It's striking how, when speaking to the young people, the thought of getting further education does not seem to have ever occurred to them. The lad talking about bit having any qualifications or CSEs is a case in point. It underlines one of the massive historical problems with Britain that has dragged our economy down - very poor levels of education and a culture in many parts of society which doesn't value education.
I guess people just relied on industry and tried to do what their fathers did - walk into a factory/mill/pit one day and have a job. A very, very different world now. I wonder if this period in the 80s was a transition period into realising the need for education and how competition will play an increasing factor
I wish I had tbh. I had a well paid job but I was never really that happy. Many of my mates moved to Spain, working in bars, building sites etc. They're all still there, retired with cash, happily living in the sun for 40 years !
None of the wets (Gilmour or Prior) suggested any policy to solve unemployment. That was their problem; while their distress about mass unemployment was genuine they had no policies.
@@veggie42 it was a lot more than mines. British industry in general had been in major decline since the 1800s and by the 1970s a lot of it was on life support. It had suffered from chronic underinvestment, poor management, very poor levels of education and training and appalling labour relations. British cars for example were a byword for junk. Unfortunately, the policies that the Thatcher government brought in - high interest rates in particular - destroyed a lot of the good parts of industry too.
Gilmour produced detailed alternative policies in his books: Britain can Work, Dancing with Dogma etc. he also skewered monetarism very effectively. Argue against him if you want, but this claim he had no alternatives is complete nonsense.
The UK was a grey socialist state generating inflation as they ran out of other's people money. The transition to a free market economy was going to be painful, and I am one of the former socialists who hated it. Not so sure anymore.
I remember when I was to leave school been told by my careers adviser to go into the factory because they need workers that were 1974. I wanted to go to secretarial college.
It's appalling how badly the education system let down so many kids. Things are getting better gradually, but it's terrible how so many kids were viewed as capable of nothing better than being factory fodder.
The guy at 3:30 seems like the type of bastard Morrissey wrote about in "The Headmaster Ritual". Bet he's pulled some pupils trousers down in his time...
3:17: "You want qualifications, you want CSEs. I ain't got none. And there's no 'ope." That's right: no one's going to employ you if you have nothing to contribute.
Don't be a dick I left school with no qualifications because of dyslexia but now i run my own maintenance business. Don't look down on people less fortunate than yourself. plus back in 60s 70s a lot men didn't need qualifications they just got job in a factory like there father did. and yes I do think qualifications are important
@gespilk If you mandate that milk has to be sold at $10 a pint, you are going to be leaving a lot of milk in freezers at shops. This doesn't change just when it relates to human beings just because your emotions are engaged. And the greed of business owners is what pushes wages up. Businesses make more money by hiring more people and so they need to raise wages to compete with each other.
It was a piece of piss to get jobs in the 80s. Just needed a few GCEs and something about you, nothing brilliant. Those dropouts just wanted a job handing to them. Waste of space!
The Tories seemed almost human back then. The likes of Osborne, Cameron and Duncan Smith appeared to relish other peoples misery: *You're late you worthless scrounger, no money for six months!*
BRUTAL MAN, BRUTAL BOSS, BRUTAL TIMES, TORIES JUST LET EVERYTHING GO, COUNTRY WAS A MESS YES! THEY WENT TO FAST WITH NO JOBS REPLACEMENT SHORT TERM, TO IDEALOGICAL! DID'NT CARE ABOUT THE MISERY, JUST WAIT TILL THE PROPER JOBS COME BACK..... IN ALOT OF PLACES....THEY NEVER DID!
Get on your bike. Hate Normal Tebbit he made many ordinary Brits suffer. The Falklands war saved the tories otherwise Thatcher would have been out in 1983 but Michael Foot was almost as bad as Corbyn. Unemployment then contributed to a lost generation, low self esteem mental health problems and an underclass of alcohol and substance misuse and domestic violence. In 2020 because of COVID19 we face a similar situation. In the 1980's retail was booming up until 2004 when it peaked and fell as internet started rising. What now for Britain's economy. 6m will be unemployed by June 2020 in the UK. In 1980's it was called Supplementary Benefit and it was more generous than the new Universal Credit. I despise the Conservatives.
@@jognhodge275 Yes I admit I do not like the Conservatives but it's a personal experience of them and their policies and their policies have not been kind to me or of benefit to me. Its' my view which I am allowed. I dislike them even more with the Cummings affair. He should have been sacked as I don't buy the bs he has come out with. Why worry what I think. You don't know me so it does not matter and I wasn't one of the sheep that voted tory. I would not say hatred just disappointment. They haven't changed a bit. This government is worse than Thatcher and that really is saying something. PS. My analysis is not flawed they created an underclass and inequalities this country is still suffering from now. Don't insult my intelligence to say otherwise. It's my view. It's not flawed either.
@@jognhodge275 Facts are we are one of the most unequal countries in the world. Please do not patronise me and don't bother to replay again as I won't engage with you any further. Many Thanks.
@Legion Blair was haemorrhaging support after 97 and essentially lost Scotland. He is the most hated politician in the UK; that isn't reserved to the Labour activists and members you disparage.
"Have you become a more compassionate man?"
"No."
Well, at least he's honest.
It's striking how, when speaking to the young people, the thought of getting further education does not seem to have ever occurred to them. The lad talking about bit having any qualifications or CSEs is a case in point. It underlines one of the massive historical problems with Britain that has dragged our economy down - very poor levels of education and a culture in many parts of society which doesn't value education.
I guess people just relied on industry and tried to do what their fathers did - walk into a factory/mill/pit one day and have a job. A very, very different world now.
I wonder if this period in the 80s was a transition period into realising the need for education and how competition will play an increasing factor
On year bike 😂
Great days for us who had well paid jobs. Bloody awful times for those who suffered at Maggie's hands
I decree today that life
Is simply taking and not giving
England is mine, it owes me a living
In the words of the late great Tony Wilson, "Those bad old Gizza Job days".
He describes himself as a liberal, bizarre
Norman Tebbit - Margaret Thatcher's Dick Cheney.
One wonders if it was all about union bashng
A lot of British people went abroad to work in the early 80's - there was nothing for them in the U.K..
I wish I had tbh. I had a well paid job but I was never really that happy. Many of my mates moved to Spain, working in bars, building sites etc. They're all still there, retired with cash, happily living in the sun for 40 years !
@@x4dd Well paid jobs were like _gold dust_ in the early 80's!
None of the wets (Gilmour or Prior) suggested any policy to solve unemployment. That was their problem; while their distress about mass unemployment was genuine they had no policies.
My MP Keith Speed was a "Wet" I'm proud and Green replaced him he's worse
Unemployment was caused by the need to close dangerous mines but there wasn't jobs they could do instead
@@veggie42 it was a lot more than mines. British industry in general had been in major decline since the 1800s and by the 1970s a lot of it was on life support. It had suffered from chronic underinvestment, poor management, very poor levels of education and training and appalling labour relations. British cars for example were a byword for junk. Unfortunately, the policies that the Thatcher government brought in - high interest rates in particular - destroyed a lot of the good parts of industry too.
Gilmour produced detailed alternative policies in his books: Britain can Work, Dancing with Dogma etc. he also skewered monetarism very effectively. Argue against him if you want, but this claim he had no alternatives is complete nonsense.
The UK was a grey socialist state generating inflation as they ran out of other's people money. The transition to a free market economy was going to be painful, and I am one of the former socialists who hated it. Not so sure anymore.
What are you babbling imao
UK was never socialist
@@robbibittybob20 it was a hybrid
Who's in power now in 2022?
This country will never be socialist, the printed media especially won't allow it, especially in England.
I remember when I was to leave school been told by my careers adviser to go into the factory because they need workers that were 1974. I wanted to go to secretarial college.
It's appalling how badly the education system let down so many kids. Things are getting better gradually, but it's terrible how so many kids were viewed as capable of nothing better than being factory fodder.
The guy at 3:30 seems like the type of bastard Morrissey wrote about in "The Headmaster Ritual". Bet he's pulled some pupils trousers down in his time...
@@davis7099 I agree, he comes across well.
3:17: "You want qualifications, you want CSEs. I ain't got none. And there's no 'ope." That's right: no one's going to employ you if you have nothing to contribute.
Don't be a dick I left school with no qualifications because of dyslexia but now i run my own maintenance business. Don't look down on people less fortunate than yourself.
plus back in 60s 70s a lot men didn't need qualifications they just got job in a factory like there father did. and yes I do think qualifications are important
@@bsasteve Yes and I like the idea of the Education Service I wish we had that back then with the NHS
@gespilk Really? What about minimum wage and unions hiking wages?
@gespilk What difference does any of that make? Minimum wage is a price floor and so creates a surplus of labour i.e. unemployment.
@gespilk If you mandate that milk has to be sold at $10 a pint, you are going to be leaving a lot of milk in freezers at shops. This doesn't change just when it relates to human beings just because your emotions are engaged. And the greed of business owners is what pushes wages up. Businesses make more money by hiring more people and so they need to raise wages to compete with each other.
It was a piece of piss to get jobs in the 80s. Just needed a few GCEs and something about you, nothing brilliant. Those dropouts just wanted a job handing to them. Waste of space!
wow so sad your mind is
Tebbit was honest
He still is.
Tory Norman tebbit that’s the party he grew up in
You did not have my support
I ain't got none...LOL
Does The hills have eyes spring to mind lol
Inflation was strongly linked to oil price which the uk could reduce with north sea oil
The Tories seemed almost human back then. The likes of Osborne, Cameron and Duncan Smith appeared to relish other peoples misery: *You're late you worthless scrounger, no money for six months!*
??? Norman Tebbit was the man who told the unemployed to "get on your bike"
@@zeddeka now you'd have to sell your bike to survive benefit sanctions
Mainly because Tebbit tends to kill people with his voice.
BRUTAL MAN, BRUTAL BOSS, BRUTAL TIMES, TORIES JUST LET EVERYTHING GO, COUNTRY WAS A MESS YES! THEY WENT TO FAST WITH NO JOBS REPLACEMENT SHORT TERM, TO IDEALOGICAL! DID'NT CARE ABOUT THE MISERY, JUST WAIT TILL THE PROPER JOBS COME BACK..... IN ALOT OF PLACES....THEY NEVER DID!
Get on your bike. Hate Normal Tebbit he made many ordinary Brits suffer. The Falklands war saved the tories otherwise Thatcher would have been out in 1983 but Michael Foot was almost as bad as Corbyn. Unemployment then contributed to a lost generation, low self esteem mental health problems and an underclass of alcohol and substance misuse and domestic violence. In 2020 because of COVID19 we face a similar situation. In the 1980's retail was booming up until 2004 when it peaked and fell as internet started rising. What now for Britain's economy. 6m will be unemployed by June 2020 in the UK. In 1980's it was called Supplementary Benefit and it was more generous than the new Universal Credit.
I despise the Conservatives.
And of course your hatred for them in no way affects your flawed analysis!
@@jognhodge275 Yes I admit I do not like the Conservatives but it's a personal experience of them and their policies and their policies have not been kind to me or of benefit to me. Its' my view which I am allowed. I dislike them even more with the Cummings affair. He should have been sacked as I don't buy the bs he has come out with. Why worry what I think. You don't know me so it does not matter and I wasn't one of the sheep that voted tory. I would not say hatred just disappointment. They haven't changed a bit. This government is worse than Thatcher and that really is saying something. PS. My analysis is not flawed they created an underclass and inequalities this country is still suffering from now. Don't insult my intelligence to say otherwise. It's my view. It's not flawed either.
@@gabriellaj.o.6180 As rule only facts dictate was is and what isn't flawed.
@@jognhodge275 Facts are we are one of the most unequal countries in the world. Please do not patronise me and don't bother to replay again as I won't engage with you any further. Many Thanks.
@Legion Blair was haemorrhaging support after 97 and essentially lost Scotland. He is the most hated politician in the UK; that isn't reserved to the Labour activists and members you disparage.
Hurray for Tebbit!
"Tebbit had something of the night in him."
Was that not what Ann Widdecombe said about Michael Howard ?
No, that was Howard- Tebbit had more of the satanic in him.