT more hp and torque. The brakes on the nismo are atrocious no excuse for that...have to go aftermarket. But what Volnik said is true on most tracks the 370z would shit on the peugeot...till the brakes catch fire LOL.
yus153 What kind of drug are you smoking? 75 Kg? The Nissan is 255 Kg heavier than the Peugeot meaning they both display an almost identical power-to-weight ratio, only the Peugeot's setup is more sophisticated and refined. Nissan's got more torque but the 1.6's turbo kicks in way earlier. Weight is everything and you don't buy drivers cars to have fun on a straight line, meaning the RCZ R will aways be faster and funnier (despite being FWD) as long as there's bends around.
You got the airconditioner on on the peugeot, İt eats power, Not fair comparison.
No no with wet is necessary drive better to be fast with a RWD and not with oversteer in each curves. Not a right test
I think a better test would have the Scirocco R VS the Peugeot RCZ R now that is a test. The same as most people not really the biggest of either of these cars
is this a joke?
I remember M3 CSL did in xx13.5 sec?
Great video, two really great cars indeed!
When he says Arsey-Zed, which car is he talking about?
:P
I didn't know the Mitsu-Eclipse and AudiTT had a baby... the RCZ is cute, lol.
Naturally aspirated
Rear wheel drive
Big power/torque
any day (being American)
Seems logical since it is practically a muscle car :D
haha yea it does have a muscle car vibe to it, i love mine but sometimes it does feel like it needs a diet rath than more power. it could probably do with a sweeter exhaust note over 5250 rpm too lol! fun though!!
Respect for the 370z love it but maan give credit to the frenchies who are breathing down our back
I don't know the Nissan... it seems a nice car though.
Anyway it's weird to see how some people "defend their brands" so furiously. :D
I don't care about brands... To me...if it works is good.
And.. i had the chance to drive that PUG... the car is amazing you idiots... just sit your asses on it. One thing is for sure... that thing is fast and very well balanced... and it won't brake you spine in two 10 miles after launch. :D
Good work Peugeot!
Good review, enjoyed that thanks!
What an awesome comparism...!!!
Interesting video!
Thanks!
The Peugeot is also the better looker, and costs far less money.
370z looks 100 000 000 000 times cooler
ohh no! he called the 370 a muscle car! face palm!!
I absolutely love this video
good review
Interesting, if you didn’t hit the rev limiter in the start.. it would have been closer... Z went a lot sideways:P nice video, thx
rwd is amazing but where i live its quite difficult to get a nice and "cheap" rwd car , so i got a 207 rc
Japanese Renault vs French Peugeot :D
Austrian Peugeot. It is made in Graz.
grifter25 The engine is made in Hérimoncourt near Sochaux the engeneering is French.
japans renault ??? ..only old engine 350z ..no 370z u stupid kid ...
Lubomir Mesaros I know that every Nissan that wears Nismo badge is Japanese. I was just trolling on the fact that lots of Nissans are just rebadjed Renaults. In other words - Japanese quality my ass.
Radostin Velchev Incorrect. Its actually the other way around. Lots of Renaults are actually rebadged Nissans. Almost all of Renaults gasoline engines and platforms are developed by Nissan.
Source: I work for Nissan.
A base version Audi A1 or even an Audi TT will be a rival 2 both of these
Silly comparing FWD and RWD in the wet.
I've never really been convinced by the 350 and 370 Z's. Can't wait for the next gen. I hope they will be a bit lighter and have better build quality.
Better build quality? what's wrong with the 370z? They could do with a diet I agree but the rumours are suggesting getting rid of the v6 for a turbo 4 pot. naaaaah the z always needs a 6 cylinder haha!
350z is a fantastic car. I've owned 2 of them, and beat them mercilessly. They are the most durable cars I've ever owned. With the right tires, they handle well. They have good power, especially the 07-08 350z with the HR engine and 09+ 370z.. 7500RPM engines that pull hard up top. IMO, one of the best-sounding exhaust notes on the road. I would like them to be a bit lighter, and not share a basic platform with so many other non-sports cars. Overall, excellent cars.
Cur8or88 the 350Z is extremly reliable, only known fault is clutch slave cylinder failing (which doesnt cost much to fix). Only thing they need is some reduced weight. But its a GT car after all, going to grab one myself when i have the money.
I have good news to u)))) the 400z is here ))))
Build quality? That’s not a problem with the Z.
Brilliant Review!
RCZ love , always rcz
its a bit rough testing a FWD car on a damp track. anywho...
Technically The Z model is a muscle car in Japan. Something I read on some article long time ago. That america doesn't allow japan to export V8 engines. because they tax them heavily. So japan is forced to turn their V8 engines to V6 with a tune..somehow shrink performance into a v6. They are limited to bigger engines
If that were the case, then the Infiniti M45/M56, QX56, FX45...All of Lexus and Toyota's 1UZ/2UZ/3UZ engined cars like the Sequoia and Lexus LS400/LS430/LS460 and GS400/GS430 wouldn't be offered in the US.
The Japanese have been importing V8s since 1989 so that article doesn't seem very accurate
NCD2294 yeah the problem that sounds is that sports cars don't sell as often as we would think..I mean how many sports cars people buy compared to economic cars.. since they gonna get taxed heavily for a v8 they only bring it for suv models or unique models like a super car is needed for the industry to grow.. I mean not everyone likes sports cars.
NCD2294 It all comes down to Tax. Many european and japanese countries have registration tax based on engine displacement
Interesting.
I always thought it was tailpipe emissions.
Makes sense though.
Angel R. Used to be by engine size, now it's done by emissions, hence the reason for a lot of European cars being turbo now to help get down emissions.
i like very much the back of the rcz, but hate the front is ugly
Peugeot
This guy can drive for sure!
I really like that Peugeot, to bad we can't get it in the US. That said, the Z is not a Muscle Car. Muscle cars are much more than this V6 slow coupe.
Z engine is far the best even in the 10 best engine award reving high fun n/@
I think Peugeot won this come on....this Nissan isnt standard....look at 1:55...this 370 has 339bhp!!!! Against just 266bhp from the Rcz and it was just 00:00:40" faster
How can he talk and drive at the same time? I just can´t!