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  • @Daniel_Batal
    @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +34

    🔴 UPDATE! My Copyright Strike ▶ ruclips.net/video/lDAKFyCqJNQ/видео.html

    • @HalfAssHomestead
      @HalfAssHomestead Год назад

      I actually don't like the newest version of Filmora, and have since transferred over to ShotCut which is Freeware. Definitely a learning curve, but just as good as Final Cut Pro but for windows.

    • @southernwolf7478
      @southernwolf7478 Год назад

      @@HalfAssHomestead Shotcut also works natively on Linux as well. This is also the software that I use.

    • @monkstandinglast
      @monkstandinglast Год назад

      No offence meant just a observation, this lawyer could be a double for Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer just needs some bleach blonde hair lol but really some excellent info given here thanks

    • @eriksonyw
      @eriksonyw 24 дня назад

      Hi Daniel. I'm Filmora user too. Thanks for making these videos for raising issue about this type of matter. Since this issue is more about legal matter rather than the product itself, please allow me to also raise awareness of how car manufactures, such as Japanese/French owned NISSAN, falsely claim that their transmission fluid inside the transmission is "Lifetime" and that it does not require changing for the "life time" of the car. The reality is: transmission fluid does require changing regularly. I'll be terribly sorry if u feel like this comment is spammy, but I just need to get the words out in hope that some day these car manufactures can stop this kind of practice.

  • @cunninghamcreative
    @cunninghamcreative Год назад +143

    After all the talk about lifetime vs perpetual, upgrade or update, or if the purchaser bought version 9, it was clear I wasn't going to be one of those people to whom Filmora would make version 12, subscription free... to me. But I was wrong. I wrote a note that said I was a serious hobbyist, not a pro, and will not be purchasing subscriptions to any creator software. I also mentioned that as a senior, I am really not looking forward to learning a new program. I got a wonderful surprise. Filmora gave me the Filmora 12 upgrade with no subscription fee, and was told I would continue to get updates or upgrades at no charge. I am very happy, and Daniel, thank you for priming the pump. And thanks to Filmora for having a heart.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +28

      See that?! Filmora really is trying to do the right thing! Love hearing that. Thanks for the update.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +24

      I think this video showed what a class action lawsuit would entail.
      I’m going to give them credit for wanting to turn to tide of public opinion within their user base

    • @FloridaFamilyLife
      @FloridaFamilyLife Год назад +10

      They are not trying that hard. I have a lifetime unlimited license, which is shown on the website, in the program, and the receipt. They still will not honor it

    • @steffenjespersen247
      @steffenjespersen247 Год назад

      From their previous actions it was clear that the perpetual license should count towards both updates to current version (9.0) and future iterations of the program (10/11...)
      Going back on this now would clearly go against the contract the consumer made with them and them changing their EULA would not be able to change this (atleast not under EU law).

    • @nerdjournal
      @nerdjournal Год назад +3

      The honored my lifetime license too even though I bought in after filmora x dropped. I didn't buy filmora x I had bought lifetime filmora 9 due to the difference in licensing and prices at the time. It was wanting me to buy filmora 10 at a yearly price and filmora 9 at a lifetime price... I think it may have been $10 more I can't remember. According to the way it sounded I didn't technically qualify but they still honored it.

  • @thecozyintrovert
    @thecozyintrovert Год назад +23

    I always feel like contracts and agreements only matter for the company’s well being. It does nothing for the consumer. They can break and change contracts whenever they want and then say too bad if we don’t like it. It’s not like I can disagree to the contract and negotiate it- if I disagree I can’t use the software. Corporations can do whatever they want and contracts mean nothing (to the consumer)

  • @DougHewsonYT
    @DougHewsonYT Год назад +41

    Thanks to Ian for the legal perspective on the Filmora saga! Enjoyed the conversation

  • @aneveningofoldtimeradio
    @aneveningofoldtimeradio Год назад +20

    I found this extremely informative and helpful - thanks Daniel for having Mr. Corzine on this question-and-answer video; and for all that you do.

  • @MegInWhispers
    @MegInWhispers Год назад +6

    thanks for this, Daniel! in the past, I spoke out against a company in my field of work, speaking from my own experience using their product daily for over 1 year AND my professional opinion as an educator in the field, and they also threatened me with a cease & desist. it was terrifying. i didn't have anyone professional to turn to for any legal advice. so, i completely stopped talking about it publicly, sadly. so, i just want you to know -- I know how scary it can be to be in your position and how intimidating the company can feel. but you're RIGHT! and it seems like you have support from the community and access to counsel. i wish you all the best. trust your gut and do what you need to do. we appreciate you!

  • @Good_Times_Factory
    @Good_Times_Factory Год назад +5

    Daniel, thank you for rallying the community and having the fortitude to stand up for what is right. Your research was on point, and you have been so objective and professional in your presentation. It would have been easier to get mad and put them on blast, but you took the high road. You, sir, are a class act.

  • @theberrybest
    @theberrybest Год назад +10

    This entire series is an eye opener. Thanks for standing up to the corporate heavy.

  • @emmahillstv
    @emmahillstv Год назад +6

    Thanks Daniel. Actually Filmora at first never thought that the software would be all this popular and surprisingly the Editor become so popular so Life Time license would not have been put on their website. They have to face the problem and overcome this problem.

  • @TheXaminedLife
    @TheXaminedLife Год назад +7

    This discussion makes me think that it would be good to have a Print button next to the Accept button so the user can review a hard copy of the agreement before obligating themself to the terms of the agreement. Perhaps even better, it would be good for the program website to have a copy of the agreement available for review before purchasing or downloading the software.

  • @economywatch
    @economywatch Год назад +5

    Daniel, your the man bro. Thanks for doing this. I myself, got the lifetime watching your channel back when Filmora 8 was out. Stay blessed brother

  • @Mariposa_46
    @Mariposa_46 Год назад +9

    I enjoy listening to a lawyer explaining complicated situations like this one.

  • @UkeOnDemand
    @UkeOnDemand Год назад +6

    Your content has been super helpful Daniel! Thanks for putting so much time into these videos so that we understand what's going on.

  • @rockinvanlife
    @rockinvanlife Год назад +1

    Daniel thanks for your time and effort digging deep into this. I just learned a lot as Iam sure others have too. Great work again thank you for sharing 👍🥰🎩

  • @HauntedChronicles
    @HauntedChronicles Год назад +6

    It is interesting to me, as someone who streams TTRPG game content, how similar the Filmora issue and the Wizards of the Coast Dungeons & Dragon OGL issue are similar. Seeking to ignore or revoke a prior agreement in a money grab that raised a very loud outcry from the people who funded their current success.

  • @olafschermann1592
    @olafschermann1592 Год назад +1

    Great topic. Thank you!

  • @ImTheDaveman
    @ImTheDaveman Год назад +1

    This was great Daniel! Very eye-opening in legal areas I was almost clueless about and fully clueless about. I recommend people to earmark this video for future reference. When Filmora made good on with us who qualified for the lifetime license, AND when they stopped goading you about copyright strikes.., I moved forward All was good again. But yeah legal education here is important and most likely beneficial for Filmora too.

  • @secureopsbotserver
    @secureopsbotserver Год назад +2

    awesome video man, a lot of excellent information.....keep up the good work my man

  • @stephanematis
    @stephanematis Год назад +31

    Most excellent conversation and summary of the legal quagmire. Certainly a cautionary tale. In my opinion, this is one reason why Open Source solutions to software needs have often popped up to deliver a solution devoid of this aspect of the challenges. Sadly, other challenges can plague any human endeavor, but knowing the status of your legal use is often supremely clear in Open Source.

    • @gblargg
      @gblargg Год назад +2

      This is also another reason not to pirate: pirating still gives your community support to the company. You're still using their product and giving feedback (even when you just talk to others about it). You're not using other products and building support for them.

    • @southernwolf7478
      @southernwolf7478 Год назад +1

      For the last year or so, I have been trying to convert to and support more FOSS (Free and OpenSource Software). I like some way better than their insanely priced subscription model competitors.

  • @shaunhall960
    @shaunhall960 Год назад +1

    I'm definitely going to read the fine print as I start my channel. Great advice!

  • @ImagewerksOne
    @ImagewerksOne Год назад +1

    Great interview. Thank you !

  • @RayBoebel
    @RayBoebel Год назад +1

    Great video guys! I appreciate ALL that you have done and I'm sure, will continue to do. My take on the Lifetime thing is this: yes, the original base "donated" to a company so they could grow. In return, we were given the ability to grow with them. I wouldn't have been opposed to them being transparent as you said. Hey, I would have been fine with "here is the base upgraded program with some add-ons for being Lifetime member. If you want more of the add-ons, we are going to ask for extra support". I believe I saw this happen with v10 or 11. There were "extras" that you had to pay for. The bottom line here as you stated was transparency...and there was NONE. I hope they figure it out and anyone who wants to use them now and going forward doesn't get shafted.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      Yep. Transparency was always the core issue for me as well

  • @Ciumpalacu
    @Ciumpalacu Год назад +1

    Thanks for the info bro. Hello from Romania 🙏

  • @Patrick42567
    @Patrick42567 Год назад +1

    Well spoken, both of you. Thanks for info.

  • @olafschermann1592
    @olafschermann1592 Год назад +1

    In some business schools it is educated that there is a threshold of about 15k to 20k subscribers at which a shitstorm goes viral. Like a snowball: to small and it gets slower and slower. Large enough and it size accumulates until it becomes an avalanche.

  • @SuccessisTheGoal
    @SuccessisTheGoal Год назад +2

    Great info!!! Thanks!

  • @matthewporter1107
    @matthewporter1107 Год назад +22

    I like to think this is a war exercise off the coast of filmora to show that we are not a paper tiger or without legal advise or that we will back down from their misguided actions against us their customers. They really only hurt themselves through all this. I appreciate Daniel fir raising the alarm in this situation. I feel that filmora will do better at this in the future as they have learned from this mistake and we as customers will not prevail like this. All the more reason to migrate to another software. Thank you again Daniel for this video.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +3

      I think they've absolutely tried to make things right. I wish we hadn't the need to have travelled this road to get here but I wish them nothing but success moving forward.

    • @gonefilming2020
      @gonefilming2020 Год назад +2

      @@Daniel_Batal I strongly disagree. Wondershare has two interests (in order of importance):
      1. Make as much profit as possible
      2. Make this "Filmoragate" go away and somehow erase all bad publicity, that arose from it (remember that threat concerning social media reporting on this?).
      Again, I have dealt as a purchaser with Asian computer firms over the years and it actually raises the corporate recognition of an employee, that "puts one over" on some "wide-eyed" individual. There is no code of conduct to discourage this, on the contrary, it generates respect from peers and superiors.
      One should not assume, that Wondershare is trying to make things "right". This is Damage Control 101 and the good horse only jumps as far as it absolutely needs to.
      But - nonetheless - thank you again Daniel, for making this public and standing your ground!

    • @darkprinc979
      @darkprinc979 Год назад

      @@gonefilming2020 Actually, if Wondershare is indeed a Chinese company then even profit is not their first motive, because the first motive of all Chinese companies is to serve the CCP. Profit comes second to that, because if these companies do not toe the party line they will disappear, profit or not. This actually makes them far more insidious and dangerous than your typical company given the CCP's hostility towards the west.

  • @buscandolaverdad1963
    @buscandolaverdad1963 Год назад +3

    Thank you so much. I have learn a lot. Some questions I had were answer and now I have a better understanding of EULA and how it works. Again thank you for your hard work.

  • @HugoVarvoglis
    @HugoVarvoglis Год назад

    I never used filmora but I became a subbscriber of your channel for the kind way you handle all this situation, you are a great person Daniel, greetings from Greece.

  • @ChristmasClatter
    @ChristmasClatter Год назад +2

    Great interview!! I would love to see you host more interviews. And call it "No Rock Stars Allowed"

  • @LTV746
    @LTV746 Год назад +2

    By bringing attention to this, when they tried to bribe you and you said you can’t be bought and you wanted the lifetime licence you paid for! It does resonate. We all hate being bullied by corporations constantly and to see them treat THEIR FIRST BRAND AMBASSADOR like that, as consumers we know we deserve better

  • @ToRetirementAndBeyond
    @ToRetirementAndBeyond Год назад +1

    Wow! Thanks for bringing Mr. Corzine, and his channel, to our attention.
    I will be checking him out more as I hope he will be a real asset to me as a creator.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      He’s a wonderful attorney and creator. A huge asset for the community because he actually goes out of his way to answer fellow creators’ questions.

  • @EricWalkerArkansas
    @EricWalkerArkansas Год назад +1

    Good information, thanks for putting it out there.

  • @JakobVarming
    @JakobVarming Год назад +1

    Great content, thanks for getting it out, so that everybody can understand these topics! 🙏

  • @Amy_McFarland
    @Amy_McFarland Год назад +2

    Excellent follow up interview to the filmora issue! Thank you!

  • @derryXDINES
    @derryXDINES Год назад +1

    Captivating discussion! I admittedly didn't know much of what Ian discussed here.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      Me neither! Much appreciation to Ian for helping to bring perspective to this saga

  • @MikMech
    @MikMech Год назад +1

    Love your work Man 🤘

  • @oyatemusic
    @oyatemusic Год назад +1

    Great job Daniel and thank you Ian! Rock On my friend 🎸

  • @altrogeruvah
    @altrogeruvah Год назад +2

    Thank you for another great video there, Daniel! I think the law behind software licenses makes for a very fascinating topic, so I'm glad it was discussed in depth with Ian, who is a lawyer.

  • @simonbaxter8001
    @simonbaxter8001 Год назад +2

    Those corporate decisions that don't consider the consumer just reminds me of the Coke decision to change the recipe ... which then had so much public outcry that they re introduced it as Coke Classic! Never under estimate the power of the consumer/customer!

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      Truth

    • @fookingsog
      @fookingsog Год назад

      Best Coke you can get comes from Mexico!!!
      (Minus the high Fructose Corn Syrup and with Pure Cane Sugar!!! 😋)

  • @JesseHires
    @JesseHires Год назад +6

    EULA always matters! I'm guilty of just clicking through. However, when it is tied to money, property, or other people's information, you really do need to read it! Probably the worst I've seen was looking at client management software where in their EULA they stated they were able to take your client data and use it as they saw fit including selling your client information or reaching out to your clients for their own purposes.

  • @GavinBollard
    @GavinBollard Год назад +2

    Thanks for this. I'd never heard of you before the Filmora saga. Congratulations on winning. I'm fairly certain that at some point in the future, Wondershare will bring out a different video product that is essentially filmora but isn't - and that will be bound to an entirely different set of licensing. I actually love the Filmora software (more than the other video editors I've used) but I stopped using it in certain circumstances because there were a few unsettling things in their terms (yes I did read them as I installed). For that reason, I never ugraded even though I had the lifetime license.
    Great and enlightening discussion. Thanks. Also, one more thing regarding piracy.. in fact, probably my biggest point about software piracy. It's hard enough to feel safe with software coming from certain countries. If you've got execution rights on someone's PC, you can often do things other that what your software is programmed for. It's another thing entirely to obtain software from a "known to be dangerous" place, such as a pirate site. Doing this exposes your computer and data to all kinds of malware. It's not worth it.

  • @MaiElizabeth
    @MaiElizabeth Год назад +4

    I’m staying away from any Wondershare products.

  • @williampetersen1750
    @williampetersen1750 5 месяцев назад +2

    I use Filmora and stumbled across your video, which helped me a lot figure out how to do things that I knew it could do but couldn't find in the menus in the software. Thank you very much for your efforts. It is really helpful. Do you still use the software?
    I also think you are very very well spoken and I really respect how you handled the entire situation. I have subscribed and look forward to your future content. I also plan on watching more of your older content since I understand that this Filmora incident was 11 months ago. Thanks for your content and your voice.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  5 месяцев назад

      I switched from Filmora to DaVinci Resolve after this situation.
      I still think everyone should use the software that works for them. Not what I might happen to be using.
      That being said.... DR is pretty awesome 😁

  • @ianollerenshaw5249
    @ianollerenshaw5249 Год назад +1

    Fantastic video Daniel,
    And I actually thank Wondershare as without this issue I may not have found your channel when I did 👍
    I had just had a refund off wondershare for a multi platform version of filmora that they couldn't get working on my android.
    I'm now a happy Davinci resolve user and have your great channel to watch .... So win win 😀👍

  • @JayfkProductions876
    @JayfkProductions876 Год назад +1

    Great conversation

  • @roshan4995
    @roshan4995 Год назад +1

    Thanks man for everything. I have filmore lifetime now. I just do basic editing and I was happy with it… now I can upgrade for life. Thanks to you ❤

  • @Crazykid949
    @Crazykid949 Год назад +22

    WOW Daniel, you found one! A unicorn!
    This is the only lawyer that gets asked a question and only gives one answer to it.
    This was very insightful and interesting to find out what can be done in regards to large companies when they mess around with their agreements to their customers. This could and would apply to a wide variety of companies with a variety of different products or services.
    I'm glad he mentioned how difficult it is to file a class action law suit, and that it takes a long time to get through the process, because otherwise, you know the sue-happy society that we live in today will try to get a million bucks out of any company they stub their toe on.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +2

      100%

    • @JBManos-gg2zm
      @JBManos-gg2zm Год назад +1

      Actually… there have been several attorneys comment on these videos. Even an IP attorney specializing in licensing.

    • @yoursocialmedialawyer
      @yoursocialmedialawyer Год назад +1

      Thank you CrazyKid

  • @metalrockgaming
    @metalrockgaming Год назад +1

    Nice info well said.

  • @graspavenue9163
    @graspavenue9163 Год назад +2

    Thank you Daniel, You are the best!

  • @paul-br2fs
    @paul-br2fs Год назад +1

    i have always considered a lifetime guarantee and lifetime licences unless that time is defined clearly , as being 25 years in the uk its often seen as its considered a generational period of time you can restrict down in time by defining it but not below what's defined by law in the country your selling to but forcing compliance can be difficult

  • @gblargg
    @gblargg Год назад +1

    18:52 This approach is what Wyze did. They sold home cameras with free 14-day cloud storage but it turned into a big cost years later. They offered loyal customers to continue this or choose how much to pay per month for the service. This means that people who did choose to pay wouldn't be angry about it, and people who wanted the free service as offered could get it.

  • @SodaPartyNetwork
    @SodaPartyNetwork Год назад +8

    You're Rock Star status, man! You seem like a very approachable guy at the same time you don't seem like a person who's easily intimidated. Respect, bro. Loving your videos!

  • @ckong3309
    @ckong3309 Год назад +1

    Thanks for this discussion Daniel and Ian. Very informative. Filmora is the gift that keeps on giving.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      I think this story has reached its conclusion, barring any crazy unforeseen occurrences

    • @yoursocialmedialawyer
      @yoursocialmedialawyer Год назад +1

      Thank you Charles

  • @danman32
    @danman32 Год назад +2

    I agree that in general a lifetime license can't be sustained by a company long term.
    But here are a few considerations where the overall revenue impact might be less significant than bad feelings on not honoring it as it was understood:
    How many lifetime license holders are there compared to recurring revenue (subscriptions & periodic perpetual license upgrades)? If small, is the backlash worth the revenue loss?
    What is the percentage of that product's use vs all products the company sells? If say only 5% of that product vs all of their other products, again, worth the repercussions of the fight?
    I'm sure Filmora is Wondershare's main product, but I tend to doubt the lifetime license holder base was large enough of a share to justify Wondershare's action, especially when they already phased out lifetime purchases for some time already, thus diluting the lifetime holder impact compared to total volume of license holders.
    They picked the wrong battle and nearly lost the war doing son

  • @adlantian6334
    @adlantian6334 Год назад +1

    Great vid! I would like to add that when most people think free speech they first think of the first amendment. However, the constitution only prohibits government censorship, not private censorship. This is why consumer advocacy and enacting legislative guardrails on the power of giant corporations to squash free speech is so important.

  • @jls9225
    @jls9225 Год назад +1

    Thank you for these videos, I too own a lifetime license and I didn't know that they did this. Keep up the excellent work. As Always, Be Smart and Stay Safe.

  • @dronesdehonduras
    @dronesdehonduras Год назад +5

    Muy de acuerdo con todos los comentarios y con la revisión honesta de esta situación con FILMORA. *Gracias a los dos.*
    Por mi parte, estoy contento, porque todo termino con un buen desenlace para muchos de nosotros,
    *Gracias también a Filmora por honrar nuestras licencias de por vida.*
    Strongly agree with all the comments and honest review of this situation with FILMORA. *Thank you both.*
    For my part, I am happy, because everything ended with a good outcome for many of us,
    *Thanks also to Filmora for honoring our lifetime licenses.*

  • @SodaPartyNetwork
    @SodaPartyNetwork Год назад +1

    You're guest, Ian is awesome! Thanks for sharing and for the valuable information. Cheers

  • @DeeNimmin
    @DeeNimmin Год назад +1

    Great conversations, fellas!

  • @M9Vendetta
    @M9Vendetta Год назад +2

    Awesome video brother! 🎉

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      Huge thanks to Ian for his time & knowledge ❤️

  • @PhongLe-dl9ox
    @PhongLe-dl9ox Год назад +1

    After this saga, what would you recommend as a go-to video editing software/app for new video content creator? I like Filmora's effects for online video-editing, but wonder if there is any alternative. Thanks.

  • @DimiHard
    @DimiHard Год назад +2

    Interesting talk. I'll have to start reading the TOS of the programs I use and pay for.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      Welp, their goes our afternoon, Dimi. Better get my reading glasses

  • @jessiejanson1528
    @jessiejanson1528 Год назад +2

    One thing i would have liked to see addressed in this video is what his opinion was on whether or not filmoras reaction was based on fear of a lawsuit and whether they likely would have lost in court regarding the EULA via misleading and not making clear to consumers what would happen. Regardless of the legality of the uela change itself, the fact a court would agree that filmora had a duty to inform its customers that 'if you update, you wont be getting free updates anymore'.
    Personally, i think filmora knew they were screwed and rather then waste money on a lawsuit they cant win when they are short on cash, they just begrudgingly did the right thing.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      Hard to say as that would be complete supposition.
      I know people would have liked more drama than I offered here but I really wanted to provide some objective legal analysis based on the questions I got in the comments section

  • @keithward2521
    @keithward2521 Год назад +1

    Thank you from the creative family.

  • @genealley9794
    @genealley9794 Год назад +8

    Thank you Daniel! Because of you alerting us to Filmora's little scam, I received all my money back because I had forgotten, that I bought a Lifetime license in 2017! They were very compliant and gave me no hassle for the refund. You da man!

  • @BRockSurvival
    @BRockSurvival Год назад +2

    This was awesome 🔥

  • @jewishautisticnerd3874
    @jewishautisticnerd3874 Год назад +1

    I got an ad for a wondershare product at the 26 minute ad break 😂

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      Ha! Not the best product placement...?

  • @proceduralnodes3d
    @proceduralnodes3d Год назад +1

    Excellent video!!

  • @vytekas
    @vytekas Год назад +1

    Hi Daniel... I need litle advice. Which video card for video editing you recomend ?!!! not expensive under 300eu. Thank you.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      Whew... tricky. That's a tight budget. I guess for that price point I'd be looking at an Nvidia Rtx 3050. But you might want to suss out a used Rtx 3060. There's a fairly significant performance boost from the 3050 to the 3060 and you can usually find them used for under $300.

    • @vytekas
      @vytekas Год назад

      @@Daniel_Batal i hawe gtx970 and i want bay 3060ti how do you think my filmora 11 go faster if i changing to new video card… when i working weath 4k my pc start laging… i hope it helps mee if i chang video card. Thank you for answer. Good day to you

  • @GoodkatNW
    @GoodkatNW Год назад

    Did anyone else receive a notice that they were signed up for automatic renewal of the "free" addons pack? I had already purchased the new version on a company account, and didn't want to go through the hassle of a reimbursement. So, I let it go and received my 1 year of free effects. A couple days later, I received another vague email stating that this would auto renew in 1 year, with my card on file. How many people do you think will forget about this, and Wondershare will rake in a ton of unintentional renewals in 12mo?

  • @RealRickCox
    @RealRickCox Год назад

    I'm really glad you and other creators brought this problem to light and held Wondershare's feet to the fire. I don't think you could have gotten a better result with a lawsuit.

  • @kiltsandcomputers
    @kiltsandcomputers Год назад +1

    I absolutely read the EULA (and all the subsequent updates) for any paid software or place that I would create, store, or provide content. I'm the son of an attorney and I learned early on that contracts matter and we can, and should, have a voice in those contracts. In the event that they (the provider) make a change that we're unhappy with, we should be providing feedback, or vote with our dollars by moving to something else.

  • @mrjeff2396
    @mrjeff2396 Год назад +1

    Good consumer advocate points were brought out in this conversation!

  • @grandetaco4416
    @grandetaco4416 Год назад +1

    16:25 This is a great point here, too many software companies keep changing the rules on us everyday. This kind of back lash will let ANY company know we are frustrated with this changing of the rules. I've lived too long to watch companies eventually go back on their word and change the rules.
    17:35 On your point here, I purchased this software because it's not adobe and not subscriptions. I think wondershare's plan all along was subscription models, especially since this was already the case with special effects, music, fonts and stock footage. When I saw subscriptions based on extras I knew it would not be long before wondershare would be charging me again for the main product.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +2

      I think there were warning signs along the way. Remember FilmoraPRO?

  • @ottomanbeatsofficial
    @ottomanbeatsofficial Год назад +3

    all they had to do was " older customers will keep their life time licenses, the new customers would have to abide to the new ruiles" simple as that.

  • @QuicknStraight
    @QuicknStraight Год назад +5

    Even if you read the EULA, and don't like some of the terms and conditions, there is often little opportunity to challenge them! If you want to use the software, you basically have to agree to their terms and conditions because they're "one size fits all" and they won't negotiate with each individual.
    The piracy point is interesting, from a legal standpoint. Filmora hide behind the Chinese courts with regard to licensing issues, so would they then try and take legal action against a pirate using the US legal system?

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      I guess it depends. They tend to have strength in their side

  • @Reapergrim-kv2ps
    @Reapergrim-kv2ps Год назад +1

    Another great video very interesting, I'm not a filmmora user but after watching this video I will be paying more attention to the main software I use to create content with and not just tick the box for the most part anyway. 🙂

  •  Год назад +2

    Good job, lads.

  • @Krushak8888
    @Krushak8888 Год назад +1

    So is there an update? I used filmora back a few years ago their year subscription but is the lifetime license still an issue?

    • @Tilten
      @Tilten 9 месяцев назад

      Yes. I bought an "Individual lifetime plan" 2020 and I now have to pay to use the latest version.

  • @DomAZ
    @DomAZ Год назад +1

    Thanks for this video, it was a nice conversation and very interesting.

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 Год назад +2

    Fun note... Davinci Resolve now available on ipad, this is the free version and probably missing a lot of tools. Hope they make an android version.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      I’ve played around with it. My iPad Pro isn’t an M1 and that’s really what it’s optimized for.
      It’s basically the Media Page and the Color Page.
      Pretty cool, though

  • @garydesmond1253
    @garydesmond1253 Год назад +3

    Great video, Daniel! I've watched Ian explain Fair Use and he is great at explaining the complex in easy to understand way.

  • @walcodebruyn2135
    @walcodebruyn2135 Год назад +6

    Ooh this is gonna be good.

  • @Maninawig
    @Maninawig Год назад +2

    I remember once going through the terms and condition of, I believe it was a Steam game... There was wording in there that suggested how having content files stored on your computer could be subject to legal action... So I called them... apperantly, they ysed a generic T&C and never read the thing themselves.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      There's so much legal jargon that's usually there for nuclear options that it's impossible to know what might be enforced in what manner at some point

    • @Maninawig
      @Maninawig Год назад

      @Daniel Batal that is why I asked, referenced, then clarified. They expressed directly that they admit it does sound like installing the game would be illegal, but "the section you are referring to is an artifact from the general terms and conditions we used and most likely refers to features not found in our game. It will not impede your ability to play or enjoy the game."
      Gotta love cut-and-paste contracts.

  • @macintoshelectronics2240
    @macintoshelectronics2240 Год назад +1

    Hi Daniel, Nice video. Hopefully, they understand customer are king. Without that, they don't have business, I myself own 4 different product licences of their software
    I would consider me stop purchasing any more software from them
    I enjoy using filmora, because watching your video how you demonstrated to use it, thank you.. its a shame you're not doing any more videos on filmora
    Peace ✌️

  • @billytk1225
    @billytk1225 Год назад +2

    Sheesh, if we all read every single EULA for software and OS's we use, there would be no time to actually use the software.

  • @hasan7786
    @hasan7786 Год назад +1

    I know abslutely nothing about Filmora or you but I've watched every video following this saga tonight. This is better than Judge Judy:) Kudos to you for standing your ground and spreading awareness. A software I use "Bitwig" tried to pull something similar a few months ago with their licenses. Wont go into the details but they buckled under pressure and walked everything back. Groups of customers are powerful especially when revenue is involved.

  • @LouRao
    @LouRao Год назад +1

    My answer for ANY companies not to resolve issues that may affect personal injuries with the consumers is to stop supporting them, don’t buy their products. I didn’t have or experience a Filmora license agreement, it was the over pricing to add the extra packages to use with the editing software. So, I stop using them. And I sponsor others not to use them. Ending the relationship with Filmora hits their bottom profit. Ending the relationship with Filmora or any companies is the best remedy.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      Well, I see your point. But I would argue that everyone's voices coming together affected change. Is the goal to shun every company that messes up? That list gets very large, very quickly. Or is the bigger goal to get companies to listen to their consumer base and hopefully sway company policies for the products we do like?

  • @mohamoudismail
    @mohamoudismail Год назад +1

    I have Filmora 9 and yet I have not update or upgrade 12 version, in your advise which one I choice it. Thank you Daniel.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      I honestly can’t say. I’m not using Filmora 12. I’m using DaVinci Resolve

  • @TopFinancialAlpha
    @TopFinancialAlpha Год назад +1

    I really like Ian. I think he's a great guy and has good advice. Great idea about having him sit in on your video Daniel for his legal expertise!

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +2

      Me too. Ian has always been a generous friend and I appreciate him sifting through these questions ❤️

    • @yoursocialmedialawyer
      @yoursocialmedialawyer Год назад +2

      Wow! That means so much Top

    • @TopFinancialAlpha
      @TopFinancialAlpha Год назад

      @@yoursocialmedialawyer Very welcome Ian, I enjoy your videos and insight. You can call me Aaron if you want (or TFA if you like that). I know, Top Financial Alpha is a mouthful.

  • @ScratchcardsWithScotty
    @ScratchcardsWithScotty Год назад +2

    Thanks guys for this cracking informative, enlightenment.
    It’s obvious Filmora wants Mora of our money 💰💷
    The company’s business model was flawed from the start. This is easily solved by us users voting 🗳 with our wallets and going elsewhere..

  • @ExarchGaming
    @ExarchGaming Год назад +4

    Legal Eagle would be a great person to get insight from, as his specialty is corporate law

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +4

      Ian and Devin are both my friends and are friends themselves.

  • @ThisBytesForYou
    @ThisBytesForYou Год назад +1

    Awesome information here, and much respect to Ian and also a little because he watches Family Guy but this is a great video, thank you Daniel and Ian.

  • @calebmccool
    @calebmccool Год назад +2

    From what I've heard, the Anchor podcast and Epidemic Sound platforms also have rather shady reputations. Breakup of trust between company & customer can only lead to a crash-and-burn business. I'm a lifetime license holder, but I will always have a mark against Filmora

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      I use Epidemic Sound. I like their product. Not sure about Anchor

  • @Mr-Sensible
    @Mr-Sensible Год назад +1

    So they backed down. I am a lifetime licence holder from filmora 9. I am currently on 11. I want to upgrade to 12 but have they fixed this now so that I can without charge? The upgrade prompt still has the original red warning of possible fees - I just want to know if this still applies or is just the old warning they haven't removed.
    Cheers

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад +1

      Seems to be solved and they made good on their word

    • @Mr-Sensible
      @Mr-Sensible Год назад

      @@Daniel_Batal thanks pal. I'm just nervous of doing the upgrade and finding it isnt resolved even if they have agreed!

  • @thatdiyguyraymondmonk1225
    @thatdiyguyraymondmonk1225 Год назад +1

    In my opinion every Eula should be offered before payment is accepted on the web page. Not after you purchased it and are installing the software…

  • @thatdiyguyraymondmonk1225
    @thatdiyguyraymondmonk1225 Год назад

    I hate the subscription software model. I liked it best when you bought the software and it was yours to use even when updates only applied to that particular version. But if you wanted the latest and greatest, you had to buy it again. I had no issues with that model. I actually have a quite old laptop I keep just for an emergency backup that is running tho old Adobe software. (By today’s standards it is not really what you would want) but it still works.) and for some people it is enough. But the subscription plan where you are working on a project today and it is time to pay again but you changed your credit card, now stops working mid project until you update your payment information sucks. I would never lease (long term rent) a car either…..

  • @classicbarberacademy
    @classicbarberacademy Год назад +1

    Brother you have been doing a fantastic job creating all these content that have wide range of issues especially on the issue of Filmora lifetime license though it's got resolved, but brother am still a beginner / ok level stage when it comes to editing, though at the moment I am using a free editing software (capcut) so how do you manage to pull that zooming transition you frequently used in your video, can I manage to pull that type of zooming transition using capcut.

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      You totally can. That’s all about technique over tool. CapCut has a zoom feature. Just learn it then apply it.-> ruclips.net/video/wZE9gnnd91A/видео.html

  • @rdailey4
    @rdailey4 Год назад +1

    Are lifetime users currently upgrading to ver 12? I originally read that it might take them 2 weeks to update their computers and I read the other day where one user said he upgraded and then got charged. Is it OK now for me to upgrade from 11 to 12?

    • @Daniel_Batal
      @Daniel_Batal  Год назад

      Yes, as far as I know.
      You'd have to confirm with the company itself.