Since the gopro 9 came into existence I'm using a similar technique with a lavier mike in my KLiM Krios Pro helmet facing backwards, behind my mouth. When the visor is down the result is reasonably clear and can be improved further in post. Great ideas to get that engine noise.
In the beginning I used to put an audio recorder in a backpack. No I use this kind of a foam wind muff around my rear cam - a HERO5 Session. And as it is position at the very rear of my bike near the number plate and close to the exhaust, it is quite protected from wind and captures nice sound.
I just checked out some of your videos. Very nice. You clearly enjoy producing motorcycle videos. I might try mounting my second GoPro on the back with a wind muff on it. Thx for the tip.
Great video, Brent. For my videos, I use a separate camera with an external mic at the rear of the sidecar to pick up the exhaust note. I also have a mic in my helmet hooked up to the camera on my helmet. I don’t talk too much either, but if I do I can adjust the relative volumes between the two audio tracks so that my mumbling is somewhat understandable. 😬
@@brentbat Haha… I actually use four cameras on my Ural. I have tried many different was of syncing them but they did not provide a sharp enough audio spike (horn etc). I borrowed a technique from the old movies - slapping the wood of a scene board. I have two pieces of small board in my sidecar and when I slap them together, I get a real tight sharp audio spike on all of my cameras audio tracks. The spikes are then easy to sync on all the tracks (manually) and trim accordingly. I use multicam in Resolve to then edit the videos. Very easy and very precise.
@@Uraljunkie I love an old school approach. If you are using GoPros, you might want to look at an iPhone app called ProMote. If you want me to put you in touch with the developer, he's a German guy and he designed it especially for Motovlogging with multiple cameras and synching etc.
@@brentbat I have the syncing down pretty well. It works on any part of the video too - I just need to do it at some point and all is good. If for some reason I don’t, I use objects in the video to sync. All is good - thanks!
Thanks for the video, but it would have been a big help to show how the cable is going from your jacket to the Gopro. Where have you mounted the Gopro, and how is the cable going from the jacket to the Gopro.
Hey Paul.... Yes, you are right that would have helped. Let me see if I can explain it. I clip the lapel microphone onto the back bottom of my jacket. The mic sits just outside of the jacket and the cable loops underneath to the inside. I then use gaffer tape and tape it all the way up the inside of the back (along the spine of the jacket). The I route the cable along the inside of the collar from back around to the right side, so it is just inside my collar on the right hand side. I secure it there so that there is about 6" of cable hanging free out the front. When I put my helmet on, my gopro is chin mounted, and it is in the media mod which has a 3.5mm microphone jack in the rear, so once my helmet is buckled up, I then just feel for the 6" of microphone cable and plug it into the mic socket on the camera. I hope this helps.
Hello Brent, Is there a specific brand that you use on the Lavalier microphone? I use Behringer and şt was working very well with Honda Africa Twin then switched to Triumph Tiger and all wind noise was right behind my back again.
No, I'm usually just buying pretty cheap lav mics off Amazon. That is strange that your mic worked fine when you were on the Africa twin but the same mic got wind noise when you changed bikes... i guess the aerodynamics of the bikes have changed the airflow around your body. I'm not sure that a different brand of mic will change that.... I think you might need to experiment more with mic placement and try to find somewhere to clip it that is outside of the direct wind flow... Another option is to wear like a little bum bag or something like that and put the mic inside it.
I always liked how you dub in the comments/narrative over your video in post, more effort but it really pays off in the voice clarity not to mention a more thoughtful narrative. Blogging while riding the bike is rarely a improvement to a video IMO. My side mount on the big bike helmet has terrible sound, lots of wind disturbance in that area. I may try out the media mod after seeing this.
Hey Ridefreak, glad you finding some of these tutorials useful. Yes, I find that I never really know what the story is that I'm going to edit while I'm riding. It's usually during the day that the "story" starts forming in my head... and for me it's just easier to do narration in post. Yeah, the lapel mic on the back of the jacket captures AMAZING motorcycle sound... really adds to the ride.
thanks Brent! On the helmet I have a Sony AS 100 action cam. Because of the bracket mount I don't have access to the microphone port (genius product engineers, yes). I also don't talk when riding- so I'm looking for a cheap external solution - up to 60-70 USD for recording and then synchronizing between camera photography and sound. Do you know / recommend a particular product?
Hey Orpaztron, If you are looking for an external recorder, I'd try using your phone. I'm sure somebody must make an adapter to 3.5mm ports so that you can plug in an external mic and record using the phone. This is overkill, but if you used a simple lav mic this type of approach might help zoomcorp.com/en/jp/mobile-audio-recorders/ios-microphones/iq6/
@@brentbat thanks- already ordered from aliexpress: Nohon Mini Microphone for iPhone Lightning Type C 3.5mm -and a fur: Coolvox Lapel Mic Furry Windscreen Fur. It will take a month...
Hi Brent do you know what brand / model of lav mic you use? I’ve been looking into a similar set up but noticed that some lav mics require adapters (something to do with TRS / TTRS)
Hey Mike I have a Rode Lav mic (which is my good one), and that works great, but I tend to use that just for my "talking heads". and I use it with the Rode Go radio mic. For the trip to Idaho, I bought a cheapie lav mic off Amazon.www.amazon.com/dp/B08XQBPJN5?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details You are right about the compatibility, apparently the mics need to have two black rings on the 3.5mm jack. When I first plugged the lav mic into my gopro it didn't seem to work, then I read the instructions and it said I should use the little adapter cord that comes with it. Once I used that it was sweet.
@@brentbat thanks for taking the time to respond that really helps. I spent ages digging around in the settings trying to figure out why I wasn’t getting a signal.
Hi, good videos. On your external mic setup, what kind of audio setup to you set your Gopro in? (low, medium, high, line in)? (though I currently use a GoPro 6)
Media mod works with GoPro 9 and 10. It uses the standard mounts (there is a hole in the bottom of the media mod and the regular two arms poke through and connect to the gopro mount in the standard way.
Hey Brent - thanks for this whole series. It has been very helpful. I tried attaching the mic to the back of my jacket as well, and got mixed results. While the audio from the exhaust was really good, I had a lot of crackling and interference, probably from when the microphone hit the back of the seat or my back or something. Did you place it anywhere special to avoid that?
Hey Daniel It sounds like the jacket was banging on seat or something. Perhaps your jacket is a tad longer than mine. I haven't really found that I'm getting interference, you could try moving the position on your jacket...perhaps not dead centre on the back, perhaps off to one side. Good luck.
I'm just getting into this video thing specifically for motorcycling. My first video had lots of wind noise sitting but standing all one could hear was the motor. GP was mounted on the side of my helmet. I'm next going to put a bit of foam over the pinhole where the mic resides.
Thanks for video, very useful. Question: for the external lav mic, did you use a high end (pricey) one ? or can you get decent results with a low to mid priced mic?
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Only if every tutorial on youtube was like this one: Straight to the point and purposeful. Loved the format, Brent. Keep the videos coming!
Since the gopro 9 came into existence I'm using a similar technique with a lavier mike in my KLiM Krios Pro helmet facing backwards, behind my mouth. When the visor is down the result is reasonably clear and can be improved further in post. Great ideas to get that engine noise.
I agree with Miguel, short and to the point. Thanks Brent. Good info.
straight to the point, best explanation on youtube 🤜
In the beginning I used to put an audio recorder in a backpack. No I use this kind of a foam wind muff around my rear cam - a HERO5 Session. And as it is position at the very rear of my bike near the number plate and close to the exhaust, it is quite protected from wind and captures nice sound.
I just checked out some of your videos. Very nice. You clearly enjoy producing motorcycle videos. I might try mounting my second GoPro on the back with a wind muff on it. Thx for the tip.
Great video, Brent. For my videos, I use a separate camera with an external mic at the rear of the sidecar to pick up the exhaust note. I also have a mic in my helmet hooked up to the camera on my helmet. I don’t talk too much either, but if I do I can adjust the relative volumes between the two audio tracks so that my mumbling is somewhat understandable. 😬
Interesting, how are you synching your two cameras? Manually or are you using the GoPro remote to button on/off both cameras automatically?
@@brentbat Haha… I actually use four cameras on my Ural. I have tried many different was of syncing them but they did not provide a sharp enough audio spike (horn etc). I borrowed a technique from the old movies - slapping the wood of a scene board. I have two pieces of small board in my sidecar and when I slap them together, I get a real tight sharp audio spike on all of my cameras audio tracks. The spikes are then easy to sync on all the tracks (manually) and trim accordingly. I use multicam in Resolve to then edit the videos. Very easy and very precise.
@@Uraljunkie I love an old school approach. If you are using GoPros, you might want to look at an iPhone app called ProMote. If you want me to put you in touch with the developer, he's a German guy and he designed it especially for Motovlogging with multiple cameras and synching etc.
@@brentbat I have the syncing down pretty well. It works on any part of the video too - I just need to do it at some point and all is good. If for some reason I don’t, I use objects in the video to sync. All is good - thanks!
Great, simple, and cheap solution. Thank you 😊
Thanks for the video, but it would have been a big help to show how the cable is going from your jacket to the Gopro. Where have you mounted the Gopro, and how is the cable going from the jacket to the Gopro.
Hey Paul.... Yes, you are right that would have helped. Let me see if I can explain it. I clip the lapel microphone onto the back bottom of my jacket. The mic sits just outside of the jacket and the cable loops underneath to the inside. I then use gaffer tape and tape it all the way up the inside of the back (along the spine of the jacket). The I route the cable along the inside of the collar from back around to the right side, so it is just inside my collar on the right hand side. I secure it there so that there is about 6" of cable hanging free out the front.
When I put my helmet on, my gopro is chin mounted, and it is in the media mod which has a 3.5mm microphone jack in the rear, so once my helmet is buckled up, I then just feel for the 6" of microphone cable and plug it into the mic socket on the camera. I hope this helps.
Hello Brent,
Is there a specific brand that you use on the Lavalier microphone? I use Behringer and şt was working very well with Honda Africa Twin then switched to Triumph Tiger and all wind noise was right behind my back again.
No, I'm usually just buying pretty cheap lav mics off Amazon. That is strange that your mic worked fine when you were on the Africa twin but the same mic got wind noise when you changed bikes... i guess the aerodynamics of the bikes have changed the airflow around your body. I'm not sure that a different brand of mic will change that.... I think you might need to experiment more with mic placement and try to find somewhere to clip it that is outside of the direct wind flow... Another option is to wear like a little bum bag or something like that and put the mic inside it.
@@brentbat Thanks for the answer. I will try placements. Glad I asked before I purchased a fancy one. :) Loved the Iceland trip.
man tnx a lot!! straight on point.
Great video. Perfect!
I always liked how you dub in the comments/narrative over your video in post, more effort but it really pays off in the voice clarity not to mention a more thoughtful narrative. Blogging while riding the bike is rarely a improvement to a video IMO. My side mount on the big bike helmet has terrible sound, lots of wind disturbance in that area. I may try out the media mod after seeing this.
Hey Ridefreak, glad you finding some of these tutorials useful. Yes, I find that I never really know what the story is that I'm going to edit while I'm riding. It's usually during the day that the "story" starts forming in my head... and for me it's just easier to do narration in post. Yeah, the lapel mic on the back of the jacket captures AMAZING motorcycle sound... really adds to the ride.
Great video.helpful ,thank you.
Another idea for some people is using their phone mic in their pocket. Some phone mics actually sound very good!
Ive tried this with the same Rode Lav Go mic & did not get audio anywhere near that.
Thank you so much, learned a lot.
Lav mic? Do you have a link where I can buy one?
Plenty of them on Amazon, not very expensive.
thanks Brent!
On the helmet I have a Sony AS 100 action cam. Because of the bracket mount I don't have access to the microphone port (genius product engineers, yes). I also don't talk when riding- so I'm looking for a cheap external solution - up to 60-70 USD for recording and then synchronizing between camera photography and sound.
Do you know / recommend a particular product?
Hey Orpaztron, If you are looking for an external recorder, I'd try using your phone. I'm sure somebody must make an adapter to 3.5mm ports so that you can plug in an external mic and record using the phone. This is overkill, but if you used a simple lav mic this type of approach might help zoomcorp.com/en/jp/mobile-audio-recorders/ios-microphones/iq6/
@@brentbat thanks- already ordered from aliexpress: Nohon Mini Microphone for iPhone Lightning Type C 3.5mm
-and a fur: Coolvox Lapel Mic Furry Windscreen Fur. It will take a month...
Thank you, going to try this on my MT09...
did it work
@@Redacted796 Done my own sound etc here. ruclips.net/video/9aWWcQwoyD4/видео.html
so any external mic with long cable connection or a specific one ?
I found that a pretty cheap lavalier mic from amazon with a foam wind sock works well for me.
Hi Brent do you know what brand / model of lav mic you use? I’ve been looking into a similar set up but noticed that some lav mics require adapters (something to do with TRS / TTRS)
Hey Mike
I have a Rode Lav mic (which is my good one), and that works great, but I tend to use that just for my "talking heads". and I use it with the Rode Go radio mic. For the trip to Idaho, I bought a cheapie lav mic off Amazon.www.amazon.com/dp/B08XQBPJN5?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details
You are right about the compatibility, apparently the mics need to have two black rings on the 3.5mm jack. When I first plugged the lav mic into my gopro it didn't seem to work, then I read the instructions and it said I should use the little adapter cord that comes with it. Once I used that it was sweet.
@@brentbat thanks for taking the time to respond that really helps. I spent ages digging around in the settings trying to figure out why I wasn’t getting a signal.
do you not need a wind muffler on the mic? even on the back of the jacket i still get loads of wind
I do have a little windsock on the mic normally.
Hi, good videos.
On your external mic setup, what kind of audio setup to you set your Gopro in? (low, medium, high, line in)?
(though I currently use a GoPro 6)
How does this Media Mod mount to the helmet and what GoPros does it work with?
Media mod works with GoPro 9 and 10. It uses the standard mounts (there is a hole in the bottom of the media mod and the regular two arms poke through and connect to the gopro mount in the standard way.
Hey Brent - thanks for this whole series. It has been very helpful. I tried attaching the mic to the back of my jacket as well, and got mixed results. While the audio from the exhaust was really good, I had a lot of crackling and interference, probably from when the microphone hit the back of the seat or my back or something. Did you place it anywhere special to avoid that?
Hey Daniel
It sounds like the jacket was banging on seat or something. Perhaps your jacket is a tad longer than mine. I haven't really found that I'm getting interference, you could try moving the position on your jacket...perhaps not dead centre on the back, perhaps off to one side. Good luck.
I'm just getting into this video thing specifically for motorcycling. My first video had lots of wind noise sitting but standing all one could hear was the motor. GP was mounted on the side of my helmet. I'm next going to put a bit of foam over the pinhole where the mic resides.
Good job!
Which exhaust 😂
Thanks
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Thanks for video, very useful. Question: for the external lav mic, did you use a high end (pricey) one ? or can you get decent results with a low to mid priced mic?
You don't need a high end one. Especially considering you often keep the audio low to mix it with music etc. So a reasonably cheap one should do.
Above Simple Sam but below Joe Average. I'm am Simple Jack of audio