Everything you need to know about Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
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In this video I take a look at the second film in the Star Trek franchise, Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan (1982)
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So glad they were able to get Ricardo Montalban back for this. He gives a dignity and gravity the role.
Nick Meyer tells a wonderful story about getting Montalban to dial it down in the BOTANY BAY scene. In the first take, Montalban nailed the entire scene down but in full scenery-chew. Meyer called for a break and called Meyer back to his trailer...all the while realizing that while he was making only his second feature film, the actor following him was a seasoned veteran of several decades. In his trailer Meyer said something like "Olivier had a saying: never show an audience your 'top'...you want to keep them guessing what you might do..." and then Meyer feinted a lunge at him. Montalban said (in that amazing voice), "Ahh, I seeee...you are trying to DIRECT me..." and then "Good! Good! I NEED direction!" and proceeded to tell him how once some director simply told him and Lana Turner, "Ricardo, Lana...make it a good scene." It was Meyer's and Montalban's creative collaboration that gave us Khan as a bitter, seething maniac bent on avenging his love's death on Kirk.
Was willing to do the role of Khan for nothing because enjoyed playing the character so much Montalban ended up making $100,000.00 .
This has to be in my top ten favorite movies
Gravitas
Dee plane! Dee plane!
Khan stands as one of the greatest cinematic villains of all time.... how Montalban could just DRIP venom with every line, without crossing into cheese is still a mystery to me.
Because Montalban was amazing. That's how. There will never be another like him.
I like Cumberbatch and all, but he just didn't have the same gravitas and exotic look.
Drip venom, ha ha ha, what a fabulous way to describe his performance!!!
Bordering on Shakespearean.
He put the emotions behind it. We believe he is angry and wants Kirks blood.
I like the comment that Harv Bennett, not being familiar with Star Trek, went out and watch EVERY episode of the show to familiarize himself with the source material. Where is this dedication with the New Trek movies, Star Trek Discovery, and the new Star Wars films???
Bingo!
Bennett had respect for the series and tried to keep the movies in-line with the integrity of the original series.
Certain cast members may not have liked Bennett but I think he tried to do right by the series unlike what some TOS fans think. There's always going to be personality conflicts in productions but I think time and the way the majority of the films he produced have held up rule in his favor, honestly.
It's unfortunate what happened with Trek V but as they say, "Shit happens!" and I think because TNG was in production at the same and was doing well Paramount may not have been as inclined to favor and give TOS a better shot at the time. Frank Mancuso (the top guy at Paramount at the time) was at least gracious enough to give Nimoy and Nicholas Meyer the opportunity to produce ST VI in time for the 25th anniversary of the original series. And Paramount was smart enough to okay the production of the two-episode TNG tie-in to that movie, "Unification." That's one of the last very intelligent decision-making that's happened with Trek:TOS. What was done for the 50th anniversary of Trek was just pathetic -- there was next to no celebration and just a re-release of TOS (in a very nice LE set but it really had no new content if you already had the seasons and movies on Blu ray) and the Roddenberry Vault collection.
Today's producers and directors just try to re-invent/regurgitate (the best word to use since the end product often IS vomit!) things and don't care if they stay true to the source so long as they can "put their personal stamp" on their finished product.
That's, for example, why they haven't been able to produce a GOOD Superman movie in nearly 40 years.
They just "don't get it" and don't realize how this torques off the older fans. They're only interested in the money of the 20-something crowd that regularly goes to movies (and watches anything uncritically) but the studio dummies don't realize the guys in their 30s, 40s, and 50s actually STILL have more money than college-aged students and younger!
And we're all poorer for that attitude!
I'll be honest -- I'll be damned if I watch another Star Wars film produced by the people in charge of that series at Disney OR watch Star Trek: Discovery based on what I saw in the previews and what I've been hearing about the production episodes. I was sorely disappointed by the last Star Wars film (as if the unimaginative remake, SW 7, wasn't bad enough!) and have no desire to see another new Star Trek OR Star Wars production after recent developments and the attitude displayed by the likes of Kathleen Kennedy and JJ on video. IT'S ON VIDEO is what makes me question the fans of these people because they're so condescending towards people in general!
I'm certainly NOT buying SW Episode 8 OR Star Trek: Discovery on home video no matter how much sites like The Digital Bits (which I like for the news/street date updates but HATE for the reviews because they like EVERYTHING including utter shit like Justice League and Star Wars Episode 8) and StarWars.com talk these things up.
In fact, I'm rewatching the original Star Trek series on Blu ray right now!
AvengerII Star Trek Discovery is NOT worth paying for on CBSAA or waiting for DVD/Blu Ray, or even getting them online.
preach
Especially when you just oppose it against Robert wise who went into the assembly of the previous film stone cold, without even a small amount of prior research. Always liked that one also, but this one is much more definitive.
To answer that question... It doesn’t... We have idiots that think they can shit out art and genius like nothing.
The best Star Trek movie of all time.
Most definitely the best of the best loved it
Amen
Absolutely. Loved it as a kid and love it now.
Yep.
And one of finest science fiction movies there has ever been.
Whenever I'm busy at work and someone calls for me, I tell the receptionist to "Let them eat static!"
can anyone remember any of the dialogue from the most recent Trek movies?
Good One!
What do you say when the receptionist informs you that the caller still hasn't raised their shields?
Raise ours! Then trace the call and FIRE!!!
I only recite JJ Trek dialogue when I'm on a diet and need an appetite suppressant.
Excellent job! I confess, my friends and I yelled 'Khan!!!" out our car windows about a dozen times in the early morning hours after viewing it twice on opening night...
Later, when it played at the drive-ins over a hundred car loads of people would shout it... You can't get that rush watching the DVD.
Exceptional movies always age well, like a good wine.
Some digital touches here and there, and it would do fine on cinemas in 2018.
Even allowing its faults, and that it was produced very much of its time, I wouldn't touch a frame.
*the digital touches would be so minor as to not be really necessary...true a high resolution remaster would be amazing and in that respect a few tweaks might be needed but apart from that, i would easily welcome this masterpiece's return to the theaters...in fact seeing this in IMAX would be stunning*
*i have this soundtrack on LP and still enjoy it*
@@scottmantooth8785 I SECOND and THIRD THAT! And I TOO Have the Soundtrack on LP! It was a Christmas Present from my Mom/Parents! My Mom ALWAYS Knew the BEST Gifts to give people! She knew people's Hearts and Souls and What they Liked and Loved! She always said that I was "VERY Easy to buy for!" :) My Mom was AWESOME! I Miss her ALOT! :(
@@j.s.connolly8579 *very fortunate to have had such a mom...lost my mom a few years ago and can relate in some respects...mom was such a unique person (not that i'm being biased or anything) and loved everyone she ever came across and constantly made gifts for people...she knew sign language and even had learned a bit of Cherokee and played the ukulele on road trips (that was a lot of fun)... she loved being in the mountains and loved animals especially our black Lab...also got my sense of humor from my mom who got her's from her dad...good memories all around...very very blessed by having such amazing parents*
The best Star Trek film.
Sad but they never got better than Star Trek II. I was really upset that they even attempted to remake this film in Star Trek: Into Darkness. STID is the epitome of all the rubbish filmmaking and remakes that are typical today but of course you get called a curmudgeon by all the people who NEVER SAW any of the original cast feature films!!!!
I do like Trek III a lot of as a follow-on to Star Trek II. It's another gutsy film in the series and is very undervalued. I'm liking it better than Star Trek VI which used to be my next favorite film in the series.
I've cooled on Trek IV very much since the 1980s -- it hasn't aged well for me.
I've never cooled on Star Trek IV. It is still the closest to the heart of Star Trek you'll find in the film franchise. It was a straight-up fun adventure with a relevant socio-political message, giving every main character a chance to shine (rather than just sitting them at their console all movie), AND was able to do it all without the need of a "bad guy" to fight. Even from the outset, the alien probe was treated as something misunderstood, rather than a purposeful antagonist.
Star Trek II may have been the better "movie",... but I still say Star Trek IV is the best "Trek"
I still think ST2 is the best film in the franchise (by far), but I agree with you that ST4 is special in its own right. It's lighter, more adventurous, with such fun humor - plus it's the only film from 1982 - present which does not feel trapped in ST2's shadow. Star Trek's cinematic history peaked early... which both saved and doomed it.
Amazing that it all came together so well. The film that saved the franchise!
This film has one of favourite movie shots of all time. When the Enterprise escapes the Genesis explosion Meyer cuts to Spock's empty chair, and Kirk's creeping realisation that something is very wrong. Throw that in with Horner's score - brilliant. So effective and affective.
McCoy (haunted): "Jim, you'd better get down here."
Kirk (puzzled): "Bones?"
McCoy (haunted): "Better hurry...."
Yes! A very well-filmed scene. The musical score here, in crescendo, is sheer emotional perfection.
Kahn...Kahn...Kahn............... from deep within the planet. No, I shal have him. Revenge is a dish best served cold! Like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target! I have been, and always shall be yours. Are you out of your Vulcan mind? This movie was not only great for what we saw, but what was said.
Spock: "As a matter of cosmic history, it has always been easier to destroy, than to create." McCoy: "Not anymore! NOW we can do both at the same time! According to myth, the Earth was created in 6 days. Now watch out! Here comes Genesis! We'll do it for ya in 6 MINUTES!"
Wrath of Khan was like a gut punch when it came out, similar to Empire Strikes Back. Outstanding, but super heavy. Wasn't until The Dark Knight that another action film resonated the same way.
Bingo!
I actually thought that TMP was a harder gut punch. Kirk just wants to force time to get backwards abd make things as they where before, but it doesn't work out and everything feels stiff and strange and not quite how it used to be. I can understand that fans didn't like it at the time, but as the start of q film series, its genious.
Not just a superb Star Trek film, but a superb film in its own right. Massive respect to Nick Meyer. And hard to believe James Horner was just 28 when he came up with that wonderful score.
Wrong way round. He recycled Khan (1982) music in Aliens (1986). However, some of his Battle Beyond the Stars (1980) music made it into Khan.
There's a particular 'accelerating sequence' which actually appears in almost every Horner movie, appearing most prominently in Titanic (1997) .
Then again, Jerry Goldsmith was just the same - listen to Star Trek V and Total Recall side by side and theme music excepted, they have the same scores!
That's the big thing. Wrath of Khan is easily one of (if not the) best movies in the franchise,... but it is not the best Trek. It falls short of what Star Trek stood for, for the sake of making a better movie. This brings up a very good point I try to make. Star Trek belongs on Television. That is where it thrives the most, and where it can do what it is meant to with the greatest effect.
Star Trek movies (for the most part) are more for bringing in more viewers for when Star Trek returns to television.
Even when a Star Trek film tried to be just like TOS (right down to the relatively poor visuals and campiness) it failed. This, of course, being Final Frontier. You have to find a blend of good movie and good Trek, which is relatively difficult to do, as the two don't always jive together. For my money, the closest we ever came to this perfect blend was Voyage Home. Though,... if it were made today, it would get ripped to shreds by people calling it "leftist garbage" I'm sure.
Oh, and speaking of James Horner's wonderful score, the movie score was the one thing I DIDN'T like about Voyage Home, and wish they could have gotten either Horner or Goldsmith to return for it. It sounded a bit too Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings to me,... but then Nimoy was a big Tolkien fan...
I find James Horner always recycles his music. Since he was fresh during STWOK, it is more of a baseline of where his major themes begin to start (heck, can even hear a few movements in Avatar that are reminiscent of STWOK). While I do enjoy Horner’s music that shows up in the Star Trek films of the 80s, Goldsmith is more everlasting. Look at how different his score of Alien is to ST the motion picture. Then how the theme of motion picture would be picked up by Next Gen later on.
How about Horner's soundtrack for Apollo 13?
+dsr0116 I couldn't disagree more. James Horner absolutely knocked it out of the park with this one. The soundtrack to Wrath of Khan is one of the greatest soundtracks ever composed for any movie and will always remain his finest work imho.
in memory of Spock , Live long and prosper - RIP.... \\//
In memory of DeForest Kelly too! "I'm a Doctor, not a .... "
Let's Not forget James "Scotty" Doohan. "The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
This is my all time favorite move..I must have watched this a 1,000 times
Star Trek II saved Star Trek. Without the success of the movies it is highly unlikely that there would have been any additional TV series.
And ironically, those TV series went on to kill Star Trek, mostly through departing from source material and ending up more like TMP.
Wait... are you trying to say that Next Generation was killing Star Trek? TNG played a greater hand in ushering in a kind of Star Trek renaissance, leading toward Deep Space Nine and Undiscovered Country (arguably the biggest time in Star Trek's history).
Hell, TNG kept Star Trek afloat when Final Frontier could have potentially crashed it into the ground. Though,... many of Star Trek V's failings can be attributed to Paramount too.
+K1productions
_"Wait... are you trying to say that Next Generation was killing Star Trek? TNG played a greater hand in ushering in a kind of Star Trek renaissance, leading toward Deep Space Nine and Undiscovered Country (arguably the biggest time in Star Trek's history)."_
Judging from some of your other comments, I'm mildly surprised to see you reference _Deep Space Nine_ and _Undiscovered Country,_ since you think having a military is antithetical to the Federation's ideals (despite those ideals including protection for it's citizens). I'd have assumed they were both too military for your blood.
_"Hell, TNG kept Star Trek afloat when Final Frontier could have potentially crashed it into the ground. Though,... many of Star Trek V's failings can be attributed to Paramount too."_
The problem with TNG was a shift in ideology, to a system that simply cannot work in Star Trek's universe. Starfleet was reformatted - and semi-retconned - into a massive intra-Federation diplomacy team, rather than an expeditionary military out to explore new worlds. In TOS's episode, _A Taste of Armageddon,_ we see that Starfleet operates separately from the diplomats, and only serves to ferry them from planet to planet. TNG's "Diplomat Starfleet" severely clashed with the existing lore, and caused major issues with newer series, with new writers not at all knowing how to balance the opposing concepts.
Once again you misunderstand me. In Deep Space Nine, we see a war begin slowly over time, and a slow shift into the need to be soldiers out of necessity. Even the introduction of the Defiant took time, and was introduced as something that was radical, new, and not exactly in line with typical Starfleet mindsets.
Undiscovered Country I do have such problems with, BUT it uses those aspects to tell a relevant socio-political story, comparing itself to the end of the Cold War, and how certain people of the time reject the idea, as they can only define themselves through conflict. I don't think Admiral Cartwright was the right man to pull this on, as so much more could have been done with the wonderful Brock Peters. And we all know Gene Roddenberry was against making Kirk racist. Something Nick Meyer promised Gene he would change,... then once Gene died, he refused to follow through on his promise.
Even so, the military feel of Undiscovered Country complimented the narrative and served the story in a necessary way. And even after all that, it still ended on a positive note, with a message of peace and understanding as we move toward the Undiscovered Country of the future. I just wish we got to see how Qo'noS survived, as there was supposedly only 50 years of life left on the planet. ... y'know, the reconstruction of the Klingon Empire would have made for a great (at the very least) miniseries. Show how we got from where we were, to the alliance we saw in early TNG (note in "Heart of Glory", when the Klingon Captain was on screen, we see both the emblems of the Klingon Empire and the Federation behind him).
Now, I do agree that lore had clashed pretty severely in TNG. Even in the very first episode,... it erased the fact that the Eugenics wars were "The last of your so-called World Wars" and threw in a "Post Atomic Horror" nearly a century later,.... THEN in TNG's (arguably) best movie, retconned that again by putting First Contact 15 years before Q's terrifying courtroom scene, thus invalidating it.
and then we have Voyager going back in time to 1996,... where there was nary a Eugenics War to be found.
I actually liked how Star Trek Enterprise (in its exceptional fourth season) actually referenced the Eugenics Wars as if they still occurred in the proper place in Trek lore. Deep Space Nine did this too, but more as a passing reference in "Doctor Bashir, I Presume"
Hell no, STII was a massive step back from exploration and first contact to progressive stuff like World War II submarine hijinx, revenge, charismatic villains, and banter.
I Loved The Scene where Kirk uses the Prefix Code to get the Reliant's Shields down. I after Blasting Reliant and Reliant withdraws, I Loved the lines, "Sir, You Did It!" and Kirk goes, "I Did Nothing! I just got caught with my Britches Down".
Dave Druid Mr Saavik. You go right on quoting Starfleet regulations!
Then: "Lets see how badly were Hurt" followed by Turbo Lift opening with Scotty holding a Badly Injured Engineer Cadet.
I never understood why Scotty would do that....If wounded, he should go to Sickbay, and if dead, there are teams aboard which move the dead to the ships' morgue.
No, it was for the Shock Factor for that particular Scene.
Dave Druid no... It WAS Scottys nephew. As revealed in the deleted scenes. Do you think thats the first man Scottys ever lost yet he cried considerably. Cuz he was family. Look it up. Its in the directors cut, both the dvd/bluray as well as the 35 yr special screenings last year. Im sure the scenes here on youtube as well.
Re: J.J. Abrams' version: "It didn't quite work." - quite an understatement. :)
Yup...Benedict Cabbagepatch was such a weak Khan. Shoulda been antonio banderas and stuck to the original story of finding khan on the botany bay.
Think I enjoyed re running the old episodes more after seeing this film. The cast made you think of a group of old friends, and when revisiting the show you can imagine those friendships developing.
I got home from the movie theater and found "Space Seed" was showing on TV, but Mom said I couldn't watch TV after going to the movies! I had to wait for it to cycle around again.
@@sandal_thong8631 Parents have to make a lot of decisions. And they'll never please everyone.
@@ploppysonofploppy6066 I didn't realize when I was 11 that going to the movies meant I had to give up my allowed 1-hour of TV that day! Arbitrary decision.
@@sandal_thong8631 And no appeal process I suppose. That's life I guess.🤷♂️
This was the second Star Trek movie I saw after "The Voyage Home." It will always have such a special place in my heart. To me it's really a story of survival.
Star Trek II is my favorite film of the original series. I was an 8 yr old kid totally mesmerized for 2 hrs in a jam packed theater. Great story, lot's of action, a few suspenseful scenes and of course the emotional ending. Still holds up to today.
For my money the very
best of the six Star Trek
movies. Heart breaking
ending. Paul Bacchus
My wife and I saw it in the theater...she knew just enough about Kirk and Spock's relationship, that when Spock dies, she cried. I was taken aback by that.
@@johntiggleman4686 I cried too
For you young Trekkers, the running joke around the cons was that Khan ran into Chekov in the bathroom taking a leak, grabbed him and threw him out. That's why "he never forgets a face."
A lot of terrific information here; thanks for putting this together.
Well done, sir. You even managed to surprise me with a few of your unearthed facts about the production, and I thought I had heard it all by this point. A real pleasure to watch. Thanks!
Love love love this movie. This had everything you would want in a movie plus some. This made a 12yr old boy very happy in 1982
I love all the Star Trek movies....but this one gives it the punch it needed to keep it alive.....Ricardo Montalbon was the perfect person for the role.....he makes the character a formidable enemy for Kirk's character.....thanks for sharing....HIGH 5
Thank you for making this great video!
Wow, outstanding overview! Thank you!
Wrath of Khan remains the best Trek film ever made. Thanks for sharing JonnyBaak
Wrath of Khan is still my favourite Star Trek movie of all time
Roddenberry was to STar Trek what Syd Barrett was to Pink Floyd. His vision, his image,and it never could have continued until he left.
Great anaology.
Great video about a brilliant film!
2:51 that male Saavik looks uncannily like Antonio Banderas.
Very interesting. I wore out my VHS taped off TV in the 80’s. Hopefully my BluRay out lasts me.
Bravo! I thought I knew everything about this wonderful film, but I learned even more! Brilliant video Jonny!
He's basically reading everything from Wikipedia....
I mean not everything, just the facts about the making of
Great video and amazing insight into the making of TREK II. I hope you make another one for TREK III.
Thanks so much :-) Yes, I'm working on a Star Trek III video, should be out soon, I'm planning to do videos on all the Star Trek films! Stay tuned!
JonnyBaak That’s good to hear; I’ll be looking out for it. By the way, did you know that at one point, TREK II was going to be called THE VENGEANCE OF KHAN, but it was changed when it was too close to REVENGE OF THE JEDI. So Khan’s vengeance became his wrath, and a Jedi’s revenge became his return.
Great introspective. I really enjoyed it.
One thing though, ILM didn't become Pixar. Pixar began of the Graphic Group of Lucasfilm back in 1979. It eventually was spun off into it's own company by 1986 which was still owned by Lucasfilm. Steve Jobs then bought Pixar and the rest became history. ILM was, of course, still part of the Lucasfilm family.
Yep. I was just going to say that.
Also STWOK wasn’t the first film with a complete CGI sequence. It was one of the first shaded sequences, but films like Star Wars had wireframe 3D animation before. The first movie considered to have 3D CGI animation is Futureworld (1976).
I don't think the video says ILM became Pixar. I think the video says the division within ILM is what broke off to become Pixar. ILM is still around.
Kirstie Ally's eyebrows weren't "vulcany" enough
it's great! in every frame you can see 110% effort by everyone involved. Always loved watching this then 3 and 4 to complete the round trip back home. Fantastic entertainment!!
Nice video, well done.Thank you.
I wish I had seen this one in the theater. I'm a Trekkie from childhood, so when us grown kids went to see the first one...well we all know how that went. One of my brothers stood up in the theater as the credits rolled and yelled"That sucked!" I rented this one and fell in love with Star Trek again. I saw "Search for Spock" in the theater and was not disappointed. Great video.
Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock are still my favorite Star Trek movies. None of the newer Star Trek movies come close!
Mike Zerker Into the Darkness was good. No?
Was ok I guess.
Dude undiscovered country was awesome
Yes Undiscovered Country was really good!
The Undiscovered Country is my second fave. But TWOK is flawless. TUC has a few goofs.
First saw this one in my last year of high school, and watched it over and over for a few months.
The first photograph was the Regency Theater on Van Ness Avenue in San Francisco, where the original Star Trek movie was shown, and the marquee shows that was the original movie, not Wrath of Kahn. I went to the first movie at the Regency in that same line that was depicted.
O.G. dawg!
Great job keep up the great work
You know you've gotta "WINNER" on your hands when you hear lines of dialogue from a film made decades ago, and it still sends chills through your body!!!! (He stayed at his post!😢)
Wow, Saavik was originally a male character??
I honestly didn't know that
That really would have changed what happens off screen between Saavik and young Spock in the next movie.
Saavik was male????? Sure fooled my verga!!!!
News to me too....
Saw it at the theater in '82 with my family while on vacation. I was one sad, little nerd when it ended. :'(
I have probably seen the movie at least 20 times and remember leaving the theatre after it originally played...simply amazing.
I remember how as a preteen seeing this with my dad and my super annoying older brother and my best friend at the time
Memories... I remember a PACKED theater. As in not an empty seat. Same age range as you. Probably like 10. 1st or 2nd weekend I'd guess. No internet or stuff to 'get ahead' of things. When Spock died... Holy (censored)ck... Audible crying, of adults too, in every direction. Looking back it's how "space and tech" would look to someone then; in the 80's. All sci-fi; Star Wars, Space Odyssey 2001, Battle Star Galactica (kinda "both" now... even the new BSG) ...they all look like 'the era' they were filmed in a bit. BUT AT THE TIME, no one seen anything like the Genesis computer scene. And the villain... well... really pulled you in with the drama. An all time great for Sci-Fi, and movies overall.
"Star Trek II - the Wrath of Khan" is in basically a submarine film. Especially during the Mutara Nebula Sequence. And till this day i think Nick Meyer did the BEST Trek films ever, in regards to seriousness & big pictures. Especially his directors cuts. However the most "Star Trek TOS" like Trek film to me is still "The Final Frontier" which feels so much like a regular episode and works fantastic that way.
I believe Gene Roddenberry intended Star Trek to follow submarine tactics early on. That's why I was wondering why he objected to the uniforms appearing more naval.
Yeah the red uniforms were a lot more militaristic but i loved them a lot more too, compared to the grey "throw-away" uniforms in "TMP" or the grey/black DS9 Uniforms in the last 3 Next Generation Crew movies.
+Brian Kitchens
Gene Roddenbery's entire stance on Star Trek and morality in general did a complete 180 somewhere in the 1970's. Before TMP, you can find quotes of him calling Starfleet a military service and deliberately organizing them as such. Epidodes that he had a direct hand in, like _Balance of Terror,_ and _Bread and Circuses_ deliberately separate Starfleet from civilian services like the Federation's Merchant Marine, and show them acting to _destroy_ hostile invading forces.
Its a conglomeration of defense, exploration, humanitarian aid, colonization, and so forth. The idea is that it can be everything, without having to be labelled as one thing in particular. How it can serve military roles, without being dominated by them. That is why in so many episodes, when outsiders cannot understand Starfleet being peaceful even though the Enterprise is so heavily armed, Kirk has to explain how the weapons are purely for defensive purposes and Starfleet does not seek conquest.
Sometimes some writers and directors forget this and choose to over-emphasize the military aspects, almost in spite of what the Federation truly stands for.
As for the "monster maroon" uniforms from Wrath, they look great,... but I don't see them as Duty Uniforms. They make more sense as Ceremonial Dress like the Marine Corps Dress Blues. Appropriate for diplomatic functions, ceremonial occasions, memorials and the like, but not appropriate for sitting at duty station for 6-8 hours. Even in the actual military, duty uniforms are more subdued
+K1productions
_"Its a conglomeration of defense, exploration, humanitarian aid, colonization, and so forth."_
Starfleet never colonizes anything. The most we see Starfleet do is defense and exploration, both of which are military initiatives.
_"That is why in so many episodes, when outsiders cannot understand Starfleet being peaceful even though the Enterprise is so heavily armed, Kirk has to explain how the weapons are purely for defensive purposes and Starfleet does not seek conquest."_
False equivalency: Military does not equal conquest.
_"Sometimes some writers and directors forget this and choose to over-emphasize the military aspects, almost in spite of what the Federation truly stands for."_
Because having a military in place to protect the citizens totally isn't necessary with Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and Borg as neighbors.
I love this film so much, every year at Christmas time I break out the old Wreath Of Khan for the front door.
This movie has meant many things to me at different points in my life...I saw it when released in the theater and recently a few weeks ago at home
God I could quote the film so much, still my favorite Star Trek film.
I really love these mini documentary's, very informative and entertaining. Can't help however being a little distracted regarding the narrated editing. I think a few brief pauses and full stops are in order. It's in no way a dig, just a friendly fan suggestion. Live long and prosper 🖖
Last year before the lock down Wrath of Khan was in the theaters locally for a few nights, I really enjoyed seeing it on the big screen again and I really thought this movie stands the test of time
J.J. Abrams AGAIN butchered that which is Star Trek when he tried to redo Wrath Of Khan.
Like the first film, he just does not seem to get it.
if we're taking 2009, maybe. But seriously, there was little "redo" about Into Darkness, aside the fact Khan was in it, but he wasn't the same character he was in Wrath. ID was more about being about blatantly bashing American Foreign Policy at the time. Admiral Marcus was the true "bad guy" of that one. Khan was just a tool (which is the main problem I have with the whole thing. He was only thrown into the movie because all the focus groups and message boards after 2009 wouldn't shut up about Khan. "will Khan be in the next movie?", "Who should play Khan?", "I hope we don't see Khan again", etc etc. When they focus entirely on keywords, all they see is "Khan", "Khan", "Khan",... and in their backwards corporate mindset, they had no choice BUT to put Khan in the movie.)
Benidict Cumberbatch was the worse, he was plain dry bread with hard butter! Dev Patel would have been great. I wish they would have use an ethnic actor.
The question is, what KIND of ethnic? Indian or Spanish playing pseudo-Indian? Cuz remember, Montalban was essentially just wearing a variation of Blackface in TOS
Montalban was a powerful actor. I miss him so much.
if it aint broke then remake screw hollyweird
Cool video, I love all the films for different reasons. I saw some of the Star Trek films at the cinema, I thought The Motion Picture was and still is excellent as I saw this when I was seven years old with my family.
Excellent!
Thanks JonnyBaak, I so enjoy your work! I BRIEFLY MET SHATNER right around '82 BY PURE CHANCE. I was selling stained glass boxes at a Santa Monica craft fair and took a walk around the exhibits. There was an artist offering custom family photo montages. One of her examples was centered around Bill Shatner and I inquired as to if she knew the actor? She replied something like: "I like to think so" and right then she said to someone behind me: "Dad, I'd like you to meet a fan- Steve". I turned around and found my hand in his. Wow! Fortunately I was able to conjure the one thing I've heard celebrities never mind hearing: " Thanks, I've always liked your work". Turns out it was his eldest daughter from Shatner's first marriage. It was strange and I couldn't help but notice how short he was even in low heeled shoes. A little later I noticed him interested in a pair of knee high moccasins. I immediately thought of TOS season 3 'Paradise Syndrome'. Although I grew up in early 70's syndication TOS, I was anything but into Trek at the time in '82. I remembered the 'disappointment' of 'Star Trek the Motion Picture', but it wasn't particularly mine. Later when I was blown away by the Harve Bennett reset 'Wrath of Khan', I had no idea what Shatner had just completed probably a year or so before my happenstance meeting that day. Much later, in the Netflix streaming era, I made it my business to watch and re-watch every bit of Trek I could find. That took time of course because of the shear volume of franchise. It was precious to me to be able to share a lot of it with my older brother who was living with me for a few years before his passing. Anyhow, thought you might like the story and I wondered if you had any celebrity Trek sightings or close encounters of your own? Thanks so much again. Your work is beautifully done and I never tire of it.
I love this series of yours, reviewing and filling in background about the films. Great job! One thing about your delivery, though: Can you do more to put in transitions and/or pauses between different topics (paragraphs) you are discussing? The way you read (or perhaps it's the way you have edited) the (high quality) script is like oneverylongparagraphwithnobreaks. The listener gets no clue concerning when you are continuing on a topic or switching to a new topic because you don't provide any brief breaks in your reading or language cues to highlight transitioning. Thank you!
Into Darkness blew goats compared to this. (And a lot of other movies).
Abrams ruins everything he puts his greedy hands on. They should jail him for destruction of property. He loves to exploit the works of others then claim it's his own ideas.
I didn't really like that one at all, either. It looked good and all, but reworking Khan? Meh.
My favorite of all the movies.. followed closely by First Contact
I keep forgetting how good First Contact was. If I'm allowed to have 'ties' I go Wrath of Khan and then a tie between First Contact and Undiscovered Country.
Was my fave movie growing up xD Thinks I've seen it too much, so I barely watch it now. Actually saw again in a proper theatre when they did a double feature of this and "For The Love of Spock" ;)
Thank You!
great vid thanks
Nice! Thanks
One of my favourite movies, especially due to Khan!
First thing I ever rented on blu-ray was Wrath of Khan. Admittedly I was looking for Star Wars but it wasn't out yet on BD, and then I saw WoK on the shelf and was like "HELL yeah!" When I was a kid, I didn't see any movies in theater between like ET and Beetlejuice (about six years), but my middle school in a small town rented a copy of WoK and the whole school got to watch it for our year-end party.
Your description of the visual effects are somewhat incorrect. You state that many of the visual effects were done by ILM, and this division later became Pixar. This is incorrect. ILM are still very much around today, and only the computer graphics department separated off and became Pixar.
i love your videos
Thanks for this "featurette". :-)
My recollection at the time was that they were going to kill Spock 2/3rds of the way through the film (much like what they did to the Enterprise in _Star Trek III: The Search for Spock_ ). However, a secretary spilled the beans about this, and so they had to rework the script so that Spock's death happens at the end. I think it was Nicholas Meyer who said that they were upset with the secretary for doing that, but at the same time were happy because they ended up with a better film.
Star Trek the motion picture was originally in the works as a new star Trek series but with the success of Star Wars they quickly cobbled together what they already had and turned it into the motion picture.
I wasn't aware the script had so many problems taking form. But I'm glad so much creative input was accepted. Wrath is much more apt than Vengeance, especially given Khan's last breath that he spit at the ship.
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!!
Best Star Trek movie ever and best musical score ever!!
Agree on the musical score being great. I don't have a "best ever" but can't go against anyone who says what you said; By the way, don't sleep on the opening/intro of Star Trek III with regards to score.
Also worth mentioning is the Khan novel by Greg Cox 'To Reign in Hell' which offers a much more interesting and plausible explanation for how Khan and Chekov know each other: as Chekov is assigned to beam Khan and his followers down to Ceti Alpha 5. Thus being the last Enterprise crew member that Khan sees before exile. The book also cleans up a lot of the movies plot holes nicely. Highly recommended ;)
The classic "Give me Genesis!" Line spoken by Christopher Lloyd in Search for spock was originally spoken by khan in the novelization of wrath of Khan. Khan says it (in the book) when he goes on space station regula 1 and cuts the scientist throat as referred to by Tyrell in the film
Thank you
Remember cuing up for it in Texas, same week I attended the Star Trek ultimate fantasy convention, the movie was huge, Breaking all box office records, out grossing Conan and Firefox, a major event. A second coming
This movie is my favorite movie of all time. The movie score was just brilliant. The story is exciting and typical Kirk pulling victory from the Jaws of defeat. It was a great visual for Sci fi for the time. In fact, I appreciate the lack of overwhelming cgi compared to modern films.
I watched _Krull_ for the second time this past month and found that Horner scored that, using some themes that sounded like Wrath of Khan!
I agree, it is the best of the Star Trek movies. I learned a lot from this.
i remember going to watch the film in 1982 aged 13 and to this day i still say it is the best star trek movie of all time
Alternative plot for a movie/series (Khan's Omega Star Empire): one of the factions of the Temporal war would have utilized a cloaked Romulan ship to beam aboard Khan before the explosion in the Mutara nebula. Nursed him up and sent him to a far safe location in the Sagittarius arm of the galaxy (between Alpha quadrant and Gamma quadrant). It will be the Omega Group of the 28th century that believes in augmentation technology. Creating a separate AI force, Omega forces, within the Omega quadrant (alternative liquid subspace) within the galaxy. Omega group (order of Omega) also being assisted by the enemy of Gary 7's civilization located in another galaxy. The Xindi regroup allied with Dominion forces remnant in the Gamma quadrant. Suliban faction assist them rebuild in the Gamma quadrant. An older, revived, healthier and informed Khan Noonan Singh installed as leader of the remnant forces (Romulan forces finding a new planter after their star went supernova and Klingon faction that believes in augmentation technology). Some Delta quadrant worlds join Khan's Omega Star Empire. Some join the federation because of captain Janeway's previous adventure. The previous creating a new Star Trek series called: Khan's Omega Star Empire.
The Amiga System? Was it a 500 or 1200? Hope it was a 500 as that was my first Amiga System...
Star Trek and Amiga ... that's nerdy² :D
The content creator is pronouncing "Omega" as "Amiga". His audio editing is pretty choppy, too. Interesting info, though.
It is omega. Wait... just like the omega device on “Galaxy Quest?”
@ MikeyKnox: You mean nerdy³² ;)
Amiga 500 didn’t exist until 1987
Star Trek to the wrath of Kahn is truly the best Star Trek picture ever made. I think it’s floor space battles are concerned Star Trek six the undiscovered country and one of the best. Star Trek TMP was probably the most boring of all. But I must say that Star Trek IV, The voyage home, was by far the most fun movie in the series. It had some serious names. But overall had a really nice lighthearted feel too much in the picture.Kahn and Gen. Chang are the two best villains in the entire Star Trek pantheon.
Comanche Viper I agree.👍🏻
I never thought TMP was boring and I don't get why people did
When I saw the death scene of Spock I thought it was over - but then when the film ended on Spocks's casket - and knowing the Genesis project was on the table - I knew Spock would return.
Tom Duff, who worked on the Genesis Effect (CGI) spoke at my college (Sonoma State University) in the early 1990s, and shared two bits of trivia:
1. The effect was rendered from beginning to end, but the film director decided to edit in shots of Kirk, et al reacting to it.
2. The fractal generation of the mountains was random (IIRC), and at one section the camera flew through one. They had to add special code to "push" the mountain down, to avoid this, and re-render that segment (more slowly, due to the extra code!)
Speaking of fractals, that effect lead to the excellent and groundbreaking Atari 8-bit computer game "Rescue on Fractals", by Lucasfilm! Look it up!
Jonathan, you are so right about this film- it is the penultimate Star Trek experience. Paramount should have hired Meyer to do *every* subsequent sequel (though Nimoy's _Voyage Home_ was by far the funniest movie.)
Nicholas Meyer was an inspired choice for director of this movie. He provides one of the best commentaries on the DVD release, and it shows how much he really knew what he was doing. Its not surprising that Undiscovered Country, which he also directed, is a fan favorite movie in the series,
Best star trek movie ever!!!!
All these trivia points are from the amazon prime trivia option when you watch the movie. I watched it last night.
@JohnnyBaak - nice. I just tell myself that Jean-Luc was deeply traumatized by his Borg transformation and hence his irrational rage and desire for revenge. This comment is for First Contact - YT got the jump on me. Picard, for decades learned to Vulcanize his emotions however there were horrors that he found too challenging to repress forever.
You don't need to start off by bashing TMP, some of us enjoyed that movie.
lonster3000 I think it's a beautiful film, myself. I don't get all the hate for it.
lonster3000 Need a tissue?
here! here! thank you
Ill take it over the next generation and other spin offs this crew had the chemistry
Ugh, that movie was 🚮!!! Glad it didn't kill off the franchise.
great !
Meyer unified and rationalised Star Fleet, it was masterful. Now, it feels like much of it has been undone by JJ.
Jar Jar Abrams and STD he spawned.
I LOVE "The Undiscovered Country"
To me, Star Trek II, the Wrath of Khan is one of the greatest Star Trek films ever produced. I own only two Star Trek films on Amazon. Star Trek II, and Star Trek VI. They are the greatest films made in my opinion in that genre.