Nelson Mandela is today revered as an apostle of forgiveness and reconciliation, but the earlier part of his life does not always accord with this image.
I stood up in school and called him a terrorist murderer. The teachers went nuts. I was supposed to apologise to the class but told them no. They gave. Up in the end and wouldn't speak to me. I can live with that
@@pertuk The Black culture have made this fantasy up about them being the originators of culture and civilization but became oppressed, I can't imagine how this could have happened
It’s very brave of History debunked to look into these subjects that everyone is to scared to, especially in these times when the pc brigade has gone mad, and people are offended if you’re not offended.
Simon all ways covets his arse with pure fact indisputable truth ,I wish he was my history teacher in school maybe I would have enjoyed my lessons ms cdf
@Mr Best Policy I don't think you read my comment carefully. I compared them AFTER they got power, not before and Mandela had a reconciliation process. He also created a reconciliation day for each year. Of course people kill people in a war. Have you never lived in a country that was involved in a war? Violence begets violence too. Warmongers in other countries were rewarded when they were involved in negotiating the subsequent peace, such as Henry Kissinger USA who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
when I was in school during the 90s, practically all children were taught that Mandela was a symbol of world peace and reconciliation, and it appeared most adults believed it too. He was jailed for some very serious weapons offences including explosives and was offered a reduced sentence if he order his followers to discontinue violence. His wife was also a murderer.
@@Brecconable So you think that Churchill is somehow better or more revered than Mandela. Again, i am quite shocked by your shallow mind. Ask Africans/Black Americans,People of Colour whom they revere more. Then pose the same question to little racists like yourself. I am sure you will get totally diffrent answers
blm rip down a statue of a hero in bristol and the police stand by and do sod all but if someone toure down a statue of nelson mendela thay would go to jale
Surprisingly shes not been nominated for sainthood yet either. Seems like St Nelson can do no wrong in a certain groups eyes. Personally I'm still waiting for his statue to go for a Thames bath....
As the Soviet Union came to nothing, so did S. Africa. After the ANC took over it descended in to chaos , corruption and general anarchy. What had been known as the " Paris of the South", is now a jungle where even fresh water, electricity and sanitary sewers have crumbled back to pre-colonial levels.
@@GrumpX Maybe you were weak from Ramadan that day in class, but whites did rule S. Africa for a couple centuries and turned it into a prosperous land. It is now sliding inexorably back to what it was for millennia. Jesus was a Semite which in scientific terms is white. James Baldwin the renowned black writer said that blacks were anti Semitic because they believed Semites to be white.
@@oldschool1993 Prosperous for whom? Jesus wasn't white. He was brown. Maybe if the christian Boers of S Africa accepted that back then they might still be governing S Africa in a fairer system for all (granted not one country has a 100% all fair system). Granted that there are some crazy blacks who believe that they were the people of Moses but anti-semitic is a broad term. By your definition the zionists of israel are anti-semites for their treatment of the Palestinians.
I was raised to believe he was a hero in spite of his terrorism conviction and his boast that he was manipulating the communist supporters of his actions somehow.
@@cupidstunt8136. Me too. We even sung songs about him in school to wish his speedy freedom. (1980’s) only in my 30’s when the truth gradually began to emerge. I didn’t believe it at first.
@@rollovaughan just about all children and most adults in Australia genuinly believed he was jailed for breaching freedom of speech. I was in my 20s when someone reminded me he was jailed for terrorism with explosives as a matter of fact
A lot of us thought that we were communists then. Then we grew up. I hope that this generation of "Trained Marxists" do too. Rather than just being reactive, I think that the thing to do is to study the evolution of revolutions. It's tragic to see how these bold attempts at creating a better world are destroyed by the worst aspects of Human Nature.
Well, there's a well-known saying which points out that the only difference between a "terrorist" and a "freedom-fighter" is whether you agree with their cause or not. With Mandela, the world has decided that his cause was good and therefore any acts of evil that he committed while fighting that cause were in fact good and heroic, so we can have a nice, clear-cut, simplistic "good" or "evil" narrative about history. That's why you don't hear much about things like, for example, Mahatma Gandhi's charming habit of getting into beds naked with children in order to "test himself." It seems unlikely that he had a 100% pass-rate on those tests, and we can only wonder what happened when he "failed." But history has decided he was a good guy, therefore anything which conflicts with or complicates the narrative will be airbrushed out of the picture. Makes you wonder how "good" or "evil" all of the heroes and villains of history _truly_ were.
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Well done. I regularly have to re-education my mixed race children about the truth of this man. Socialism in all it's guises must be one of the hate-filled ideology to afflict mankind. You made a valid point-under apartheid, one could say the white SA government brought much of the problems upon themselves. However, now the ANC have been in power for decades, their record of looking after black South Africans (excepting ANC officials and their families) is woefully inadequate, some might say, worse than the white government.
Read the wiki page for Liberia. There’s enough truth there to make your eyes bulge! Communists used South Africa as an experiment from the beginning of the 20th century. Direct quote from David Ivon Jones (one of the founders of the International Socialist league of SA) to Leon Trotsky in 1921... “The economic crises that you mention in your questionnaire do not exist in South Africa as an independent phenomenon of its capitalist economy because there is neither the capital nor the slaves to subordinate it... These native workers are a perfect material for the socialist revolution. But they are all illiterate and for this reason they are out of reach of the communist propaganda. Their mental awakening demands educational institutions of either capitalism or communism - whoever will be first”. 1927-28 the Comintern came up with a goal for the communist effort in SA. The country was to become a ‘negro republic independent from GB with autonomy for the national white minorities’. The SACP would struggle to interpret this concept for the next decade. Theoretical gerrymandering of concepts ensured that the SACP remained confused and relatively ineffectual until after ww2. Testimony of David Ivon Jones in 1930s who referred to himself as a ‘white colonist’ and suggested that “for some of us, the only tie with SA is the communist movement itself’.
What worries me is how the left in this country could see nothing wrong with Mandela and they heaped praise on him.Even more concerning was how many people,particularly council office workers,put photos of him on their desks. I recall one woman ,when talking to a senior manager about Mandela, taking a handkerchief out to wipe away her tears ! He offered his support,and agreed with her about what a wonderful person Mandela is,and what an inspiration he was I was stunned,especially as the woman,had never mentioned politics in all the time I had known her.It still frightens me how people can be so easily brainwashed. Reminiscent of Germany in the 1930's. I still can't believe how
Of course the left reveres him... after all, for them, the end justifies the means! Have you ever known a leftist shed one tear for the hundreds of millions that died in their fruitless attempts to usher in their "Utopia"? Edit: swapped "excuses" for "justifies"...
You are doing Gods work sir! I have tried to educate people about the REAL history of Africa and it wears me down. The facts are the fact pretty or not. The history of Angola, Sudan, Zimbabwe ( formerly Rhodesia), South Africa and many others have all been “spit polished” for modern consumers. They would have us all believe that these places were a garden of eden and the white man has messed it all up. Arrrrrgh!!! Keep up the great work sir!
Hey Simon when are you going to stop talking out of your anus and start talking out of your mouth?. Considering the tyranny imposed on black South Africans by white INVADERS, is it any surprise that some black Africans formed groups to commit violence against their tyrants?. Considering all the injustices inflicted by WHITE South Africans against black South Africans for over 100 years, violence against the white tyrants was PERFECTLY JUSTIFIED. Imagine the following hypothetical scenario, while you and your family are sleeping, a bunch of thugs break into your home and hold you and your family hostage, during which the thugs brutalise at least one member of your family, now wouldn’t you want to retaliate in defense of your loved one?, or would you retaliating make you a terrorist?. Nelson Mendela was never a terrorist, he was merely a REVENGE-SEEKER. The BIGGEST terrorist organisation ever in human history has been the British Empire, these Poo-Guzzling-Pigs INVADED foreign countries in the name of greed and power, by violence including MASS-MURDER of natives, and LOOTING. This British terrorist organisation (The Empire) was also engaged in the narcotics trade at a international scale, they used narcotics and alcohol to subdue natives and rob them. Therefore not only was the British Empire a International organised crime syndicate, the British Empire was also a TERRORIST organisation who pioneered racism, international crime, and terrorism.
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Me too, I've recommended the channel to my daughters and the topics invariably form part of our conversation when the family go for a walk in the park.
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Us Portuguese appreciate your videos - unfortunately Google removes most my comments - if you can (research is impossible today) try to do a video about MLK's sealed FBI tapes - the FBI has tapes of him talking to a pimp ordering w women - No joke !
@Fela George Wow !!! You really are all for censorship, like all the videos of what happened to Rhodesia after the fall into Zimbabwe - all removed by Google after the purchase of RUclips - control the narrative with censorship - really this is the world you want ?
I lived in South Africa in the 80s and 90s . The only thing I would applaud him for is the fact that when released he could have started a civil war then and there but didn't. Other than that he was a terrorist in my eyes as I remember the wimpy bars being blown up. One in Pretoria was about 300m from where I lived and my family would often eat there. Just lucky we weren't there that Friday night otherwise i wouldn't be typing this.
He gave the order to fire into the crowd at shell house. The lack of civil war came because no one wanted it, rather than Mandela. In 5he months leading up to the election 15thousand people died in tribal fighting. The army kept it together.
I was thrown out of a house party in 1985 for saying Mandela was a terrorist. And what was hilarious...the 3 black people there agreed with me, they were from SA and they started the duscussion.
Sounds as if you had similar conversation to mine. Everybody makes fun of trump , he's not very nice but he's on the bullseye with FAKE NEWS. the more you dig into things ,you'll wish you hadn't because a lot you've been told has been a lie.
I am a retired master mariner, i used to have a black first officer he fought against mugabe in the bush wars, a nicer man you would not meet. During the 80s when we were in durban we would go hunting in the natal with no problems at all made welcome etc. However after the power shift in the early 90s things definitely changed if you went ashore you made damn sure you dropped a 1911 in your pocket. Duke(first officer) did the same because if you were black and seen to be friendly with whites it was dangerous (soweto necklace et all). When we both retired to uk old duke used to lament what happened in Rhodesia and south africa. The changes were definitely not for the better.
Paul Gonzalez how do you know it’s the trust? How much of what he speaks of is the truth. Are is it that he feeds into what you think he knows. He’s not saying anything that not already known. What he is speaking of is nothing now , to human existence . Most so called heroes have the same story , he mentioned Jesus , if there was really ever one , his story may have the same narrative, hero worshiping.
@Rodney Andersen He was great. You wouldn't have fought, in his situation? You would have just meekly submitted to brutal racist treatement, and called those who would fight thugs and terrorists? I cannot comprehend the level of cowardice and submissiveness in this mentality. Pathetic beyond words. He is right to say that Mandela is portrayed falsely. He was no saint. Saints don't win great battles. He was a man, he knew when to fight and when to make peace. That's the true legacy of Nelson Mandela.
Thanks Simon, well explained. This is so true, and how gullible were the British back in the 80s when everyone thought Mandela was a saint and pressed for a boycott against SA. I worked there in the 80s for a few years, just narrowly managed to miss the bomb blast in the bar in Durban in 86, saw the horrible results of it. I came back to UK and found it hard to get work because of 'association' with SA. Some of the people I know who stayed there are now dead from being stabbed by black men. What a mess that country is, what a shame too as it is indeed beautiful.
In general sir, you are very well informed. These days (especially in South Africa), true history became very unknown and badly twisted due to these communists changing the education system, systematically destroying the Afrikaner values and language, etc etc.
@@westleymanc just as much a oxymoron as that there are plenty of excessive fools out there not realising the state they are in. Normally such fools talk when those who actually knows keeps quiet.
@@westleymanc the Boers are deeply religious and their communities are close-knit. Even though they aren’t Catholics, I still respect them. They are being oppressed by the corrupt regime of ANC and they are being erased by history… This is so sad.
Thank you Simon. I'm a South African and when I was growing up during the appartheid era, speaking of this matter I.e. Mandela and Co. Was taboo. Many things were wrong with the system but it must be remembered that the then government created a stable, economically thriving country, albeit against all odds.
PM Margaret Thatcher was the only one with enough guts to stand up and state what would have been the best solution for South Africa namely “A White Only State”! You only need look at the dreadful state the country is in now.
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@Trouble Came Calling I was falling asleep and it wasn't phrased a bad as I feared. A Mr. Yuk 🤢 & a stormy cloud ⛈ sticker are now part of your social credit score.
@@paulgomes4300 if you can get me back to France from where my ancestors fled from Catholic persecution, I would willingly return. Let me know how that goes will you? Anything is better than this failed state and the savagery of the people who came down from the North. thanks.
Gandhi is a hero of the whites. Had it not been for Gandhi, the brits would have lost India altogether. Perhaps world history would have changed if Gandhi, like Subhash Chandra Bose, had supported Japan against England during the so-called Second World War. Gandhi sided with the brits in the war. Whites do not just respect Gandhi.
@@darshananiroshan7760 I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Gandhi stuff comes from the Left, specifically from China ..... Attacking the figures and institutions of cultural identity is a classic Marxist tactic ( BLM in the UK for example) , and China and India are big rivals in Asia right now. So it wouldn't surprise me if it's another exported idea from Beijing that enters the minds of the west via leftist media and academics. Just a suspicion I have.
I don't know if it's true or not, but a man claiming to be a grandson of Gandhi in a documentary I saw said he used to smack him around along with the other grandkids when they were young. It would fit in the lefty image of him being violent himself when playing the ultimate victim and great spiritual leader of tolerance and peace. Maybe the most famous in the world after Jesus, and the Left paints Christ as some kind of monster. It's all part of the Big Lie that the Left has fooled the world with, like Hitler was right wing and the US was built on slavery and the genocide of the Indians. Just the same hypocrisy we are all brainwashed into believing the world over.
@@LadyFairfax33 Apartheid was officially adopted as Govt policy in 1948 by the incoming Nationalist Party of Francoise Malan. Don't believe everything that white supremacist Laura Southern puts out.The reality is violence by farmers against workers is far more prevalent.
Yes well his daughter was a colourful character herself. But, it's often best to hold your council about certain figureheads, because a lot of people want to believe in somebody, something. Much like any religious figure, it's best to let people believe rather than face the wrath of the incoherent mob. People are contradictory idiots, and I've come to terms with that.
All you need to believe in - is yourself and trust other people ! Too much paranoia and Godworship on this lonely planet creating paranoia and wars ! We save ourselves and help those around us. Simple huh. Protestant ideals are our health and safety laws.
Surferant666 no he meant like “ oh god ur funny” or “ Jesus Christ ur funny” he’s not saying u r God. It’s just an expression. English is probably not ur first language so I hope that helps.
The majority of people in brittain new of mandelas background and still then and now consider him a great man you seem to think the average brittish person is politically ignorant perhaps some are but our history of left wing liberal struggle ensures that you cannot grow up in brittain without being exposed to the history of organised labour including south africa ireland and around the world we brittish have a proud history of left wing thought and educational values thats why no party with racist right wing views has ever gained any support in our liberaly minded country
I love the union flags you put, it shows me your love and passion for great Britain!!! Without it I would never have known. Thank you so so so so so so so so much
There is no myth. He met violence with violence when peaceful process didn't work. History shows that europeans don't respond to peaceful dialog. They take what they want & kill without blinking. When people respond to them in the same way, they are called terrorist.
@@kenwilliams7597 British withdrew from India, gave up sovereignty over Hong Kong, freed its commonwealth possessions, relinquished Australia and New Zealand, built infrastructure and wealth through TRADE wherever they went, you've no idea what you're talking about or you're lying, you sorry, bigoted piece of shit.
@@marclacey2263 Technically you are correct. Except for the shit bit. My point is still true. It even happens today. Afghanistan for minerals. Iraq for oil. Libya for oil. African leaders assassinated when they try to protect profits for their own country. I can go on and on. Look at america right now imposing sanctions on other countries if they don't do their bidding. Yes they are europeans as well. Do your research before coming back with insults.
Friday May 20th, 1983 I was sitting in my office when a fellow worker rushed in to tell me that there was a huge bomb blast in Pretoria. By the late afternoon it was clear that there was 19 dead and 200 wounded. As it turned out later a Dutch woman smuggled a message given to her by Mandela out of jail. The message was that he sanctioned the bombing in Pretoria. A guy called Guido Van Hecken, organized the bomb and had it placed in a car in Maputo. This very same Guido Van Hecken is today working for Oxfam Solidariteit in Belgium. The car with the bomb was driven to Pretoria by a Dutch Belgium activist called Hélène Passtoors. She later said on Belgium TV that she had no regrets and that she was a soldier for Mandela. These people worshipped this man. The guys that drove the car into Pretoria, Freddie Shangwe en Ezekial Maseko was also killed as the bomb exploded 10 minutes too early. At the time I worked for the Sowetan which was a newspaper for black readers and very much anti-apartheid. After Mandela was released the killing between the different groups, Inkatha and ANC started in all earnest. At Shell House, the ANC headquarters, 20 people died on Mandela's instructions. Between 1990 and 1994 14 000 people died in this conflict which was black on black struggling for power. The history of South Africa is mostly purposely misunderstood. Apartheid which had many downsides also had good sides which no one dares talk about. 21000 people died during apartheid political unrests, 519 were killed by the police or security forces, the rest were all due to black on black violence. Today 55 people are killed on average in South Africa per day.....a woman gets raped every thirty seconds, aids is rife and tuberculosis is worse than ever, unemployment and poverty all of which are far worse than during apartheid. In 1974 petty apartheid was abolished and things looked up. A white guy appeared in Johannesburg court because he insulted a black guy, things were changing but it was not good enough, simply because the goal of the ANC was to take power and run a communist state......that dream has gone haywire and the cadres only enriched themselves and bankrupted the country.
I am always interested in these types of Vids.One of My Cousins, Sidney Percival Bunting Founded the South African Communist party ,the SACP which did become the ANC over time. His son Brian was an MP in South Africa up to the 2000's. Sidney was a Cambridge educated white man,the grandson of the Rev Dr Jabez Bunting of the methodist Church,and immersed in what would be called socialist thinking today.(the family tree is full of politically active people) He read law at Cambridge and went to South Africa to practice law,His first legal partner was Ghandi. Sidneys wife,Becky, was also a Lithuanian born jew,and also a communist. When she was born ,Vilnius was part of Russia. Communist countries never lst long, and it's just taken South Africa a little longer to dissolve into chaos as the white farmers are driven off the land and the Congolese plunder what ever they can .
I remember seeing an interview with Mandela saying the communists used us and we used them. Essentially when the support and money ran out he didnt want to be a communist anymore. I enjoy your videos as they are objective.
There’s a lot to be said for wisdom that comes with old age, mandela was then at his peak of wisdom, you are a wealth of experience and clear far reaching viewpoints. Society however especially in Scotland seems to be revering young people all the time, like they know best…
@@Jaded-Wanderer What has that got to do with the contention that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist? The East India Company has never been labelled as a cross between Gandhi and Father Christmas.
@@Jaded-Wanderer Are you asking who is most responsible for his own choice, of violence against innocents? I would assue you should know better! Perhaps you should sign up for the ANC! And don’t forget your flowers with thoes bombs. It helps fool ordinary people and further your cause! Violence is no excuse for violence and certainy not in broad and sweeping ways - you are apparently comfortable with. Maybe the IRA would suit you better, unless you are the right shade of non white!
I still remember a small article in the Chicago Tribune some years ago. The article described the South African government searching for the AK-47 that he buried before his arrest. So much for the narrative that he was only a political leader.
I remember a while back coming across a bit of video in which Mandela and a couple of chums were singing a catchy little number about killing the hated white people.. I never felt quite the same way about him after that!
Black people make up the majority in South Africa. Although the Dutch were a predominantly colonial white minority, they held political, cultural and economic power. That is because of the dominance of colonialism. The Dutch activated a vicious cycle of racism in South Africa. Blacks stood up against it. Nelson Mandela was a prominent leader in that struggle. The Dutch imprisoned him. But the struggle was not over. It appeared that the whites could no longer suppress the black struggle. However, despite Mandela's imprisonment, the Dutch realized that as the struggle of the black people progressed, they would be massacred, eventually losing political and economic power, and leaving South Africa with nothing. The Dutch wanted to prevent it. Mandela was the perfect man to use for that. We know that Mandela was released from prison, that he implemented a so-called policy of reconciliation, and that the Dutch had enough godliness to forgive. We know that because the whites have told us so. Meanwhile, a so-called Truth and Reconciliation Commission was appointed under the leadership of Pastor Desmond Tutu. What is important to us here is that Mandela and Tutu were religiously Christian and culturally close to whites. The problem between white and black leaders was primarily in the political and economic spheres. It is clear that the release of white Mandela from prison was in accordance with an agreement. Mandela is an ordinary black man. He did not inherit much property by birth. But at the time of his death he was said to have owned millions of pounds of gold in cash alone. Later, his relatives seek the help of Roman Dutch law, which is in force in South Africa, to share his property. But those who manipulate the Western media do not give it much publicity.
As had been suggested, Gandhi would be an obvious topic but whilst we’re shining a light on “untouchable” public heroes, where do you stand on Mother Theresa......the Hitchens side, the religious side or somewhere between? Top work Sir, keep it up!
It hardly matters where a self-confessed non-user of saints(his words)stands on mother Teresa .Simon is a gifted and knowledgeable communicator ,but without faith in God or his church must be accounted an unreliable guide in spiritual or even moral matters.it would be ironic to confer sanctity -status on one who disbelieves it.
Very sporting of you not to mention "necklacing". Many saints didn't actually do this type of thing to people so you can see how its mention might tarnish the halo a bit.
A well thought out and honest discussion, I am glad there are historians like yourself who do not mutilate history to suit agenda and political correctness.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO your attacking someone for their political views and not their historical accuracy. (Yes I read your other comments). You haven't destroyed anyone, all you are doing is waffling in youtube comments. You think your winning while actually... no one cares as someone (like Simon) has actually got off their arse and done some research and then made a video on a subject that gets people like you riled up and make idiotic comments because it doesn't conform with your world view and cry that "it's waaaysist! “. Keep "winning" champ /sarcasm.
I can't find the details now, but I remember a south african pastor told of how he went to see president mandela to ask him not to sign the law allowing abortion on demand. The pastor was struck by how very kind and interested mandela was in his concerns, so after the interview he went home thinking mandela had listened to the points put forward and was taking them into consideration. But the next day the SA equivalent of the IRS descended on the church and started searching for financial irregularities that they could pin on the pastor. They occupied the church, searching the paperwork and intimidating the members, doing their best to close the church down and destroy the pastor, and they didn't leave for: 7 YEARS. (They never found any irregularities). So whatever you think about abortion, that's quite a vicious streak demonstrated right there under the grandfatherly smile.
S A Blacks were treated as sub human , Mandela had every right to take up arms against those oppressors, that makes him a hero. Later in life he found forgiveness and reconciliation in hes heart,that makes him a saint. We all sin but with Mandela, Jesus was well pleased.
As backstage manager Wembley, I spent 40 mins chatting with Nelson. A good man, he said " I invite you. I need men like you to help rebuild my country". I went off on tour with Rolling Stones. I did not think politics was my cup of tea. Nelson was a good, kind, thoughtful man, I have the greatest respect for him.
He was no communist either, he only aligned with the communist because they were the only ones willing to help. The reason western conservatives are conflicted about him is because they missed the opportunity to help South Africa during apartheid. He averted a civil war, authored one of the greatest constitutions in the world and only ruled for 4 years. Spent most of his post prison days promoting peace and unity sincerely. What kind of communist does that?
0:10 "I was present during a school assembly at about Christmas time in december 1913..." I have to say Simon, you look great for a 107 year old! All kidding aside ;), I greatly appreciate your historical insight in your videos! Keep up the great work you do!
Thank you for this information. My positive view of Mandela comes from his attitude towards the west and white population at large after he took over leadership of new South Africa. I strongly believe a person is best known when he has power and we know many had faltered and still is doing so while on that hot seat.
Slovo was born in Obeliai, Lithuania, to a Jewish family that emigrated to the Union of South Africa when he was eight. His father worked as a truck driver in Johannesburg. Although his family were religious, he became an atheist who retained respect for "the positive aspects of Jewish culture".[3]
This reminds me of the parable of the prodigal son. That Mandela handled the transition of power in RSA peacefully is a thing to be welcomed even if he was a different character in his youth. Forgiveness is something we could do with a bit more of in these times of cancelling.
Nelson became a hero- because he prevailed. AoNZ campaigned heavily on the rugby field to support democracy in South Africa. We might question whether it was worth it. History, like politics, is the art of the possible... ...and democracy is dictatorship by the majority.
@History Debunked Your channel has quickly become my very favourite; keep up the brilliant job you are doing of providing authentic education to the public! Just a gentle reminder:I reckon you meant to say the date was 2013-not 1913-when you were recounting the story of that hare-brained headmaster.
I'm South African, sometimes , it's better to say nothing at all 💣️ He liked the bars 🎶️ 🎵️ The bars that go boom ! 100% right ! We're BIS ( Demagogue ) and the Ewes ( mankind ) and we like the boom 🎶️ ! MAN is GOD !
Wasn’t it the sanctions imposed by Western governments that finally overthrew the White South African government and replaced it with the ANC? Why would the Western governments do this?
White South Africans didn't want to play along with the "rulers of the world" so they used their MSM puppets and false propaganda to turn the world against us. The result, a failed state under their control, mission accomplished...
nelson Mandela was a symbolic mythical figure representing hope and freedom for many who suffered oppression and poverty. he was imprisoned for 27 years. he stood for something. black and white South Africans admired him and were inspired by him. i am a white South African and a British citizen, I wept when he died, he was and is our inspiration, he walked his talk, very few political leaders do that. he brought positive change to SA. his successors in the ANC and in SA government unfortunately have let black and white South Africans down. history can be told through multiple lenses. no man is a saint, but some people do work for good.
Saint Nelson's ANC now has South Africa on the verge of being a failed state.
Remember the BRICS?
Over the cliff now
Rhodesia 2.0
Just read into the cannibals pot. South africas violence issue is a non issue as far as the legacy media is concerned.
Closer than you'd think. 5 million tax base. 7.8 millions on social services, rest a base to be exploited for their vote.
I stood up in school and called him a terrorist murderer.
The teachers went nuts.
I was supposed to apologise to the class but told them no. They gave. Up in the end and wouldn't speak to me. I can live with that
Good for you!
Well done, I was the person who ask history debunked ( simon) for this video
Good. You should be justifiably proud.
my friend be a teacher and take theyre places. unite all ur kind against the system teach one to teach another in chain
You are the better person standing up for your beliefs
Setting off bombs in restaurants was the higher profile acts but mostly planting limpet mines on roads to blowup families .
They were nicknamed Wimpy bombs as it was mostly the Wimpy restaurants targeted.
A lot of Mandela’s flaws have been airbrushed out to suit the modern narrative
Chang Noi you got me with a typo 👍🏻
NO!! HE WAS A FLAWLESS SAINT!!
@@dickiedollop no he didn't.
Mary Du Plessis No he didn’t what ?
Well said sir! Trying to educate the mush heads to the real history of the continent of Africa is trying at best.
It sickens me that there is a statue of this man in Parliament Square.
Same here, in Glasgow Scotland they have named a street after the man, also Winnie Mandela killed a little boy, shocking !
Perhaps a tyre could be placed on it and set on fire, Winne was fond of a bit of necklacing!
@@lizmacleod8903 she killed a few people
@@pertuk I discussed Winnie Mandelas crimes with a black person and I was shot down in flames !
@@pertuk The Black culture have made this fantasy up about them being the originators of culture and civilization but became oppressed, I can't imagine how this could have happened
It’s very brave of History debunked to look into these subjects that everyone is to scared to, especially in these times when the pc brigade has gone mad, and people are offended if you’re not offended.
Simon all ways covets his arse with pure fact indisputable truth ,I wish he was my history teacher in school maybe I would have enjoyed my lessons ms cdf
Mandela happily sang and danced the "kill the white farmer" song.
Do you where I can get that song?
I'd like to remix it for a new generation of revolutionaries.✊🏿
@@meltratics9138 Oooga - boooga, uh huh - uh huh, muh-dik muh-fuh - ahmmasay muh-dik muh-fuh - lak a muh-fuh an shiot. Wahmasay - wahmasay? Ahmasay - kill de whyt man! kill de boer! take dey munnies! uh huh, uh huh, muh-dik muhfuh! There ya go - enjoy!
He didn't do it though, unlike Robert Mugabe.
@Mr Best Policy I don't think you read my comment carefully. I compared them AFTER they got power, not before and Mandela had a reconciliation process. He also created a reconciliation day for each year. Of course people kill people in a war. Have you never lived in a country that was involved in a war? Violence begets violence too. Warmongers in other countries were rewarded when they were involved in negotiating the subsequent peace, such as Henry Kissinger USA who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
@@meltratics9138 Nissan Man Dealer.
when I was in school during the 90s, practically all children were taught that Mandela was a symbol of world peace and reconciliation, and it appeared most adults believed it too. He was jailed for some very serious weapons offences including explosives and was offered a reduced sentence if he order his followers to discontinue violence. His wife was also a murderer.
You Idolise Churchill, was he a man of peace or did he defend his nation from a German invasion?
@@paulkendal1 I don't idolise Churchill, but don't you dare put that murderer Mandela on the same platform as Churchill.
@@Brecconable So you think that Churchill is somehow better or more revered than Mandela. Again, i am quite shocked by your shallow mind. Ask Africans/Black Americans,People of Colour whom they revere more. Then pose the same question to little racists like yourself. I am sure you will get totally diffrent answers
@@paulkendal1 good point.
@@olubunmiolumuyiwa thank you friend
lovely statues erected in his memory for the sheeple to look up to
@Stesilaus or stick it up Nelsons arse - if not yours eh?
blm rip down a statue of a hero in bristol and the police stand by and do sod all but if someone toure down a statue of nelson mendela thay would go to jale
@Stesilaus A nelson mandela statue ? there are at least 2 there is one in bounds green
@Sam •not bitter, just better educated than you
Winnie Mandela, the Queen of Necklacing, was a truly nasty piece of work as well.
Surprisingly shes not been nominated for sainthood yet either. Seems like St Nelson can do no wrong in a certain groups eyes. Personally I'm still waiting for his statue to go for a Thames bath....
@@tonyprice3347 don't fret, I'm sure they will get round to it!🤬
Re-naming a major road in Johannesburg after her. May as well call it Lions Matches Rd.
@Xiao wong Bidensteinberg you're a trolling ain't ya.
@Xiao wong Bidensteinberg so the xhinese can replace? And with what concentration camps.. Lol
It is lovely to listen to a person that is so able to articulate the facts that I have over my 75 years become well aware of. Carry on with your work.
As the Soviet Union came to nothing, so did S. Africa. After the ANC took over it descended in to chaos , corruption and general anarchy. What had been known as the " Paris of the South", is now a jungle where even fresh water, electricity and sanitary sewers have crumbled back to pre-colonial levels.
Not entirely true
@@TheIncredibleMrG777 Well, perhaps not entirely, as there are still some whites left, but the march backward is inexorable.
@@oldschool1993 So? Let the whites rule S Africa and then what? Kumbaya? Jesus....was not white.
@@GrumpX Maybe you were weak from Ramadan that day in class, but whites did rule S. Africa for a couple centuries and turned it into a prosperous land. It is now sliding inexorably back to what it was for millennia. Jesus was a Semite which in scientific terms is white. James Baldwin the renowned black writer said that blacks were anti Semitic because they believed Semites to be white.
@@oldschool1993 Prosperous for whom? Jesus wasn't white. He was brown. Maybe if the christian Boers of S Africa accepted that back then they might still be governing S Africa in a fairer system for all (granted not one country has a 100% all fair system). Granted that there are some crazy blacks who believe that they were the people of Moses but anti-semitic is a broad term. By your definition the zionists of israel are anti-semites for their treatment of the Palestinians.
A much-needed reality-check.
Marxists paint him as a hero
I was raised to believe he was a hero in spite of his terrorism conviction and his boast that he was manipulating the communist supporters of his actions somehow.
@@cupidstunt8136. Me too. We even sung songs about him in school to wish his speedy freedom. (1980’s) only in my 30’s when the truth gradually began to emerge. I didn’t believe it at first.
@@rollovaughan just about all children and most adults in Australia genuinly believed he was jailed for breaching freedom of speech. I was in my 20s when someone reminded me he was jailed for terrorism with explosives as a matter of fact
A lot of us thought that we were communists then. Then we grew up. I hope that this generation of "Trained Marxists" do too.
Rather than just being reactive, I think that the thing to do is to study the evolution of revolutions. It's tragic to see how these bold attempts at creating a better world are destroyed by the worst aspects of Human Nature.
They would!
Mandela could have been released many years earlier if he had condemned violence. This he absolutely refused to do. Great factual report.
I just found out a few years ago what an evil man he was. It sickens me the world see him as a person of peace.
Very much like Martin McGuinness in Northern Ireland
Well, there's a well-known saying which points out that the only difference between a "terrorist" and a "freedom-fighter" is whether you agree with their cause or not. With Mandela, the world has decided that his cause was good and therefore any acts of evil that he committed while fighting that cause were in fact good and heroic, so we can have a nice, clear-cut, simplistic "good" or "evil" narrative about history.
That's why you don't hear much about things like, for example, Mahatma Gandhi's charming habit of getting into beds naked with children in order to "test himself." It seems unlikely that he had a 100% pass-rate on those tests, and we can only wonder what happened when he "failed." But history has decided he was a good guy, therefore anything which conflicts with or complicates the narrative will be airbrushed out of the picture.
Makes you wonder how "good" or "evil" all of the heroes and villains of history _truly_ were.
To know how insane the world is just looked at Obamas peace prize 😀 ,the guy blew up more wedding parties in Afghanistan 🇦🇫 than any other president, then there's Libya 🇱🇾 Syria 🇸🇾 Iran 🇮🇷 Somalia 🇸🇴, and numerous unreported wars in Africa 🌍 🙄 CLOWN WORLD
Well done. I regularly have to re-education my mixed race children about the truth of this man. Socialism in all it's guises must be one of the hate-filled ideology to afflict mankind. You made a valid point-under apartheid, one could say the white SA government brought much of the problems upon themselves. However, now the ANC have been in power for decades, their record of looking after black South Africans (excepting ANC officials and their families) is woefully inadequate, some might say, worse than the white government.
Read the wiki page for Liberia. There’s enough truth there to make your eyes bulge! Communists used South Africa as an experiment from the beginning of the 20th century. Direct quote from David Ivon Jones (one of the founders of the International Socialist league of SA) to Leon Trotsky in 1921... “The economic crises that you mention in your questionnaire do not exist in South Africa as an independent phenomenon of its capitalist economy because there is neither the capital nor the slaves to subordinate it... These native workers are a perfect material for the socialist revolution. But they are all illiterate and for this reason they are out of reach of the communist propaganda. Their mental awakening demands educational institutions of either capitalism or communism - whoever will be first”. 1927-28 the Comintern came up with a goal for the communist effort in SA. The country was to become a ‘negro republic independent from GB with autonomy for the national white minorities’. The SACP would struggle to interpret this concept for the next decade. Theoretical gerrymandering of concepts ensured that the SACP remained confused and relatively ineffectual until after ww2. Testimony of David Ivon Jones in 1930s who referred to himself as a ‘white colonist’ and suggested that “for some of us, the only tie with SA is the communist movement itself’.
Nothing is worse than rule by people whom have raided your lands and dont have your customs. Rather my hell than yours.
I totally understand and agree with you. I’m a white man born and raised in Britain. I hate how my country has been taken over.
@@kerriepaterson Very interesting, thanks for that information and shedding light on their motivations.
@@meltratics9138 check world iq map
What worries me is how the left in this country could see nothing wrong with Mandela and they heaped praise on him.Even more concerning was how many people,particularly council office workers,put photos of him on their desks.
I recall one woman ,when talking to a senior manager about Mandela, taking a handkerchief out to wipe away her tears ! He offered his support,and agreed with her about what a wonderful person Mandela is,and what an inspiration he was
I was stunned,especially as the woman,had never mentioned politics in all the time I had known her.It still frightens me how people can be so easily brainwashed. Reminiscent of Germany in the 1930's.
I still can't believe how
Of course the left reveres him... after all, for them, the end justifies the means!
Have you ever known a leftist shed one tear for the hundreds of millions that died in their fruitless attempts to usher in their "Utopia"?
Edit: swapped "excuses" for "justifies"...
Three cheers to you for speaking the truth! I commend you, Sir!
Your channel is a goldmine of truth.
You are great man!!!
We need more people like you!!! Especially in our education system, cause alot of the teachers we have are garbage.
You are doing Gods work sir!
I have tried to educate people about the REAL history of Africa and it wears me down.
The facts are the fact pretty or not. The history of Angola, Sudan, Zimbabwe ( formerly Rhodesia), South Africa and many others have all been “spit polished” for modern consumers. They would have us all believe that these places were a garden of eden and the white man has messed it all up. Arrrrrgh!!!
Keep up the great work sir!
Hey Simon when are you going to stop talking out of your anus and start talking out of your mouth?. Considering the tyranny imposed on black South Africans by white INVADERS, is it any surprise that some black Africans formed groups to commit violence against their tyrants?. Considering all the injustices inflicted by WHITE South Africans against black South Africans for over 100 years, violence against the white tyrants was PERFECTLY JUSTIFIED. Imagine the following hypothetical scenario, while you and your family are sleeping, a bunch of thugs break into your home and hold you and your family hostage, during which the thugs brutalise at least one member of your family, now wouldn’t you want to retaliate in defense of your loved one?, or would you retaliating make you a terrorist?. Nelson Mendela was never a terrorist, he was merely a REVENGE-SEEKER. The BIGGEST terrorist organisation ever in human history has been the British Empire, these Poo-Guzzling-Pigs INVADED foreign countries in the name of greed and power, by violence including MASS-MURDER of natives, and LOOTING. This British terrorist organisation (The Empire) was also engaged in the narcotics trade at a international scale, they used narcotics and alcohol to subdue natives and rob them. Therefore not only was the British Empire a International organised crime syndicate, the British Empire was also a TERRORIST organisation who pioneered racism, international crime, and terrorism.
I would like to thank you very much for your vidioes I'm going to start showing them to my children.. Again many thanks
I'm so glad that you like them.
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Me too, I've recommended the channel to my daughters and the topics invariably form part of our conversation when the family go for a walk in the park.
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb Us Portuguese appreciate your videos - unfortunately Google removes most my comments - if you can (research is impossible today) try to do a video about MLK's sealed FBI tapes - the FBI has tapes of him talking to a pimp ordering w women - No joke !
@Fela George Wow !!! You really are all for censorship, like all the videos of what happened to Rhodesia after the fall into Zimbabwe - all removed by Google after the purchase of RUclips - control the narrative with censorship - really this is the world you want ?
I think we know whom Tom Fool is around here in the comments, Don't we gentleman?
I lived in South Africa in the 80s and 90s . The only thing I would applaud him for is the fact that when released he could have started a civil war then and there but didn't. Other than that he was a terrorist in my eyes as I remember the wimpy bars being blown up. One in Pretoria was about 300m from where I lived and my family would often eat there. Just lucky we weren't there that Friday night otherwise i wouldn't be typing this.
He gave the order to fire into the crowd at shell house. The lack of civil war came because no one wanted it, rather than Mandela. In 5he months leading up to the election 15thousand people died in tribal fighting. The army kept it together.
Remember the old saying? "A Wimpy Burger will cost you an arm and a leg."
@Xiao wong Bidensteinberg I liked it when we topped Mairead Farrel in GIbralter
He knew that they would have been anilaited.
@Xiao wong Bidensteinberg two wrongs never made a right
Used to watch his daughter hold court when she was at school. They lived high above the rest of us.
I was thrown out of a house party in 1985 for saying Mandela was a terrorist.
And what was hilarious...the 3 black people there agreed with me, they were from SA and they started the duscussion.
bet you were glad....sounds like a shite party........in scotland they only throw you out to go to the shops to buy more booze lol
Yep...one of them was off BBC local radio...say no more.
Sounds as if you had similar conversation to mine. Everybody makes fun of trump , he's not very nice but he's on the bullseye with FAKE NEWS. the more you dig into things ,you'll wish you hadn't because a lot you've been told has been a lie.
@Bob Smith not me
Yeah that's what a European word, other people who try to fight for their people and freedom get labelled a terrorists.
I lived in SA during this time period, I enjoy the stunned mullet looks on people's faces when I tell them the facts, sadly most dont care.
I am a retired master mariner, i used to have a black first officer he fought against mugabe in the bush wars, a nicer man you would not meet. During the 80s when we were in durban we would go hunting in the natal with no problems at all made welcome etc. However after the power shift in the early 90s things definitely changed if you went ashore you made damn sure you dropped a 1911 in your pocket. Duke(first officer) did the same because if you were black and seen to be friendly with whites it was dangerous (soweto necklace et all). When we both retired to uk old duke used to lament what happened in Rhodesia and south africa. The changes were definitely not for the better.
I remember growing up in the 1960s, my dad said Mandela was a Communist, and guess what, he was.
Doesn't that tell you it wasn't hidden
@@dizmop Tells you that the supporters for communism run the media, banks and governments.
@Fela George Back in the 1960s, what was considered important later in the century wasn't important in the 1960s. Remember Soweto burning on the TV.
@Fela George Violence is no excuse for a cause.
@Fela George No excuse for violence in a struggle. That puts you on the same level as Lenin, Mao, PolPot, etc.
"...I thought he was going to talk about Jesus", lol . When I heard that I knew this would be a good one
This channel is perfectly named...the truth is hard to dispute!
I bet Winnie would like it so much she would like to give him a 'Necklace'...if she were still alive.
Paul Gonzalez how do you know it’s the trust? How much of what he speaks of is the truth. Are is it that he feeds into what you think he knows. He’s not saying anything that not already known. What he is speaking of is nothing now , to human existence . Most so called heroes have the same story , he mentioned Jesus , if there was really ever one , his story may have the same narrative, hero worshiping.
Joe Slovo wasn't white.
@Rodney Andersen He was great. You wouldn't have fought, in his situation? You would have just meekly submitted to brutal racist treatement, and called those who would fight thugs and terrorists? I cannot comprehend the level of cowardice and submissiveness in this mentality. Pathetic beyond words.
He is right to say that Mandela is portrayed falsely. He was no saint. Saints don't win great battles. He was a man, he knew when to fight and when to make peace. That's the true legacy of Nelson Mandela.
But clearly easy to obfuscate.
Thanks Simon, well explained. This is so true, and how gullible were the British back in the 80s when everyone thought Mandela was a saint and pressed for a boycott against SA. I worked there in the 80s for a few years, just narrowly managed to miss the bomb blast in the bar in Durban in 86, saw the horrible results of it. I came back to UK and found it hard to get work because of 'association' with SA. Some of the people I know who stayed there are now dead from being stabbed by black men. What a mess that country is, what a shame too as it is indeed beautiful.
In general sir, you are very well informed. These days (especially in South Africa), true history became very unknown and badly twisted due to these communists changing the education system, systematically destroying the Afrikaner values and language, etc etc.
bit like whats happening in britain
Afrikaner values". Surely that's an oxymoron
@@westleymanc just as much a oxymoron as that there are plenty of excessive fools out there not realising the state they are in. Normally such fools talk when those who actually knows keeps quiet.
@@westleymanc i do not see the oxy, you moron.
@@westleymanc the Boers are deeply religious and their communities are close-knit. Even though they aren’t Catholics, I still respect them. They are being oppressed by the corrupt regime of ANC and they are being erased by history… This is so sad.
As you correctly say, he was no saint!
Thank you Simon. I'm a South African and when I was growing up during the appartheid era, speaking of this matter I.e. Mandela and Co. Was taboo. Many things were wrong with the system but it must be remembered that the then government created a stable, economically thriving country, albeit against all odds.
Fascinating! Much appreciated.
I was in Pretoria with the Church Street bombing he's got a lot of innocent blood on his hands
Where you there or where you just in Pretoria on that day
Thank you for the videos, keep up the good work. History, true history is being systematically erased and replaced. You sir are a treasure.
That was very interesting, I had heard he wasn't quite the person he was made at to be, but I did not know why.
Thank you.
*0:10** Pretty sure you meant December 2013. If not, you look great for your age!*
I had to google when he died to make sure simon isn't 150 years old
@@Terence.McKenna I'm wondering why he hasn't posted for 3 days. It's my suspicion that RUclips is throttling his channel or he got a suspension. 👎😒
@@nashvillain171 Paranoia
You sir are pure gold
PM Margaret Thatcher was the only one with enough guts to stand up and state what would have been the best solution for South Africa namely “A White Only State”! You only need look at the dreadful state the country is in now.
👍 Don't be demoralized. There is a grand game at play and you will never be trending no matter how many subs you have or how much nonsense you expose. Simply persisting makes you more valuable than gold. 💰
@Trouble Came Calling You don’t like truth?
@Trouble Came Calling I was falling asleep and it wasn't phrased a bad as I feared. A Mr. Yuk 🤢 & a stormy cloud ⛈ sticker are now part of your social credit score.
Thank you for educating people about true history!
Joe Slovo wasn't white. I just looked up his 'early life' on wikipedia... Every. Single. Time.
Its mind boggling
Joe slovo was white and Jewish.
@@jeanninerossouw6660 they don't consider them selves white
Right let's get the feckin colour chart out and sort this once and for all. I'm thinking light tan/buttermilk.
@@ricosanches9937 White isn't a skin colour, it's an ethnicity. Jews are not White.
S. Africans are Dutch descent. How did Mandela justify taking away the country from the people who settled and built it?
There were also French German and English
His brand of communism was to establish a pan-african superstate. its the ANC not the SANC
Because they belong in Holland ,Belgium and hell
@@paulgomes4300 you're a reprobate imbecile
@@paulgomes4300 if you can get me back to France from where my ancestors fled from Catholic persecution, I would willingly return. Let me know how that goes will you? Anything is better than this failed state and the savagery of the people who came down from the North. thanks.
Only perfect man without flaws was JESUS.
Glade Goodrich sure jesus was a good man but feel sure any flaws he had would not be mentioned in the bible.Sorry but no ones 100% a saint.
"...a figure like Gandhi" lol. Gandhi was not exactly "a figure like Gandhi" either. You should debunk him next.
Gandhi is a hero of the whites. Had it not been for Gandhi, the brits would have lost India altogether. Perhaps world history would have changed if Gandhi, like Subhash Chandra Bose, had supported Japan against England during the so-called Second World War. Gandhi sided with the brits in the war. Whites do not just respect Gandhi.
@@darshananiroshan7760 I'm sure Indians would have enjoyed a lovely life under Japanese occupation.
Yes. For one thing Gandhi hated the black people in SA when he lived there .
@@darshananiroshan7760 I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Gandhi stuff comes from the Left, specifically from China ..... Attacking the figures and institutions of cultural identity is a classic Marxist tactic ( BLM in the UK for example) , and China and India are big rivals in Asia right now. So it wouldn't surprise me if it's another exported idea from Beijing that enters the minds of the west via leftist media and academics. Just a suspicion I have.
I don't know if it's true or not, but a man claiming to be a grandson of Gandhi in a documentary I saw said he used to smack him around along with the other grandkids when they were young. It would fit in the lefty image of him being violent himself when playing the ultimate victim and great spiritual leader of tolerance and peace. Maybe the most famous in the world after Jesus, and the Left paints Christ as some kind of monster. It's all part of the Big Lie that the Left has fooled the world with, like Hitler was right wing and the US was built on slavery and the genocide of the Indians. Just the same hypocrisy we are all brainwashed into believing the world over.
The man had sixty thousand Soviet landmines in his possession when he was arrested. When I was in South Africa in 1998 Simon's Town was still there.
He wasn’t very peaceful and his wife is frightful. How about a video about Julian Malema?🤣
Yes....she put the fear of god into the white supremacists.....and we always love her for it.✊🏿
jimmy Afrika the British put apartheid in place. It wasn’t the Afrikaans. Stop killing them.
@@LadyFairfax33 Apartheid was officially adopted as Govt policy in 1948 by the incoming Nationalist Party of Francoise Malan.
Don't believe everything that white supremacist Laura Southern puts out.The reality is violence by farmers against workers is far more prevalent.
jimmy Afrika really? Malan was from the Cape.
jimmy Afrika if you choose to deny the brutal murder of the whites farmers in SA is wrong, you are stupid.
Yes well his daughter was a colourful character herself. But, it's often best to hold your council about certain figureheads, because a lot of people want to believe in somebody, something. Much like any religious figure, it's best to let people believe rather than face the wrath of the incoherent mob. People are contradictory idiots, and I've come to terms with that.
All you need to believe in -
is yourself
and trust other people !
Too much paranoia and Godworship on this lonely planet creating paranoia and wars !
We save ourselves
and help those around us.
Simple huh.
Protestant ideals are our health and safety laws.
@Richard Johnson im god?
Surferant666 no he meant like “ oh god ur funny” or “ Jesus Christ ur funny” he’s not saying u r God. It’s just an expression. English is probably not ur first language so I hope that helps.
@@abdirisaqmohamed896 really????
I thank you so very much sir, for mansplaining sarcasm to me.
No you're quite correct- my first language was German !
Small note. Mandela did not plead guilty. He was found guilty by the judge.
None of the murders at Nuremberg pleaded guilty either
@Rob Rovers Mandela is basically a black Nazi.
5:30 - Slovo wasn't really White. He belonged to an international tribe.
@Spartan Nation - true dat!
He was very white. His daughters used to be friends with my next door neighbours in Northcliff, Johannesburg. He was very misguided.
@@normangoldstuck8107 It was a jew. Jews are not Huwite.
A correct description of him is highly conspicuous by its absence
@@elbuggo, are Jews with blond hair and blue eyes, 'non-white'?
Now see we are never told the back story of Nelson, quite a divisive fellow, we have been lied to for years about Nelson, definitely far from a saint.
L we have all been lied about the history of so many things.
The majority of people in brittain new of mandelas background and still then and now consider him a great man you seem to think the average brittish person is politically ignorant perhaps some are but our history of left wing liberal struggle ensures that you cannot grow up in brittain without being exposed to the history of organised labour including south africa ireland and around the world we brittish have a proud history of left wing thought and educational values thats why no party with racist right wing views has ever gained any support in our liberaly minded country
@@johnmilligan6605 says someone who's people voted for a celebrity star
How's that working out for you so far ......... laughing stock of the world .
@@hootsmon4723 but now they a useless village idiot of Washington as presidential cheat in chief.
@@hootsmon4723 no major war under his watch as president.
These civil rights leaders lived complex lives. Martin Luther King Jr. FBI tapes are absolutely jaw dropping.
Nice to see you gaining more subscriptions; I greatly enjoy your videos.
The Mandela myth exploded,! 👏👏👏🇬🇧🇬🇧
I love the union flags you put, it shows me your love and passion for great Britain!!!
Without it I would never have known.
Thank you so so so so so so so so much
Bollocks!
There is no myth. He met violence with violence when peaceful process didn't work. History shows that europeans don't respond to peaceful dialog. They take what they want & kill without blinking. When people respond to them in the same way, they are called terrorist.
@@kenwilliams7597 British withdrew from India, gave up sovereignty over Hong Kong, freed its commonwealth possessions, relinquished Australia and New Zealand, built infrastructure and wealth through TRADE wherever they went, you've no idea what you're talking about or you're lying, you sorry, bigoted piece of shit.
@@marclacey2263 Technically you are correct. Except for the shit bit. My point is still true. It even happens today. Afghanistan for minerals. Iraq for oil. Libya for oil. African leaders assassinated when they try to protect profits for their own country. I can go on and on. Look at america right now imposing sanctions on other countries if they don't do their bidding. Yes they are europeans as well. Do your research before coming back with insults.
Friday May 20th, 1983 I was sitting in my office when a fellow worker rushed in to tell me that there was a huge bomb blast in Pretoria. By the late afternoon it was clear that there was 19 dead and 200 wounded. As it turned out later a Dutch woman smuggled a message given to her by Mandela out of jail. The message was that he sanctioned the bombing in Pretoria. A guy called Guido Van Hecken, organized the bomb and had it placed in a car in Maputo. This very same Guido Van Hecken is today working for Oxfam Solidariteit in Belgium. The car with the bomb was driven to Pretoria by a Dutch Belgium activist called Hélène Passtoors. She later said on Belgium TV that she had no regrets and that she was a soldier for Mandela. These people worshipped this man. The guys that drove the car into Pretoria, Freddie Shangwe en Ezekial Maseko was also killed as the bomb exploded 10 minutes too early. At the time I worked for the Sowetan which was a newspaper for black readers and very much anti-apartheid. After Mandela was released the killing between the different groups, Inkatha and ANC started in all earnest. At Shell House, the ANC headquarters, 20 people died on Mandela's instructions. Between 1990 and 1994 14 000 people died in this conflict which was black on black struggling for power. The history of South Africa is mostly purposely misunderstood. Apartheid which had many downsides also had good sides which no one dares talk about. 21000 people died during apartheid political unrests, 519 were killed by the police or security forces, the rest were all due to black on black violence. Today 55 people are killed on average in South Africa per day.....a woman gets raped every thirty seconds, aids is rife and tuberculosis is worse than ever, unemployment and poverty all of which are far worse than during apartheid. In 1974 petty apartheid was abolished and things looked up. A white guy appeared in Johannesburg court because he insulted a black guy, things were changing but it was not good enough, simply because the goal of the ANC was to take power and run a communist state......that dream has gone haywire and the cadres only enriched themselves and bankrupted the country.
I am always interested in these types of Vids.One of My Cousins, Sidney Percival Bunting Founded the South African Communist party ,the SACP which did become the ANC over time. His son Brian was an MP in South Africa up to the 2000's.
Sidney was a Cambridge educated white man,the grandson of the Rev Dr Jabez Bunting of the methodist Church,and immersed in what would be called socialist thinking today.(the family tree is full of politically active people) He read law at Cambridge and went to South Africa to practice law,His first legal partner was Ghandi.
Sidneys wife,Becky, was also a Lithuanian born jew,and also a communist. When she was born ,Vilnius was part of Russia.
Communist countries never lst long, and it's just taken South Africa a little longer to dissolve into chaos as the white farmers are driven off the land and the Congolese plunder what ever they can .
I remember seeing an interview with Mandela saying the communists used us and we used them. Essentially when the support and money ran out he didnt want to be a communist anymore. I enjoy your videos as they are objective.
A breath of fresh air. Thank you Simon. The truth will prevail
Necklace of love.
There’s a lot to be said for wisdom that comes with old age, mandela was then at his peak of wisdom, you are a wealth of experience and clear far reaching viewpoints. Society however especially in Scotland seems to be revering young people all the time, like they know best…
We NEED more of this!
Thank you for the information on Mr. Mandela.
I never thought much of him as a freedom fighter and your video affirmed this.
Thank you
Mandela was a terrorist._even if one agreed with his cause. The the deaths of innocents cant be forgotten.
How would you categorise the East India Company?
@@Jaded-Wanderer What has that got to do with the contention that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist? The East India Company has never been labelled as a cross between Gandhi and Father Christmas.
@@Jaded-Wanderer Are you asking who is most responsible for his own choice, of violence against innocents? I would assue you should know better! Perhaps you should sign up for the ANC! And don’t forget your flowers with thoes bombs. It helps fool ordinary people and further your cause! Violence is no excuse for violence and certainy not in broad and sweeping ways - you are apparently comfortable with. Maybe the IRA would suit you better, unless you are the right shade of non white!
Not such thing ever innocent white South Africa they're all guilty
man this is my new favorite channel
I still remember a small article in the Chicago Tribune some years ago. The article described the South African government searching for the AK-47 that he buried before his arrest. So much for the narrative that he was only a political leader.
I remember a while back coming across a bit of video in which Mandela and a couple of chums were singing a catchy little number about killing the hated white people.. I never felt quite the same way about him after that!
Glad to see the growth of your channel!! Keep up the great work!!
Black people make up the majority in South Africa. Although the Dutch were a predominantly colonial white minority, they held political, cultural and economic power. That is because of the dominance of colonialism. The Dutch activated a vicious cycle of racism in South Africa. Blacks stood up against it. Nelson Mandela was a prominent leader in that struggle. The Dutch imprisoned him. But the struggle was not over. It appeared that the whites could no longer suppress the black struggle.
However, despite Mandela's imprisonment, the Dutch realized that as the struggle of the black people progressed, they would be massacred, eventually losing political and economic power, and leaving South Africa with nothing. The Dutch wanted to prevent it. Mandela was the perfect man to use for that. We know that Mandela was released from prison, that he implemented a so-called policy of reconciliation, and that the Dutch had enough godliness to forgive. We know that because the whites have told us so. Meanwhile, a so-called Truth and Reconciliation Commission was appointed under the leadership of Pastor Desmond Tutu. What is important to us here is that Mandela and Tutu were religiously Christian and culturally close to whites. The problem between white and black leaders was primarily in the political and economic spheres. It is clear that the release of white Mandela from prison was in accordance with an agreement.
Mandela is an ordinary black man. He did not inherit much property by birth. But at the time of his death he was said to have owned millions of pounds of gold in cash alone. Later, his relatives seek the help of Roman Dutch law, which is in force in South Africa, to share his property. But those who manipulate the Western media do not give it much publicity.
As had been suggested, Gandhi would be an obvious topic but whilst we’re shining a light on “untouchable” public heroes, where do you stand on Mother Theresa......the Hitchens side,
the religious side or somewhere between? Top work Sir, keep it up!
It hardly matters where a self-confessed non-user of saints(his words)stands on mother Teresa .Simon is a gifted and knowledgeable communicator ,but without faith in God or his church must be accounted an unreliable guide in spiritual or even moral matters.it would be ironic to confer sanctity -status on one who disbelieves it.
I was a cop and a soldier in SA during the very early 80s up to 19998. I can tell you a thing or two about what a bastard he was.
They should make a musical play about him, with Colin Firth playing the lead!
Should never have a statue in London of any terrorist. Absolute disgrace.
Very sporting of you not to mention "necklacing". Many saints didn't actually do this type of thing to people so you can see how its mention might tarnish the halo a bit.
A well thought out and honest discussion, I am glad there are historians like yourself who do not mutilate history to suit agenda and political correctness.
Simon a historian? 🤣, Simon is about as enlightened as an embryo, I have utterly destroyed some of his pathetic arguments
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO your attacking someone for their political views and not their historical accuracy. (Yes I read your other comments).
You haven't destroyed anyone, all you are doing is waffling in youtube comments.
You think your winning while actually... no one cares as someone (like Simon) has actually got off their arse and done some research and then made a video on a subject that gets people like you riled up and make idiotic comments because it doesn't conform with your world view and cry that "it's waaaysist! “.
Keep "winning" champ /sarcasm.
I can't find the details now, but I remember a south african pastor told of how he went to see president mandela to ask him not to sign the law allowing abortion on demand. The pastor was struck by how very kind and interested mandela was in his concerns, so after the interview he went home thinking mandela had listened to the points put forward and was taking them into consideration. But the next day the SA equivalent of the IRS descended on the church and started searching for financial irregularities that they could pin on the pastor. They occupied the church, searching the paperwork and intimidating the members, doing their best to close the church down and destroy the pastor, and they didn't leave for: 7 YEARS. (They never found any irregularities). So whatever you think about abortion, that's quite a vicious streak demonstrated right there under the grandfatherly smile.
100 % right. he was a bas....
S A Blacks were treated as sub human , Mandela had every right to take up arms against those oppressors, that makes him a hero. Later in life he found forgiveness and reconciliation in hes heart,that makes him a saint. We all sin but with Mandela, Jesus was well pleased.
As backstage manager Wembley, I spent 40 mins chatting with Nelson. A good man, he said " I invite you. I need men like you to help rebuild my country". I went off on tour with Rolling Stones. I did not think politics was my cup of tea. Nelson was a good, kind, thoughtful man, I have the greatest respect for him.
He was no communist either, he only aligned with the communist because they were the only ones willing to help. The reason western conservatives are conflicted about him is because they missed the opportunity to help South Africa during apartheid. He averted a civil war, authored one of the greatest constitutions in the world and only ruled for 4 years. Spent most of his post prison days promoting peace and unity sincerely. What kind of communist does that?
Joe Slovo, check out his early life history! Every single time!
Every single time? Almost everyone else in the ANC was not a Ju. But one was.
This proves Every Single Time?
You are an idiot.
This bloke won’t mention it, though. He’s a Zionist.
0:10 "I was present during a school assembly at about Christmas time in december 1913..."
I have to say Simon, you look great for a 107 year old!
All kidding aside ;), I greatly appreciate your historical insight in your videos! Keep up the great work you do!
Thank you for this information.
My positive view of Mandela comes from his attitude towards the west and white population at large after he took over leadership of new South Africa.
I strongly believe a person is best known when he has power and we know many had faltered and still is doing so while on that hot seat.
I assume that was December 2013 because you're not old enough to have heard a school lecture in 1913.
Slovo was born in Obeliai, Lithuania, to a Jewish family that emigrated to the Union of South Africa when he was eight. His father worked as a truck driver in Johannesburg. Although his family were religious, he became an atheist who retained respect for "the positive aspects of Jewish culture".[3]
I just stumbled upon your channel. How wonderful to hear the other side of accepted stories.
Love you videos compelling listening.
You could you do one of these on Winston Churchill next, that would be good
Very intetesting facts. Thankyou Simon.
This reminds me of the parable of the prodigal son. That Mandela handled the transition of power in RSA peacefully is a thing to be welcomed even if he was a different character in his youth. Forgiveness is something we could do with a bit more of in these times of cancelling.
This is why you people had been bullied by them To hell with forgiveness they are doing a lot of harm and want to destroy you and country silly
Nelson became a hero- because he prevailed. AoNZ campaigned heavily on the rugby field to support democracy in South Africa. We might question whether it was worth it. History, like politics, is the art of the possible... ...and democracy is dictatorship by the majority.
@History Debunked Your channel has quickly become my very favourite; keep up the brilliant job you are doing of providing authentic education to the public! Just a gentle reminder:I reckon you meant to say the date was 2013-not 1913-when you were recounting the story of that hare-brained headmaster.
I'm South African, sometimes , it's better to say nothing at all 💣️ He liked the bars 🎶️ 🎵️ The bars that go boom ! 100% right !
We're BIS ( Demagogue ) and the Ewes ( mankind ) and we like the boom 🎶️ ! MAN is GOD !
Excellent piece of historical research, factual.
Very precise talk, factual, background excellent. Kinda sad when you see whats going on in S.A. today.
But Mandela did end up a kind of Father Christmas. They let him out on a Sanity Clause.
Funnily enough, courtesy of the MARX Brothers!
There ain't no sanity clause. Dave Vanian said so!
Pull his statues down
Wasn’t it the sanctions imposed by Western governments that finally overthrew the White South African government and replaced it with the ANC? Why would the Western governments do this?
White South Africans didn't want to play along with the "rulers of the world" so they used their MSM puppets and false propaganda to turn the world against us.
The result, a failed state under their control, mission accomplished...
Congratulations, that is one of the most stupid explanations I have ever seen. Even for a conspiracy theory it is bad.
Thanks for a very informative video.
Thank you. I love all these History Debunked series. Keep it up !
nelson Mandela was a symbolic mythical figure representing hope and freedom for many who suffered oppression and poverty. he was imprisoned for 27 years. he stood for something. black and white South Africans admired him and were inspired by him. i am a white South African and a British citizen, I wept when he died, he was and is our inspiration, he walked his talk, very few political leaders do that. he brought positive change to SA. his successors in the ANC and in SA government unfortunately have let black and white South Africans down. history can be told through multiple lenses. no man is a saint, but some people do work for good.
Pretentious Tosh!