Installing my Rinnai water heater, plus a surprise!!!
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2022
- I install our water heater in this episode, plus give you a sneak peak of something big that's coming!
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Andrew, you and I would get along well. I love how you think things through and how you execute your projects.
Watching you talk about the grass blowing on your boards reminded me of a project I did back 25 years ago. My wife and I were building our first home and I did a ton of the work myself such as you have. I had a 25 x 25 concrete slab poured next to the house as my plan was to eventually build a work shop. Anyway I was painting all of the interior doors one day. I had covered the slab with plastic, and set the doors up in a V pattern with some 2x4’s across the top to hold them together I had like 18 doors set up to paint. The weather was beautiful, not a cloud in the sky and absolutely no wind.
I was spraying a high gloss oil based paint. I got started and as I finished my last door, a huge massive gust of wind came out of nowhere and blew every single door down. Mind you along the edge of my slab was the anchor bolts sticking up every 18 inches along the edge. So 4 of the doors got punctured and were basically destroyed. The rest of them all got dirt and sand blown all over them.
So I quickly had to go get about 20 gallons of mineral spirits and hand wash all of the paint off the doors that didn’t get punctured.🤦♂️ Had to repaint every single door again a different day plus buy 4 replacement doors.
Anyhow that was an expensive and aggravating experience. I need to write a book one day of my experiences I’ve had with homes and projects over the years.
Oh wow, that kind of stuff makes me cringe! All that hard work gone in seconds!
good job on the hot water heater and the tongue and grove. be bless from SAVANNAH TN.
Thank you!
The house is looking great. I am so happy for you guys.
Thank you
Hey Andrew, when you install the propane regulator outside, be sure the vent on the regulator is 36” from the window opening. If need be, the vent can be extended away from the regulator by removing the screen and threading pipe into the vent opening.
I can’t wait to see the pine ceiling installed!
The service valves also allow you to clean the buildup inside the unit--something that needs to be done regularly.
I agree, I have a pump already set up to recirculate vinegar through these units
Hi, Andrew! The pine is beautiful. Thanks for the surprise. I eagerly await the next video.
I can't wait see the ceiling done!
Happy Birthday Andrew!!
Thank you
Nice very nice!! Transition into the next episode...hmmm yeas!!
Great video Andrew Thanks. Very well explained!! 🇨🇦
Thank you for watching!
Nice looking water heater. I’ve been interested in those tankless units
They work awesome! At least in Southern climates!
Andrew Another great video the ceiling is going to look great, Thank’s
I think so too!
Hi Andrew, you had alot of projects going on in this video. The house build is moving along so fast. Can't wait to see the wood ceiling installation video. Take care.
Thank you, I'm excited to see that myself.
That pine is going to look great on the ceiling.
I think so too!
Love the tongue and grove wood! It's gonna be beautiful on the ceiling.
Yes it is, going to be one of my favorite parts of the home!
It's looking good, like how did the water heater and line's good job. The ceiling is going to look simply marvelous.
Thank you
@@TKCLYou're welcome
Today would be a good day to have a helper.
A lot of days 😬
Wow that was amazing watching you trying to spray that tongue and groove boards with all the problems you were having
Lol yes I definitely had problems.
Best of luck with the Rinnai....sincerely. I had one (propane) and frankly if I had the choice again I would have stuck with a conventional water heater tank. Tankless water heaters do not provide instant hot water, despite many believing they do. I found myself having to run faucets for 5-10 minutes until hot water was delivered. This might be different in a smaller house. Good luck!
That's unreal, our last home had one and all I had to do was run the bathroom faucet for 20 seconds while I undressed and I had hot water. You had one that was malfunctioning or set way too low on temperature.
We have had several at different houses and they were awesome! 10 seconds to blazing hot water that never runs out.
All depends on the tankless water heater you install. I am putting one in and it has a built in recirculating pump so hot water is always instantly available.
@@ShadyOaksFarm problem with a recirculating pump on a tankless and it’ll always be firing. You’ll be burning massive amounts of fuel
Phil I have the same issue. We installed an electric tankless n the back part of our house n addition to keeping our electric hot water heater n the front part of our house. They r supposed to b tied together. If one runs out, the other pics up. We constantly run out of hot water and still have to wait way too long for the on demand to kick n even though it is on the opposite side of the wall of the bathroom faucet, inches away?? I’d bet dollars to donuts water is coming from the tankless then back feeding to the tank hot water heater then to the faucet! Pipes look like the NYC Subway system n the basement! Good plumbers r hard to find around these parts and nare as dangerous to use! Have a good day!
We have the same exact water heater on our home in NC. It works great and I flush ours every two years which is very easy to do. Our remote controller is mounted on the inside of our house in the bathroom right outside the shower. Why? Because in the winter we usually set it up to 125 degrees from 120 to get a bit more heat in our showers. In the summer, we set it down to 120 or 115 degrees depending on the outside temperature and that seems to work well for us. We wanted to place one of these in our second home in Myrtle Beach but we found that adding propane or adding the needed panel box for an electric one was prohibitive so we went with a regular water heater on the replacement.
Glad to hear that it's working well!
You should have run the poly through a paint strainer if you didn’t. Believe it or not there are solids in there that can clog up a spray nozzle easily.
I gotta say. Vid was released 3 hrs ago and already got a ton of responses. Andrew you are doing an amazing job. Keep fighting the good fight
Thank you!
Awesome video. Wow the water heaters have come a long way. Brave man stacking near the windows.
Ahh it's fine, I made sure it didn't touch the glass.
@@TKCL that's good
It's interesting for me t osee different approaches to how folks complete their homes. Everything I do is about sustainability and efficiency. But on the other extreme of the scale is Matt Risenger who has went so high tech that he has to call in Engineers to service his stuff. It's taken me some time to not be critical of others design choices as I tend to see waste, high maintenance, and high cost. But where i live now, we have gone up to 6 days at a time without power, happens every year typically. So to mitigate it we have generators, propane stove, grills, Solar panels, water collection with a well etc etc.
That's why I run propane appliances, doesn't take a big generator to keep you going during an outages.
Can't wait for the fun one:)))
Coming soon!
Andrew, have you seen the channel Deer Whisperer Lynn Smith on YT? He has a huge beautiful wild deer herd that shows up in his front yard. Really something to see.
Can't say that I have!
I like the tankless hot water heater, ours is around 10 years old now, I would have to look to find the exact date. I had to buy the valves as optional.. They are mainly for descaling. I think that depends on what area your in, hard or soft water, so far we have never had to do that. I forget what part of Fl. you in, but I hope not in area that might have freezing weather. In my case we have freezing weather, so I mounted mine on the inside, in basement which worked out great. The key pad which allows you to set temp., also tells you if you need to descale. it never run out of hot water. You will find you can't get hot water with just a slow trickle, it has to be a certain amount for the heater to come on, so expect that it's normal.
Had one for 12 years at my last home about 50 minutes away, never a issue with winter.
I live in Arkansas, in fact we are getting 1" of ice (not snow) right now. I have the same unit RL75e with the lower cover case for the plumbing. The unit is good to -10°f as long as you have electricity. Since I have a whole house generator I'm not worried. We made it last Feb with 5 days below or at 0° no issues. The trickle part to get hot water at low volume is to increase your internal thermostat to 125° you will get 0.5gpm at temps enough to not be comfortable to touch . I've had my unit now for 2 years now and love it. I'm also blessed to have the one of best drinking water in the United States. Very low mineral content
To prevent the water lines from freezing I installed heat tape on the incoming and outgoing lines and insulated the bottom enclosure with closed cell styrofoam
Thanks for the information!
Most codes call for an Expansion tank to be installed at the location of the hot water heater . Glad to see the house coming along
I'd be curious as to why? I've never seen a home here with one.
@@TKCL Because water expands as its heated . If you dont give it a place to go it builds to much pressure .
@@TKCL ruclips.net/video/2OdtcTmaJhY/видео.html&ab_channel=EssentialCraftsman
I’ve only seen Expansion tanks required on Tank hot water heaters? Tankless only make hot water upon demand.
Interesting, my last two never had this nor does my parents that was professionally installed. I wonder if that's required for indoor mounted units due to potential flooding from a relief valve?
Love it
water heater fine but I don't think I would put all the other plumbing outside
Looking great !!! I need to catch up as we were at Disneyland with family:) tfs stay safe and God Bless:)
Enjoy your vacation!
I’ve seen tankless water heaters destroyed in 4-5 years if not maintained. They need an annual de-scaling to ensure they last.
That hose connection is for the flushing procedure w/ anti scale solution that gets pumped with a pump and bucket holding said solution.
I agree and know that's what it's for, that's what I meant by servicing. All my previous gas company would do is flush it with vinegar.
Scaling is what cause me to so tankless. 2 electric hot water tanks and changing element from scaling. Tankless has been maintenance free for 10 years. I did put in the valves so I could flush it, but it has never had to be done.
@@TKCL I've never known a gas Co. to do that. I was under the impression that was the home owners responsibly.
My previous company would offer that service for a small fee. I setup a 12 volt pump and started flushing myself. Just recirculate white vinegar into a bucket.
We HAVE to descale ours every 6 mo with commercial grade vinegar. We have very hard water. We r n what is called the Kidney Stone Belt! I’m trying to figure out how to and where to install your recommended filter for the whole house. Although we fought a good fight, our dishwasher is beyond repair due to scaling build up and still lost.
Plumbing and Lumber looks great. My buddy went to the gulf this morning and tried his luck on trout and redfish with that 20mph east wind… not a single bite lol
Nice warm day.... But very windy! I'm craving a gigging or spearing trip.
@@TKCL yep just need good weather, I went gigging the other night weatherbug said the wind was going to lay down for about 3 hours.. I didn’t really think it would, but I haven’t been In a couple months so we chanced it and it did exactly that and got our limit of 100 in 2 hours with myself and a beginner gigging. That live camera on RUclips at Roy’s restaurant is pretty handy too.
Got a link to that camera?
@@TKCL ruclips.net/video/VYcz8H0_x-g/видео.html
Kelly they make a filter that screws on to the gun handle and then the hose screws back on, if you don’t have one get it and it will stop 99% of your tip from clogging up. I have one on my spray rig and I got it at Sherman Williams. It’s money well spent then all you will need to do is clean out the filter when you clean your rig up and you will see then just how much Contaminants you catch in a filter.
Nice! Mine has a built in filter in the handle, but yours sounds more refined.
You can still do routine maintenance on the tankless like air-blowing the radiator fins to help keep them clear of debris that might cause overheating.
I test the pressure relief valve on our water heater every year...you might want to add that to your maintenance cycle as well.
Wait...you where here in Alabama??? Could have said Howdy to ya :)
I actually have a 12 volt pump rig I made myself to service water heaters, it recirculate vinegar to descale.
Looking forward to the install.
Just curious abut mounting the on demand water heater outside. Is there a recommended temp range for an outdoor install.
I always ran my last one at 120 and it worked perfectly. This one goes up to 140.
Andrew all your episodes are exciting….blowing grass, just a brush off.🙏
Good morning Andrew, hope u r all well. Better 2b safe then sorry to have yr water heater further away. Love yr tongue n Grove. Sorry 2hear u have 2go over some of yr tongue n grove. Say hi 2 Tiffany n Bullet. B safe n take care from Australia 🇦🇺 down under
Thank you for watching!
- it is recommended that electric tankless water heaters be provided with some form of shelter. Gas powered tankless water heaters that are placed outdoors do not require any form of protective shelter.
Wow that is going to look so awesome...... Can't wait.... You left us on a cliffhanger there at the end I thought we were going to see some bloopers and nothing 🤷🏽♂️🙎🏽♂️🙎🏽♂️🙎🏽♂️
Sorry buddy, no screw ups lately.
Andrew great job! Man you make me want to sell my home and build! OCD rules!
Yes it does!
Now that is a bunch of things can't do in Canada. But I will say it was 50f here today. But I live in a paradise zone. It's odd as everyone else like Ottawa was still cold. Considering the trucker convoy against Trudeau is getting more groups involved. As for the zone here has to do with hot air from USA pushing up the cold air away. Only had 2 snowfalls here. But they stay for a bit. 4 more weeks I think. Then I sale my 11600 sf place and pack up for a USA move. 100 acres land in eastern north ish Texas.
Note we see -40f here sometimes. And yet can be 104f in summer. So it all has to be inside and away from exterior walls.
Best of luck with your move!
Won't be long till its done. One step closer to flooring.
Flooring is a huge step, it sets the stage for completion.
If you watch Matt Risinger’s build show he stresses dozens of times annual maintenance/ descaling
I agree, that's why I made a point to say the number one cause of failure is hard water/scale build up.
@@TKCL ah gotcha. Awesome you’re aware :). You’ll get many many years of service from that Rinnai
I actually have a 12 volt pump rig I made to service it myself. Pour vinegar in a bucket and recirculate.
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Nice job on the surprise. That’s how we did ours too.
You win!
@@TKCL save my prize for the next livestream😅
Andrew just wondering how close the water heater is from your master. We just competed out new home and had not choice but put to ours at the complete opposite side of the house. It takes 2-3 minute to drain the line and get hot water to the master with that configuration. Thats with running delta 1.75 gpm faucets.
That's not right, our last home had the water heater 60-70 ft away from the master and all I had to do was run the sink faucet for 20 seconds while I got undreessed and I had hot water. In this house the bathroom is about 20 ft away from the water heater.
Looks to be behind the condensing unit, that would not be allowed in many jurisdictions due to front service clearance.
Put it exactly where the inspector told me to.
@@TKCL - That's cool if he is good with it. Per manufacture recommendations for outdoor installations, requires min. 24" service clearance in front of water heater. Technically has 24" clear in front of access panel but maybe not 24" working clearance.
It's very easy to work on
@@TKCL - Cool if he is good with it, no safety issues with that location. My background is 35+ years in commercial/industrial electrical contracting, 25 of those years have been architectural, electrical, mechanical and plumbing engineering hundreds of commercial and industrial buildings all over the Southeast. Some inspectors use common sense, some are by the book and pull a tape on everything requiring clearances.
No you know why companies invest in things like paint booths. ;)
Gotta love Mother Nature. Lol
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A cool thing to note too is since you dont have soffits, you dont have the exhaust fumes riding up the side of the home n entering the attic/possible to the living area. The gutters...you said you drilled a hole at the bottom of the 90 degree elbow at the pop up. Thatl work. Still weird to me to install all these appliances, water heaters and other expensive items outside. The sun makes stuff brittle. That be my only concern really. Concerning cpvc, I know for a tank water heater, even cpvc cant be within 18" of the hot water tank as it has to be copper. This may also be true for this style.
Copper doesn't last here for the same reason of hard water. It's really bad here!
you should have went with bosch
I think whatever work for you in you area is great. Same with that annual descaling or flushing. For me in my area, I purchased the unit and installed it myself 10 years ago, to date no one has touched it for any maintenance. Also I have the same brand name he is installing. If it should fail tomorrow, I would have to go back with what I know works. Bosch is a well known brand name, I just never owned one myself, not to say I want ever, just what I have now is what he is installing. The only thing, I wouldn't hesitate to connect the gas, then maybe have it inspected. Oh, mine is on natural gas if that makes any difference. Very efficient, I know for a fact 2 people can shower at the same time and not run out of hot water, and it might do more, but 2, I have checked before.
Andrew, I just flabergasted that so much is outside in the elements. Especially the water heater and the filters. I have seen your videos with frost on the ground. Why aren't they inside? even if a freeze come once in 25 years? So I would like to know the thought process since you have clearly studied everything that has been done. What is the advantage of having a water heater in the elements? Is it built to withstand such? No criticism, just don't understand your climate compared to mine. (Southeastern Illinois)
This is my question as well. Was there a reason you chose not to have a mechanical room or a section of the laundry room dedicated to the equipment?
Calm down 🤣🤣! Our climate is of no concern for outdoor rated water heaters and insulated pipes. The once every decade teens temperatures are few and far between. I had a outside on demand water heater at my last home 12 years with zero winter issues. My parents have one outside, actually I know several people that do and it's just not a problem here. These major companies wouldn't make outdoor appliances if they couldn't handle locations other than Florida. I personally did not want a gas heater inside that needed to cut a large hole through the wall for venting. Plus with the awesome service I got out of my last outdoor water heater, I didn't see a reason not to install another one.
@@TKCL I hope everything works out. I just always worry about the adverse year. Where I’m at it calls for 18” below the frost line, I went 48” lol overkill yea but I should never have to worry. Love the channel & I hope you never have to worry about any of this. Thanks Andrew!
Did you attach water heater to stubs?
No, just to the sheeting underneath with 4 lag bolts.
Andrew, did you use oil base or water base poly? I used water and use a 310 tip with no problems. Did not have one clog. What was your pressure set on?
I used water based. I cannot set pressure on this model, just flow rate.
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I hear you about the warm weather in Florida. But would you please build a small building around those water pipes so we northerners will stop twitching and cringing as we watch your wonderful videos??? :) I just had to repair water pipes in my downstairs laundry room after my heater died and I didn't know. The pipes on the outside wall froze, but the pipes leading upstairs didn't, so I didn't realize the sh** storm that was about to happen. I just installed low temp sensors that I didn't know existed. You could install them too so we with the frozen body parts can relax :)
Lol not a problem here unless pipes are not insulated. Dripping a few faucets inside on rare cold nights has always left my pipes flowing..... With the exception of exposed camper pex
I am surprised of all the plumbing outside, do you have any concerns of weather impacting this?
None, my last home was the same way for 12+ years. Keep in mind that this is Florida.
Enjoyed your video thanks for sharing.
Where in Alabama did you get the T&G?
If you don’t mind sharing!
Southern wood specialties in Enterprise Alabama.
you need 30 inches in front or the width of the hinged door,. Nothing to do with side to side.
Nec diagram shows side to side as well. Either way way it's where the inspector told me to put it, so I shouldn't have a problem.
Can that same unit be installed inside instead of outside??
No it can't, you would need a different model that has hookups for exterior exhaust venting.
@@TKCL cool. Thanks.
Hey Andrew, did you pick up the sheen on the wall with intervals of dullness in between? Just curious what that was.
Yes I did, was trying to figure out if it was stud locations, insulation ect.
@@TKCL if you find out, I’d love to hear about it. I’m in Central TX and built a barndo and used spray foam as well, but my building is mostly steel save for the interior framing in mudroom and mezzanine. My exterior walls are sheet metal in galvalume so I’m gonna have a look at mine closer to see if I can spot the same thing
My outbuilding does the same. I have closed cell foam and where the steel girts and perlins are you can see them on the outside on hard frost mornings when temp inside building is warmer. There is no insulation between steel girts and metal sheathing.
@@ShadyOaksFarm Makes perfect sense. Thermal bridging?
@@bonsukan that’s what I would think. Not much can be done. I have a gas radiant heater in mine. Not to concerned about heat loss. I don’t think you see that in wooden structures even though it’s the same concept.
I heard what you said about the location of the propane tank, but I would never be comfortable with its current location. Why is it necessary to have it so close to the house? An explosion would blow through that "fireproof" concrete siding exposing flammable lumber behind it.
Propane tanks are rigorously tested against failure. They also have a pressure relief valve to vent the tank in the event a fire is burning close by and causes the propane to boil.
That's exactly right, it's very uncommon for a failure, even in a fire event. With that said it's there because I find them so ugly when out in the yard. Not to mention it's a pain to mow around them.
Did that heater require a 1 inch gas line or can it be 3/4 inch?
Just checked, looks like 3/4.
@@TKCL thanks, friend.
Great job! What model is that water heater?
Rl75e! Thanks for watching
Tankless water heaters are a waste of time, mine never worked properly and just wait till it freezes outside, of course that doesn’t happen in Florida🥶
Speak for yourself, I've enjoyed them for the last 12+ years. They've been one of the best home investments I've made.
Maybe this is a stupid question but why didn't you just lay them flat on the floor?
Because the backs are still sticky and you can put hundreds of Sq ft in a small space stacked vertically. When stacked vertical only the top inch of each board is touching the next. They would possibly be damaged if layed down on top of each other.
Last random question: have you thought about putting solar up? That shop has a nice flat roof.. and there’s still a 26% federal tax credit
I've kicked it around, but honestly it will never pay me back. Electricity is cheap here and so is hookups. I expect $100 + or - monthly electricity bills.
@@TKCL I thought the same thing. Then I got panels at auction from a job that wasn’t going to get done, and did the work myself. Payoff; 4 years.
If a deal like that comes a long ill consider it.
It really is gonna look nice. I would like to make a suggestion and if it works out let me know, give Jesus a call and talk to Him about that wind situation next time.
Why is your siding paint looking like you missed the areas between the studs...... missed it if you already explained.
Look down the wall during the heater installation.....
Very cold morning, that's dew. Most likely due to insulation and stud locations.