How RIGHT (Or Wrong) Was I About Classes In Phase 1? | Season of Discovery | WoW Classic
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With us progressing well on into phase 1 of Season of Discovery I wanted to take a look back and see how the meta has shaped up so far. Which classes have really been the best so far and which ones are lagging behind?
We may not see this level 25 meta again for some time to come, so I think its worth getting a video out about how things really ended up being like on Season of Discovery.
Ofc new runes will come in phase 2 and may very well completely reshape how powerful different classes are, but we probably have about 3-4 weeks left of phase 1 and with how fast it is to level its never too late to get up to speed on a new class.
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Also release date for phase 2 just got confirmed - its going to be Feb 8th!
Chain heal is like 46. No one is getting it next phase.
If they do want to change the meta at all from normal classic they badly need to nerf warriors. Seems just like classic era to me but with way less content. I expect at least 70% of players to leave by Feb, more than half already have. SOD seems like a pretty big flop its simply not able to keep hold of players.
GET ME CRED
I am having the time of my life in SoD. Everything I love about gaming is here.
It's too good even. Turning into a bit of an addiction and kinda disrupting the flow of my life :)
Same. Man, I've been playing (and suffering thru) Shaman since I picked up the game 3 weeks after vanilla release. So I was nothin but a debbie downer going into SoD but all my old guildmates were comin back so for that alone I had to...and for the shaman tank memes. For reference 2-3 months into vanilla my shaman was (sadly) the main tank for our small starting guild (lol i know) and SOMEHOW our godly priest player (shoutout Phrimmi scarlet Crusade
wait when you comes to level 60 hahaha.., They game will be so brutal a mess! with all new runes hahaha
It's been the best version of WoW I've ever played, even if it isn't perfect. Mage first was great, and rogue was difficult but not too bad but warlock was a breeze. I was soloing dungeons to level by level 20. They all felt unique and more like how i imagined WoW would be as a kid when it was first coming out and I never got to play it.
The irony of soloing dungeons being the best mmo experience
@@rso823 I mean, dungeons with friends/ raiding is the best part, but the experience of doing it alone was novel. Games don't need you to push yourself; it's a nice trick when they allow it though.
@@rso823 Just because it's a mmorpg doesn't mean you have to do every aspect of the game with people. There are times when you are drunk or just don't feel like grouping with people right? I know it's a crazy thing for you to think about...
I am a lock main and in BFD I have two sets of gear, one is for shadow bolt volley for trash and then fire for bosses. I can do some serious dps on trash that way. Really fun
I love shadowbolt volley.
That sounds fun. I'm also a lock main, but as a tank, and I've been collecting shadow damage items for solo content, while my tank stuff is primarily fire damage and stam
@@jamespadgett8660I love you.
Honestly probably some of the most accurate assessments for a while. Great video and thank you! It also helps me narrow down what two classes I have time for beyond 25.
Resto/H. Priest is also crazy which added to druid healers being so shocking. PoM and Wild Growth go so well together for getting a raid up after any aoe damage
It has been announced that phase 2 starts on the 8th of February.
A nice thing to have would be a QOL Rune (I'd guess Bracers) like changing the benediction to 30 minutes instead of 5, rogue poisons, etc.
Nothing game defining, just quality of life.
Starsurge is infinitely easier for NE druids to get at level 1 or 10 than Tauren. Most Horde druids don't even try until their high teens or in the 20s.
Xaryu seems to have helped popularize the zep jump to swim down around to get starsurge at level 4-8 for Tauren druids AFAIK
No
Theres locks summoning people to wl all the time
It's absolute bullshit how many runes are in alliance only areas like Redridge, Duskwood, and Wetlands. Most of the devs must still be virgins, because that's that only people that play alliance.
I got the rune at level 6 on my Tauren Druid
Problem with shadow priest is that it was never viable spec in vanilla for pve, it needs more love from Bliizard and some specific runes to make it more playable or as they solved in TBC - they just made it really great support class with some dps, (mana battery, 15% inc shadow damage, and 5% inc overall received damage to target) plussome damage. But some changes must be done.
If there is one thing I wish for the next phase is that you actually have to be tank spec in order to tank, I want the bosses to hit hard like hell otherwise, so tank is not a dps like now. Bosses and trash shouldent hit like a wet noodle, you should need a designated tank healer that keeps the tank alive with single target healing. Right now protection or whatever is useless spec.
What I'd really like to see is 42/41y nameplates as well as Divine Plea for Paladin. There are a lot of classes that really need some support runes that don't necessarily do damage, but enable the player to actually play. Aspect of the Viper might be one such, Tree Form for Druid may be another, Divine Hymn or Hymn of Hope for Priests, Commanding Shout for Warrior, Cloak of Shadows for Rogue, not sure about mage, warlock and shaman tho.
Will be playing pally main, rogue alt. Very satisfied with paladin overall, but rogues need an aoe for tanking, like fan of knives with a very short CD. Make it a rune for another armor slot. If they make rogues viable tanks, I'll go holy and ret on my paladin instead of prot as I am now
For Mages, Fire is actually best in Era from 1-30ish when talking about single target. Most mages stop questing at 24~, and start AoE farming, where Frost is obviously king, but Frost has always been a worse ST spec early on.
you can solo lot of elites with frost
@@Quitarstudent Yeah with its slows and kiting ability, but that doesn't really help it vs a raid boss.
i know, but in classic in mc and bwl you couldnt go fire because of imunities and blizzard was the aoe spell you used for aoe, now when you have options with op living flame and living bomb its useless to use, blizz made you also survive with its slow but now u can facetank it with regeneration and other heal spells, basically everything got replaced by runes.... poor frost (i used to be main mage throughtout classic/tbc@@kat-rau.
Wow i also never thought about horde warriors having no loot competition, so unless we start using 4 of them im 10 man content they are a great choice. (Cries in leather)
Yeah my war got full bis in 2 weeks xD
Meanwhile Feral, sham, hunter, and lock are crying ahah
Luckily leather will be spread out better next phase with a couple classes moving to mail
They refuse to raid if theres more than 2 of them
Also maining locktank since the start! Great threat, very interesting to see how many builds will be viable come 40 with talents. I can see some uses out of all the tree depending on the situation tbh, but lets be real, Hellfire is gonna make aoe a breeze with a good healer.
Thanks for answering what class I should play
Give Shadow and Affliction critting DoT/channeled spells runes (and the priest one add a ~10% crit boost on that same rune, since we have ~6-7% crit total as a fresh level 60) that lets us crit on **NPCs only**, but not players. Add new runes that add a smartly designed mechanics for Ele, Enh, Shadow, Balance, and whoever else sucks, that just skyrockets their scaling on runic AND vanilla spells. (examples, holy damage Deep Wounds for Rets, some Ignite-esque mechanic for all casters, critting dots/chanelled spells for Afflic/Shadow on only NPCs for pvp balance sake.)
For Shadow, gear is essentially cosmetic, there is almost no scaling. If the goal is to bring all specs up to warrior, they need intelligently designed runes that address these core scaling issues directly and enormously buff to these struggling specs. They did it already for Hunters, Rets somewhat, Locks somewhat tho pigeonholed into Destro, Enhance/Lock/Pally tanks, and Feral dps, they can do it for casters too.
imagine getting a bit of spell power from intellect for example
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For those of us that invested in twinks during vanilla/classic; we know the different base power level brackets for most classes. Can't wait to see the power leap of all the non-tanking shaman specs and see that rapid rogue scaling. Of course this is classic so warriors will continue to snowball at an acceleration rate similar to gravity.
What addons are you using especially for nameplates and life indication in unit frames?
ive leveled every class to 25, havent played a single class i didnt absolutely love. i cannot wait for the future phases and discovering all new runes and play styles. its a really exciting time to be playing wow classic +
I'm a tank warrior, and theres no class that can compete with me on single target threat. The age old tank warrior problem being no threat = no rage = no threat still holds true for aoe though.. but that doesnt matter when even my healer mage can blink forward to pull the next group without a care in the world at this level bracket.
Love it man, keep it comin
I really hope they make some class changes too, or QOL changes. Paladin buffs being 5min is just stupid...
I appreciate your videos; Its super refreshing when viewing wow/ classic content. Every other content creator just bumbles along while reading each new wowhead post. Extra ads have been lame, cheers.
Fire warlock using lake of fire is super super good. If I am fully buffed and lake of fire into a chaos bolt crit I am very likely to pull aggro in bfd. Im talking 2k+ crits on the turtle boss.
war is too op. lets nerf hunters.
I actually did a main switch from hunter to lock, because we had to many hunters in the guild.
Too many hunters just in general. Always been that way.
But after the hard nerfs to the hunters, every raid they are fewer and fewer, i've seen a lot of warriors and rogues lately
around 12:43 we dont know whats going to happen With Crowd Pummler since Gnomer is the raid. it wont be easily farmable if it has charges and it might not even have the same on use effect.
Auto Crowd Pummeler with infinite charges and 3 min cooldown.
the pummeler and the 40lvl head for druid should be changed, theres no way you use one fking item like this for the rest of the game...
I'd loved to see a lil bit of more love for Horde by the dev in phase 2.
Now that alliance have wind fury, maybe give horde some of those freaking paladin aura ?
But mainly for the rune emplacement , the zone design of Ashenval etc. many runes tend to be easier for Alliance to get there hands on. And the one locked behind a single way of obtaining them , often are closer or legit in Alliance zones
I solo heal BFD as a priest. This allows another DPS to join and that more than makes up for the debuff on homonculi. Obviously usimg PoM
With the way rage generates being very level dependent, its no wonder given gear warriors become the king once again
18:13 what's that windserpent? deviate dreadfang? looks kinda ghostly in that clip
What is "Melee" hunter? Is it BM or actually full-on melee (i.e., melee attacks over ranged attacks)?
Its like 60% pet dmg and melee weaving
I play Arms warrior fire mage enhance shaman beast mastery hunter and discipline priest I love it all and raid in all toons every week awesome game!
of course warrior is always awesome, warriors issue in vanilla it always got nerfed because it was powerful class
Hi Will!
Very cool!
Can’t wait to play war at 40.
Think im 11 lockouts deep on my druid, still dreaming about fist of the wild or a full set. But ey, i got BiS balance gear 2 times over now!
Warlock will have an INSANE tanking spec at level 40! =0
I can't wait!
Lock and War will be my go-to chars in phase 2.
Even tho Hunters will be unchallenged in STV..
I cannot even fathom being able to kill their pet ><
We gonna get rkt
After loved healing as Resto Druid in TBC I knew I wanted to play a druid when I saw that Lifebloom rune was in the game. But I was disappointed to learn that they are totaly useless. The only heals I can use i Wild Growth and Healing Touch. And Healing Touch I'm used to only use along Nature's Swiftness to make it instant. Just casting WG is a bit too simple. Feels like you could just put a Druid on follow. Lifebloom healing requires at least some skill to keep it rolling while moving and healing the rest of the raid. So I'm hoping for a Lifebloom boost and Wild Growth nerf for Phase 2.
Thanks for Great content WillE!
Warriors get every buff they need to do dmg at lvl 25 so no wonder they are smashing PvE. WF, kings, BoM, battle shout. Its just huge amount of stats for them so early.
My "problem" with SoD is the dearth of Huntards. I can't walk 3 feet to start a quest without there being 10 huntbots in every square foot.
Only a few fights in BFD I use a sheild. It's most DW tanking atm
Great content
I thought i sucked when I raided on my enhancement sham turns out enhance is the thing that sucks
Just get some gear and dual wield tank as enhance :) you a pumper bb
Na, u ill never pump... unless blizz do somethig, i just hope lvl 40 change that
@@VanThePirateKing I do 140-150 on bosses and am normally second on aoe to our mage! You can do it brotha
@@stevo6178 nicee but pales in comparison of 300dps war o 280 dps hunt :(
@@VanThePirateKing highly doubt you are raiding with anyone doing that. I clear on 5 toons every week and rarely see a warrior or hunt doing that. 200-230 sure but you a tank.
7:10 fire mage has always been the best spec for dps in classic. leveling as fire is much easier than leveling as frost. Even before sod and the burnout rune when you only had 10 percent crit chance so long as you geared with +fire gear you would 2 shot mobs 2 levels higher than you. I leveled a fire mafe in HC. it was very easy. people always think frost was better dps but it wasnt. Frost was only used in p1 and p2 and the only reason for that was because most bosses were fire immune. raids from ZG on you wouldnt take a frost mage in your grp because they would only output 60 percent what a fire mage could
So what I learned maining an Elemental Shaman this phase... is that you're a melee class. It's better to use talents to improve shocks rather than lightning bolt, and because you want to run dual wield weapons with rockbiter anyway (for higher mana regen from Shamanistic Rage), then you get more damage from melee attacks in between shock and Lava Burst cooldowns than from Lightning Bolt spam.
It's been very funny parsing and seeing our ele shamans be classified as enha for half their parses, depending on how much melee they were doing.
i was elem first weeks, now i m enh. i feel better. Hard time for shaman except if you are tank. In pvp enh well equiped is a monster.
if they give any % increased damage to warrior even if its 0.000001% theyll still be better than everything else because of how exponentially their damage increases
"Horde warriors have no competition on loot"
Oh no, this is a serious problem which we must hasten to solve, i say we give enhancement shaman a talent that allows them to use plate.
Major balancing issues coming in the form of overpowered Hunter pets is the Classic WoW experience we all needed & deserved for SoD ❤️
For me phase 1 of SOD has been amazing. No complaints
Same. For some reason Classic WoW players are a bunch of negative Nancy’s 😂
@@Fragoso93 to be fair, if you played the same game exclusively for 20 years, you might have a more callous relationship with it.
not that its not their fault tho.
the rake :P
next phase is feb8th it was announced yesterday :+)
(posting before watching the video to avoid biases)
Personally so far I'm rather underwhelmed by SoD. First, for this being the Season of Discovery, there was very little to discover. I was avoiding spoilers until level 25, and seaching for runes in those first couple of days was probably the best part of SoD. After that, there was impetus to raid, so I had to look up few remaining runes, and I'm glad I did since some of those higher level runes were really cryptic and it would probably take me at least a week to find some of them solo. Still, while the method of discovery was fun, the issue was that there was nothing new to discover. They revealed most of their surprises on the annoucement. I thought that was meant to be just the taste, but nah, I guess that was most of it. Yeah they didn't reveal stuff like raid loot or crafted items, but usually if it's something connected to raiding, you are incentivized to just look it up and stay informed. I was expecting something more akin to Legion secret artifact weapon apperences, that you could work on finding yourself without any obligation to do so.
I'm also a bit disappointed with class balancing. With all these new abilities, you know there had to be some balancing, but not too much since things are going to change by the time we hit 60. Yes, we got some urgently needed nerfs, and there is more playable classes now than in the original classic, but bunch of them are still not. I don't think I've seen a single feral tank, shadow priest or holy pala in my raids. Sure, some of them like holy palas will pop off eventually, and giving them a rune to regen mana now doesn't make much sense since it would be pointless on higher level. That said, it wouldn't be the only pointless rune. We got a bunch of them that you're never going to use under any circumstances outside of maybe leveling, before you're able to get the good runes, and there haven't been any serious attempts to change that. What also bothers me is that clash of function in runes that share a slot. One slot can have a core filler damage ability, 3 min cooldown, or passive that completely changes your class. Good luck getting paladins to ever use Seal of Martyrdom as long as it occupies the same slot as Divine Storm (not to mention how it generates almost no mana and cannot be seal twisted).
I hope they update loot tables for dungeons if nothing else. Preferably I'd like some actual new content like quests and new items instead of just one and done generic 'rare elite' slapped in badlands that drops a rune, but I don't think that'll be a thing.
As far as Vanilla+ the + is just an asterisk sized thing at this point.
Starsurge should have a cast time
thing is with meta locks in pvp, yea you cant kill them but they cant kill you so everyone in premades just ignores them
"appropriate stats per armour type" ? my holy pally isn't wearing a single piece of mail
It is also mostly because people don't know how to deal with priests.
Lets say, you have a priest and a rogue, who do you attack? Both? The priest? The rogue?
Most people opt for both, so prayer of mending becomes really strong. Generally I am the "shadow" priest, went down to mind flay and run penance + homunculi!
Your take on the rogue leveling was spot on because 98% of the rogues are just skipping remorseless attacks for leveling and asking themselves why they dont do any dmg
folks...the talents on wowhead are mostly for 'endgame' raiding/pve - not the leveling phase
if you go 5/5 malice, thats on you😂
Talents are utterly irrelevant at this point of leveling, it's all on gear. If you don't regularly go and buy a level appropriate green wep or treat yourself to a decent blue you'll feel it.
BFD is the same, outside of the weapons you won't really feel the upgrades, which is why you're better off getting the shitty int mace nobody wants over for example the hood if you're still using barb or something else.
It's probably way too late for it, but this just proves that shaman tanks should've been a 4th spec like druids splitting feral into bear and cat a long time ago.
only 19 years late
there's nothing to prove. blizzard left shaman unfinished and favoured a 2h dps spec instead. now it's complete.
I hope you're still going to make hardcore content!
How did they end up solving the racial weapon skill issue?
Important detail to remember is warrior deep wounds is acting like it’s wotlk version which is identical to ignite while classic wow deep wounds was useless
'hot and dots can now crit rune' plz
I am constantly mistaken as Balance as a Resto Druid, you blatantly do the same damage in PvP because both use Starsurge, but only Resto has the mana efficiency talents.
after seeing the warrior runes,and most of them being passive i was pretty disappointed. but now after having played with the 80 rage enrage rune and windfury,theyve made warrior gameplay even more PUMP. and with the new way deepwounds works,the rotation and gearing is going to be shifting as well.
cant wait for world of warriorcraft again, but its even more fun and better this time. i dont even know what new runes they can give us,the class is already perfect and they somehow have to make it better with additional runes.
and just like in classic,there is going to be the classic "warrior in your group vs the warrior in other peoples group" meme,since the difference in bottom warriors and top is far greater now
Im playing 3 healers, they all pretty good altho Hpal got pretty shafted with rank 1 FoL. Cant wait for lvl 40 tho, they all going to be monster healers.
Theyll suck.. You dont even get Cleanse at 40. Virtually every other healer will be better than Paladin.
I’ve yet to see a warrior beat a hunter or rogue
Yep. Unless they are insanely geared it’s usually a toss up.
I’ve only seen Guzu’s warrior be above 300dps on a boss in BFD, but no hunters or rogues have been that high.
its just how it always is with warriors, they scale the best with skill and gear&comp&buffs. rogues and hunters need no buffs nor brain(especially hunters,you cant fail their rotation and they barely scale with any buffs) so theyre going to be wayyy ahead of warriors for most people,and then warriors hit a breakpoint and go way past everyone else. even in classic it was like this
Warriors OP, man they gonna pump at 40.
I didnt have so much fun with WoW since the Nostalrius shutdown. I just wish there were less bots who ruin the economy and less gold buying.
I feel like caster balancing will be very hard to accomplish over physical, I dont see them changing system mechanics outside of runes for casters, which is kind of mix feeling, as that means sacrificing power for class balancing, which i dont think physical classes will run into same issues. 😅
I think what we are seeing to balance casters is the new gear and if 25 BFD is anything to gage the caster gear from, than 40 and 50 will be insane for itemization. The epic staff is already outclassing pre raid bis options at max level. I think the realistic thing we will see is just more SP on gear to push caster in line with physical damage dealers, but this did raise up some peoples concerns of balancing for the older 40 mans once those finally come available.
I personally dont really care about 40 mans. I think they will be nostalgia content once we're 60 while focus is set to new stuff, but im still seeing concerns about 40 man content being stunted/easy due to fear of the gear from these earlier phase running rampent. Considering comments from the devs so far about raid sizes/pvp balancing, etc, I feel outside of the planed new content the old stuff is just going to be there and untouched. This might disappoint people but we've had now 3 other chances to experience the old raid content though classic vanilla/SoM/HC. If there are no plans to touch the old raids then thats just how its going to be. Look forward to the new.
Since the whole game has gotten buffs to dmg, the 40-mans should still balance out to be about as easy as they were before, I think
Praying they just don’t do 40 mans they are honestly awful lol
You almost got that right: PvP = Premade vs. PUG
Im struggling as a pvp warrior, i might be a noob but I get destroyed by ranged classes. I dont have anything to break fears and polymorphs then I die in 4 seconds before even getting to my target.
As a rogue I'm totally in favor of warriors getting almost no competition for loot. That means they can stop rolling on leather gear.
just wait til ele gets chain lightning, pvp scene will be flooded with shammys
im pumped to pump =D
Unless they change how mans works fundamentally. Casters will always be at a disadvantage.
Something i noticed in your vid that i never realised, is the female human is the only one with moving eyes.
oh true
problem with relying on logs alone is you don't see how it works in practise. Holy paladin can show good numbers because of beacon, but whilst doing poor dmg, going oom and unable to be useful at quickly healing off any of the important mechanics in the raid. BoK is already given by hunter too.
From my experience, if you want to be actually useful in raid, you are best to reroll as a priest because it's night and day difference. And from a quick Google search, that appears to be what most other healer paladins have done
You can just melee with righteousness up and bring both tanks to full with 1 or 2 holy light casts. You also have buffs and kicks. It's really not so bad.
These last few weeks I’ve fully kitted out 6 warriors and our leather and cloth wearers that have been doing BFD every reset are still missing pieces of gear. It’s crazy.
hunter pets are raid bosses
I was really enjoying the druid but with the horrible (not hard!!!) grind for supply chests or rep in Ashenvale to get the "best" runes....I turned me off big time. I will come back for level 40 but if it's anything the same, I can't see it holding my interest
when rogue tanking in dungeons unless dps heavily outgears you, you ae fine up to 4 mobs
but then again in vannila it was the same for any tank
For paladins Protection build is - sort of pointless - unless you are stacking "thorns" damage and doing DM or WC whole dungeon pulls or half dungeon pulls.
There is not point where retri ( divine storm+avenging shield) is not enought
If Mages are that underwhelming in SoD I'll stick to retail
The biggest mistake that Blizzard ever made was not nerfing Warriors to fuck back in vanilla and this means that Classic, SoM and SoD are all built on this fundamentally broken premise that warriors should be the best dps and the best tank and can achieve close to both at the same time.
The toxic legacy of whoever in the management team at Blizzard believed and followed Furor's Warrior Manifesto holds true to this day and it needs a fundamental overhaul to make the vanilla game actually work in any iteration we;ve seen so far.
Yes pls, i as a tank warr i hate warrior playere that refuse to tank, go play rogue then
Decided to roll Paladin as my true main, and have zero regrets. I didn't think I'd tank at all, but I've often found myself put into the role and I'm just amazed at the flexibility of this class.
I don’t care about balance in pve - I only care about pvp balance
Of note with Shadow Priest is that they get a new rank of SW:P at 26 and a new rank of MF at 28, which would likely double their damage if they got them.
that's the case for all classes...
Hunter keeps getting nerfs but Warriors are sitting happy and untouched at the top.
havent even started playin. cuz i was one of em fools that did not make a char day one xD
Warriors need a raid comp to outperform... like if any classes don't need a raid comp to perform. Your bias for vanilla warriors is that strong.
Huntards will perform regardless even if its a literal retard playing pressing 123
i just dont get the buffs for the classes that werent meant to shine at 25, theyre just compensating with something impossible
Hellfire is going to suffer in the same way shadow and frost bolts are now. Its rank 2 is lvl 42.
Even rank 1 hellfire is still very strong at level 40. With destruction talents and level appropriate spell power, incinerate and lake of fire, it's capable of over 800 dps on just 5 targets.
I'm enjoying SoD so far, but i think rolling Horde on Wild Growth might have been a mistake for pvp
Damn I wonder if you were the pre-made I beat yesterday with randoms lol
The Gold farming bots have screwed up the faction balance pretty badly, blizzard needs to do more for the faction balance for sure.
PVP in SOD doesn't mean priest v priest it means Pre-made V Pug, i.e win v loss
Weird how one of the main devs plays a warrior, it wont get nerfed
"Frost mage is not very good"
Me: Oh no.... anyway...
Until casters start scaling better with SP and gain SP from Int/Spr (just to start), then SoD will just be another version of the Classic Warrior/Rogue meta. Regardless of the runes and abilities the casters get.
SP from int wasn’t until cata bro. No way that shit belongs here.
@@oct2119960 it was in tbc and up through talents, example balance druids had 2 talents which increased sp. From TBC up it was 25% of Int was added as SP. In wrath onwards while in mookin form 30% of Spirit is SP
@@oct2119960, yes, I know it wasn't until Cata, but until Blizz starts to make a change, then casters will always be behind melee and the meta will never change. This is SoD, not Classic Vanilla. They can and should make more changes to casters to bring them up to par with warriors and rogues. Not at 25, but definitely starting at 40+. Otherwise ultimately it's no different than any other version of Classic.
Why do you think they added? Fundamental design flaw of casters. Same with spell ranks. In wrath, you could end up with spell abilities that highest ranks were 75 or so, and never receive anything at 80. Not all ranks are adapted for max level. That's why they added 3 AQ20 spell books per class in original classic at lvl 60 and that still won't be enough for many classes. This isn't a classic v non classic issue, it's a classic mistake v how do we solve it that feels classic still @@oct2119960
they already stated they are not going to touch the base game. So int will not give SP unless stated from runes. @@jallop7918
Warrior are the Best at 25... they will Never be overtrow!