So much appreciation for every cast you guys do! I was so sad when Kespa ended and sc2 looked like it might kill bw, don't mind the occasional hiccup at all and just grateful for these great matches 25 years and going strong!
Brutal games. game sound could be a *little bit* louder otherwise the audio is great. i noticed some of the previous videos issues but nothing that upset my viewing at all. thank you guys for keeping up the ASL coverage.
Love you guys dearly and love the ASL casts. That being said, I would be willing to wait the extra time it takes to have video of both of you. I even like the little outro that ASL does. It's a small thing that gives the VOD a really nice closure. A nice polish that I feel detracts from the overall quality without it.
Thanks for still casting together, everytime I see a new video of you two makes my heart warm inside and also for my next eating session some stuff to watch :P Ive been watching since 2011 GSL :)
Really appreciate having the match up so quickly. It's hard to stay spoiler free for 1 to 2 weeks. Great translation too. No sound issues. Thanks RT, Tassels and Ziggy
Here's recap from RUSH himself and reacting to JaeDong's commentary. 16:10 JaeDong: When I practiced with RUSH, he built a command-center first on his base. let's see if he does the same. RUSH: There's no reason to change the build. In the practice game, I won all games against all 8 players using this build, if Zerg goes hatchery expansion first build. I chose this build because I don't have to block the wide entrance (lower ground) with my buildings. 16:45 RUSH: Hero's drone control was insane. I didn't think his drone would get my SCV. it threw me off a little bit. Hero's drone control isn't usually this good. even thought I lost 1 SCV, I am still in a good shape because I built the command center so early. 17:45 JaeDong: Hero is going all drone now knowing RUSH has the command-center first build. combining that with 1 drone kill, it's not a bad start for Zerg. RUSH: agree. 18:45 JaeDong: RUSH will probably go 2 Barrack/Academy build now. the reason why Zerg goes 3rd hatchery in the base rather than the lower ground is because it's hard to defend the hatchery from Terran's 2B/A push. 19:28 JaeDong: Hello? RUSH? what are you doing? RUSH: LOL. my SCV defense was pretty decent though. I only lost 1 SCV and 1 marine here. Actually... this is what I found out practicing and it put me in a great position... When I make a gesture of marine push here, it forces Zergs to build two sunkens. because there's a little of time left spire to complete, Zerg will often produce extra 6-8 zerglings. Then Terran is in such a great position. that's why when Hero's 6 zerglings sneaked into my base, I didn't pull back right away. I actually pushed forward a little bit before retreating in order to Hero to produce these extra zerglings. 20:02 RUSH: this engineering bay...lol... I completely forgot that I already had one in my base... I don't know why... here's how I found out... I noticed that I could build the turret when engineering bay wasn't completed. then I thought to myself... shit! I already have it... so I cancelled it and build 4 barracks. 21:17 JaeDong: It's actually not a good feeling for a Zerg player to build 2 sunkens and extra zerglings for nothing... RUSH's marine could get swamped by mutas and zergling here, if RUSH is not aware of these extra zerglings... RUSH: I knew already because Hero's mutalisks came late than I expected. 21:25 JaeDong: huh? Is it right? are you sure? (when Hero's mutalisks and Zerglings sneaked into RUSH's base. RUSH: agree. I thought it was a bad move from Hero and really nice opportunity for me to extend my lead. 22:08 JaeDong: this is a critical moment here! not enough... not enough... not a plus for Zerg... Zerg needs more... it's not a plus... RUSH: yeah. I retreated immediately to defend... In order for Zerg to take advantage here, he should have pull this attack while keeping only two sunkens, not 4 sunkens. 23:00 It's not a good scenario for Zerg. Zerg delayed hydra den and queen's nest to use more mutalisks actively. he needs to do more damage... 23:56 JaeDong: AHH! get that tank! Oh No. he missed it. oh... tank might not have been in his sight... that's big... it looks like RUSH is prepping for 3 tank push here... 25:00 JaeDong: This is extremely dangerous moment for Zerg... 3tank + 1 Vessel push... Defiler won't come out in time... RUSH is going to initiate his attack in any second. 25:22 JaeDong: This counterattack looks good with lurkers! RUSH is pulling back! I think he should keep pushing forward and not retreat! RUSH: I retreated because I was scared... I think I would have lost the game if I pushed forward, because the game would have turned into chaos, and I wasn't confident that I could multitask well here... I didn't queue up a tank and these lurkers probably have sieged my barracks... so I retreated... 25:55 JaeDong: Vessel!!! OMG!!! RUSH: LOL... I was too busy defending my base from lurkers... there's no way I could have save that vessel... Only Flash can multitask here... 26:31 there’s a quite a bit of manual control here… Once 3 tanks sieged into a nice position. I manually targeted these left two eggs morphing into lurkers… then I target the lone lurker on the right… and then two lurkers inside the dark swarm… 27:15 RUSH: despite what people may say, I think the game is on my side at this moment, because Zerg can't really get my tanks any more, and I start to pile up vessels. also because I had command-center first start, it still has an effect. Zerg has no vision between 11oclock and 7 o'clock. and usually Zerg never rebuild the broken sunken line so I can move my units back and forth between 7 and 11 and keep building up my units. JaeDong: even though Zerg can push Terran out dark swarm + lurker, terran can repeat unsiege -> move back -> siege forever and get gas-heavy units little by little without a massive damage to its army. In this map, Zerg has to push out its defense line up to mineral expansion, and that's when Zerg can start to take control of the map (by connecting to other bases), but Terran will not allow that to happen... 28:30 JaeDong: until Zerg gets 4th gas stabilized, it's an uphill battle for Zerg... RUSH: correct... it's a constant battle for Zerg until it can get my 3 tanks with plague. until it happens, terran get keep increasing the gap and longer I keep my tanks alive, the gap will grow... 29:20 JaeDong: I see... this was RUSH's game strategy... keep harassing zerg and engage in small battle here and there between 7 and 11 to get zerg's gas-unit a little bit at a time while keeping his siege tanks alive... so Zerg is so hungry for gas... RUSH: correct! exactly! he knows... Game 2 36:25 JaeDong: Honestly, I don't like this Zerg play... it's not a good move... barrack's placement allows marine to come out behind the wall... It's not going to work... 36:55 RUSH: I build first depot after 8th SCV and the first barrack after 10th SCV. With this build, there's 2 seconds gap in SCV production, but the first marine comes out 5 seconds faster. with a normal build, the first barrack goes up around 1 minute 25 seconds into the game, but with this build it goes up around 1minute 18 to 19 seconds. with this build, you can defend against 4pool if you are human... 37:15 I saw the search drone here. timing wise, this is 9th drone search or 4pool search. I think Hero wanted to trick me that it's 9th drone search. usually 9th drone search arrives when barrack is 400 into production. this was a little late. so I thought the search drone may have search for a hidden building in the map, but I didn't rule out that it's 4 pool search either. 37:25 because of Hero's insane drone control in the last game, I was so focus controlling SCV here. in the game 1, even if I lose 1 SCV, it wasn't a big deal since I had command center first build. but here, it's a big deal. I controlled my a$$ off so I don't pause the SCV building the barrack... if I would paused a second or two building barrack like game 1 because of drone harassment, the game would have been completely different. JaeDong: There's a reason why people don't do 4pool. it's because Terran these days does SCV control so well to surround zerglings 38:00 JaeDong: Terran won the game already... RUSH: to tell you the truth, terran players usually do 11th SCV barrack build not 10th SCV barrack. Imagine marine comes out 5 seconds later, it could be difficult to defend. JaeDong: why did Hero do 4pool? it makes no sense... RUSH: beats me... maybe he thought I would do command center first... JaeDong: It won't be weird if Hero GG here. People say if Hero kept attacking the left depot, he might have had chance... I would say no... even if zerglings break the left depot, terran will still win. there's 10SCV + 1 marine. if you try 10 times, terran wins 10 times. not a chance... even if there's 8 zerglings, it won't work... RUSH: correct! destroying the left depot increases the chance slightly, but still... There's a reason why we build the first depot on the right side. it's to force zerglings detour and if zerglings were to get it, it forces the battle to happen left side around the mineral where it's easier to block the zerglings with SCVs and protect marines. JaeDong: It's insane how fast RUSH reacted when the search SCV saw the zerglings. rather than controlling the search SCV to save it, he immediately switched the screen to his base and dragged SCV just in time...
Wow, thanks for all that work! Interesting discussion on the 4pool, looks like it indeed wouldn't have worked even if Hero had attacked the left depot (which was still under construction).
hero: do u a) attack a 500hp building with 4 SCVs repairing it b) attack a 178hp building that can't be repaired an idiot that needed kicking out ofASL. also sending an early drone scout is double edged. It unusual and alerts the terran that a 4,5 pool is possible.
Great addition! love to see interactions between other pros, even better such a recent match with a contender in running. Ofc, really hard to find if you don't follow that closely, this is really convenient!
1. I like the changes (I like to see tasteless but I'm fine with that tradeoff) 2. Sound is perfect (subtle music in background, gamesound and commentator loud and clear) 3. Amazing translation by Ziggy! That must have been a lot of work 4. Length gave away the victory too early. If possible add some random stuff at end please 5. No names in titles please - in case someone watch the whole series later 6 . Love you and want to watch you comment broodwar the next 30 years ;-)
I agree with everything here. Unfortunately, dead air to mask the length would kill the video watch-time stats. Maybe some commentary on a fan-submitted match, or some other content to mask the length. Just need to make is something viewers would stick around for to apease The Almighty Algorithm.
I think the most important part is no audio issues etc. I am fine with it being late. Seeing Tasteless would be great but if this is the best version, I am happy with this approach.
This provides much better audio sync, which makes a big difference in key moments of the game. The game can change so fast when players make clutch moves or big mistakes. Better audio sync is much appreciated and needed to enjoy the commentary in those moments.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind waiting for a few weeks until you could upload a well formatted and edited video but I understand how other people might not feel the same way.
Despite video's coming out late, I like Tastosis commentary videos apart from commentary, mostly for the translation part of it, which gives you a better experience overall.
For me it is pretty easy to stay spoiler free - I kind of miss seeing Tasteless along side Artosis though. I was also kind of hyped to see you guys wear buttoned shirts - maybe you could dress a bit more formal for the finals, I think it would be quite cool of you!
Great casts as always. Personally, this is the only way I interact with ASL so the timing doesn't really bother me either way (the sooner the games come out, the sooner it's over after all) but I can imagine getting spoiled if you hang out in streams or forums. One small thing I did enjoy before was watching the highlights from the group selection before each group in Ro16 but I’m sure subtitling it all had to be way more work than it was really worth. I did like that Tastosis commented a little on the player interviews at the beginning of this one, makes them feel a little more involved and it seemed like they don't usually hear them, maybe due to when the translation happens relative to the commentary (or maybe it's just that the pre-match interviews are nearly always pretty meaningless so they don't bother, which is also fair). Also, it's always nice to see the two of you on camera a little, especially after a hype/funny game. In any case I’ll keep supporting for as long as you keep up the fantastic casts!
love the speed but i would love to see our sweet boy tasteless too. otherwise amazing work as always. love the pacing of this cast and the trimming of the fluff. if i had a vote i'd opt to wait to see both your shining beautiful faces.
Tastosis, I think focussing on the desync issue is great - there are solutions other than recording the whole show 'live' in one go, but I understand that requires a different kind of work. I love your commentary, been listening to you for over a decade and I'm not even 30 yet. I appreciate the work, I appreciate fixing the issues like desync but ultimately I just enjoy your casts more than I enjoy those of others even when there are problems. I should really support you on patreon but I am on benefits so things are very tight and I don't want to stretch myself even thinner [I think in your country it's called welfare, although it exists there even less than it does here]
I think the best sync point would be the beeps right? But that is in the middle of the cast, might be kind of awkward to both do local recordings separately and clap down with the timer, can always be muted after the fact so the audience wouldn't necessarily have to hear but it would mean there was a point mid-cast with no commentary even if it is before the match has started.
Appreciate the new format, sad not seeing Tasteless though :( My comment in case it helps: - The translation seems to be way better, great job, maybe Korean voices need to be lower volume? - Tastosis talking is better now, I can feel you are speaking in real-time with each other, not interrupting, etc. - I felt like tasteless was watching the events just slightly ahead of the video, not too problematic though. I hope this helps, keep up the great work, thank you!
Audio was good! I really wish we get to see Tasteless too. I do like the translations too but for the Ro4 and finals I really hope we get Caster Park subtitled, his speech is so enthusiastic even though I don't understand a word of Korean. Just can't compete with that.
I like this format and the speed of uploads. As long as I hear the voice of tastosis together with the game on the background I am set. Audio sounded good to me as well. Thanks for the uploads guys. Tbh don't really enjoy much SC other than the one where I hear you two.
RIP Tasteless cam. Maybe you guys can figure out a way to bring that back even with the new format, but definitely appreciate the speed of this release. Hopefully this solves the audio issues as well. Either way, still loving the casts!
You guys aren't on cam that much so this format is better. The back and forth banter, which is one of the best parts is much better. I can tell you guys hear each other better. This is a good change
When doing RT only webcam maybe throw up a pic of Tassles in a scene similar to the regular setup, so he can be there in spirit. And Tastless volume needs about 2% raise hes ever so slightly lower than RT. Overall this was an amazing cast.
1 liked this format eventhough love to see you both on camera. was very fast casting rather than waite weeks. thanks alot guys for good work, its because of you guys i still watch starcaft games'
Thank you guys for all your hard work. Loving these casts, the quality has been great, and the upload speed on this one was superb. Here's to another 25 years of Brood War!
The new format seems great, no audio desyncs and much quicker The commentary and the games are what matters and they’re both great now The only thing I could say is please put time stamps for the games starting and for commentary in the video description. People have to put the time stamps in comments, but there are spoilers in the comments too
great broadcast, i personally love faster broadcasts. Obviously in a perfect world I'd prefer Tasteless to be on screen, but if that is the key to massively cutting down editing time I think it sadly is preferable to waiting / audio problems. Maybe in the future you guys can figure out some more streamlined way to have both of you on screen? Either way thanks a lot for the cast as usual, it's always a highlight of my days when this pops up in my feed
Wow, I love to new format. I was shocked today that we got a Round of 8 game so quickly. Definitely an awesome treat. I do have a suggestion for future uploads. One thing that VioleTak, DiggitySC, Moletrap and KlazartSC used to do back in the Pre-SC2 Days for Amateur English Commentary on RUclips is Anti-Spoil the Starcraft Match by extending the length of the video by an hour or so and having a static image of a Starcraft match. So for example, if the match ends in a 3-0 or 3-1, and the viewer is 1:00:00 into the video and there's only 34 minutes left, there's an extremely high likelihood that if they look at two time stamps that they will spoil themselves the result of the match. So by faking the length of the video by an hour, it gives suspense to the viewer that this one match might actually go to 5 games, and it will truly be a surprise when it ends in 3-0 with another hour of fake video footage left. Just a thought to throw out there.
The video would likely be heavily penalised by the youtube algorithm if they did that, as the retention rate would crater as people click out to avoid the empty time.
I’ve been enjoying all your videos. Mistakes or not, y’all are casters not producers. Just happy you are doing it across the world. Wish blizz would grow a pair and just pick y’all up and partner with ASL.
The result page with the different photos, first time I notice, really fun :D Thanks Tastosis both for going and experimenting, have fun while helping us have some :)
I much prefer the quicker releases over everything else. Always nice to see Artosis and Tasteless side by side, but we know you guys are halfway across the world from each other anyway.
For those of us that can't keep up with the releases, it would be appreciated if the players names could be kept off the tittle to avoid spoilers from previous rounds. Keep up the good work 👍💪
Timing is great, audio balance was solid. Only thing missing was Tasteless face! Down for this format goin forward, especially if you can figure out getting Tasteless on camera for it as well lol.
Love the speed. I had this idea around the round of 16 but was thinking about it each group if it was good enough but youtube used to allow for manual translations for videos... but when there are some of the interviews in the middle that dont get a dub translation... Maybe in the CC settings someone can add the translation to english in the later days after the upload like a week or 2 later.... I know theres an AI that takes care of subtitles now but an officail translation for documenting what is ASL years later would be AWESOMEEEEE!!!! Love you guys. STARCRAFT BROODWAR 4EVER!!!!!
Stream quality was immaculate, upload speed was a gift. I wish herO could have given us the same out of the games themselves, but we got a sick RO4 shaping up. Super stoked!
If it is easier for your team to record this way it works for me. However, the production value of the prior vids is also nice. I am good either way. Keep at it!
Really appreciate what you guys are doing, keep it up! My only complaint is that the length of the vod is a spoiler in itself. I do understand if you might not be able to make it spoiler proof either cause of production or youtube itself. But if your goal really is to improve our experience, that would be the main thing for me at least.
@@LPCosmin01 The video would likely be heavily penalised by the youtube algorithm if they did that, as the retention rate would crater as people click out to avoid the empty time.
Some Feedback for Tastosis: - I really appreciate the fact you are staying SHARP and continuously trying to improve and hearing us (the guys in the chat 😅) - It is amazing that you brought this VOD so RUSH! I always wait for you, because you are the BEST casters ever and also the other English casters are a disaster! Personally It has been a KILLER to wait 10+ days for you and to try and stay spoiled FREE, but specially it has been a shame for me to not being able to talk about the games with my friends because they preferred to watch the other English channel or even the overSEAs casters because their videos come out quicker. - it’s sad that we can see only Arty, since tasteless is way handsomer 😂😂 jokes aside: It is sad but I appreciate the EFFORT to bring the VODs quicker. I am sure you will find a solution for that in the future, maybe you have already something in MIND. - Ziggy’s translation was awesome! Nice, CALM and good to understand voice & accent. I prefer this to the subtitles, because I SCAN do something else meanwhile or just close the eyes and don’t miss ZERO content. - The Korean audio during the translation was a bit too loud. A MINImal change required there. - audio between Arty and Tasteless was balanced and the in-game audio was also balanced. - video quality and comment quality was like always incredible! - keep up the good work, you are our HEROs! - Guys in the chat, don’t LETArtosis and Tasteless down, sing up to the Patreon! They are bringing us the Broodwar ACTION with an amazing quality!
If only Hero build a single Spore at each of his mineral lines.. all these 1hp vessels irradiating his entire economy is so sad and easily preventable.
Audio levels all good, and I think most people value fast turnaround time. Perhaps some talking over funny interviews (truth or dare, shock interviews, etc)
Considering the last game was around 25 min, and there's usually commercials to delay the matches etc. I would've probably needed at least an extra 50 min not to assume the result. But yeah, plz this.
@@abunja That was my assumption as well, or that youtube makes the video unmonetized if there's a lot of padding to a video. No idea what their regulations actually are. It's not like we're ungrateful, but this is the main thing that would improve the overall quality of the experience for me personally at least.
@@karlbrunzell6400 I'm sure that's one of the main reason, Afreeca is just following the guideline to a tee, and Afreeca as an entertainment company are expected to held to professional standards. If this was a creator production, they can add some montage/highlight as fillers but YT might sniff it out if the viewership stops at a certain point that's not the whole duration of the video.
I was very surprised to see how fast this came out compared to the last one and if this is the speed then its a good idea. I do think it would be the most fair to swap back and forth between you 2 on who gets the camera spotlight per episode and probably worth it to still have both of you for the finals.
I appreciate that you guys try things with your productions. Overall volume is a bit low (balancing seems good, just volume compared to other videos generally. Overall solid though). I don't know if it's viable for you, but I wonder about a quick release (like this) and then something else uploaded with the full (written) translations, possible footage of Tasteless added in (if it could even be captured), etc. Failing that, I personally prefer the overall higher quality and slower production, but I get that you guys get a lot of pressure and criticism about production speed. Similarly, I don't care about length/spoilers - I'm focused on quality. Edit: you know, going with this format and refining it will probably do wonders. Bonus would be some of the translations in some way to add in, especially for people watching later on or even re-watching matches/groups.
I like the new format: audio was good, speed of release was awesome, and I really like that you can hear the translation of the interview and comment on it. For the last few seasons there were often moments where you never commented on some of the fascinating comments made during the interviews.
If all we lose is a camera shot (which are pretty rare in a full broadcast anyway), but get much faster and cleaner uploads, then I'm all for it. Great translations by ziGGy too btw.
Inline with some other comments, for those of us who tend to not have as much time to go through the vods as quickly, it would be really appreciated as a supporter of the channel to have spoiler-free titles!
The thing I hated about this not being cast live by Tastosis is I knew the whole time they were talking about the comeback potential of hero they were putting it on because they knew the time of the video, I hate that I saw it when I opened the video that the first person who won was going to win would take it 3-0 or first to 2 would win 3-1 based on time. I almost had some hope of uncertainty when Hero almost took a game with the 4pool would have been super quick and would have obscured the winner for a little bit longer. Tastosis still great but I'm nostalgic about the earlier seasons.
They pull the VOD from AfreecaTV which is 4 hours long and then they edit it. Tastosis genuinely have no idea how long the match is going to be so them talking about a comeback is not feigned. We know how ridiculous it sounds because we see how short the video is. We need them to bring back some old tastosis filler at the end of the show for like 20 minutes to add length to matches like these lol
I had no issues with the new format. If this can help you guys alleviate any sound issues while also getting these videos out faster, I’m all for it! If there is ONE thing I could ask for though, it would be that you add some white noise at the end of each video and make them all 5+ hours long or something for spoiler reasons. When the VoD is 1h 25min and one player wins game 1 and 2, it’s incredibly obvious that the match will end either 1-3 or 0-3.
The padding is considered cheating by RUclips algo and will get the video demonetized. Unfortunately no way to get around it if you are watching it straight from RUclips.
Good format - doesn't seem to be any lower quality than your other casts Having to skip through commercials is annoying but we had to do that even with the edited version (and it's not that bad)
If you do it in this format, Artosis needs a Tasteless hand-puppet to simulate the missing video
This will be the new anti spoiler comment
Agreed 100 percent
good to know i can watch it in audio only. cause im only here for the comments by the Tastosis
You should get around to watching "[ENG] ASL Season16 Ro.4 Match2 Mini vs effOrt (Tastosis)" when you get a chance :)
I FEEL SEEN
So much appreciation for Tastosis keeping this going
You guys been a part of my life for so many years. im happy just to listen to you talk :) Hope you never stop casting together
same !
im gonna cry on their funeral ..
For sure, got into SC because of Tastosis
Man when Artosis announced he was leaving GSL last year it was like a gut punch. I am so happy Tastosis still do ASL!
Same! Big love to Tastosis
Tastosis is finally archon'ed in one body?!
Artosis would never become a Protoss 😂
So much appreciation for every cast you guys do! I was so sad when Kespa ended and sc2 looked like it might kill bw, don't mind the occasional hiccup at all and just grateful for these great matches 25 years and going strong!
Ziggy is the best translator by far that you guys have had
i knew this voice was familiar!
Totally agree, he is easy to understand and has a very clear voice
Brutal games. game sound could be a *little bit* louder otherwise the audio is great. i noticed some of the previous videos issues but nothing that upset my viewing at all. thank you guys for keeping up the ASL coverage.
Love you guys dearly and love the ASL casts. That being said, I would be willing to wait the extra time it takes to have video of both of you. I even like the little outro that ASL does. It's a small thing that gives the VOD a really nice closure. A nice polish that I feel detracts from the overall quality without it.
Thanks for still casting together, everytime I see a new video of you two makes my heart warm inside and also for my next eating session some stuff to watch :P Ive been watching since 2011 GSL :)
Really appreciate having the match up so quickly. It's hard to stay spoiler free for 1 to 2 weeks.
Great translation too. No sound issues. Thanks RT, Tassels and Ziggy
Tastosis starts 8:41
Game 1 starts 14:22
Game 2 starts 35:37
Game 3 starts 47:55
Here's recap from RUSH himself and reacting to JaeDong's commentary.
16:10 JaeDong: When I practiced with RUSH, he built a command-center first on his base. let's see if he does the same.
RUSH: There's no reason to change the build. In the practice game, I won all games against all 8 players using this build, if Zerg goes hatchery expansion first build. I chose this build because I don't have to block the wide entrance (lower ground) with my buildings.
16:45 RUSH: Hero's drone control was insane. I didn't think his drone would get my SCV. it threw me off a little bit. Hero's drone control isn't usually this good. even thought I lost 1 SCV, I am still in a good shape because I built the command center so early.
17:45 JaeDong: Hero is going all drone now knowing RUSH has the command-center first build. combining that with 1 drone kill, it's not a bad start for Zerg. RUSH: agree.
18:45 JaeDong: RUSH will probably go 2 Barrack/Academy build now. the reason why Zerg goes 3rd hatchery in the base rather than the lower ground is because it's hard to defend the hatchery from Terran's 2B/A push.
19:28 JaeDong: Hello? RUSH? what are you doing? RUSH: LOL. my SCV defense was pretty decent though. I only lost 1 SCV and 1 marine here. Actually... this is what I found out practicing and it put me in a great position... When I make a gesture of marine push here, it forces Zergs to build two sunkens. because there's a little of time left spire to complete, Zerg will often produce extra 6-8 zerglings. Then Terran is in such a great position. that's why when Hero's 6 zerglings sneaked into my base, I didn't pull back right away. I actually pushed forward a little bit before retreating in order to Hero to produce these extra zerglings.
20:02 RUSH: this engineering bay...lol... I completely forgot that I already had one in my base... I don't know why... here's how I found out... I noticed that I could build the turret when engineering bay wasn't completed. then I thought to myself... shit! I already have it... so I cancelled it and build 4 barracks.
21:17 JaeDong: It's actually not a good feeling for a Zerg player to build 2 sunkens and extra zerglings for nothing... RUSH's marine could get swamped by mutas and zergling here, if RUSH is not aware of these extra zerglings... RUSH: I knew already because Hero's mutalisks came late than I expected.
21:25 JaeDong: huh? Is it right? are you sure? (when Hero's mutalisks and Zerglings sneaked into RUSH's base. RUSH: agree. I thought it was a bad move from Hero and really nice opportunity for me to extend my lead.
22:08 JaeDong: this is a critical moment here! not enough... not enough... not a plus for Zerg... Zerg needs more... it's not a plus... RUSH: yeah. I retreated immediately to defend... In order for Zerg to take advantage here, he should have pull this attack while keeping only two sunkens, not 4 sunkens.
23:00 It's not a good scenario for Zerg. Zerg delayed hydra den and queen's nest to use more mutalisks actively. he needs to do more damage...
23:56 JaeDong: AHH! get that tank! Oh No. he missed it. oh... tank might not have been in his sight... that's big... it looks like RUSH is prepping for 3 tank push here...
25:00 JaeDong: This is extremely dangerous moment for Zerg... 3tank + 1 Vessel push... Defiler won't come out in time... RUSH is going to initiate his attack in any second.
25:22 JaeDong: This counterattack looks good with lurkers! RUSH is pulling back! I think he should keep pushing forward and not retreat! RUSH: I retreated because I was scared... I think I would have lost the game if I pushed forward, because the game would have turned into chaos, and I wasn't confident that I could multitask well here... I didn't queue up a tank and these lurkers probably have sieged my barracks... so I retreated...
25:55 JaeDong: Vessel!!! OMG!!! RUSH: LOL... I was too busy defending my base from lurkers... there's no way I could have save that vessel... Only Flash can multitask here...
26:31 there’s a quite a bit of manual control here… Once 3 tanks sieged into a nice position. I manually targeted these left two eggs morphing into lurkers… then I target the lone lurker on the right… and then two lurkers inside the dark swarm…
27:15 RUSH: despite what people may say, I think the game is on my side at this moment, because Zerg can't really get my tanks any more, and I start to pile up vessels. also because I had command-center first start, it still has an effect. Zerg has no vision between 11oclock and 7 o'clock. and usually Zerg never rebuild the broken sunken line so I can move my units back and forth between 7 and 11 and keep building up my units. JaeDong: even though Zerg can push Terran out dark swarm + lurker, terran can repeat unsiege -> move back -> siege forever and get gas-heavy units little by little without a massive damage to its army. In this map, Zerg has to push out its defense line up to mineral expansion, and that's when Zerg can start to take control of the map (by connecting to other bases), but Terran will not allow that to happen...
28:30 JaeDong: until Zerg gets 4th gas stabilized, it's an uphill battle for Zerg... RUSH: correct... it's a constant battle for Zerg until it can get my 3 tanks with plague. until it happens, terran get keep increasing the gap and longer I keep my tanks alive, the gap will grow...
29:20 JaeDong: I see... this was RUSH's game strategy... keep harassing zerg and engage in small battle here and there between 7 and 11 to get zerg's gas-unit a little bit at a time while keeping his siege tanks alive... so Zerg is so hungry for gas... RUSH: correct! exactly! he knows...
Game 2
36:25 JaeDong: Honestly, I don't like this Zerg play... it's not a good move... barrack's placement allows marine to come out behind the wall... It's not going to work...
36:55 RUSH: I build first depot after 8th SCV and the first barrack after 10th SCV. With this build, there's 2 seconds gap in SCV production, but the first marine comes out 5 seconds faster. with a normal build, the first barrack goes up around 1 minute 25 seconds into the game, but with this build it goes up around 1minute 18 to 19 seconds. with this build, you can defend against 4pool if you are human...
37:15 I saw the search drone here. timing wise, this is 9th drone search or 4pool search. I think Hero wanted to trick me that it's 9th drone search. usually 9th drone search arrives when barrack is 400 into production. this was a little late. so I thought the search drone may have search for a hidden building in the map, but I didn't rule out that it's 4 pool search either.
37:25 because of Hero's insane drone control in the last game, I was so focus controlling SCV here. in the game 1, even if I lose 1 SCV, it wasn't a big deal since I had command center first build. but here, it's a big deal. I controlled my a$$ off so I don't pause the SCV building the barrack... if I would paused a second or two building barrack like game 1 because of drone harassment, the game would have been completely different.
JaeDong: There's a reason why people don't do 4pool. it's because Terran these days does SCV control so well to surround zerglings
38:00 JaeDong: Terran won the game already... RUSH: to tell you the truth, terran players usually do 11th SCV barrack build not 10th SCV barrack. Imagine marine comes out 5 seconds later, it could be difficult to defend.
JaeDong: why did Hero do 4pool? it makes no sense... RUSH: beats me... maybe he thought I would do command center first... JaeDong: It won't be weird if Hero GG here. People say if Hero kept attacking the left depot, he might have had chance... I would say no... even if zerglings break the left depot, terran will still win. there's 10SCV + 1 marine. if you try 10 times, terran wins 10 times. not a chance... even if there's 8 zerglings, it won't work... RUSH: correct! destroying the left depot increases the chance slightly, but still... There's a reason why we build the first depot on the right side. it's to force zerglings detour and if zerglings were to get it, it forces the battle to happen left side around the mineral where it's easier to block the zerglings with SCVs and protect marines.
JaeDong: It's insane how fast RUSH reacted when the search SCV saw the zerglings. rather than controlling the search SCV to save it, he immediately switched the screen to his base and dragged SCV just in time...
Wow, thanks for all that work!
Interesting discussion on the 4pool, looks like it indeed wouldn't have worked even if Hero had attacked the left depot (which was still under construction).
hero:
do u
a) attack a 500hp building with 4 SCVs repairing it
b) attack a 178hp building that can't be repaired
an idiot that needed kicking out ofASL.
also sending an early drone scout is double edged. It unusual and alerts the terran that a 4,5 pool is possible.
Great addition! love to see interactions between other pros, even better such a recent match with a contender in running. Ofc, really hard to find if you don't follow that closely, this is really convenient!
@@plasmaastronautI think he misjudged how much health the depot behind the incomplete depot would have when he destroyed the first one.
1. I like the changes (I like to see tasteless but I'm fine with that tradeoff)
2. Sound is perfect (subtle music in background, gamesound and commentator loud and clear)
3. Amazing translation by Ziggy! That must have been a lot of work
4. Length gave away the victory too early. If possible add some random stuff at end please
5. No names in titles please - in case someone watch the whole series later
6 . Love you and want to watch you comment broodwar the next 30 years ;-)
well said, a 10 min of a picture/video of tasteless cat at the end would be perfection to mask the game length
I agree with all of this.
I agree with everything here. Unfortunately, dead air to mask the length would kill the video watch-time stats.
Maybe some commentary on a fan-submitted match, or some other content to mask the length. Just need to make is something viewers would stick around for to apease The Almighty Algorithm.
ahh good point, CURSE THE MIGHTY ALGORITHM @@justincenter4061
You guys are the champions of Eng BW.
Thanks for all your efforts.
I think the most important part is no audio issues etc. I am fine with it being late. Seeing Tasteless would be great but if this is the best version, I am happy with this approach.
This provides much better audio sync, which makes a big difference in key moments of the game. The game can change so fast when players make clutch moves or big mistakes. Better audio sync is much appreciated and needed to enjoy the commentary in those moments.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind waiting for a few weeks until you could upload a well formatted and edited video but I understand how other people might not feel the same way.
Despite video's coming out late, I like Tastosis commentary videos apart from commentary, mostly for the translation part of it, which gives you a better experience overall.
For me it is pretty easy to stay spoiler free - I kind of miss seeing Tasteless along side Artosis though. I was also kind of hyped to see you guys wear buttoned shirts - maybe you could dress a bit more formal for the finals, I think it would be quite cool of you!
Exactly, be professional you two
I miss that too! Their drip so big back then! Lazy boomers lol Love you guys xoxo
I was literally about to comment that the mic quality seemed much better this ep! I feel like there's more hype when its cast "live" as well!
wow the translation in the interviews is insane this time!!
Thanks for casting the games!
Great casts as always.
Personally, this is the only way I interact with ASL so the timing doesn't really bother me either way (the sooner the games come out, the sooner it's over after all) but I can imagine getting spoiled if you hang out in streams or forums. One small thing I did enjoy before was watching the highlights from the group selection before each group in Ro16 but I’m sure subtitling it all had to be way more work than it was really worth. I did like that Tastosis commented a little on the player interviews at the beginning of this one, makes them feel a little more involved and it seemed like they don't usually hear them, maybe due to when the translation happens relative to the commentary (or maybe it's just that the pre-match interviews are nearly always pretty meaningless so they don't bother, which is also fair). Also, it's always nice to see the two of you on camera a little, especially after a hype/funny game.
In any case I’ll keep supporting for as long as you keep up the fantastic casts!
love the speed but i would love to see our sweet boy tasteless too. otherwise amazing work as always. love the pacing of this cast and the trimming of the fluff. if i had a vote i'd opt to wait to see both your shining beautiful faces.
Tastosis, I think focussing on the desync issue is great - there are solutions other than recording the whole show 'live' in one go, but I understand that requires a different kind of work. I love your commentary, been listening to you for over a decade and I'm not even 30 yet.
I appreciate the work, I appreciate fixing the issues like desync but ultimately I just enjoy your casts more than I enjoy those of others even when there are problems.
I should really support you on patreon but I am on benefits so things are very tight and I don't want to stretch myself even thinner [I think in your country it's called welfare, although it exists there even less than it does here]
I think the best sync point would be the beeps right? But that is in the middle of the cast, might be kind of awkward to both do local recordings separately and clap down with the timer, can always be muted after the fact so the audience wouldn't necessarily have to hear but it would mean there was a point mid-cast with no commentary even if it is before the match has started.
I'd rather you take a slower time with some minor audio issues but keep you both on screen. Doesn't feel the same without seeing you both :(
I have no clue if this is overall better but it's great to see you acknowledge the issues and try!
Appreciate the new format, sad not seeing Tasteless though :(
My comment in case it helps:
- The translation seems to be way better, great job, maybe Korean voices need to be lower volume?
- Tastosis talking is better now, I can feel you are speaking in real-time with each other, not interrupting, etc.
- I felt like tasteless was watching the events just slightly ahead of the video, not too problematic though.
I hope this helps, keep up the great work, thank you!
Excellent translator. I found it very easy to listen to the interview compared to normal.
Audio was good! I really wish we get to see Tasteless too.
I do like the translations too but for the Ro4 and finals I really hope we get Caster Park subtitled, his speech is so enthusiastic even though I don't understand a word of Korean. Just can't compete with that.
Appreciate the 'hotfix'. I think Tassles audio level is juuuust a bit lower than RT's, but it still good.
I like this format and the speed of uploads. As long as I hear the voice of tastosis together with the game on the background I am set. Audio sounded good to me as well. Thanks for the uploads guys. Tbh don't really enjoy much SC other than the one where I hear you two.
I like this format a lot. Great that you guys can now hear and comment on the interviews. Just need to get Arty a Tasteless hand puppet!
RIP Tasteless cam. Maybe you guys can figure out a way to bring that back even with the new format, but definitely appreciate the speed of this release. Hopefully this solves the audio issues as well. Either way, still loving the casts!
You guys aren't on cam that much so this format is better. The back and forth banter, which is one of the best parts is much better. I can tell you guys hear each other better. This is a good change
When doing RT only webcam maybe throw up a pic of Tassles in a scene similar to the regular setup, so he can be there in spirit.
And Tastless volume needs about 2% raise hes ever so slightly lower than RT.
Overall this was an amazing cast.
I love that you guys are listening to the interview now and can comment on that.
Great work addressing the audio issues with this quick fix, but I think having both Arty and Tasteless on camera is just irreplaceable!
1 liked this format eventhough love to see you both on camera. was very fast casting rather than waite weeks. thanks alot guys for good work, its because of you guys i still watch starcaft games'
Thank you guys for all your hard work. Loving these casts, the quality has been great, and the upload speed on this one was superb. Here's to another 25 years of Brood War!
The new format seems great, no audio desyncs and much quicker
The commentary and the games are what matters and they’re both great now
The only thing I could say is please put time stamps for the games starting and for commentary in the video description. People have to put the time stamps in comments, but there are spoilers in the comments too
I don't think Tastosis has access to actual Afreeca account, so unless they can convince their Korean overlords I don't think that's possible
Then the video description itself contains spoilers, as you'd see how many games are played.
Love how fast you got this out, well done!
great broadcast, i personally love faster broadcasts. Obviously in a perfect world I'd prefer Tasteless to be on screen, but if that is the key to massively cutting down editing time I think it sadly is preferable to waiting / audio problems. Maybe in the future you guys can figure out some more streamlined way to have both of you on screen? Either way thanks a lot for the cast as usual, it's always a highlight of my days when this pops up in my feed
Speed to production is the number one thing that I want. Thanks for making the changes and adjusting.
Dude this format is awesome and you guys are awesome.
Love everything about this new format. Love the interview, love the audio. thanks guys
Wow, I love to new format. I was shocked today that we got a Round of 8 game so quickly. Definitely an awesome treat.
I do have a suggestion for future uploads. One thing that VioleTak, DiggitySC, Moletrap and KlazartSC used to do back in the Pre-SC2 Days for Amateur English Commentary on RUclips is Anti-Spoil the Starcraft Match by extending the length of the video by an hour or so and having a static image of a Starcraft match.
So for example, if the match ends in a 3-0 or 3-1, and the viewer is 1:00:00 into the video and there's only 34 minutes left, there's an extremely high likelihood that if they look at two time stamps that they will spoil themselves the result of the match. So by faking the length of the video by an hour, it gives suspense to the viewer that this one match might actually go to 5 games, and it will truly be a surprise when it ends in 3-0 with another hour of fake video footage left.
Just a thought to throw out there.
The video would likely be heavily penalised by the youtube algorithm if they did that, as the retention rate would crater as people click out to avoid the empty time.
RUclips despoiler chromium ext
I’ve been enjoying all your videos. Mistakes or not, y’all are casters not producers. Just happy you are doing it across the world. Wish blizz would grow a pair and just pick y’all up and partner with ASL.
The result page with the different photos, first time I notice, really fun :D
Thanks Tastosis both for going and experimenting, have fun while helping us have some :)
Thank you for the speed of this vod!!
I much prefer the quicker releases over everything else. Always nice to see Artosis and Tasteless side by side, but we know you guys are halfway across the world from each other anyway.
For those of us that can't keep up with the releases, it would be appreciated if the players names could be kept off the tittle to avoid spoilers from previous rounds. Keep up the good work 👍💪
@Game 3: I think it's insane when Zergs don't get burrow in the late midgame ZvT. It's a hard counter to erasers.
Timing is great, audio balance was solid. Only thing missing was Tasteless face! Down for this format goin forward, especially if you can figure out getting Tasteless on camera for it as well lol.
Thx for fast uploads! So much better than last season, thx!
Love the speed. I had this idea around the round of 16 but was thinking about it each group if it was good enough but youtube used to allow for manual translations for videos... but when there are some of the interviews in the middle that dont get a dub translation... Maybe in the CC settings someone can add the translation to english in the later days after the upload like a week or 2 later.... I know theres an AI that takes care of subtitles now but an officail translation for documenting what is ASL years later would be AWESOMEEEEE!!!! Love you guys. STARCRAFT BROODWAR 4EVER!!!!!
I prefer this translator much better than Andy before, i'm not sure if that's just reading pre-translated text or better preparation but I love it!
Appreciate the fast turnaround time and the hot fix of the desync problem
Stream quality was immaculate, upload speed was a gift. I wish herO could have given us the same out of the games themselves, but we got a sick RO4 shaping up. Super stoked!
Dude....spoilers
Wow, already? That didn't take long.
Ikr! They’re usually a week late. And they’re not wearing baseball caps and dirty t shirts this time - good to see they’re putting in some effort!
Oh, I spoke too soon. The thumbnail fooled me! 😂😂
I mean that’s the uniform when you work rom home
If it is easier for your team to record this way it works for me. However, the production value of the prior vids is also nice. I am good either way. Keep at it!
the faster the better, thanks for awesome cast as always
Really appreciate what you guys are doing, keep it up! My only complaint is that the length of the vod is a spoiler in itself. I do understand if you might not be able to make it spoiler proof either cause of production or youtube itself. But if your goal really is to improve our experience, that would be the main thing for me at least.
They could add empty time at the end of it
Agreed 100%
puff@@LPCosmin01
Yea knew it was gonna be a stomp and whoever won first would have won the Bo5 as soon as i saw the time length
@@LPCosmin01 The video would likely be heavily penalised by the youtube algorithm if they did that, as the retention rate would crater as people click out to avoid the empty time.
Thank you tosis we're loving the continued support of tiberian sun!
Did you see the way moon microed those rhino tanks?
@ASL ENG production, please watch through your videos at least once for quality checks. The English/Korean audio overlap at 44:34 is very annoying.
Keep this format, I prefer the upload speed and quality more than anything, also the hand puppet comment is a must as well.
I love the quick uploads!!!!!
Love the new casting setup! I think the game volume was too quiet though. Thanks Tastosis
You guys are doing an amazing job. Love everything you guys do only wish just Tasteless would talk the whole time 😂😆 love u RT
Some Feedback for Tastosis:
- I really appreciate the fact you are staying SHARP and continuously trying to improve and hearing us (the guys in the chat 😅)
- It is amazing that you brought this VOD so RUSH! I always wait for you, because you are the BEST casters ever and also the other English casters are a disaster! Personally It has been a KILLER to wait 10+ days for you and to try and stay spoiled FREE, but specially it has been a shame for me to not being able to talk about the games with my friends because they preferred to watch the other English channel or even the overSEAs casters because their videos come out quicker.
- it’s sad that we can see only Arty, since tasteless is way handsomer 😂😂 jokes aside: It is sad but I appreciate the EFFORT to bring the VODs quicker. I am sure you will find a solution for that in the future, maybe you have already something in MIND.
- Ziggy’s translation was awesome! Nice, CALM and good to understand voice & accent. I prefer this to the subtitles, because I SCAN do something else meanwhile or just close the eyes and don’t miss ZERO content.
- The Korean audio during the translation was a bit too loud. A MINImal change required there.
- audio between Arty and Tasteless was balanced and the in-game audio was also balanced.
- video quality and comment quality was like always incredible!
- keep up the good work, you are our HEROs!
- Guys in the chat, don’t LETArtosis and Tasteless down, sing up to the Patreon! They are bringing us the Broodwar ACTION with an amazing quality!
Damn I got baited so hard by the shirts in the thumbnail!
Thanks for everything you do for StarCraft!
I'm very happy with the current format. some extra padding at the end to prevent spoiling would be appreciated though
Sounds good! Thanks for all you guys do!
If only Hero build a single Spore at each of his mineral lines.. all these 1hp vessels irradiating his entire economy is so sad and easily preventable.
thanks for all you do Tastosis!
No!!!! How can we live without Tasteless’s handsome face!??? 😝
Audio levels all good, and I think most people value fast turnaround time. Perhaps some talking over funny interviews (truth or dare, shock interviews, etc)
Don't know if it was just me but I think the audio was a bit too soft on this one. Thanks for actually considering the recent feedback tho.
Tastosis, just a suggestion, for Ro8 and on, add 20-25 min trailing to video to avoid spoilers plz ?
Considering the last game was around 25 min, and there's usually commercials to delay the matches etc. I would've probably needed at least an extra 50 min not to assume the result. But yeah, plz this.
It's not a problem if the video is their own, but this is the AfreecaTV channel.
@@abunja That was my assumption as well, or that youtube makes the video unmonetized if there's a lot of padding to a video. No idea what their regulations actually are. It's not like we're ungrateful, but this is the main thing that would improve the overall quality of the experience for me personally at least.
@@karlbrunzell6400 I'm sure that's one of the main reason, Afreeca is just following the guideline to a tee, and Afreeca as an entertainment company are expected to held to professional standards. If this was a creator production, they can add some montage/highlight as fillers but YT might sniff it out if the viewership stops at a certain point that's not the whole duration of the video.
They can add another game at the end unrelated to ASL, this should satisfy both yt algorithm & spoilers ?
I was very surprised to see how fast this came out compared to the last one and if this is the speed then its a good idea. I do think it would be the most fair to swap back and forth between you 2 on who gets the camera spotlight per episode and probably worth it to still have both of you for the finals.
Nessa from Pokemon
Love the quicker uploads 🎉
I appreciate that you guys try things with your productions. Overall volume is a bit low (balancing seems good, just volume compared to other videos generally. Overall solid though). I don't know if it's viable for you, but I wonder about a quick release (like this) and then something else uploaded with the full (written) translations, possible footage of Tasteless added in (if it could even be captured), etc. Failing that, I personally prefer the overall higher quality and slower production, but I get that you guys get a lot of pressure and criticism about production speed. Similarly, I don't care about length/spoilers - I'm focused on quality.
Edit: you know, going with this format and refining it will probably do wonders. Bonus would be some of the translations in some way to add in, especially for people watching later on or even re-watching matches/groups.
I like the new format: audio was good, speed of release was awesome, and I really like that you can hear the translation of the interview and comment on it. For the last few seasons there were often moments where you never commented on some of the fascinating comments made during the interviews.
Wow that dubbing by Ziggy (or however u write it) was fantastic. I'm usually a sub fan boy but I really liked that this time around
Audio was good I watched the whole thing. Love the content guys
Wasn't here if not for Tastosis
A wholesome cast was it. We can see how much you care about quality and fast uploads. Not seeing Tasteless is really weird tho.
If all we lose is a camera shot (which are pretty rare in a full broadcast anyway), but get much faster and cleaner uploads, then I'm all for it. Great translations by ziGGy too btw.
Inline with some other comments, for those of us who tend to not have as much time to go through the vods as quickly, it would be really appreciated as a supporter of the channel to have spoiler-free titles!
dat casual friday thumbnail tho👍
The thing I hated about this not being cast live by Tastosis is I knew the whole time they were talking about the comeback potential of hero they were putting it on because they knew the time of the video, I hate that I saw it when I opened the video that the first person who won was going to win would take it 3-0 or first to 2 would win 3-1 based on time. I almost had some hope of uncertainty when Hero almost took a game with the 4pool would have been super quick and would have obscured the winner for a little bit longer. Tastosis still great but I'm nostalgic about the earlier seasons.
They pull the VOD from AfreecaTV which is 4 hours long and then they edit it. Tastosis genuinely have no idea how long the match is going to be so them talking about a comeback is not feigned. We know how ridiculous it sounds because we see how short the video is. We need them to bring back some old tastosis filler at the end of the show for like 20 minutes to add length to matches like these lol
If it matters that much you would know the solution - just hold your hand up to cover the timeline. Quit whining.
If you watch on PC just get that web extension that hides video lengths?
Sometimes it seems as if your predictions make the exact opposite happen the very next second lol (love your work though)
I might be a lone wolf, but I was happy exactly how it was, rome wasn't built in a day and you guys are worth waiting for!!!!
Seeing both of you is a must!
I had no issues with the new format. If this can help you guys alleviate any sound issues while also getting these videos out faster, I’m all for it!
If there is ONE thing I could ask for though, it would be that you add some white noise at the end of each video and make them all 5+ hours long or something for spoiler reasons. When the VoD is 1h 25min and one player wins game 1 and 2, it’s incredibly obvious that the match will end either 1-3 or 0-3.
The padding is considered cheating by RUclips algo and will get the video demonetized. Unfortunately no way to get around it if you are watching it straight from RUclips.
Good format - doesn't seem to be any lower quality than your other casts
Having to skip through commercials is annoying but we had to do that even with the edited version (and it's not that bad)
Understand the hot fix, don’t let it become a permanent fix.
Love the new format! Do it like this
great commentary, as always
Audio seems a lower quality compared to other videos, especially for Tasteless
Also we cannot hear the game music anymore.
I always seeing Tastless, and Artosis, I think it depends, but always love seeing you being present visually.