I think the Mets are wondering whether they should sign Alonso to a 5th year. He is 30, and will be 35 by year 5. It's a no brainer that you bring him back. The Mets need his bat. Bringing Alonso back could be the difference in the Mets winning a championship within the next 5 years or not. They could win multiple titles by holding onto Pete. That's a wise investment to make.
I personally think that Pete Alonzo has earned $174 million dollars as a New York Mets. Worthy or not, they want to pay him that amount of money based on the direction they're heading in the future is another question to be answered.
Do you think that Alonso should be offered a shorter contract and like someone else said in the comments give him a 1 year prove it contract? Would this be a smarter option?
I'm sick of the BS and rumors Alonso can go fly a kit I can do with his 200 strikeouts We can easily beat The offer the Blue Jays game Santander. Offer him 4 years 100 million. Pull I trade for Correa or sign.profar. Mets need two more bats if they want to compete with the Dodgers until Alonso hit the HR Vs Milwaukee we all want him going strikes out in too many clutch spots... He has no right to be this greedy I believe he thinks he's Albert pujols in his prime.....🙄
That could be a good solution to solve some of the issues the Mets have. Would you have been happy if Alonso signed the 3 year 90mil that the Mets supposedly offered him? Or you just rather see him go?
@@EngageGrow I'd say you give him an AAV between what Matt Olson got ($22M) and Freddie Freeman ($27M). Let's ay 25 million. Give him a 5 year deal with an out after 2 years (a player option w/out any conditions). 5 years for $125 million with incentives for all five years for a million per incentive reached, including the following: Gold Glove, NLCS MVP, WS MVP, Top 3 in the NL MVP race, plus perhaps something for games played--which he excels at in order to keep him motivated to stay in shape and keep playing regularly. That should satisfy both parties and is more than fair. It's slightly better than anything he's gonna get offered out on the market now too. That should help make him whole and keep any hard feelings at bay. Secretly, it'll also give the Mets an extra year to get Pete's replacement ready to take over 1B from him should he depart. That would be Ryan Clifford, who's scheduled to play in Triple A this year (he's young and won't turn 22 till this July). Clifford has played RF and 1B so far. This would give him time to adjust fully to 1B for a year or two in case Pete decides he wants to opt out in two years. If Pete wants to stay, then that's fine too.
@@ricksandford7815 Pete is in the bottom tier of 1B defensively. And hes trending down offensively. Not a smart move to sign him. Missing out on all the other possibilities have forced the Mets to negotiate with him. A 1 year prove it deal is fair. He was offered a few options for a fair contract and he turned his back on the team and hired Boras.
@@EngageGrow How could you suggest a prove it deal? He has been the face of the Mets since 2019. He is consistently around 40 HR 100 RBI and .250 AVG while playing almost every day. You also need a big power bat behind Soto unless you want him to just walk 250 times a year. I don't get it. Yet everyone wants Guerrero, a comparable defender (both below average) with similar offense but will cost you almost 2x as much... I don't understand the thought process.
So he has had the most HR since 2019, but basically ever year has been worse than the last. 2019 was the year of the juiced baseball and to pay him for that season now is a terrible move. I like Pete but 90 mil for 3 years is more than fair and honestly an overpay to make him the highest paid first baseman in the MLB. Pete went from a 5+ WAR player in 2019 with the juiced baseballs all the way down to a 2+ War player last year. Giving a guy who is worse ever year a huge deal like that would be a really dumb move, and the talk of 6 years 174 Million is just his agent trying to make a market. If the Mets were willing to pay that they already would have....6/174 is what Pete and his agent want at this point, there is no market for him so why would the Mets bid against themselves (as they are the current top bidder) and just hand out exactly what Pete and his agent want for no reason?
He is looking for more yrs, not higher AAV. If they offered him 7 yrs, 175M, that would be a very fair deal. He is the face of the franchise and the protection Soto needs now that he doesn't have Judge hitting behind him. I'm not even a Mets fan and i feel Alonso is getting screwed. You give Soto an AAV over $50M/year for 15 yrs and won't give Alonso, the face of your franchise for the last six season 7yrs at $25M/yr. That's messed up. You will get 5 or so good yrs from him then DH him the last couple and call it a day. Then Soto can DH in 7 yrs or so.
@@DanR-m5g I see lots of points on this topic. I go back and forth on what they should do. I'm really not sure. A 7-year, $175M deal could be fair. I 100% understand your view on this. It's going to be interesting how it plays out.
I understand that he’s a fan favorite in NY. However, he is one dimensional. And how much of a favorite will he be in NY when he’s not hitting HRs? Mets fans will be skewering him when he’s not hitting HRs. He’s basically Dave Kingman. Look at Ryan Howard in his last two years in PHL. It was awful.
Fair point! If the HRs stop, he could definitely face some heat in NY. Mets fans aren’t shy when expectations aren’t met. Do you want him back? If not, who do you have in mind?
@ …. I’m a Phillies fan so I saw the wreckage of having a bad 1B on a huge long term contract. I’d sign him but the years would have to cap at 4. I value the homegrown aspect but not to the point it becomes an albatross type of contract.
@@MrOccyc I hear you on the caution with long-term deals. 3-4 years could be a sweet spot. Enough to show commitment but not so long that it turns into a financial burden if things don't pan out. Balancing homegrown talent with smart contract management is key. It's all about finding that line where loyalty to your players doesn't compromise the team's future.
@ …..totally agree. I hope there can be that common ground. BTW, I really like your channel. It’s so much better than the childish rants you hear now on WFAN or WIP.
@@MrOccyc Appreciate the love! Just trying to continue to make content that everyone can enjoy. Being able to discuss and break things down should be kept simple without all the nonsense.
do it, i dont get why everyone is devaluing pete when he just turned 29 and has been a top slugger with several good years left why be stingy now when they paid eveyrone else like nimmo, lindor, soto, etc
Pete is not being devalued, hes overvaluing himself. All those players you mentioned have a much bigger impact on the team then Pete. Pete is trending lower. Why give him a 25% raise when he literally stunk up the joint this year. And Pete was satisfied with his performance? Id let him go. He can not handle the pressure. Those 2 Playoff HRs do not offset what he did this past year. He hit too many SOLO hrs & left too many men on base. Many of his HRs were in garbage time & didnt mean anything.
90 Mil over 3 years makes him the highest paid 1st baseman in the MLB by AAV, if he has all those good years left then why not take being the highest paid guy at your position in the entire MLB for the next 3 years then cash in on all those good years you have left. The fact of the matter is Pete was the absolute worst defensive first baseman in the MLB last year (strictly by the numbers, Vlad was 2nd worst so it doesn't mean you're a bad player it just means you're costing the team outs/wins with poor defense) and his hitting wasn't that good and it has been worse basically every year. If you look at analytics which a lot of teams do now Pete not a great player in the last few season and he's trending downward every season. He also just turned 30 not just turned 29. He went from a 5 WAR player to a 4 WAR player to a 3 WAR player to last year a 2 WAR player so they offered him a big deal before he turned it down then he went out to have the worst season of his career and they are still willing to make him the highest paid 1st baseman in the MLB for the next three years. The offered him a deal better then Nimmo and he said no and turned it down because he wanted to prove he was worth more and test the market. He proved he was worth less with his worst season of his career and tested the market to find there is no market, so the Mets offering him a deal that makes him the highest paid 1st baseman in the MLB is basically charity at this point because he's a fan favorite.
@@richardzucker9985His batting average was twenty points higher in 2024 than it was in 2023. Your comment about his two playoff home runs was beyond ridiculous. He finally had a decent amount of playoff games and did a fine job. He has had plenty of walk off home runs in his career.
I think the Mets are wondering whether they should sign Alonso to a 5th year. He is 30, and will be 35 by year 5. It's a no brainer that you bring him back. The Mets need his bat. Bringing Alonso back could be the difference in the Mets winning a championship within the next 5 years or not. They could win multiple titles by holding onto Pete. That's a wise investment to make.
What do you think they should give him for a 5 year contract?
True BUT why is he stalling and "playing hardball"?
@@bobbenbrown123 For all we know maybe he wants way more money than any leaked news has reported
I personally think that Pete Alonzo has earned $174 million dollars as a New York Mets. Worthy or not, they want to pay him that amount of money based on the direction they're heading in the future is another question to be answered.
Do you think that Alonso should be offered a shorter contract and like someone else said in the comments give him a 1 year prove it contract? Would this be a smarter option?
I'm sick of the BS and rumors Alonso can go fly a kit I can do with his 200 strikeouts
We can easily beat
The offer the Blue Jays game Santander. Offer him 4 years 100 million.
Pull I trade for Correa or sign.profar. Mets need two more bats if they want to compete with the Dodgers until Alonso hit the HR
Vs Milwaukee we all want him going strikes out in too many clutch spots...
He has no right to be this greedy I believe he thinks he's Albert pujols in his prime.....🙄
That could be a good solution to solve some of the issues the Mets have. Would you have been happy if Alonso signed the 3 year 90mil that the Mets supposedly offered him? Or you just rather see him go?
HELL NO!!
haha, I take it you don't want Alonso back? Who do you want them to sign?
@@EngageGrow He's not getting 29 million per year, nor is he getting 6 years.
@@optimus2g What is your prediction? How much per year, how many years and will it be the Mets?
@@EngageGrow I'd say you give him an AAV between what Matt Olson got ($22M) and Freddie Freeman ($27M). Let's ay 25 million. Give him a 5 year deal with an out after 2 years (a player option w/out any conditions). 5 years for $125 million with incentives for all five years for a million per incentive reached, including the following: Gold Glove, NLCS MVP, WS MVP, Top 3 in the NL MVP race, plus perhaps something for games played--which he excels at in order to keep him motivated to stay in shape and keep playing regularly. That should satisfy both parties and is more than fair. It's slightly better than anything he's gonna get offered out on the market now too. That should help make him whole and keep any hard feelings at bay. Secretly, it'll also give the Mets an extra year to get Pete's replacement ready to take over 1B from him should he depart. That would be Ryan Clifford, who's scheduled to play in Triple A this year (he's young and won't turn 22 till this July). Clifford has played RF and 1B so far. This would give him time to adjust fully to 1B for a year or two in case Pete decides he wants to opt out in two years. If Pete wants to stay, then that's fine too.
I love Pete but I don’t think a long term commitment is smart for a suspect glove
Pete's glove is better than average. He Been getting better defensively every year. His D is no longer suspect
@@ricksandford7815 Pete is in the bottom tier of 1B defensively. And hes trending down offensively. Not a smart move to sign him. Missing out on all the other possibilities have forced the Mets to negotiate with him. A 1 year prove it deal is fair. He was offered a few options for a fair contract and he turned his back on the team and hired Boras.
what would you say is the perfect contract for Alonso and the Mets?
@@richardzucker9985 I like the 1 year prove it deal you talked about. How much would you give him for 1 year?
@@EngageGrow How could you suggest a prove it deal? He has been the face of the Mets since 2019. He is consistently around 40 HR 100 RBI and .250 AVG while playing almost every day. You also need a big power bat behind Soto unless you want him to just walk 250 times a year. I don't get it. Yet everyone wants Guerrero, a comparable defender (both below average) with similar offense but will cost you almost 2x as much... I don't understand the thought process.
He’s not a fan favorite, so I’m the only Mets fan that thinks he’s not worth a long term deal
He is absolutely a fan favorite
Why do you think he is not a fan favorite?
I tend to agree that he is a fan favorite. Do you think a deal is close? Where does he end up?
So he has had the most HR since 2019, but basically ever year has been worse than the last. 2019 was the year of the juiced baseball and to pay him for that season now is a terrible move. I like Pete but 90 mil for 3 years is more than fair and honestly an overpay to make him the highest paid first baseman in the MLB. Pete went from a 5+ WAR player in 2019 with the juiced baseballs all the way down to a 2+ War player last year. Giving a guy who is worse ever year a huge deal like that would be a really dumb move, and the talk of 6 years 174 Million is just his agent trying to make a market. If the Mets were willing to pay that they already would have....6/174 is what Pete and his agent want at this point, there is no market for him so why would the Mets bid against themselves (as they are the current top bidder) and just hand out exactly what Pete and his agent want for no reason?
You make some solid points. The drop in WAR each year is concerning, especially when you factor in the juiced ball season in 2019.
He is looking for more yrs, not higher AAV. If they offered him 7 yrs, 175M, that would be a very fair deal. He is the face of the franchise and the protection Soto needs now that he doesn't have Judge hitting behind him. I'm not even a Mets fan and i feel Alonso is getting screwed. You give Soto an AAV over $50M/year for 15 yrs and won't give Alonso, the face of your franchise for the last six season 7yrs at $25M/yr. That's messed up. You will get 5 or so good yrs from him then DH him the last couple and call it a day. Then Soto can DH in 7 yrs or so.
@@DanR-m5g I see lots of points on this topic. I go back and forth on what they should do. I'm really not sure. A 7-year, $175M deal could be fair. I 100% understand your view on this. It's going to be interesting how it plays out.
he never hit with runners in scoring position
Yes, he is probably considered below avg when it comes to this stat. Who should replace him if that is what you're thinking?
I understand that he’s a fan favorite in NY. However, he is one dimensional. And how much of a favorite will he be in NY when he’s not hitting HRs? Mets fans will be skewering him when he’s not hitting HRs. He’s basically Dave Kingman. Look at Ryan Howard in his last two years in PHL. It was awful.
Fair point! If the HRs stop, he could definitely face some heat in NY. Mets fans aren’t shy when expectations aren’t met. Do you want him back? If not, who do you have in mind?
@ …. I’m a Phillies fan so I saw the wreckage of having a bad 1B on a huge long term contract. I’d sign him but the years would have to cap at 4. I value the homegrown aspect but not to the point it becomes an albatross type of contract.
@@MrOccyc I hear you on the caution with long-term deals. 3-4 years could be a sweet spot. Enough to show commitment but not so long that it turns into a financial burden if things don't pan out. Balancing homegrown talent with smart contract management is key. It's all about finding that line where loyalty to your players doesn't compromise the team's future.
@ …..totally agree. I hope there can be that common ground. BTW, I really like your channel. It’s so much better than the childish rants you hear now on WFAN or WIP.
@@MrOccyc Appreciate the love! Just trying to continue to make content that everyone can enjoy. Being able to discuss and break things down should be kept simple without all the nonsense.
do it, i dont get why everyone is devaluing pete when he just turned 29 and has been a top slugger with several good years left why be stingy now when they paid eveyrone else like nimmo, lindor, soto, etc
Pete is not being devalued, hes overvaluing himself. All those players you mentioned have a much bigger impact on the team then Pete. Pete is trending lower. Why give him a 25% raise when he literally stunk up the joint this year. And Pete was satisfied with his performance? Id let him go. He can not handle the pressure. Those 2 Playoff HRs do not offset what he did this past year. He hit too many SOLO hrs & left too many men on base. Many of his HRs were in garbage time & didnt mean anything.
90 Mil over 3 years makes him the highest paid 1st baseman in the MLB by AAV, if he has all those good years left then why not take being the highest paid guy at your position in the entire MLB for the next 3 years then cash in on all those good years you have left. The fact of the matter is Pete was the absolute worst defensive first baseman in the MLB last year (strictly by the numbers, Vlad was 2nd worst so it doesn't mean you're a bad player it just means you're costing the team outs/wins with poor defense) and his hitting wasn't that good and it has been worse basically every year. If you look at analytics which a lot of teams do now Pete not a great player in the last few season and he's trending downward every season. He also just turned 30 not just turned 29.
He went from a 5 WAR player to a 4 WAR player to a 3 WAR player to last year a 2 WAR player so they offered him a big deal before he turned it down then he went out to have the worst season of his career and they are still willing to make him the highest paid 1st baseman in the MLB for the next three years. The offered him a deal better then Nimmo and he said no and turned it down because he wanted to prove he was worth more and test the market. He proved he was worth less with his worst season of his career and tested the market to find there is no market, so the Mets offering him a deal that makes him the highest paid 1st baseman in the MLB is basically charity at this point because he's a fan favorite.
@@richardzucker9985His batting average was twenty points higher in 2024 than it was in 2023. Your comment about his two playoff home runs was beyond ridiculous. He finally had a decent amount of playoff games and did a fine job. He has had plenty of walk off home runs in his career.
@@richardzucker9985 Those HR's in the playoffs are helping his case right now.
@@garykass114 what would you say the ideal contract would be?
He's not a varsity athlete!
What do you think? Do you believe the rumors circulating about a Mets deal in the range of 6 years $174 million?
i think this would happen if it wasn't for that one word that is floating around....Leverage
That's a big word right there!! Do you want Alonso back or should the Mets go elsewhere?