Worst Diesel Engine Ever - What is the Best Diesel Truck out There? | Ford Dodge Chevy
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Ford introduced the Powerstroke engine. It was the same International block as the previous 7.3L engine with massive changes to the cylinder heads and fuel system. It now had a HEUI fuel injection system which is a Caterpillar fuel system that they bolted into an International engine. The HEUI (Hydraulically driven Electronic controlled Unit Injector) means the injector is driven by hydraulic pressure that is created from the engine oil and controlled by a computer. This was a very complex system for its day but when maintained properly was extremely durable as well. There are few issues with the injectors but they do start to get weak internally and around 200000 miles usually need to be replaced. The rest of the engine had some fuel and oil leaks and the complex valve cover gaskets could burn out and cause a dead cylinder or more. However, the mechanical side of the engine is extremely reliable. It is not unheard of to have an engine with over 500000 miles on it with no issues as long as it was properly maintained. In 1999 Ford changed the truck body to the newer body style and with the change, they upgraded the 7.3L with a larger turbo, different valve cover gaskets, and an intercooler to cool the air after the turbo going into the engine. The trucks were very solid. The brakes are exceptional, the transmission is very strong, the cab and chassis are good, and they have good suspension. The weak spot of the truck was the ball joints, engine oil leaks, and valve cover gaskets.
GM tried upgrading the 6.5 to keep up with Ford and Dodge. They added a turbo to it and added an electronic controlled mechanical fuel injection pump. The system was plagued with issues. The injection pump control module as well as the control wires were buried under the intake manifold where lots of heat baked the wires and the module. This was a source of repeated failures and many peoples anguish with no starts and stalling. As far as the injection pump went, they had several internal issues as well. If you pulled a trailer and pushed the engine hard it would crack the cylinder heads. If this was caught early enough it could be fixed without complete engine replacement but it usually hurt the engine before the driver even knew anything was wrong. Overall this was a poor diesel engine. They were loud at idle, smoked a lot, had low power while pulling, and if pushed hard like a diesel, they would get hot. The rest of the truck was ok but the engine kind of ruined the whole package.
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I agree I've been a mechanic all my life I own a F-150 a 2500 Dodge and a 2500 Chevrolet and a 1500 GMC and I believe that Ford does build a better heavier truck but when it comes down to the engines in the 225 hundreds that I have hands down the Cummins is the better engine the trucks is no comparison the Ford truck is twice the truck the Dodge is but engine to engine dependability is hands-down Cummins wins
I have been a GMC owner since 1996, and I am thinking of switching my likeness of truck. After changing out a oil pressure switch on a Vortec 4.8L, I said no more. Would you say Dodge or Ford?
if only you could get an allison transmission with the Dodge. because the automatic transmission in a Dodge is no good , if you are going to be doing any towing. however if you can get by with a manual transmission with the Dodge Cummins you will be ok. to bad you can't choose your drivetrain , cross breed between the major three manufacturers CHEVY , FORD , DODGE. THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. the trucks would last to long..
@@bartmcgee4669 Yeah, last too long, way too long.
Bart McGee perfect truck is ford,Cummins,Allison and Dana 80. 😆
Bradford Ramm we will just have to agree to disagree. PERFECT truck is chevy Cummins Allison Dana 80. I like Ford's ok , but they don't ride as comfortable as a chevy does loaded, unloaded or towing..
I agree that the best vehicle combination would be the Cummins engine, an Allison transmission and a Ford body.
That combination is perfect for a project in the future.
He said exactly what I was thinking; Ford chassis, Cummins motor, Allison transmission.
Exactly!!
and the good looks of the Dodge
A lot of people build them on RUclips look it up it cost about $10,000 to do that swap but the damn thing will last a million miles
with Chevy all you would need is the Cummins engine. of course I'm partial to Chevy . but not crazy about the looks of new Chevy truck .
Cummins is oil injected and can run in any position with high power to weight ratio like a Rotax?
I have a 7.3 2001 Ford Excursion... 404,000 so far... keeps trucking
Got a 2001 Chevy 6.6 Duramax in a Silverado Dually... BEST pulling truck I've ever owned 412,000 on it.
Mike Wallace I was driving a 20017.3 for work. I loved it
Chevys better I'd sell that excursion buy another chev
@@thenotoriousko6872, Let the man own whatever he wants.
got gas
as a dealer i bought and sold over 100 7.3. almost kept a few. but the 14-17 mpg and low power was pathetic compared to a cummins.
On the older Ford or International 7.3 was an awesome engine as well as the 5.9 Cummins. Both where so easy to work on. The downfall is when they had to change the diesels to new gov regs and having to run DEF later on...
These guys take longer to get to the point than my wife!
Everyone liked that
A bit long winded ,my ears really hurt and my brain says SHUT THE HELL UP . I just turn tail and start walking.
Time stamp of the point in question?
😂😂💦💦
That was good 👍
Tier 4 emissions have ruined all of them...
I’ve got a 2000 Ford Excursion with the 7.3...freakin love that engine, aside from basic wear and tear, I’ve never had a single issue with it at all
Do you still have the excursion?
Honestly I’d go with the old International 7.3 in terms of of reliability and power with a diesel. The newer generations of diesels have massive transmission setups and computers. That old engine was a work horse as long as it was taken care of.
Same
Got a 2001 F250 4x4 with 97K and 7.3 engine. Have towed a 25 and now 27 ft fifth wheel camper with it across country a few times and she is a beast, it barely breaks a sweat. Just a plain Jane and by that I mean no fancy electronics...has a radio, CD player, air and cruise. Love my truck. I liked this video because there was some very good information, thanks. My mechanic (husband) can no longer do anything because of health issues but this truck was his pride and joy.
I had a big chuckle when he described his perfect truck.
The drivers with my company (we use 1 tons to tow equipment trailers to job sites) all describe their perfect truck the same way🤣
I had a 1988 Ford F-350 rollback carrier with the Navistar 7.3 diesel (pre-Powerstroke/non-turbo). I ran it for 10 years and clocked over 500,000 miles in CA, NV and AZ. I worked the hell out of it. I often would tow two vehicles (one on the deck and another behind on the towbar), 4WD diesel Suburbans and single-cab dually pickups (the bed wasn't long enough to fit a crew-cab), smaller forklifts, and industrial equipment. The worst problem with the engine itself was the injection pump going bad - and only one time at that, one clutch replacement, and a radiator. But man did it go through rear brakes.
About 8 years after I sold it, I saw it on the street. Not sure what work may have been done to it, (it looked pretty rough, and they left part of my graphics/lettering on it) but it was still going. One of the best vehicles I've ever owned.
And as Bundy said, the key was maintenance. lt may still be going strong somewhere (well, maybe not too strong).
I've got one of those "perfect" trucks. Sitting in my driveway. It is the best of all world's, but it still has its problems. Until our government allows any manufacturer to produce a vehicle that doesn't have its life choked out of it from the production line we'll continually have issues with them. There is no perfect anything.
My 2014 Cummins is great. No issues with the emissions systems. RAM has replaced the SCR on their dime for a recall and I never had a problem with anything. Everything is stock on my truck.
If you spend the money building that truck why not put a little bit into the motor to get the power you needed?
eddie price how do you go about getting one of those PERFECT trucks ? who does them. about what is the additional cost
I concur! Still driving my '04 6.0 and I love it. 180k on it and it still runs great. Its easy to work on and I know it like the back of my hand.
john smith 180k is a joke friend I have 2 5.9 Cummins with over 400k one 6.7 Cummins with 200k
From a mechanics point of view, Ford diesels may not be as good or great as say Cummings, but as a former owner of several Ford diesel trucks, I thought they were amazing. Technologically speaking, diesel technology is ever changing. The markets dictate what the consumer wants or requires. I hauled horses. 34 foot gooseneck basic set up across country. My F350 did an incredible job. Never ever had any issues. In fact, the more weight I put on her, the better she pulled and the more efficient that diesel worked. Though not every F250/ F350 owner shares that opinion, I still believe Ford does an incredible job.
I owned a brand new Ram 3500. At 476 miles, the check engine light came on in what would be 12 times in less then a few weeks. I was angry. Had horses to haul. Loosing money and customers on a daily basis. Problem? A fuel rail management issue caused a code that triggered the engine warning light. Though it never flashed, I simply couldn't take the chance. Okay, under the Lemon law, I traded up for a more expensive Ram 3500 diesel. It too had issues. Went to Ford, traded that in for a Baby dually. Suicide doored extended cab. White with lots of chrome and a look that not even Dodge could compete with. The thing is, that Ford diesel was leaps and bounds better vs the Cummings diesel. Of course, again, not all truck owners will have the same experiences. It depends on many things.
Overall, Ford builds, manufactures and creates a better product line. In my opinion of course........🇺🇸
Almost 900,000 on my dodge cummins and still going with very few problems....P M is the key to any engines longevity
Great to see someone who is completely honest about the their experience with the engines..
That said; Cummins just is a more simple design capable of tremendous power output
a true workhorse
More so torque than power, at least in stock format. The v8 diesels (duramax and powerstroke) have higher output 40-50 hp, but same torque. Very solid engine though. Like a semi engine, the hp doesn't matter as much as the torque.
Very smart mechanic, I am a retired fleet maintenance supervisor for a large ambulance and medical transportation service in Tn. all ambulance packages we owned were Ford E-350 7.3 power stroke engines and they performed excellent , we had our own service department and they were serviced regularly, the engine problems we had after about 300,000 miles were injector and oil cooler O-rings and a few injectors and drivers, turbos. High pressure pumps after about 400,000 miles, just great diesel engines, we had multiple issues with the differential Chinese carrier bearings and of course the E4OD transmissions.
Love my 2000 F-250 7.3 Power Stroke! I got 394,000 miles on it :) I've installed all Banks hardware in 03, Inter-cooler, big strait thru exhaust and a TS power chip. I plan on taking my truck to my grave! Never let the exhaust temps rise. Like the Man says 'Keep up on the Maintenance' and it she will last!
I really enjoyed the video! I always love hearing what old school guys that have seen everything and worked on everything have to say about what they prefer. All that knowledge equals good advice
In the early 80's, I put a 4-53 two stroke Detroit in 1 '72 Ford F-250. I used an auxiliary transmission that was direct and 30% over; it went between the bell housing and the 4 speed. That truck was an animal. 20 mpg, tremendous power and simple. Wish I still had it.
My 7.3 has 428k. The injectors are way past their prime, but it still runs great.
I have a 7.3 with 463 k
Alberta Canada 1986 f-250 4x4 4-spd 6.9 385k ♡
327k
@@hotgenlee - now you just bragging!
@@jamesburton6059 - yeah, but that is likely in KM!
I would hire that guy as a mechanic based on his mustache
Definitely an 'stash of knowledge right there.
That is an industrial grade stache.
Seems like your a good judge of character 😂
7.3 and 5.9 Cummins. Cough 6.4. My neighbor has a 97 7.3 crew cab 4door. And I daily drive a 95 7.3 w an extended cab exdended bed. I love the truck.
We have a f650 with a Cummins engine and Allison trans, the best of all worlds
Actually the f650 750 850 are produced by blue diamond a joint venture between Ford and international
Yes I have one just like that.
This is such an awesome video. Thank you for making this. I love listening to mechanics talk shop. Dealerships try to make truck videos but I dont trust them. Keep making more like this.
Conclusion from comments, everyone has their own tastes in trucks.
My 97Fordf250 Heavy-duty 4×4 with the international 7.3 turbo is the best in my opinion....ive owned it since it was brand new off the lot...it has 128,000 miles on it today.....I LOVE IT..!!! i wouldnt trade ya it for two new deisels today.....
7.3 navistar 500,00 miles on her and still rollin. 90miles an hr up a hill and 90miles an hour down a hill loaded to the hilt. Had them all and that FORD was and still is a beast! Best ever. There are lemons in all brands so stick with what is proven and most importantly take care of it.
i love my 03 f250 6.0. Got bulletproofed at 93k and now 12 years later Im at 332,000. Never a issue , tows like a beast and is the perfect truck for living up here in Alaska....
I’m a Mopar guy myself nothing beats and in-line six there’s a reason why most semi’s on the road uses them. it’s because they work. but as much is I hate to say it every truck made with with a DFF System is trash pretty don’t make it pull or last. i’ve owned them all they all have their issues. and every time one of them broke down my old 95 Dodge was always ready to rock. that’s when I decided to get rid of all the newer problem children and started buying and refurbishing pe-emissions dodges and 7.3 fords problem solved. I can rebuild three trucks to show room condition for what it cost for a new 3500 diesel truck. it’s not for everybody especially if you want luxury. But if you want reliability and simplicity and life without DPF it’s the way to go.
John Nicodemus I’m sorry I should’ve worded it as close to 90% of semi trucks on the road run in line sixes. can’t forget about the 2 stroke Detroit guys either. but yeah CAT quit making engines for “on road”trucks due to stricter emissions-almost 10 years ago...
Cat did not stop making engines,they stopped supplying them to other oems. What do you think they put in their own cat brand trucks?
I know the 6.0 Powerstroke has a notorious reputation, but as the man says, maybe they just weren't maintained right. My 2007 F250 Harley Davidson edition has 372000 miles on it. And the clock is ticking because it is my daily driver. I've had to replace a set of injectors at 263000 miles, a new water pump, Serpentine and radiator at 315,000 miles, and last year my EGR finally failed at 355000 miles which I just deleted. I don't meticulously maintain the truck, but it does get maintained. I don't drive it like a 16 year old however I don't drive it like a 70 year-old either. It is no stranger to a 15K trailer. Maybe I just got a good one, but I have owned the 6.7 Cummins ( DPF issues every time I turned around) and the 7.3 powerstroke. And hands down, my 2007 F250 has been the most reliable diesel I've ever owned.
Agreed the Ford makes the finest chassis, but the straight 6 diesel is so proven, every farm implement and most construction equipment have straight 6. I agree 100% with this guy. Allison, cummins, and Ford body. I've always thought Chevy had the most comfortable ride, but this guy knows his stuff. Cleared issues up for me. Looking for a Ford 7.3 stick.
When your exhaust needs fluid you have a problem.
Fixed that went from 17 mpg to 26 Hwy
Especially when shops over charge the hell out of it, I rather buy diesel from a shop than DEF. Over $10 a gallon, $15 to $20 for 2.5 gallon jugs, at the pump at truck stops $2.85 or so a gallon. Price at the trucking company I work for at their fuel island $1.03, which i think is bulk rate.
Next is blinker fluid???
@@scottsmith6571 Cool. Now hundreds of people parked in traffic can breathe toxic particulates/pollution.
Especially on a farm tractor or a work truck def is pure poison and that is safer than co2 what a lie they are perpetuating on the public it is a way to rob working people of their hard earned money
I am surprised that Californistan allows diesels in any vehicle. We who live in a more free state just delete all that so called pollution crap.
Yea and pollute like a coal power plant. Happy breathing.
100% agree ford truck,Alison transmission,Cummins engine but a 5.9 common rail
I think we can all agree Cummins in a beast, Ford style is hot and Chevrolet’s transmissions are the best. I agree with the guy.
Nope I have a Detroit that has took out 5 Cummings and 12 ford 7.3. my ole school has the iron too back it up
If there's one thing that I've seen in my life time of 49 years, is that anything that ever existed long enough as a brand has had it share of gems and share of junk, no matter what it is. Whether it's Ford, Dodge, Chevrolet or ect... Reading these comments makes me think and laugh about how immature people are about things that no one can control when it comes to these engineering designs. These auto corporations are always going to be the first ones to come up with the latest and greatest engineering designs and in that process no matter which company it is, it will have to go through a period of time before that design is figured out and mastered. Going back to the 90's, the 5.9 Cummins and the 7.3 Navistar was at it's heights in the terms of reliability and longevity. Since the early to mid 2000's, diesel designs have taken it's time since the changes with the emission laws... Keep in mind, anything that is going to be great, will take time...
Well said
Once I upgraded my 6.0 a couple of years ago I have had no issues at all. I pulled a 35ft travel trailer from Texas to middle Florida and passed all new trucks on the road and a few tried but couldn't maintain pace
Whether it be a duramax,powerstroke,or Cummins it's all in how you take care of your engine.they'll last you for along time.
I had a 6.0l Ford and it constantly was broke down. Bought it used drove 800 miles had to replace rearend gears. 6 days later the EGR manifold went out in Springfield, MO. Then 4 days later the oil tube for fuel injectors cracked in Chicago, IL. Had it towed to my house 250 miles away, and sold it. The truck was loaded it was a F450, 60 inch sleeper, 8 foot aluminum bed, 170 gallon fuel tank, 26,000 lb fifth wheel, and a reese class 5 hitch. Was a beautiful truck just had a junk engine.
My 2003 F350 Lariat blew the 6.0 replaced it with a Detroit 2 stroke
/Allison combo......it’s a beast!!!
Voodoo Pyro your joking right
I'm no expert by any means but I did have a Duramax Chevy 2007 and I recall it was a 6.6L Diesel. Got the truck brand new off the lot and used it to tow an enclosed 14ft trailer with moderate load. The Allison transmission went out after a few months (under warranty, thankfully) and the engine's oil would magically disappear before oil change was due. Not to mention horrible mileage.
This dude doing the interview obviously has never drove a 6.0
I've been a professional mechanic for almost 50 years. If Ford ever comes up with a front suspension that you can depend on it could be a decent truck. Of course you would have to put a different engine and transmission in it. That death wobble common to the Ford is a never ending and expensive repair that I am surprised hasn't killed more people because of the loss of control of the truck.
I work for a Ford Dealership for awhile now. Are you possibly thinking of Dodge? I have never seen Ford ever have Death wobbles. Mostly Dodges tbh. Not even Chevys have that problem. It's even called the Dodge Death Wobble to the car community because they are so common with them.
@@stumorton7318 I’ve seen plenty fords with death wobble I’m genuinely surprised you’ve never seen one but I’ve seen death wobble on dodge ford and Chevy nothing is perfect
All you have to do is replace the worn out parts, unlike a dodge where they actually sell a kit to strengthen the steering box.
Thanks for the boost for the old 7.3 ! I have a 96 f350 crew cab duality, doesn’t like to start in cold weather but I’ve used it every year to go to Florida. Does a good job and get 15 mile per imperial gal hauling a 5th wheel.
I appreciate the honest opinon.
Damn I wish I can grow a moustache like that!! I'm Japanese so I can't!! Lol
Good interview. I want to point out that the 6.7L Power Stroke has been out since 2011. If the issues are not well known yet by a top diesel mechanic then that would tell me that there are not that many problems with it. Unlike say the 6.0L issues which were very well known within a couple of years.
I have fixed EGR's, turbos, all kinds of odd coolant leaks, all kinds of weird sensor failures, watched one get the oil changed and then it wouldn't start again. Personally I wouldn't buy one at all, If I need a diesel I will buy a Duramax at this point.
D MAX BABY!
Those International 7.3's were definitely by far the most superior diesel. Those damn things never died. They were kind of sluggish on the acceleration but they had a lot of torque and they lasted almost a lifetime if you took good care of them. Its a bummer Ford doesnt use them anymore.
Too bad Ford killed the best diesel engine they had going for them. Just like they did with the 5.4L gas engine. They got all the problems ironed out of the 5.4L gas engine and then decide to move onto something else. Idiots! You think after designing engines for the last 100 years they would get their $hit together!
@@bundysgarageI dunno man, but I always say "stick with what works"
The 7.3 was no doubt the best diesel ford used. But how is it by far the most superior diesel ? It is NOT superior to a 5.9 12 valve cummins. Let me guess, you own one so it is the best?
@@supersixjones8905 actually, I will not dissagree with you at all. That 12 valve Cummins was right up there next to the 7.3, I just didnt mention it, but they were another bulletproof diesel that were superior as well. But yes I've been around the 7.3's alot.
The international was a great motor but it never outperformed or outlasted a 5.9L Cummins
My 2011 Duramax has nearly 400,000 miles on it with the original trans and injectors. It has been liberated of the emissions controls, I service it regularly, and I don't drive too crazy with it. Hoping it lasts me another 400,000!
I've got a 1997 F350 crew cab 7.3 that I bought off the showroom floor. Now has 320,000 miles and is about to go in for body work and a complete paint job.
If I get another 20 years out of it i'll be 84 and won't worry too much about it after that.
PS. a OEM bedside is stupidly expensive
I had a 03 F250 with a 7.3. Loved it!
I still have mine finally bought some rims for it
California emissions ruins diesel trucks . DEF systems constantly keep our trucks in the repair shop up here where it gets cold.
Agree with the 7.3 weaknesses. I have a 1999 with 300k miles on it, I got it with 68k on it. The only issues I've run into is ball joints. I've gone through 4 or 5 sets of ball joints and it's a 2wd that I drive like an old man. Other than front suspension issues, I've never replaced anything other than an alternator and (obviously) some batteries and brake pads over the years. The mistake people constantly make is putting a tuner on a 7.3 Once you do that, you WILL have issues eventually.
How can you have a normal conversation with a guy while a squirrel is resting on his face?
I have an 05 6 litre 250 with 111000 miles with no problems.I have done all the factory service on it.Proper coolant and recommended coolant flushes are the key on a 6 litre.They are a badass motor if well maintained,my motor is stock.I will say,I don't try to pull backhoes at 70 mph down the road everyday with it.
Best light diesel engine 7.3 international and 6bt (5.9) cummins
location florida FACTS
Subjective statement
SaltyBro ?
True facts bub
7.3 and 12v cummins should never be compared. night and day difference in power mpg reliability and ease of repair cummins come out on top smoking the 7.3 in all. not to mention value.
My last F350 had a 7.3. I wish I still had it.
This guy is a superstar diesel tech and he calls it a Cummings? You’re kidding me, right
say it all day long and you will start to say "Cummings"
My thoughts exactly! As soon as he said cumminGs, he lost all credability.
I do too.
Ok then take your truck to an English scholar if that makes you feel better. I will take mine to this guy .
@@randycupp5925
Same here, a seasoned mechanic and he says Cummings, not touching anything I own.
1996 F250 and a 99 F350 Powerstroke with manual transmissions on both, had a cam sensor take a dump driving it home from the dealer, other than that, dragged 6-8000 lbs up the grade daily, never had an issue
I have 99 Chevy 2500 4x4 with the 6.0 (360 gas). and a 2004 Chevy 3500 4x4 with the 8.1(496 gas) both are proven reliable work horses.
Almost all the Ford 6.9 and 7.3 trucks wore out steering boxes before they wore out engines.
yes. mine is starting to go at 250,000/ engine fine except for leaks
@@jmyers9853 They'll scare the crap out of you when they get the shimmy shakes. Don't put it off and ruin an otherwise great truck.
Ford F650 and FreightLiner were sold with Cummins diesel engines and Allison transmissions
Worst trucks ever made also
The engines or the trucks?
I've been a diesel mechanic for 25 years, and I agree the ultimate truck would be a Ford chassis with a Cummins motor, and a Allison transmission!
Nah perfect truck is the either 7.3 or 6.7 powerstroke on any Ford truck with 4R100 tranny
Great video I have a 2014 Dodge Ram 3500 rolling 400 thousand miles it’s got a 6 speed manual transmission had to replace it at 300 and 17 thousand miles
Jeezz I thought 150K miles on my dad's 2014 Powerjoke was a lot. Those Cummins engines are some of the best out there, right up there with a Cat 3406 or a 7.3 Powerstroke. I want my dad to buy a Ram for his next truck but he just loves the Fords. Don't get me wrong, those new Fords are nice, they just need a Cummins or Detroit under the hood instead of the POS Powerstroke. Stop strokin and start cummin!
Not going to trash any engine or vehicle, just state I am completely satisfied with my purchased-new 2002 F250SD 7.3 E4OD 4X4. 18 years and 285K later, it is still my daily driver. And the power seats still work just fine, as does everything else.
The worst diesel engine ever wasn't really a diesel. In the early 90's, we had a chevy cube van with a "lets pretend it's a diesel." They took a gas engine and figured they could mess with it enough to make it run on diesel fuel. We never got more than 100K out of it. Went through 3 of them. I then had an International with a 466. Great engine and trouble free.
They never made a converted diesel. All the diesels from the Early 80s until the late 90s we’re all built by Detroit diesel. 6.2 and 6.5 liters.They actually had a 350 cubic inch diesel back in the 70s and 4.3 v6 diesel that people say it was a converted gas engine but it wasn’t. It was just a dud. It had nothing in common with any gas engine they ever made. The 6.2’s and 6.5 is definitely worth the weakest engines at least the 6.2 was but definitely not the worst. They have pretty minor problems compared to some of this new stuff and they were engineered for fuel mileage not torque. Put a bunch of miles on an old 6.2 Detroit in a 1 ton Chevy pick up not fast miles but it had 216k on it when it left And it was still rattling along getting 21 mpg with a decent load. 90% of the military Humvees use 6.2’s and some have the 6.5’s A couple of minor upgrades in those motors run a long time. There still using them and boats.
No that was in 1978 when they came out with the 350 Diesel. It was a converted 350 gas engine
@@poppiarlin5612 That must be the one I'm referring to. My memory is suspect at my age. LOL. It was a converted 350. Emphasis on the CON.
Your diesel was either the 6.2 or 6.5 and they were made by Detroit Diesel, not GM. they weren't converted gas to diesel engines. They were just really lame diesels designed more for fuel economy than towing or power. The 6.2 was naturally aspirated and the 6.5 was turbocharged. They ran really high compression ratios and very low turbo boost vs other turbo diesels running a lower compression ratio and higher turbo boost. So they built them backasswards in a sense.
That diesel in the late 70s was called the LF9 and the 4.3 had a similar number they were still true diesels they were discontinued because of poor fuel quality low power and declining gas prices. I don’t know the exact reason but any amount of moisture in the fuel ruined the fuel system and then caused severe engine damage and they had really poor water separators and fuel filters. it is pretty crazy I just learned something they didn’t convert a gas to a diesel they used the old diesel blocks and converted them to Gas because they were so much stronger than the gas block. I’ve been pestering an old guy that works for GM his whole life as a mechanic asking him these questions lol. By the time they figured out why the engines were breaking gas prices and came back down and people were already pissed at them so the dealers swapped them out for gas engines. He said that the engine is down south didn’t give much trouble but the engines up in the colder climates because of the fuel you couldn’t keep them running. It makes me want to go find one and play with it.
DT466 excellent motor lots of life they go half million miles with good regular maintenance very dependable and reliable, not alot of ponies but plenty of torque to get the job done.
I own two 6.0 powerjokes, one is bulletproofed and is my plow truck. Tons of power and reliable. The other is my stock, never tuned, never beat, 2007 with 260k on it. 6.0 is way too go
And also just go with a gasser. Save money and run it to 200k+. Wish I bought gas but I have an ego problem ha
PROJECT in MOTION why would you say “just buy a gasser”? Sure if you don’t tow
Had divorces that were cheaper than 250k cost me on my 6.0......
Now that’s funny!!!!!!!
I have a 99 Ford F250 (Dinosaur), on the verge of hitting 300k. My daily driver. This truck was never a pampered toy. The ride is still smooth, still feels solid. Runs like a champ. Only major repairs, the air conditioner at 240k and rebuilt transmission at 266k.
96 ford f250 7.3 engine crew cab 4wd 289k miles. Ive replaced alternator twice, steering box once, tires, brakes, oil, fuel and oil filters and thats it. Original water pump, injectors, turbo, starter, pwr steer pump. At times pull 30ft gooseneck 6500lbs with 18600lb Cat D4 aboard. Hauled D4 from washington state to alabama. 14 mpg on flat ground at 65,,10 mpg in mnts of colorado. Hauled D4 from quebec, one from virginia, two trips to ny to get D4s, one from kansas to alabama never a prolm. Change oil and filters every 6k miles.
Had great luck with my 6.0.
I think the 6.0 is one of the best motors as long as you sort out the EGR and oil cooler.
Among the worst diesel V8s for trucks ever was the Oldsmobile 5.7L (LF9), which was available for the Chevrolet and GMC 1/2-ton pickups from 1978 to 1981.
I had a new one , 3 injector pumps and 2 starters in 24 month. Sold it what junk.
Gasoline conversion to diesel, that was the problem
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Right, at least in the developmental stage; but the production versions used more rigid parts to handle the diesel's operating characteristics. 1981 was the first year the LF9 had an improved block and other parts (the DX series) but people lost interest in them due to the bad press the 1978-80 engines received.
I was thinking the same thing as jabootie. The 7.3 is the best. I have a 2000 and love it
Damn, that was a solid handshake at the end
I have a 1996 F350 dually flatbed, it has not been babied but the paint is original, no rust other than surface rust and the cab bushings are still good. The 7.3 was a good engine as well. I have to say for a work truck I've been happy.
Man, Ford almost did it in Argentina where I live: Cummins 4BT, Ford Chasis (of course) and ZF transmission
4bt is my #1 fave. im a dealer and have owned drove and sold all diesels. 4bt set up right is the king of all diesels
@@noname-fz5fg it has no power though!
Diesel motors are not meant to be a v shape. Piston are heavy, which leads to cylinder wear. Had a Ford power stroke. Now have a 5.9 with 350k on it. Solid Truck.
Ever heard of a 3408 cat,3512 cat,Cummins 555,Detroit 8v92 just to name a few?
I have a 2002, 7.3 in a propane bobtail and my truck is an 2006 Duramax .... I feel really blessed!!
I've got and old. 1964 GMC bus conversion with the 2 stroke Detroit diesel and it's got over a million miles on it on still runs strong. Uses a hell of a lot of oil but man it runs
I'm a ford guy always been always will be. I drive a f250 6.7 I LOVE the powerstroke, towing is a ease with it. But I always wanted a 12v cummins but I don't like the trucks they're in.
Put a 12V into a F-350
I drive a international dt444e with a spicer dump for work, it’s a dog, but works everyday and I’ve been loading the hell out of it for 7-8 years
Now I know which diesel to get to pull an RV. Order European?? Not Ford, not GM or even Dodge. Ugh! Maybe a battery operated Prius 3500?
Since when did Sam Elliot become a diesel mechanic? 😂
Thats a good one!
@@bundysgarage great video though! Couldn't of left though without sayimg it lmao
Kody Kill Guts ,Glory ,Sam
LOL.
It's Sam's younger brother you dope!!!
The F450 tow truck I drive has the 6.4 in it Jesus that thing's a fucking Powerhouse, love it
I have a 03 f250 6.0l that was a commercial tire truck. 250k miles, engine is great but I did have to replace the transmission (manual). Super reliable truck and best gas milage for its size.
Where did you get the transmission from? OE, Aftermarket, Rebuild?
Lol I've been dreaming of that truck for a long time. F250 4x4 with a Cummins engine and a allison transmission!
Somebody should start a business that builds it I would buy it.
I have a stock 6.0 that I’ve put 150k miles on with no issues. I work pipeline and tow a RV all over the country. Best truck I’ve ever owned. But different strokes for different folks
Ron, is your's an 05? My dad had an 03 6.0 that worked fine for the first year, but it kept dying the whole way down to our ranch. He traded it in for an 05 after a year and a half, and that truck has had zero problems. I like the look of the 03 Powerstroke better, but 05 and newer are more reliable.
Kale Walker It’s an 06 f350 king ranch. I bought it from a local doctor in town who barely used it. I’ve been doing regular synthetic oil changes (with stiction eliminator) and running a good ELC coolant in it and everything’s been great so far.
Ron Burgundy I've got 220000 on an egr delete and coolant filter 6.0. Pull camper all the time. No issues. 3000 Mile oil changes.
Charlie Green That’s awesome man! I’ve been thinking about doing an egr delete. Did you notice any sort of power or mpg difference?
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Great video for people interested in advice from someone that doesn't know how to pronounce Cummins.
As a shop owner for 35 years and a mechanic for 43 years I've seen quite a bit. And living in Arizona where pickup's are as common as cars (more common in many areas) I do know a little .on the subject. To anyone interested the Cummins 5.9 was originally a stationary and boat power plant before a pickup engine. The Ford engines from 1983-2010 are International's. The Ford 6.6l straight 6 was not an International, but used in trucks mainly in the F650/700 series as well as stationary. GM owns a portion of Isuzu (same as Ford & Mazda)(Dodge & Mitsubishi) so it's not really outsourced. Allison is a division of Detroit diesel which is again a product of GM. My shop experience has shown the 5.9 Cummins and the 7.3 Ford as the overall favorites. The Duramax has been -again for us- the one with the least breakdowns, but is a pain in the ass to work on- though the Ford 6.7 has topped that. As far as longevity - the 7.3 is tops at our shop. We have 2 over 600,000 with no engine work, 1 with just over 780,000 that got head gaskets only at 752,000. And 1 truck that's been driven hard and put away wet waaay too many times with 930,000. Not the original engine or trans. on that one. For me- I drive 2 Ford 6.0's and a Bronco 7.3 di, automatic. Many 6.0's are misdiagnosed. We've seen 2 with bad head gaskets and 40+ with cracked heads, but too many that really needed EGR coolers or oil coolers. Studs? I wouldn't go racing without them(on all my drag race engines) but we have never had a repeat failure on a 6.0 and have done studs on maybe 5. And I have stacked a flip chip on top of my Edge Juice without a problem (never for more than a few minutes and watching EGT's like a hawk). So you don't like one or the other ? I've heard of people who don't like Ice Cream either !
Nice write up. Wish we were on the same town we could do an interview.
I own a 05 Chevy 3500 dually duramax. Best pulling truck i have ever owned. Only had to change injectors at 300,000. Regular service and she keeps on trucking.
The GM crossover Diesel engine back in the 70's were by far the worst Diesel engine ever built
What’s interesting about the transmissions and what really shocked me is that I have talk to two unrelated transmission shop owners and they both told me that they rebuild more Allisons than the Fords and Dodges is combined.
theres a reason most of the UCC trucks, regardless of engine theyre running, are usually running upgraded dodge engines.
Good reasonable shop owner right there.
It’s nice to see that there’s still guys who know diesel .. I’ll never sell my 2001 cummins with a 5speed lol
I have a Ford 6.9 IDI with an automatic.
Bought this truck new , now it's got 300,000 miles on it.
The only major work was heads were replaced at 105,700 and trans rebuild at 200,000.
I run it with propane boost .
Everything else is falling apart but the engine still runs strong.
7.3 is the best Ford motor made back in the old days...
Made by International, bud, but yes, excellent engine.
Cummins all day. 6.7L.
I really hate videos like this, and especially the comment section. People really tend to show their ass, and embarrass themselves on this topic (even if they don't realize it).
USMC Vet kind of like you did now huh Marine? Tread lightly comrade, don’t fall into socialism schemes of negativity. There is no point. Our Professionalism doesn’t stop with Veteran Status. Word?
Pick up truck video comment sections are gold lol.
I like the comment section because I like to hear what experience people have with diesels. However, it saddens me that people can hardly talk about their experience without at least one troll telling them they're no good or they're a joke. Honestly I think the trolls are the real jokes.
Love how they left the 7.3 powerstroke out of the conversation 😂
and the 12 valve cummins.
Those are ancient, from the land before time. Old legends that are rarely seen or used anymore. But yes, both far better than the new offerings.
Best ihmoter besides 7.6 dt466
The only thing this man knows better than a 6.0 is how to grow a fantastic mustache! Man im jealous!!!