The 10 worst F1 cars to win a Grand Prix
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- Upsets are rare in Formula 1, but that makes them all the more special when they occur. In this current era of the same teams scooping up all of the race wins, we take a look back through the archives to pick out 10 cars that had no business winning a grand prix but somehow managed it. Luck, opportunism, clever strategy and sometimes a genius behind the wheel all played their part in this list - let us know your favourites, and tell us which ones we missed!
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Fun Fact: When Alan Jones won that Grand Prix in '77. The race organisers didn't have the Australian National Anthem to play during the podium celebrations, due to the unlikeliness of him winning. So instead they played the Happy Birthday song instead!
@@dagorman86 got there ahead of me!
@@dagorman86 I suppose with Hill winning, they played the British anthem once and say "well the Jordan team are based at Silverstone"
@@dagorman86 I find the Happy Birthday song for Alan Jones was hilarious, imagine if it happened today, they'll probably find a band playing the anthem on RUclips
Hahaha yeah.... Those were the days...
@@ICryOverSpiltMilk I guess they have a sound file of every possible anthem. So they propably would even have the polish one just in case everybody crashes and Kubica wins.
Hard to argue against a car that caught fire at the end of the race as being the worst to win.
empire I imagine the car was so surprised, it spontaneously combusted.
Considering that, I'm especially surprised Maldonado's win for Williams wasn't on here. It technically wasn't his car that caught fire, but his team-mate's car burned down their garage after the race!
@@nathangamble125 it's a good car but it just have incompetent driver there. It was the 2nd or 3rd best car on the early part of the season. And by the end it was probably still better than the Mercedes. Also worth mentioning in 2012 the performance difference is so small. Every car have its flaw. 2nd to 6th fastest car could exchange position every weekend. And awful unreliability of the Red Bull as the best car did help to close the gap even more
i love your profile pic 🤘
Fisichella overtook Kimi on merit. Panis would never overtake Hill. So Ligier was worse than Jordan
Could have added that Fisichella had almost won at Spa but still failed to score for rest of the season in that Ferrari. Shows just how much Kimi and Massa outperformed that car.
That Ferrari was undrivable if not for its driver, it doesn't deserve the points it got that season. It's drivers made it look decent, as is the evidence with the Badoer and Fisichella switch. Raikonnen as we can see now was and still is an awesome driver, and pre-spring Massa was one of the best.
@@kirelucina8135 Well Fisichella didn't score any points aside from at Spa with Force India either (the car was usually in the bottom 10). But I think the car was also extremely sensitive, since at some races it would drive horribly. Kimi could have finished P5 in the championship though, had he not had his front wing broken by Vettel at Brazil while fighting for a net P1.
Yeah you summed it up pretty well and also reliability issued and incompetent decisions by the team is what made them not score in the first three races of 2009. And without that accident, Massa would probably have won a GP with it as well
@@markhenley3097 well actually it was by Webber because Seb started in like 14th in that race. And Ferrari would have comfortably finished 3rd in the championship for that year if it wasn't for Massa's accident in Hungary
I still don't know how Kimi won in that Ferrari, then again the whole weekend made no sense, Fisi on pole in a Force India, and BMW Sauber on the podium despite a horrible season for them
7:50 Ferrari with 44
Wait, that’s illegal
@Alan Ali 10 retirement because of V6 vacuum cleaner engines
Wait, it's not
you sure about that?
Fun fact about Fisichella
He's won 3 races in F1
The first race of 2005, the second race of 2006, and the third race of 2003
Amazing that he nearly won on both the EJ-13 and VJM-02
Was thinking he won more
@@rick.05 Yeh me too, two wins from two years in a championship winning car. And people say Bottas is a chump
@Ponfi From memory, Fisi was nowhere near as close to Alonso as what Bottas is to Hamilton.
So he's a time traveler.... got it 😂.
Where's the fun fact??
Williams FW34. One win, next best result of fifth.
The car was still good. Maldonado qualified it in the top 5 a lot. Though both drivers weren't good enough that year I dont think.
If pastor hadn’t spent more time in the wall it would have scored a few podiums
Bruno Senna was just awful
Josh Pemberton honestly pastor gets a lot of shit but he was a good driver. He was genuinely fast and always pushed the car as hard as he could (what fans always claim they want).
@@zXPeterz14 Nope... there's a difference between pushing a car (champion stuff) and crashing a car (Maldonado stuff)
Reveley_97 if he didn’t crash as much as he did, he would easily be in the sport today, though not in Williams
When you stop to think that the Lotus 43's finishing percentage was only 16.5% (6 starts in 5 races), it makes Jim Clark's lifetime statistics all the more impressive.
Always good to hear the names "Michele Alboreto" and "Gilles Villeneuve" ....
Gilles might have been the only one that could have taken the CK to victory... He was the only one being not just fast and brave, but also crazy enough to get the job done.
Shows how old I am. I was at that Detroit GP that Alboreto won.. I was also at Gilles Canadian GP victory. I also Saw Panis in the Ligier. That Mugen Honda was louder than the Ferrari 412 t2 live. It began to hurt your ears after a while and plugs were needed just for that car .
I was at the race Alesi won in Canada in the 412 t2.. We had front row seats 3rd on the grid. We sang Happy Birthday to him. Not a joke, you could literally feel the screaming Ferrari, via your asshole, on the strait, through the metal grandstand seats. We all stormed the track to the podium while the cars were still completing the race. I was 4 ft away from a Jordan screaming by at full speed. Don't ask me who that was.
Imagine you’re just after winning a Grand Prix and your car still decides to try and retire
It went on strike.
The worst car that SHOULD have won a Grand Prix but didn't: Arrows A18, 1997, Damon Hill, Hungary GP.
THIS.
That would easily have been #1 were it not for that hydraulic failure.
@AG Coarseman Damon Hill the man who was a test driver for Williams in 92 so therefore having his ability judged against Nigel Mansell who was running away with the championship.
Alongside this he was racing the worst car on the grid in the Brabham .
He then got the Williams drive for 93 and had a 3 time world champion as his team mate ,but still held his own
Then for 94 he had probably the greatest driver ever in the sport as his team mate. When ayrton senna was killed he had to lead the team under difficult circumstances . He then spent the next few racing head to head with the genius of Micheal Schumacher and eventually took the world championship.
Hardly a pathetic excuse of a driver
@AG Coarseman I never expected you to
Actually, also a decreasing Idol of a driver: Even Walkinshaw as his boss called him more and more lazy
I consistently dislike Michael Schumacher for that reason. No other drivers are worse at deliberate crashes like him
1:36
Rest in peace, Tom Pryce.
There is Zorzi’s stricken car.. hard to look at it.
Vectro666
@Vectro666, agree. That picture is about a lot more sadness than an underperforming f1 car.
Strange that they highlighted the stricken car but completely failed to even acknowledge any of the circumstances around it. I mean, maybe just use a different picture without such macabre implications, or pay respect to those who lost their lives, don't just place a big red arrow with a stupid sound effect ffs. Disrespectful.
Oh god, are these parts of the marshall and Pryce's car lying behind the shadow?
@Cini minis Probably, but it's still a grim picture to show.
I stopped watching the video at that point. It’s shocking that they couldn’t even acknowledge what happened to Pryce and the marshal, despite very deliberately using that picture, they could’ve used another retirement to illustrate the point.
I was 7 at the time Fisichella won in 2003 and can still remember how bizarre that race was. It is for me one most memorable F1 races.
Compared with me I was 6 years old in 2003
2:40 "...Monza's slow chicanes..."
It pains the ears to hear such blasphemy!
Relatively, relatively. The first corner is slow enough for Monza, but it is still fast compared to, say the hairpin in Monaco.
In 96 I was 17 and I was a huge fan of Olivier Panis. I was on the edge of my seat for most of that Monaco Grand Prix. I still think Panis was an underrated driver who never had a decent car to show how good he was. In that race he was overtaking much faster cars... At Monaco....in the rain! These days drivers can't overtake there when they are in the faster car and the track is bone dry.
Agreed! When I was little Felipe Massa was racing in utter garbage Ferraris and for no obvious reason he was my favourite driver. My dad was and is a huge f1 fan and he always watched the races with me! When there was a red car on the screen I always asked ‘Is that Massa?’ Ah those were the good times.
@@mr.carguy654 I'm in my 40s now and live abroad but when I go home and get to sit with my Dad and watch F1 on the TV on a Sunday just like the old days, it's one of my favourite things in life.
For those who know, by far the most epic win was in jarama 1981 by the great Gilles. He kept four much better cars glued to his gearbox, the whole race without putting a foot wrong. LEGENDARY DRIVE!!!!!
Could you do a video on F1 championships won with the most relatively slowest cars?
Brabham BT49C 1981
Williams FW08 1982
zupperm would be a tough list. Extremely rare, at least in the past 30 years, has the fastest car not won both championships. Championship contender cars would be more interesting, Ferrari 2012, McLaren 2003, Jordan 1999, Ferrari 1997
@@samfitzpatrick7891 I agree with that but I would say e. g. the Brawn BGP1 (is that what it's called?) was not the best car on the grid, at least for the second half of the season.
And the constructors Championship can easily be thrown away by having one driver that can't keep up with the first Challengers despite having the better car. An example might be Kovalainen and I think Ferrari won WCC in 2008 instead of McLaren, right?
TheF in my opinion Red Bull were the only others though who could fight that season. Mclaren and Ferrari finished 3rd and 4th in the championship, and when you think back to the first half of the season the Brawn was 1+ seconds faster and even near the end the Ferrari was still slower (Raikkonen couldn’t score in Abu Dhabi, whilst Brawn were 3rd and 4th). 1999 is the constructors championship I look back on as the only one in the past 20 years where not the best car won the constructors, the Ferrari was .5+ slower that season, although it was McLaren’s reliability that was the reason for them losing, which is arguably part of the competitiveness of the car. Also 2007 as well maybe
6:55 Jim Clark....nuff said...that guy could have driven a go-kart and would have been a competitor for the championship in that era.
Raikkonen in that 2nd half of the season in 09 was awesome
True dat
Honourable mention: 1975 March 751, driven to a lucky victory in Austria by Vittorio Brambilla.
The fact that Gilles Villeneuve won two races in that 81 Ferrari just proves how fantastic he was. RIP
If Fisichella had pass Raikkonen, then the F60 would have been remplaced here by VJM02, not common to have 2 bad car running for win
fisichella should've won that day, sadly kers made it impossible for him to overtake, and for some reason him and raikkonen always came to the pit at the same time instead of trying to undercut or overcut
It was one of those races, where you don't have to be fast to score high - you only need to do nothing stupid. It was the first time since Belgian 1998 (a similar chaotic race and also won by Jordan) where both Ferraris failed to finish. The next time would be Mexico 2015.
Definitely that Jordan, but I remember being so happy for Panis winning in Monaco!
To paraphrase Martin Brundle; "That was a nice commentary, I would have loved to have heard it".
Are you telling me that the music can’t be the same volume as the voice. This might be breaking news
I remembered brazil 2003. I remember how bitterly disappointed i was when fisicio wasnt awarded winners trophy on the podium.
Me too, I was a huge Jordan fan and knew the rules about countback in the event of a red flag so I knew Fisichella had won it. Giving him the trophy at the next race was a nice gesture but he was robbed of the chance to celebrate on the podium and had to wait for an appeal to find out if he'd won 😫
@@patmaher9435 and that cost Kimi the title at the same time lol
Ah, remember when a car outside the top 3 contenders used to have a chance to win a race?
Where is the Williams of Maldonado?
F1 9-ka the williams wasn’t a bad car
The drivers tho..........
Our Lord is too superior for this list
Any car drove by Maldonado isn't bad
Maldonado probably the worst driver to have won a race but it's not one of 10 worst cars to won a gp.
@@ilovelimpfries Worst driver? Lol are you kidding? He is fast and skilled but sometimes too much careless and inconsistent that paid the price.
1:37 that shadow behind... kyalami.. I know what you thinking about
1:39 South Africa 1977, tragic day for Shadow and F1
I also spotted that at Kyalami - Renzo Zorzi stranded Shadow. I was there that day. 🙁
Damn, those people seen some wicked shit just a few moments later
I'd hate to think about what everybody was looking at....
Though not as bad as Imola '94......
@@saberracer026 I don't know, seeing someone being ripped into peaces on live tv and a beheaded driver going down the main straight to hit another car are far worse for me than what happened in Imola, but both are tragic, Kyalami is just a lot more disturbing.
I think Johnny Herbert with his Stewart-Ford winning at Nűrburgring 1999 could also match the list! And perhaps Damon Hills Jordan back in 1998? Ok, to be fair it was not bad that much, but never a car to usually win a race...
As well had his arrows not given up at the 97 Hungarian GP that would’ve been imo the greatest victory in a car that had no right being on that top step. Such a shame that win never happened
barichelo was close in brazil and other races in 1999.
What about Vittorio Brambilla's March 751 in 1975? He won the Austrian GP by sheer luck but the March really was one of the worst cars of the 1975 season. Ronnie Peterson also won the Italian GP in 1976 with the March 761. Nobody else ever scored a podium with that car. John Surtees's 1967 Honda RA300 was way too heavy and handled like a semi-truck according to Surtees. It was fundamentally a bad design in which Honda's engineer wrongly assumed more power could overcome the high weight of the car. Monza was the only place it had some chance because the Honda V12 was powerful. Despite this he qualified 9th. Sure, the top drivers like Clark and Hill in the Lotus cars had problems as did the good Brabham-Repco's driven by Brabham and Hulme. Dan Gurney's Eagle-Weslake led for a brief while but retired.
Surtees actually tricked Brabham into an oil slick which made him lose momentum accelerating out of the last curve. Surtees won having just led the last lap out of the 68 in total.
Right, Yeah!
To be fair to the March 751, it actually wasn't that bad of a car. Brambilla started the season out with the 741 and qualified 12th and 17th in Argentina and Brazil. His average qualifying position in the 751 however was 6,58 and that included him qualifying on pole in Sweden and 3rd at the Belgium GP. In total, he qualified in the top 5 five times and never lower than 11th (Hans-Joachim Stuck even managed to qualify the car 4th in Italy, taking the tally up to 6). Also before that race in Austria, he actually led 17 laps (in Belgium and Sweden) and in total led 28 laps that season. That equates to approximately 3,7 % of the total laps. To compare that with Maldonado in 2012, he only led 3,1 % of the season. The big problem with the March 751 was that it was a unreliable car. In 30 starts, the car only finished 11 times (including in Britain where Donohue crashed, but was still classified 5th) and had 12 reliability problems plus the drivers having several accidents. Far from a great car, but perhaps not as bad its points tally should indicate.
On the Honda in 1967 though, that's a great point. I actually looked at the qualifying ranking from that season and the RA300 was more than 2 % of the pace of the fastest car (usually the Lotus of Jim Clark), so that that one l actually think should have been included (especially because of the circumstances it won the Italian GP).
Personally, l would have included the Brabham BT54 (1985). Major stepdown compared to the its predecessors (The BT52 won the championship in 1983, while the BT53 won two races and took 9 poles in 1984 (equalling the record at that time)). Only won in France because of the combination of the Pirelli tyres and the ultrapowerful BMW engine. Although the car worked well on fast circuits, it was not competitive on slow circuits and it was also unreliable. About a 1 % of in qualifying and when looking at the fastest laps it was almost 2 % of the front. This was also the final Brabham car that Piquet drove before switching to Williams for 86'. So in general, it was the car that proved to him that Brabham no longer was a frontrunning team.
Excellent video guys... thoroughly enjoyed it and has been the cause of some thoughtful conversations about fortuitous grand prix victories
Jordan under the previous year's scoring system (2002) would have finished fifth in the constructors had they still used it in 2003. Ironically it was Eddie Jordan who was one of the people who recommended the change!
Which would have been a travesty since all other teams except Minardi were clearly better than Jordan. With three well established top teams (Ferrari, Williams and McLaren) taking up the top 6 spots all the time and reliability continuously improving across the field, the old points system was simply outdated.
1:36 TERRIBLE day en 1977 Kyalami GP, dude. You need know more F1 story.
Gasly's Alphatauri
And the Alpine A521
The thing about the TR in 08, is that they had pace in Monza being 4th and 1st in Quali and they had pace kinda for the rest of the season
It definitely wasnt a bad car, was better than the RB that year IMO
Whilst the EJ13 was so awful you have to admit it is so beautiful
2003 had the most beautiful F1 cars in general and it was a close season with Räikkönen and Schumacher only two points apart and without his DNFs, Kimi would have been champion. :D
Gelfrat yeah it was pretty awesome
RIGHT?
EJ11 is better
EJ11 is better
You should do a video on all the unlikely podiums of the unlikely podiums in the hybrid v6 era. It might be short.
Jacob Brassard Perez, Perez, Stroll, Perez, Kvyat, Perez
From the top of my head:
2014 - Perez (Bahrain)
2015 - Grosjean (Belgium)
Perez (Russia)
2016 - Perez (Azerbaijan)
Perez (Monaco)
2017 - Stroll (Azerbaijan)
2018 - Perez (Azerbaijan)
2019 - Kvyat (Germany)
@@toma6068 It's weird how Perez is just rated as an average driver
@@toma6068 2019 -Kvyat, Gasly, Sainz now
@@DJ-Ophidian Perez is a fairly good driver. With a bit better cars could be in the neighborhood of Ralf Schumacher and likes...
Brilliant, I think you got all the ones I could think of along with a couple more. I think the Arrows A18 deserves an honorable mention, even if it was pipped on the last lap.
You guys might want to look in to some kind of filter for your microphone. The S sounds in this are pretty horrible.
No filter can fix the narrator's pronunciation of 'Keke'.
Sometimes ago, me and other man have the similiar suggestion. That time is the volume, while they doing it outside.
Yeah
They need to use a simple de esser.
get better headphones or speakers to tone down the sibilance. lisp is kinda a problem as well tho...
After this season we can probably add the 2020 Alpha Tauri to this list
Probably the 5th or even 6th quickest car, regularly a second plus down on the leading car, next best finish of p4
That 2009 Ferrari was a lovely looking car
CJ that’s a brilliant comment 😂. Cat agree with you but that’s a brilliant phrase
Honourable Mention:
- 2012 Williams FW34
- 2020 Alphatauri AT01
- 2021 Alpine A521
-1999 Stewart Ford SF3
2012 Williams was actually a really competitive car, definitely on par with Mercedes or Ferrari. they just had the worst possible drivers
@@aggerktm, I still don’t think they would’ve done as bad as they did, though. Any driver that could last at least a year in F1 would consistently do good in a competitive car
March 752, Vittorio Brambilla,1975 Austrian GP. Best result of 12th.
he won the austrian gp
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Thanks,I did not notice the error!
And the performance of his team mates that year was awful as well. Should easily have been on this list.
Yep!👍 A Very Well Produced & Informative Video! 🙏
March 751 Austrian GP 1975, left Brambilla in 11th in the driver’s standings and March 8th in the constructor’s
I said the same
That car was not so bad, one victory, one pole, one fastest lap and three times took the lead of a race (Belgium, Sweden and Austria).
Black Wolf Inconsisitent and terribly unreliable though
@@Sean-if7rp about the fact that was terribly unreliable I agree, but March was more a commercial enterprise, selling cars in F1, F2 and F3, that a true F1 team and so with its highs and lows. The same car, with a more dedicate team, probably could have won more.
Black Wolf The STR3 had more success than the 751 with a far better funded team, so the 751 although a great effort for March, was a very unlikely win and deserves a place in this list
Unfortunatelly, Arrows is not there
Damon Hill...so close!
Nor Alfa Romeo.....
Let's have some respect for that picture of Gilles Villeneuve's Ferrari at 4:22. What a superb picture that.
Kimi handing the win to Fisichella in 2003 meant he lost the championship to Schumacher by 2 points. Oh my!
He still would have lost it. With equal points, but the number of wins which clearly favoured Schumacher would have been the tie breaker.
Only two points between P1 and P2 back then. Which is part of the reason why Räikkönen got so close to winning the world championship with only one win all season in the first place.
Very annoying way of commenting. Suggesting that Kimi lost the championship because of that.
Also lost 2 points in Silv to a very fiery Bazza
And now... AlphaTauri AT01
I never knew that Toro Rosso moved the weight distribution for that race, giving them the advantage. I also didnt know it was basically a RBR car with a ferrari engine in it
But one myth is wrong some say they had a wet setup but that is a lie. Vettel himself said that they had to choose between a wet setup and a dry and the choose the dry but it worked anyway.
They were also the only team to bring brembo brakes. Coupled that with the fact that the main winners were struck with poor luck and it was just a Red Bull and the win isn't really that impressive.
The latter part is unsurprising. Toro Rosso is Red Bull's secondary so them passing down old tech makes sense since the drivers they're seasoning for later runs in the RB team get to get used to the kind of machines RB runs without having the pressure of being a front-runner.
EJ13:
YES! I’ve won a thing!
*WOOSH*
OH COME ON! I’m on fire now?
No Williams in Spain 2012?
The Williams wasn't a bad car, Besides Spain Maldonado and Bruno made it look worse than it was.
A car that wins on merit probably isn't that bad. The drivers however....
our God Maldonardo is too superior for this list
2012 field was almost equal from top to bottom. Some car have edge but not massive. Even Vettel championship winning car was unreliable and slow in the beginning
rockzs74r McLaren had the fastest car by some distance, their reliability is what cost Lewis the title, and Jenson lost his touch in the first half of the season. They were generally just unlucky.
Oh God do I miss Gilles! I remember his Monaco win. Here in Canada we were able to watch the race on ABC Wide World of Sports... if you had cable! And we had the race shown in the afternoon over here. Only other race we could watch was the Canadian GP which was on CBC. Now with TSN getting the Sky Sports feed, I can watch every race as it happens. Most of them at 8 am EDT.
The 2008 Renault 😏🤭
yeah, he even won twice that season
Cool to see a very young Rob Smedley behind Fisichella in the Jordan Team photo. Having listened to his Beyond The Grid Podcast he had a lot going on in the background at that time!
A lot of people saying the 2012 Williams. Not a bad shout on results alone, but that car ran strongly at Valencia, Singapore and Abu Dhabi. Good car let down by its drivers and reliability...
Jack Clark Maldonado was very good, but he crashed a bit too much. Reliability has always been an issue for the 2009-2019 Williams
Mercedes' 2014-2019 have been quite appalling.
Yes
mikoku921 uhhhhhh... okay......
mikoku921 especially at germany, the drivers and car are so shit they can’t even stay on the track 😂
i agree, its amazing how many great results that team can get with such a horrible car
Idioticcheeze I think it’s the drivers.
Waiting for 2019 Williams car to win a grand prix and give you some troubles to update this video. 😂
I am yet to see a race finish with only two cars.
1996 Monaco. If both Williams and maybe a Torro Rosso with no floor finish the race.
Great video, I loved the background song
Very good video the 1983 Benetton and the 1996 Ligier are two beautiful car!
Fisichella´s car is in Otavio Mesquita Living Room.
Honda RA300 - Led only one lap in Monza - the last of the 1967 Italian GP. Next best result 4th.
Good God those 1950's cars were absolutely gorgeous!
Can we take a moment to appreciate how Fisichella was one safety car away from winning a race in a Force India?
McLaren MP4-19 ____ Just the one win at spa at the hands of the iceman without the Mercedes engine blowing up!
Yep, didn't a journalist have to run a circuit naked because he said that car wouldn't win a race? :P
Still remember the 2003 Brazilian GP that I watched live. What a rollercoaster!
iirc, the 2003 tyre regs meant teams couldn’t bring both inters and wets to a race, they had to choose one or the other and lot ran inters which couldn’t deal with the river that ran across turn 3 causing chaos. Great race to watch and the Jordan on fire was the icing on the dramatic cake 😂
Hell of a race by Gilles Villeneuve in Spain and in many other tracks! His win in Spain is truly memorable!... The greatest F1 driver to have ever lived! Salut Gilles!
Why's everyone in the comment section complaining about the audio of the video? I've listened this with both headset and speakers and it sounds just fine to me. His voice carries clearly over the music and..... there's no problem to speak of in my end :D
At least the jordan is the most beautiful car on this list. always liked the buzzing hornets
Jordan '98, recently watched 'Driving ambition' about Jordan's season and there was a lot of drama with the car before that
Fun fact: at 8:45 during th team photo you can see both Lewis' race engineer Bono as well as Felipe Massa's later race engineer Rob Smedley. Both of them are standing to Fisi's left.
Fun factor Tyrell is now the Mercedes F1 team we have now, becoming bar after the '98 season, Honda in 2006, brawn gp in '09 then Mercedes bought them and officially returned as a constructor in 2010 👌
Pastor Maldonado: "AM I A JOKE TO YOU?"
It's worst cars victories, not worst driver ;)
@@Cancoillotteman Their next best reult that year was 5th :P
@@PavarottiAardvark with two bad drivers, and if you just look at 1996's Ligier it was a far worse car than the Williams
@@PavarottiAardvark And yet Pastor could have finished on the podium in Valencia 2012, and they scored decently, not to mention on a single lap pace, it was a pretty rapid car. That Williams is not worth this list.
2020 Update - Pierre Gasly at Monza in the Alpha Tauri
Edit - I didn’t mean to start a war in the reply’s, 2020 was my first season so I didn’t know average results for pst cars. All I knew was that the AT was almost never a podium car. So sorry if I offended you.
Why ???!! The Alpha Tauri was an ok car for the standards...compare it to Fisis Jordan ???!!! or Michele's Tyrrell....
@@user-ns7tv2li1u True, but AT was still worse car than top 5 teams
@@snobey Cmon nobody had the expectations on AT winning just compete...Dont say it was for garbage..
@@user-ns7tv2li1u Did I say that AT was garbage? I just said that some teams were better
@@snobey Not for you but 60% F1 fans believe that for the last year car...What about the tyres ?? Imagine AT and Red Bull ( Honda Powered) in Bridgestone or Yokohama if you prefer...Alpine & Mercedes in Michelin , Haas in Fitestone , Aston Martin in Dunlop or Avon...your opinion ???!!
Fascinating. Thanks 👍
I'm glad you mentioned that terrible Ferrari that Gilles Villeneuve won twice with in 1981. A lot of people now don't realize how bad that car was. Ferrari had lost the script at the time; Villeneuve used to break the uncompetitive cars pushing them too hard, and Enzo Ferrari told his engineers to quit complaining and build better cars.
I didn't see Johnny Herbert's win in the Stewart at Nurburgring in 99
This steward wasnt so bad. When u look Barrichello performance in this season. He was always keep fighting with Mclarens and Schumacher. He led his home gp for 30-40 laps but the engine's gone broken down.
@@habor9299
Hamidy did nice work at the time.
Subsequently, Arrows was waaaaay faster than they deserved to be given their (no) budget.
While the win was unexpected, the car was actually pretty decent that year.
They had a few podiums that year but the reliability was pretty awful
Come on, how is the 2009 Ferrari worse than, say, the 1999 Stewart-Ford? The gaps within the field in 2009 were so close that the grid was completely mixed up on a weekly basis depending on the track characteristics. So you put someone in a car he's not used to and that's difficult to handle late in the season with testing prohibited. Of course he's gonna lose a second per qualifying lap to his world champion team mate. In 2009, that meant you're starting all the way at the back of the grid, even if the car is fast enough to win. The real story in Spa 2009 would have been the Force India winning. Not the Ferrari. That car was good enough for podiums on multiple other occasions. And while KERS may have been a disadvantage at the start of the season, it certainly helped in the later stages, especially on a track like Spa.
Stewart was 4th in the championship and they had other podiums and a pole position at Magny Cours but neither should have been Top 10. Williams and Mercedes both won a race in 2012 and finished 8th and 5th in the champsionship.
Alan Jones is such an under-rated F1 champion. I met AJ at Eastern Creek a few years back and he and I were chatting, and a media/press handler was calling him trying to get him over to a media obligation. AJ ignored him and kept talking to me, I asked if I could take a pic of him, we kept chatting about V8’s in Australia and the media handler kept calling AJ. He turned around, he said ‘will you fuck off! Im talking to someone. I will be there when I’m ready, and if you call me again, I’ll go home’. AJ told someone he was paid by, to fuck off, to talk to ME! And I’m a no one. Absolutely cool dude. Sir Jack was an absolute gentleman, and a total genius, but nowhere as cool as AJ lol. Now it’s 42 years since Australia has had a world champion F1 driver, and we’ve only had 2 of them. I think we are due now, after Webber was robbed.
Wins, pits, car catches on fire.
*TASK FAILED SUCCESSFULLY*
Never understood how the BRM made such awful engines post war. BRM had massive funding and many of their engineers helped design what I’ve heard pretty much every historian call the greatest aircraft engine ever made- the Merlin. They helped England win the war but god, were they awful at motor racing. Luckily cosworth came along. I don’t know for sure but cosworth has to be up at or near the top as the greatest engine builders in F1 history. I love that old documentary about the turbo engine they built back in the day when turbo lag made it go from 400-1400hp in the blink of an eye.
One of the main problems with BRM was that they tried to push the envelope too far and believing their great expertise would eventually make them succeed. Another was that they reportedly still used WWI era tooling and material standards in the 1960's which is why some of their engines worked while others just broke down.
As for "awful engines". The supercharged 1,5 liter V16 was awful (made a fantastic sound though) as was the 3,0 liter H16 of the mid 60's. That being said their 1,5 liter V8 of 1962-1967 was a fine engine which won the lion's share of all their wins. I'd say it was roughly equal and probably better than the Climax V8 - which was mated to better cars. The BRM V12 of 1968-1972 was powerful and good enough to win races with. By now however BRM was struggling with funding (as did most of the British motor industry) quality control was suffering and the engines used for way too many races. BRM hence lacked the funds to develop the V12 and it eventually soldiered on far far too long. Originally it was a fine design though.
And statistically Cosworth *are* the greatest engine builders in F1 history. The legendary DFV V8 won 155 races from 1967 to 1983. Had the turbo era not arrived by the early 80's it's a fair bet the DFV would have remained competitive way into the late 80's. Jean Alesi's 1990 Tyrrell had an evolution of the DFV behind him and he challenged Senna in his McLaren Honda for a win at Phoenix. Not too shabby for an engine which had debuted 23 years earlier.
While the first turbo era in F1 ended the DFV's reign ironically it started another reign in Indycars in its turbocharged DFX form. It won 10 consecutive Indy500's and CART (Indycar) titles. The DFX ended the over 40 year long reign of the Offenhauser 4 cylinder engine at Indy.
Btw the Cosworth DFV won the LeMans 24 hours too. In 1975 with Mirage and in 1980 with the all-private built Rondeau (driven by Jean Rondeau himself).
@@McLarenMercedes The main problem with the V16 was that they used a centrifugal supercharger based on the Merlin without realising that its characteristics were unsuited to a car with no downforce and 1950s tyre and suspension development. With a Roots supercharger its power delivery would have been much more usable. I'd argue that the H16 was a vastly inferior design as it was not only unreliable but also underpowered and vastly overweight.
What about Hill's Jordan in 1998? Tho I guess Jordan's better performance in second half of that season wud argue against it
Was thinking Jordan of 1998 as well, and then the fact that Jordan were A LOT better in the second half, when the win in Spa came.
When they said Jordan, I thought of Spa as well, but the one in brasil was also quite lucky
1:37 Looks like the ill fated Renzo Zorzi Shadow parked up and the 1977 South African GP, RIP Tom Pryce.
It is sadly
I see the Jordan got a little TOO excited about the win.
“I’VE WON SOMETHING! I’VE ACTUALLY WON SOMETHING!”
*fwoom*
“Ah, crap.... Not again.....”
The 08 STR was not bad, it was bascially the same chassis as the RBR car and had the superior ferrari engine. In this case, the RBR from 2008 is actually worse.
Being a Red Bull clone with a better engine didn't mean it was a good car in that times. Even Red Bull with more experienced drivers didn't really come close to winning before 2009 when they actually did have a good car thanks to the new regulations Newey used very well.
"Where's the 2012 Williams?"
That car never made the list because it was actually a good car, they just didn't have the drivers, had they have recruited better drivers, they'd have probably gotten more podiums at least and more wins at most.
You missed Pastor Maldonado and his Win in Spain and Williams
If Autosport wrote an article about this, they would charge the readers a fee to read the full article.
Expected to see only 3/10 cars in this video!
He's bad
He's worst
But the most important is
He win
Damon hill came close to winning the Arrows would have been on list if he hadnt been passed iirc on the last lap.
Yeah, but if there weren't for many "IFs", half of these cars would never won a race. So it kinda works both ways :)
F2012, Alonso putting that thing in contention was his greatest feat
Yes, that will be his lasting legacy, what a Brazilian gp it was that year
Alan Jones used to scare his rivals in to a mistake but he could hound them off the track.
Worst F1 car to win a F1 race (though not a championship race) was probably the Theodore TR1 Keke Rosberg won the BRDC International Trophy at Silverstone in 1978 with. It only ever qualified for a single F1 championship race (Rosberg qualified it 24th in the South African GP) and was too slow even to pass pre-qualifying which they had back then. The Theodore TR1 was basically an old F2 Ralt with an used Cosworth DFV bolted to it. The team itself was owned by Hong Kong shipping magnate Theodore Yip who suddenly decided he wanted to compete in F1 despite knowing absolutely nothing about it. The Theodore team only lasted four seasons in F1 and only scored two points in total.
The BRDC International Trophy may not have been a championship race in 1978 but the F1 elite were all there. Among them: Lauda, Fittipaldi, Andretti, Hunt, Peterson, Ickx and Regazzoni. It was also Keke Rosberg's 2nd ever F1 race. Conditions were awful but Rosberg kept his cool and won.
I didn't know this great performance achieved by the Flying Finn, thank you.
Johnny Herbert in a Stewart-Ford at Nurembergring in '99
The 99 Stewart wasn't a "bad" car. Regular points finisher that season. Miles better than their previous two efforts in 97 and 98
Barrichello led the Brazilian Grand Prix that year
@@lukewilliams8205 Also led in France starting from pole.
The two I remember from my childhood was the 1998 spa 1-2 victory for Jordan with a car that otherwise was a midfielder and the 1999 Nurburgring victory for Johnny Herbert in the Stewart (actually a pretty decent car) but still not a race winner
Spa 1998 was mine first race i visited
Still, many of these victories either come from wet races, or very challenging and/or twisty street circuits: that's why we still need Monaco, and I'd also like to see Macau or Adelaide added/returning to the Calendar, they add impredictability.
Montréal too very often yields spectucalr races, and for the same reason.
1999 Stewart is missing, that's a weird choice
the Stewart was a pretty good car, 4th best car of that season (behind McLaren, Ferrari and jordan
@@joribremer5260 Of course but as a race winning car it was pretty bad. (and I might suggest it was worse than the Williams as well, just that Williams had a number 2 Driver in Zanardi who F1 had passed by a little bit and was quite unlucky leaving Ralf to do all their scoring).
It would be like a Renault or McLaren winning today, truly shocking. Whereas some of the cars on this list just weren't that bad (or their flaws were more of a reliability nature which made them ill suited to success over a season but didn't really preclude them being fast on a given day).
Definitely not a bad car. One of the great underdog teams imo. Barrichello was a handful that season!
@@mr8I7 yeah but we're talking 4th best car at best and it wasn't even Rubens who got the win.
1:38 R.I.P Tom Pryce.
Sometimes it's better to be Lucky than Good!! 🤔
That famous race in '08 would also give the former Minardi team its only win ever. And man was it a special race for them.