Well, I have been gifted this HOTAS by a friend (who has acquired a Thrustmaster T1600 M) and I'm gonna use it to learn how to set key binds in Elite Dangerous. Your review is very helpful in setting my expectations for this HOTAS realistically. When I can afford it myself, will (of course) move to a better alternative in time. Thank you, Respectfully Yours, R
The closet Hotas in price to the X52 is the Thrustmaster T16000 Hotas for around 180-256 on amazon(more leading to the higher price due to demand and shipping issues). I would love to get a vkb gladiator nxt but it is only a stick and with it's shipping cost with tax to my area would make it cost around 280usd which is close in price to a full kit thrustmaster T16000(stick, throttle, and paddles if in stock) or a Logitech G x56. I wish there was more mid range hotas set ups in the 100-200 range as this is dominated by Logitech and Thrustmaster with 2-3 options and all other companies I see that make Hotas in this range are from unknown companies, bad reviews, and due to their product shipping would add around 80usd to them and thats a big no go for me. Nice vid
Thank you for this, its the best review on joysticks ive found so far. This is exactly why i gave up using fixed beams and railguns in elite dangerous!!
They actually use 16-bit hall sensors in x52. It's just they also use some convoluted double magnet design for some reason. Which in it's turn makes this stick as it is - non linear and janky. But you can actually fix that in like an hour with a couple of small flathead screws and a drop of superglue. Also time to release some x62 or even x72 is waaaay past due. Change that stupid mouse knob for an analog ministick, chage gimbal for a pincer design, some reimagining of grip wouldn't be unwanted also. Maybe recent revigoration of this market will make them move their asses.
@@FalconsLedge what would you suggest for that price point? I really need a lot of buttons and a throttle for something like Star Citizen or Elite. I was looking at the cheaper thrustmaster but there's just like no buttons on that thing
@@captainfach two Winwing Ursa minors, nothing beats them in that price range, and you will not find more buttons for the money either. I have a review for them on my channel
I dusted off my 15 year old X-52 last week to get back into DCS, and amazingly it still works perfectly. I really want a new setup, but its hard to be FREE on the shelf! I really miss the old Force Feedback sticks, but I just make due with a seat transducer these days.
There are new Force feedback sticks that make the old ones look like toys. Also basically every stick on the market has that kind of longevity. It's not really a feature, more of a standard.
@@FalconsLedge You get to a point where your simulation is so detailed, you may as well build the plane....I don't think spending $2500 on a fake joystick and throttle are realistic for most people. Especially when FF sticks used to be everywhere
A simply thing you can do to improve the response of the joystick is to link 4x cable ties together into a loop, place it under the spring and close up the loop till its sits snug & even under the spring.
@@FalconsLedge i mean even if they just kept the same design to save on retooling and just swapped out the internals with better newer stuff i have both an x52 and x 52 pro and what they desperately need is like a redesign of all the parts that peak so the safety latch on the stick needs a better spring the thumb Mouse needs to not be defective the cable linking to to should be something harder to damage that a ps/2 i mean seriously do they even make cable for those any more lol replace it with idk vga, dvi something thats screws in or something that pulls out easily usb etc make it something that wont come out or somthing that will come out without bending pins or the socket fix the damn spring its a 20 year old flaw replace it with a better more adjustable system ...make it modular make it so i can unscrew the right hand flight stick from its base and screw on a left hand one or a flight yoke or a extender for a floor mounted stick like if they just did it right they could keep on selling it for another 20 years but at this point its like asking something to buy a used 2000 corolla for the price of a new one is just silly
@@firefox5926 the reason you aren't getting a new version is that Logitech doesn't give a flying crap about combat Sims. Not even a single solitary crap. They are just manufacturing seriously outdated IP that they acquired a decade ago and they have zero interest in updating it or innovating in any way. Don't spend your money on dead ecosystems. Buy from companies that do care about the niche you love. VKB, winwing and Virpil. VKB gladiator NXTs are WORLDS better than the x52 or x56, and they aren't much more.
@@FalconsLedge oh i know they dont but im just brain storming what i would do if i could remake it ... be real nice if we could get a bunch of good ideas toghter and then find someone with a 3d printer and one of those places that makes cheap custom pcb's
@@firefox5926 in not a fan of their ergonomics, so I'd be replacing the gimbal (because it's bad) and the grip, because it's bad, and I might as well build a whole stick and just throw the x52 away
Awesome and concise review! A very long time ago I had a Saitek joystick with the same gimbal solution (the spring + plastic ring) and it was so sloppy I got another joystick which had a different gimbal. I'm sad that they still hang into that damn spring.
thumb up for this review. I still have my X52 Pro Hotas and I had the same issue with the moving axis and had to unplug and replug the stick to deal with it.
@@garyreed315 This problem happens due to really poor quality hall sensors being used. I tried what people call the "Magnet mod" but it did not help the problem at all, in fact some aspects of how the sensors operated were worse.
@@FalconsLedge Thank you for responding so quickly. I am building my system and trying to figure out how to put it all together. I guess I could just get the Virpil controls but they're pricey! Thanks again for your help.
I've gone through a lot of Saitek products in my life. Had the X36, which had its rudder axis acting up once the warranty expired. Then I got the X52 which had its pinky switch stuck once the warranty expired. Then I got the X65 which had frayed wires in the throttle once the warranty expired. Then I got the Thrustmaster Warthog. Never buying Shite-tek again!
i purchased a used x52 yesterday only because after not playing any simulators for over 30 years thought I would give it a try .Considering i was lucky enough to get it for $50 Aud , i am verry happy with it so far and if I continue to play might at some point upgrade. So my opinion would be , if your just starting out get a used one just to try, no point spending over $200 Aud only to find out you dont have the time/patients .
@@FalconsLedge so the x52 throttle will work with the gladiator? I just started looking in to these controllers and the software part makes my head hurt. If I bought these 2 parts, how would I configure these, in game or using thier own software?
@@Ryan-re1rs they each use their own software, and can also just be configured in game. They are both just usb devices, so nothing keeping you from using them together. I'm currently using an x52 throttle with my gunfighter and gladiator combo
Few years ago, I've used to own Saitek X52 and for me it was a great hotas. Today it's also a good option, but IMO only as a used one. As for the your issues with the sensors. It's actually quite known issue with this stick. But it can be easyli fixed. Just stick extra magnets to the ones already in the base and all deadzone dissapears and the stick becomes very accurate.
The issue is not fixed by magnets. I have tried the mod, it does not fix the accuracy problems, in fact in many respects it makes them worse. It gives the feeling of it being more accurate, but in reality its not. I don't think there is any way I'd recommend this stick over others available at the same price point. it is 20 year old tech still being sold as new today. Fruthermore Logitech doesn't care about flight sim hardware, don't buy from a company who doesn't give a flying crap about the segment you are buying from. I get that you had it and didn't have problems with it. This does not make it a good product. A good product is defined when it out competes its competition. In this case it just doesn't. I would much rather have a Gladiator NXT stick only than this HOTAS. The NXT is orders of magnitude better than this thing.
@@FalconsLedge I did fixed it in my case. And I agree with you. Today there is no way, I'd buy one instead of Gladiator. But as a cheap used option, it's not that bad.
@@BartAnt84 I don't really explore the used market on this channel, as it is not consistent, as an example at one time only a year ago used Warthogs (another stick I don't recommend anymore) were selling for more than MSRP. As a used item I 'd recommend the T16k before the X52. Better sensors.
it bothers me that all the HOTAS out there in this price range (which is still considerable compared to just a joystick) have such serious manufacturing flaws. If I'm going to pay $200 for a controller, I expect it to be high quality.
@@FalconsLedge Yeah... I'm seriously considering that one. Maybe even without a throttle to start with. I just bought IL-2 and want to play it in VR, so I'm going to want to make sure all the necessary controls are on the stick rather than the keyboard.
No offense, just to be fair I personally think that you can't compare your 13 year old (I guess often used) stick with a newer one. Because that just makes it look bad. If you said that it was like this from the day you got it (wich I don't think it was), it would've been OK, but a 13+ year old stick has obviously lost performance over time and isn't as good as any newer one. The video is still pretty well done and was nice to watch. Keep it up!
You can re-adjust the height of the wrist-rest by unscrewing the nob in the back and raising/lowering the wrist rest for a more comfortable experience. This can fix a lot of the problems listed in this video. Otherwise, the stick works well for beginners.
@@FalconsLedge Whoa! Slow down, the VKB has like 32 additional add-ons! Good option though. Too bad the price is inflated and it's hard to find! Thanks for the advice!
@@mr.yonosenada VKB gladiator NXT is in the same price segment as the x52, but it's about 10x better. I will be posting ac review of the GNX today or tomorrow.
@@FalconsLedge do you have review about t16000m? in Ukraine I can't get VKB nxt, what I think is so good device. I hate deadzones in a stick and searching really nice controller to simulators ww2
I bought my x52 couple weeks ago, so it's pretty new. First thing I noticed watching this is that mine doesn't have "Flight Control System" written on the stick. And a fun fact, the momentary switches on the stick don't work properly, from the moment I unboxed it. The 3rd one from the left is (T5 to be precise), doesn't click to the up side unless I switch it from the furthest left point. And the HOTAS has incredibly cheap feeling. Even though it's my first ever HOTAS, the first moment I get my hands on it, I thought "huh, this is piece of crap". But it gets the job done. At least for now. Ah, and the ting happens at 7:35, also happens to me (from the first day I started using it), whenever I play "intensely" for a period of time. But mine happens to Y axis.
I think the flight control system is from saitek, which is who produced mine. The new ones are produced by Logitech. Sorry to hear about the one you got, quality seems hit and miss from Logitech.
I just got a thrustmaster tca airbus package and it’s my first stick and throttle and I’m truly impressed. In this price range I would prob choose thrustmaster. Logitech tends to feel more cheap even though more functions typically. My stick was designed to be as realistic as possible matching the actual airbus
@@billygames7107 really depends on how much you are spending. For a single stick less than $150, you just can't beat the gladiator NXT. If you can get the TM TCA for less than $100 I'd say that's pretty decent, or of you primarily fly commercial flight sims over combat sims. Once you get to warthog range, unless you can get the WH for 350 or so, I'd say go for Virpil winwing or VKB, they are all higher quality by volumes than thrustmaster.
@@FalconsLedge I got the tca with the throttle pack for 150$ I’m pretty happy about it. The dang throttle is sometimes 150$ alone. You are right about everything you said though..✌🏼
Back in 2015 when my Saitek ST200 USB bought with Freespace died I did consider it but at the times I wasn't sold on HOTAS (I tended to play old-ass games that often don't even support throttles and almost never twist) and all the cons I heard about scared me off, so I went with a CH Products Combatstick which was probably the most low-maintenance stick I could afford back then, I'm only thinking of changing it because Windows 10 broke the software that did calibration and input filtering and CH Products is not bothering with their gaming lineup anymore even though they are still making them. And yes, the design was a red flag for me too. You could kind of tell they tried to make it look "impressive" to compensate the overall cheapness of the set and if my memories of the review in 2015 served me right it stil worked back then with many reviewers praising the sapacey-wacey looks. I didn't know the trigger was dual stage though, or at least I don't remember anyone else mentioning it in their reviews.
@@FalconsLedge I think I saw a knock-off x52 throttle during the mid 2010s while ggogling sticks back then, I'm not sure but IIRC VKB made it but I can't swear on it.
@@det.bullock4461 VKB does not offer throttles, but they are coming out with one in a couple months here, but it's nothing like the x52 throttle. There are a bunch of throttles and some sticks that either stole the design or licensed the design from saitek.
@@FalconsLedge It was back when they still made the Cobra Defender, I don't have very clear memories of that time. I just remember what was visibly a knock-off x-52 throttle being associated with them, I don't remember if it was them or just some forum threads of people that used said throttle with their VKB stick.
@@FalconsLedge nothing works as the 2 are joined together and the throttle receives the power via USB. I looked for the Gladiator NXT and couldn't find it but I'll look again. I may have searched wrong. And I couldn't find that throttle you recommended either. thinking of just getting the T16000M.
@@FalconsLedge ok. lol just checked and they want nearly $60 just for shipping. :-( Guess I've been spoiled with Amazon free shipping too long, huh. The Thrustmaster TWCS used to stick a little from what I've been hearing. Is that still an issue?
@@coina-dig-tion6322 yup it's an unfortunate reality, but it is well worth it. It is volumes better than the T16000 stick and worlds better than the x52
@@Top_pan if you've never experienced better you won't know it's bad. Once you try something better you'll see just how horrible they are. Just buy a Winwing Ursa Minor stick and use it with the x52 throttle and it will be considerably improved.
The nub was useful to me to slew around the Radar and Maverick Curser in BMS. Until it started to fail. And if I am not mistaken it was mappable. But I cannot remember since it is more than 10 years ago. But I am 99% sure it was. The Thrustmaster T16000 has not enough POV's and no 1st and 2nd detent trigger which is needed in Falcon BMS or even in DCS in certain models. So for all other games it might be the better option. But Falcon BMS and DCS needs a proper HOTAS with many Rotaries and POV's. Unfortunately. And the budget is a thing when comparing a 120 USD (used) X52 to a way over 300-400 USD HOTAS that gives the same functionality. I don't even know why I am watching this 😅 since I know this HOTAS so very well hahaha. Mine lasted many years with many play hours a day. I was so addicted to Falcon and DCS.
I’m here because Best Buy refunded my money for the turtle beach velocity one for the Xbox X series man I’m heartbroken doctor says I’ll be all right though appreciate the concern Fellas😂
@@FalconsLedge No worries Best Buy sent me a $10 gift card so it was all worth it I really didn’t want the flight stick I just wanted to gift card so I’m all better now😂😂😂😂
The pro has a dual spring gimbal, some additional metal bits and two of the very low quality Hall sensors instead of one. On the plus side some of the metal bits are some of the high wear items. If you are willing to spend x52 pro money, why on earth wouldn't you buy a Gladiator NXT and TWCS throttle? The stick is 100% better than anything Logitech has to offer.
I highly recommend to avoid Logitech and Thrustmaster. These companies haven't innovated or created new combat sticks in a decade. These are dead ecosystems. Give your money to companies that actually give a crap about our industry! (VKB, Virpil, Winwing)
@@FalconsLedge I got a pair of Gladiators (one in omni) coming in the mail. Can't wait! It was a bit more that what I was willing to spend at first, but whatever. Seemingly everyone who owns them swears by them. Peace of mind and all that.
Wait, you complain that it feels like it has a dead zone in SC, and then set a dead zone in DCS and complain that it's not sensitive enough? I'm not understanding. You're also comparing a $150 retail hotas with 15+ years of wear on it to one that's $400 minimum with much less wear.
In wasn't saying they were the same, just saying that the difference was staggering. The sad part is that Warthogs aren't great compared to its competition. The stick didn't perform any better new fyi Also I altered the deadzones numerous times. You assume I never tried anything, but I did. The x52 isn't a good stick. It may have been when it had no competition a decade ago, but not today.
Lol, I do remember what it was like in 2004. The X52 is not a good stick. I'd rather have one gladiator NXT than the pair of sticks from the x52 any day. Furthermore, Logitech doesn't give a crap about flight sim hardware. They aren't innovating or coming up with new hardware. They are just riding IP they purchased years ago. Don't give money to companies that don't care about their product. Same goes for ThrustMaster, they haven't produced a decent product since 2011 with the Warthog. The Warthog doesn't stand up to it's opposition today either. My main issues with the X52 are: bad ergonomics on the stick, low quality sensors, and overall low quality. These things don't change over time. Have a nice day.
Thanks for a great review. What’s the music playing in the background, btw? Reminds me of Star Citizen, but I haven’t fired that one up since the first hangar release lol. I was actually pretty close to buying the X52 a couple weeks ago due to a good deal, but decided to go for the VKB Gladiator NXT and wait for VKB’s throttle instead. I used to use VKB’s old mass-market Cobra M5 with an Njoy controller and had to sell it when I moved, and I felt like X52 would be a step down even from that. I would love to hear more from you re your NXT impressions. Do you know if the handle can be somehow used with non-Gladiator VKB bases? My Gladiator is currently being shipped, so I’m all anticipation now as I have never used Virpil or high-end VKB sticks before.
So the GNX uses it's own gimbal, so it's not compatible with the gunfighter series for sure, but I don't know about older mid range bases from VKB. I am purchasing a gunfighter mk.III for testing, but I'll be releasing a full review of the TM warthog, then after that the GNX, and then finally the Gunfighter.
@@FalconsLedge awesome, thanks! I really look forward to those reviews! I wish I could treat the NXT as a Kosmosima grip, but oh well, it seems like a great value even with a reinforced plastic gimbal anyway. Now I’ll probably be inspired to actually go back to Star Citizen!
It worked, but no better than anywhere else. Fact if the matter: there are better sticks available (by far) for only a small amount more. I honestly wish people would stop buying these horrible outdated things so Logitech would design and release an updated better setup
Hi, I am struggling to find the softwere, the Saitek website doesn't work anymore and the Logitech download section is empty. Any link to download? I think the softwere is the same but just in case, I have the pro version. Thanks!
I paid 68 pounds for this about ten years ago. A bargain. Not planning on spending a weeks wages on a joystick. My only gripe is it's too small for my big hands. I cannot touch the pinkie switch with my pinkie
More power to those that enjoy it. And 10 years ago it was a pretty good solution. Nowadays there are significantly better solutions for a few dollars more.
I wish you the best with this stick. It would not be my recommendation. I would've went with the Gladiator NXT, eve if it was just the stick, it is so much better than this combo its almost laughable. But I get it. It really does seem like you are getting more for your money. Again best of luck!
Ill sum it up... You think an X52 is okay until you get an X56... then you realize VKB was worth the price increase and youll get that, giving the Warthog a skip cause its a glorified X56... then eventually youll want something really nice and youll get Virpil.
@@FalconsLedge VKB should be everyones entry but the X52 and X56 provide price compromise and a familiar name. Most people are too scared to go straight to something like VKB or Virpil. And if you're going to go Virpil you should go VR and if you're going to do that well, hell. You may as well put it all into a sim chair... Worth it.
So this is going to be my first one everyone else is saying it’s perfect for your first but is this true should this be my first as I move my way up to more complicated hotas setups? I am not ready to pay so much money for my first so I need to know if this is worth it
I would not purchase either of these sticks. They are seriously outdated, some of the worst accuracy on the market, terrible ergonomics, and it's a totally dead ecosystem from a company that doesn't care at all about combat Sims. If you want the best bang for your buck buy VKB Gladiator and STECS throttle. The difference is incredible for the money.
I was gonna get a new x56 for $205 on amazon but picked up a used x52 for $30, would you consider that to be good? I thought it would be nice for the money, I just needed an upgrade from the logi attack 3
I would not consider the x52 to be good, no. But I also don't think he x56 is good either. The biggest problem with logitch if that they don't give a flying crap about combat Sim hardware. What I'd suggest is to keep the x52 Throttle, is not great, but not bad either, and it sounds like you got a good deal on it. Buy a VKB Gladiator NXT EVO and use that as a stick. It will be a setup that will be very good, and significantly better than the x52 stick (the worst part about the x52)
@@FalconsLedge Thanks, Ill prob look into getting the gladiator, The only flight sim I play right now is DCS and I fly the F16, I needed more binds than are available on the attack 3, I appreciate your feedback too.
Lots of them do, most people who are either pretty casual or just simply don't have good context to compare experiences just don't notice it. It is a big part of why I created this channel.
@@legokid201 so that's where I disagree, at least in today's market. You need to compare it to what's available. The t16000m, while imperfect is a better kit for the same money as the x52. Better sensors, better gimbal. And for a little more the Gladiator NXT is 100x better than the x52 it's not even in the ballpark.
this is my first gear so i didnt think much and bought first one i saw, to figure out what i want from this gear. only thing that annoys me - i need to make holes in table, very unstable gear, they should put some iron in the base. also not all buttons are comfortable on stick.
Unfortunately the x52 just really isn't a great piece of hardware. It's recommend checking out the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO. It would be a huge upgrade for not a ton of money.
I have had an Extreme 3D Pro for 10 years now. Would the X52 be a worthy upgrade for 55-65 €? Or should I just go for a T.16000 + TWCS + TFRP for 170 €?
If you can afford it though, a much better solution and what I consider to be the best bang for your buck right now would be the Gladiator NXT paired with that same TWCS. IMO the GNX is vastly superior to the x52 and T16K for a reasonable amount more.
@@FalconsLedge Trouble is the TM devices come in a pack, which I am not able to separate. So it'd be all or nothing on TM. So defo X52 not worth it for 60 €?
@@ezanchi5422 the x52 is 20+ years old. It may be worth it, but the T16k has a much better sensor, a better gimbal, and it doesn't look like a bad 90s future joystick concept design. (It looks like an early 2k design that is still pretty ugly IMO, but better than the x52). You might like the x52, who knows, that's ultimately up to you.
I have messed around with one, and it has a bit better materials on parts, but the gimbal still has the same problems, and they use two of the same garbage sensors per axis. So it should be slightly better, but for the cost you could have a gladiator nxt and TM throttle and there is absolutely no comparison between the two. The GNX is better in every conceivable way.
The sensors are very accurate and not garbage at all, you simply don't know how to properly calibrate the stick which is why you're getting stick drift! When calibrated properly, it is super precise, needs no deadzone and does not drift. And it just works day in, day out. Which is a far cry from the reputation that POS "warthog" stick has in the flight Sim scene.
@@RizzRust the super budget segment is probably the one I know the least about, but if I were looking for a cheap throttle, the lowest is probably go is the TM TMCS
@@logoed sorry man, it's just true. I knew the x52 wasnt that great when I was using it for more than a decade, but I really had it painfully illustrated when I upgraded.
@@logoed I'm not really comparing it to sticks that are all that far outside the price range of the X52 either. Even when compared to the T16000m it isn't nearly as accurate. When compared to a stick just a bit more money than the X52, the Gladiator NXT its like a different world of better. There is no comparison.
@@FalconsLedge . Thank you. 👍 Experience and opinion, what i came for. That jerking is pretty bad.... 😬 Trying get some information. And try to play VR IL-2 for the starters...
@@alexk2418 sensor not website... Not sure why that corrected to that, sorry. Depending on your budget, that is what is going to determine what is the best bang for your money. If you are limited to x52 money, say under 200 for both throttle and stick, the t16000m kit would satisfy you. If you can go to 250, then you will not beat the vkb Gladiator NXT with the thrustmaster TWCS throttle to pair it with. If you only do warbirds and you want a bit higher end solution you could stick with the TWCS throttle and go for the vkb gunfighter mk.iii warbird edition. The big plus here is that you can buy other grips like the kosmosima if you decide to fly more modern aircraft
@@FalconsLedge . After your review, I will definitely go for that gladiator. In my opinion, 150€(pro190€ on that side of the globe) too match many for that behavior (X52 jerking). Hall sensor stuff almost pointless... Over 15 years ago. Played IL-2 with crappy joystick. That mistake, i don't do again. 1600 I don't like, and it cost about 150€
@@FalconsLedge . I don't understand that Logitech politics. For example. Wireless keyboard for over 200€ and can't map keys. Otherwise awesome keyboard. That x 52..... 🤦🏻♂️
This is the worst solution to go with. The worst, they are awful, inaccurate, low quality, unergonomic, and even worse it's giving money to a company that doesn't care about your hobby.
I'm sorry they are so hard to get in some places. I've never had a problem getting them in the US. My recommendation would be to look at saving a tad more and going with Winwing if you can't get a VKB that is more in your price range. If you can't afford both the throttle and stick, I'd MUCH rather have a single stick that is actually a quality piece than the absolute garbage that is logitech flight hardware.
@@FalconsLedge winwing is basically 650 after shipping and EU taxes, and i also need to add a rudder pedal which raise the cost even more, seems that theres not a "casual" solution, its either complete crap or too expensive
@@sharkpyro93 unfortunately you aren't really wrong. There is turtle Beach that has a stick that is a bit better than the Logitech sticks. But the VKB NXT is still better. If I was not able to afford anything above entry level I'd go with a Gladiator NXT. Save up a bit and choose a throttle. TWCS if the others are too much. I don't recommend the Logitech stuff for anyone. I just finished my test of the X56, and while id say it may be a step up from the x52, sadly that isn't saying much. I'd rather have one gladiator NXT and no throttle than have the x52 or x56. I'd take one NXT all day over a Logitech hotas.
@@FalconsLedge agree but its out of stock for too long, and it seems that is impossible to pre-order for the next batch, availability is something to consider, what am i supposed to do now?
Looks like an Uber low end licensed copy of the x52. I don't recommend the x52, let alone Uber low end copies of it, but here's the thing: If your budgetary limitations are such that the pxn 2119pro is what you can get. It can't be worse than no hotas right? Personally I'd save up a bit more and get a T16000, it's a bit higher quality and has a far better sensor.
@@FalconsLedge it uses pots, I’ve been using it and it kinda sucks. It’s not bad but for any micro movements it is almost useless. For air to air refueling I have a totally different joystick curve that I switch to.
@@FalconsLedge Yeah, I have known mine is bad, the problem I have now is my stick has been around for about 7-10 years and is breaking down. I may end up just using it only for dcs f14 rio.
When you let go of the stick and it drifts you might say it adds a sense of more realism to the flight. After all in real life unless autopilot is active letting go of the stick you dont still fly a straight line
@@FalconsLedgeright the stick might center and a real one would show movement if you let it go. But still in real life letting go of a stick the craft would lose control with no auto pilot engaged and no hands on the stick. LOL
@@FalconsLedgeHonestly i have no preference on game sticks and I realize the fault you were mentioning this has. My point was simply if one wanted to they could imagine the fault added to the realism. Sorry if that was not clear
No way in hell am I using that disgustingly cheep looking T16000M or the expensive and weird looking VKB Gladiator. I'd rather get this even with all the downsides but with better quality, looks and more buttons.
so, today i disassembled my hotas x52. this is not spider web. this is glue-style sh*t!!!! WORST ASSEMBLY I EVER SEEN (i disassembled a lot of keyboards/mouses)! WORST! it started making creaking plastic sound in A WEEK! WTF LOGITECH (SAITEC)????? so i used silicone lubricant did you know that throttle IS supposed to have haptic feedback at 100 and 0? I DIDNT! UNTIL I LUBRICATED IT! i mad at this gear p.s. sorry for my bad english also cant get pinky button to work
Pinky button must be configured in their software it is a "clutch" button by default. Also mine did have a spider living in it, but yeah glue was terrible. I went VKB and have never looked back
The t1600m is an absolute piece of trash by comparison, you're quite deluded in this review. If you knew how to properly calibrate your stick, you would get super precision and no axis drift, and with Teflon spray on the plastic ring at the base of the gimbal, you'd have a super smooth motion. I don't disagree the VKB is a step up in some ways, although the warthog has way too many problems of its own. But the x52 is a popular stick for a reason - it's very precise when calibrated properly.
@@FalconsLedge HI mate do you know if the hotas work on War thunder on ps4, I can't find too much proof that it work. Some people say yes some people say no... 😭
More power to you then, but what I have is context. I've used this and many other sticks, and that's why I know that the x52 does not measure up to it's competition.
Maybe if you bothered to keep your area and the hardware clean, you'd have been less prone to accruing faults in the control systems. In your next review, leave your snarky "personal opinions" to yourself.
I appreciate the feedback, but part of a review is the reviewers opinion, snarky or not. You are entirely welcome to disagree with my take on things. Have a nice day.
I don't have small hands, in fact I have fairly large hands. Fact is: the x52 is outdated, low quality and part of an ecosystem that is long dead, made by a company that doesn't give a flying crap about combat sticks. People need to stop giving them money til they actually innovate and make a competitive product.
@@FalconsLedge fist of all you do have small hands Second of all its not death its still one of the top 5 sticks used and the are still one of the top companys But if you cant take feedback mabye dont make videos like this
@@FlockersDesign ok dude. Just because they sell products doesn't mean their ecosystem isn't dead. It absolutely is. Please tell me how they've improved their product lines in the last 5 years I'll wait. I take criticism just fine. Have a nice day.
Guess you didn't watch the video? I said I needed to release my grip to reach it, and it has nothing to do with finger length or size. Great job with the ad hominem though.
@@FalconsLedge it literally does. We sell plenty of these to people with adult hands and 2 of our pilots use them. I'll get them to cut 18mm off their right thumb to see if they have to adjest their grip though.
I must say i dont really like the x52, but it is nothing but the truth that it is a great option
I don't really think it's a great option. I think it's out dated and there are better options for not much more money
an honest and very informative review consice and unbiased
flawless presentation thank you
Well, I have been gifted this HOTAS by a friend (who has acquired a Thrustmaster T1600 M) and I'm gonna use it to learn how to set key binds in Elite Dangerous.
Your review is very helpful in setting my expectations for this HOTAS realistically.
When I can afford it myself, will (of course) move to a better alternative in time. Thank you, Respectfully Yours, R
The closet Hotas in price to the X52 is the Thrustmaster T16000 Hotas for around 180-256 on amazon(more leading to the higher price due to demand and shipping issues). I would love to get a vkb gladiator nxt but it is only a stick and with it's shipping cost with tax to my area would make it cost around 280usd which is close in price to a full kit thrustmaster T16000(stick, throttle, and paddles if in stock) or a Logitech G x56. I wish there was more mid range hotas set ups in the 100-200 range as this is dominated by Logitech and Thrustmaster with 2-3 options and all other companies I see that make Hotas in this range are from unknown companies, bad reviews, and due to their product shipping would add around 80usd to them and thats a big no go for me. Nice vid
Thank you for this, its the best review on joysticks ive found so far.
This is exactly why i gave up using fixed beams and railguns in elite dangerous!!
2x gladiator NXT EVOs and never look back!
They actually use 16-bit hall sensors in x52. It's just they also use some convoluted double magnet design for some reason. Which in it's turn makes this stick as it is - non linear and janky. But you can actually fix that in like an hour with a couple of small flathead screws and a drop of superglue. Also time to release some x62 or even x72 is waaaay past due. Change that stupid mouse knob for an analog ministick, chage gimbal for a pincer design, some reimagining of grip wouldn't be unwanted also. Maybe recent revigoration of this market will make them move their asses.
Yeah I'd totally welcome those changes, and they are way pay due.
X56?
Your videos are always very quick and too the point you don’t waste time witch is great I love it keep it up
I appreciate that!
Thank you for showing this in Star citizen. Even 3 years later, that's exactly what I wanted a hotas for
@@captainfach so much better sticks out there for the money, the x52 is awful.
@@FalconsLedge what would you suggest for that price point? I really need a lot of buttons and a throttle for something like Star Citizen or Elite. I was looking at the cheaper thrustmaster but there's just like no buttons on that thing
@@captainfach two Winwing Ursa minors, nothing beats them in that price range, and you will not find more buttons for the money either. I have a review for them on my channel
@@FalconsLedge thanks man I'll have to check that out
I dusted off my 15 year old X-52 last week to get back into DCS, and amazingly it still works perfectly. I really want a new setup, but its hard to be FREE on the shelf! I really miss the old Force Feedback sticks, but I just make due with a seat transducer these days.
There are new Force feedback sticks that make the old ones look like toys.
Also basically every stick on the market has that kind of longevity. It's not really a feature, more of a standard.
@@FalconsLedge You get to a point where your simulation is so detailed, you may as well build the plane....I don't think spending $2500 on a fake joystick and throttle are realistic for most people. Especially when FF sticks used to be everywhere
@mikebal7777 funny I don't recall recommending that. I recommend people try to get the best bang for their buck, and Logitech products are not that.
@@FalconsLedge I am unaware of any reasonably priced Force Feedback sticks
@@mikebal7777 there aren't any. I never suggested you should buy one. I merely said there are new ones that are amazing.
A simply thing you can do to improve the response of the joystick is to link 4x cable ties together into a loop, place it under the spring and close up the loop till its sits snug & even under the spring.
That affects the feel of the gimbal not the accuracy of the sensors., If it works for you great.
@@FalconsLedge i mean even if they just kept the same design to save on retooling and just swapped out the internals with better newer stuff i have both an x52 and x 52 pro and what they desperately need is like a redesign of all the parts that peak so the safety latch on the stick needs a better spring the thumb Mouse needs to not be defective the cable linking to to should be something harder to damage that a ps/2 i mean seriously do they even make cable for those any more lol replace it with idk vga, dvi something thats screws in or something that pulls out easily usb etc make it something that wont come out or somthing that will come out without bending pins or the socket fix the damn spring its a 20 year old flaw replace it with a better more adjustable system ...make it modular make it so i can unscrew the right hand flight stick from its base and screw on a left hand one or a flight yoke or a extender for a floor mounted stick like if they just did it right they could keep on selling it for another 20 years but at this point its like asking something to buy a used 2000 corolla for the price of a new one is just silly
@@firefox5926 the reason you aren't getting a new version is that Logitech doesn't give a flying crap about combat Sims. Not even a single solitary crap. They are just manufacturing seriously outdated IP that they acquired a decade ago and they have zero interest in updating it or innovating in any way.
Don't spend your money on dead ecosystems. Buy from companies that do care about the niche you love.
VKB, winwing and Virpil.
VKB gladiator NXTs are WORLDS better than the x52 or x56, and they aren't much more.
@@FalconsLedge oh i know they dont but im just brain storming what i would do if i could remake it ... be real nice if we could get a bunch of good ideas toghter and then find someone with a 3d printer and one of those places that makes cheap custom pcb's
@@firefox5926 in not a fan of their ergonomics, so I'd be replacing the gimbal (because it's bad) and the grip, because it's bad, and I might as well build a whole stick and just throw the x52 away
Awesome and concise review! A very long time ago I had a Saitek joystick with the same gimbal solution (the spring + plastic ring) and it was so sloppy I got another joystick which had a different gimbal. I'm sad that they still hang into that damn spring.
I'd really like to see what they'd come up with now, but still haven't heard anything about any new sticks from them
thumb up for this review. I still have my X52 Pro Hotas and I had the same issue with the moving axis and had to unplug and replug the stick to deal with it.
Mine had this issue for as long as I can remember, but I know it didn't have it when I bought it.
@@FalconsLedge Just curious, would a ferrite bead help with the issue?
@@garyreed315 This problem happens due to really poor quality hall sensors being used. I tried what people call the "Magnet mod" but it did not help the problem at all, in fact some aspects of how the sensors operated were worse.
@@FalconsLedge Thank you for responding so quickly. I am building my system and trying to figure out how to put it all together. I guess I could just get the Virpil controls but they're pricey! Thanks again for your help.
@@garyreed315 I have a VKB Gunfighter mk.III being delivered Monday. Virpil are great sticks. Do you fly space or flight sims
thks mate first good video on hotas on youtube!
I've gone through a lot of Saitek products in my life.
Had the X36, which had its rudder axis acting up once the warranty expired.
Then I got the X52 which had its pinky switch stuck once the warranty expired.
Then I got the X65 which had frayed wires in the throttle once the warranty expired.
Then I got the Thrustmaster Warthog. Never buying Shite-tek again!
The warthog is a bit long in the tooth and could use an update, but the quality difference can not be understated.
@Troll You cant play dcs or flight sim games easily with controller its nearly impossible
@@Rodney_1984 I'd buy one gladiator NXT over the x52 all day long. The x52 is not a good stick.
@@Rodney_1984 I don't actually think the Warthog is a good deal either. Especially when the winwing Orion 2 exists
Very detailed information. Thank you for the reveiw.
Great. Thank you so much. You read my mind about combining the GNX with the x52 throttle! Lol
Is it weird that i really liked the background music the whole way through the video? 😂
Nope not weird, I like it too
i purchased a used x52 yesterday only because after not playing any simulators for over 30 years thought I would give it a try .Considering i was lucky enough to get it for $50 Aud , i am verry happy with it so far and if I continue to play might at some point upgrade.
So my opinion would be , if your just starting out get a used one just to try, no point spending over $200 Aud only to find out you dont have the time/patients .
If you find yourself enjoying flying, do yourself a solid and pick up a Gladiator NXT. Use the x52 throttle and it will be great.
@@FalconsLedge so the x52 throttle will work with the gladiator? I just started looking in to these controllers and the software part makes my head hurt. If I bought these 2 parts, how would I configure these, in game or using thier own software?
@@Ryan-re1rs they each use their own software, and can also just be configured in game. They are both just usb devices, so nothing keeping you from using them together. I'm currently using an x52 throttle with my gunfighter and gladiator combo
Few years ago, I've used to own Saitek X52 and for me it was a great hotas. Today it's also a good option, but IMO only as a used one.
As for the your issues with the sensors. It's actually quite known issue with this stick. But it can be easyli fixed. Just stick extra magnets to the ones already in the base and all deadzone dissapears and the stick becomes very accurate.
The issue is not fixed by magnets. I have tried the mod, it does not fix the accuracy problems, in fact in many respects it makes them worse. It gives the feeling of it being more accurate, but in reality its not. I don't think there is any way I'd recommend this stick over others available at the same price point. it is 20 year old tech still being sold as new today. Fruthermore Logitech doesn't care about flight sim hardware, don't buy from a company who doesn't give a flying crap about the segment you are buying from.
I get that you had it and didn't have problems with it. This does not make it a good product. A good product is defined when it out competes its competition. In this case it just doesn't. I would much rather have a Gladiator NXT stick only than this HOTAS. The NXT is orders of magnitude better than this thing.
@@FalconsLedge I did fixed it in my case. And I agree with you. Today there is no way, I'd buy one instead of Gladiator. But as a cheap used option, it's not that bad.
@@BartAnt84 I don't really explore the used market on this channel, as it is not consistent, as an example at one time only a year ago used Warthogs (another stick I don't recommend anymore) were selling for more than MSRP. As a used item I 'd recommend the T16k before the X52. Better sensors.
it bothers me that all the HOTAS out there in this price range (which is still considerable compared to just a joystick) have such serious manufacturing flaws. If I'm going to pay $200 for a controller, I expect it to be high quality.
Gladiator NXT
@@FalconsLedge Yeah... I'm seriously considering that one. Maybe even without a throttle to start with. I just bought IL-2 and want to play it in VR, so I'm going to want to make sure all the necessary controls are on the stick rather than the keyboard.
@@FalconsLedge It seems VKB Controllers only ships to the US and Canada. Do you know if there is any way to get shipped to other countries?
@@Recon777x I am not sure about that one, if you can arrange getting it from someone they are well worth it
@@Recon777x ship it to me and then pay shipping to you. Unfortunately shipping out of the US is stupid expensive.
No offense, just to be fair I personally think that you can't compare your 13 year old (I guess often used) stick with a newer one. Because that just makes it look bad.
If you said that it was like this from the day you got it (wich I don't think it was), it would've been OK, but a 13+ year old stick has obviously lost performance over time and isn't as good as any newer one.
The video is still pretty well done and was nice to watch.
Keep it up!
It was like that from the day I got it for the most part, and I've used 5 or 6 other x52s and they all share the same faults.
@@FalconsLedge OK, that's weird though.
Mine doesn't have any flaws.
@@ben.oderso804 Mine too work perfect.
You can re-adjust the height of the wrist-rest by unscrewing the nob in the back and raising/lowering the wrist rest for a more comfortable experience. This can fix a lot of the problems listed in this video. Otherwise, the stick works well for beginners.
Yup, thanks, I changed mine long ago. This stick WAS good for beginners 20 years ago, I do not recommend it for anyone now
@@FalconsLedge Agreed. Even around 2007 it was getting old. The buttons are a bit inconvenient now.
I have enjoyed these . Spent many an hour with these in Darkstar 1 .
It's amazing to play games with this
Good review. I've been eyeing this for a while. Not sure if this is better than the TM Airtbus setup, but thanks for the details! Keep it up. Subbed.
IMO it is not better than the TM Airbus stick. My recommendation is the gladiator NXT and TM TMCS throttle.
@@FalconsLedge Whoa! Slow down, the VKB has like 32 additional add-ons! Good option though. Too bad the price is inflated and it's hard to find! Thanks for the advice!
@@mr.yonosenada VKB gladiator NXT is in the same price segment as the x52, but it's about 10x better.
I will be posting ac review of the GNX today or tomorrow.
concise and informative
Thanks Ron! A lot more coming!
i only have the flight simulator what other games can i use with this yoistick?
it's a the best review in RUclips! thank you
Thanks!
@@FalconsLedge do you have review about t16000m? in Ukraine I can't get VKB nxt, what I think is so good device. I hate deadzones in a stick and searching really nice controller to simulators ww2
@@user-id2sm7yz5u for WW2 VKB has a gladiator that has a WW2 grip, and even has a WW2 throttle
@@user-id2sm7yz5u I plan to pick up a T16K and review it. I've used them, but never owned my own.
@@FalconsLedge VKB is a russian company?
I bought my x52 couple weeks ago, so it's pretty new. First thing I noticed watching this is that mine doesn't have "Flight Control System" written on the stick. And a fun fact, the momentary switches on the stick don't work properly, from the moment I unboxed it. The 3rd one from the left is (T5 to be precise), doesn't click to the up side unless I switch it from the furthest left point.
And the HOTAS has incredibly cheap feeling. Even though it's my first ever HOTAS, the first moment I get my hands on it, I thought "huh, this is piece of crap".
But it gets the job done. At least for now.
Ah, and the ting happens at 7:35, also happens to me (from the first day I started using it), whenever I play "intensely" for a period of time. But mine happens to Y axis.
I think the flight control system is from saitek, which is who produced mine. The new ones are produced by Logitech.
Sorry to hear about the one you got, quality seems hit and miss from Logitech.
I just got a thrustmaster tca airbus package and it’s my first stick and throttle and I’m truly impressed. In this price range I would prob choose thrustmaster. Logitech tends to feel more cheap even though more functions typically. My stick was designed to be as realistic as possible matching the actual airbus
@@billygames7107 really depends on how much you are spending. For a single stick less than $150, you just can't beat the gladiator NXT. If you can get the TM TCA for less than $100 I'd say that's pretty decent, or of you primarily fly commercial flight sims over combat sims. Once you get to warthog range, unless you can get the WH for 350 or so, I'd say go for Virpil winwing or VKB, they are all higher quality by volumes than thrustmaster.
@@FalconsLedge I got the tca with the throttle pack for 150$ I’m pretty happy about it. The dang throttle is sometimes 150$ alone. You are right about everything you said though..✌🏼
@@billygames7107 yeah 150 for both is a decent deal, and honestly if you can get that set or the T16k pack for 125-150 they are the best budget sticks
Back in 2015 when my Saitek ST200 USB bought with Freespace died I did consider it but at the times I wasn't sold on HOTAS (I tended to play old-ass games that often don't even support throttles and almost never twist) and all the cons I heard about scared me off, so I went with a CH Products Combatstick which was probably the most low-maintenance stick I could afford back then, I'm only thinking of changing it because Windows 10 broke the software that did calibration and input filtering and CH Products is not bothering with their gaming lineup anymore even though they are still making them. And yes, the design was a red flag for me too. You could kind of tell they tried to make it look "impressive" to compensate the overall cheapness of the set and if my memories of the review in 2015 served me right it stil worked back then with many reviewers praising the sapacey-wacey looks.
I didn't know the trigger was dual stage though, or at least I don't remember anyone else mentioning it in their reviews.
I love to poke at the looks, because it's really cheesy. It can certainly work for people and the throttle isn't half bad for a single axis one.
@@FalconsLedge I think I saw a knock-off x52 throttle during the mid 2010s while ggogling sticks back then, I'm not sure but IIRC VKB made it but I can't swear on it.
@@det.bullock4461 VKB does not offer throttles, but they are coming out with one in a couple months here, but it's nothing like the x52 throttle.
There are a bunch of throttles and some sticks that either stole the design or licensed the design from saitek.
@@FalconsLedge It was back when they still made the Cobra Defender, I don't have very clear memories of that time. I just remember what was visibly a knock-off x-52 throttle being associated with them, I don't remember if it was them or just some forum threads of people that used said throttle with their VKB stick.
my X52 just died after only 8 weeks of use. Is that Star Citizen music I hear? That's my main use for this joystick!
I use a bunch of game soundtracks, including SC! if your throttle works, buy a Gladiator NXT and never look back at the X52. You will not be sorry.
@@FalconsLedge nothing works as the 2 are joined together and the throttle receives the power via USB. I looked for the Gladiator NXT and couldn't find it but I'll look again. I may have searched wrong. And I couldn't find that throttle you recommended either. thinking of just getting the T16000M.
@@coina-dig-tion6322 VKB Gladiator NXT and Thrustmaster TWCS throttle. Trust me on this one.
@@FalconsLedge ok. lol just checked and they want nearly $60 just for shipping. :-( Guess I've been spoiled with Amazon free shipping too long, huh. The Thrustmaster TWCS used to stick a little from what I've been hearing. Is that still an issue?
@@coina-dig-tion6322 yup it's an unfortunate reality, but it is well worth it. It is volumes better than the T16000 stick and worlds better than the x52
Is it a bad or a good thing that I’m getting this soon for x plane 11, and I want to use it for commercial airplanes 💀
@@Top_pan if you've never experienced better you won't know it's bad. Once you try something better you'll see just how horrible they are.
Just buy a Winwing Ursa Minor stick and use it with the x52 throttle and it will be considerably improved.
The nub was useful to me to slew around the Radar and Maverick Curser in BMS. Until it started to fail. And if I am not mistaken it was mappable. But I cannot remember since it is more than 10 years ago. But I am 99% sure it was.
The Thrustmaster T16000 has not enough POV's and no 1st and 2nd detent trigger which is needed in Falcon BMS or even in DCS in certain models.
So for all other games it might be the better option. But Falcon BMS and DCS needs a proper HOTAS with many Rotaries and POV's. Unfortunately. And the budget is a thing when comparing a 120 USD (used) X52 to a way over 300-400 USD HOTAS that gives the same functionality.
I don't even know why I am watching this 😅 since I know this HOTAS so very well hahaha. Mine lasted many years with many play hours a day. I was so addicted to Falcon and DCS.
I’m here because Best Buy refunded my money for the turtle beach velocity one for the Xbox X series man I’m heartbroken doctor says I’ll be all right though appreciate the concern Fellas😂
Glad you are going to be ok. don't buy a x52 though, they're so inaccurate stormtroopers make fun of them for missing.
@@FalconsLedge No worries Best Buy sent me a $10 gift card so it was all worth it I really didn’t want the flight stick I just wanted to gift card so I’m all better now😂😂😂😂
@@FalconsLedge 🤦🏽
This is the old one. Logitech bought Saitek ,they reworked the HOTAS, the new ones do not have Saitek name on them.
Yup, I'm aware, I'm also aware that QA issues are far more common on Logitech units than saitek ones.
Just wondering I was going to buy one of these but what is the difference between this and the x52 pro?
The pro has a dual spring gimbal, some additional metal bits and two of the very low quality Hall sensors instead of one.
On the plus side some of the metal bits are some of the high wear items.
If you are willing to spend x52 pro money, why on earth wouldn't you buy a Gladiator NXT and TWCS throttle? The stick is 100% better than anything Logitech has to offer.
If i found a good deal on FB marketplace on the newer pro version, is it worth it?
No, buy a Winwing Ursa Minor, it is world's better, and if you decide you don't want to do sims anymore, it will have a much better resale
It seems just about every single HOTAS that's available for me has loads of people complaining of some very deal breaking issues.
I highly recommend to avoid Logitech and Thrustmaster. These companies haven't innovated or created new combat sticks in a decade. These are dead ecosystems. Give your money to companies that actually give a crap about our industry! (VKB, Virpil, Winwing)
@@FalconsLedge I got a pair of Gladiators (one in omni) coming in the mail. Can't wait! It was a bit more that what I was willing to spend at first, but whatever. Seemingly everyone who owns them swears by them. Peace of mind and all that.
Wait, you complain that it feels like it has a dead zone in SC, and then set a dead zone in DCS and complain that it's not sensitive enough? I'm not understanding.
You're also comparing a $150 retail hotas with 15+ years of wear on it to one that's $400 minimum with much less wear.
In wasn't saying they were the same, just saying that the difference was staggering. The sad part is that Warthogs aren't great compared to its competition. The stick didn't perform any better new fyi
Also I altered the deadzones numerous times. You assume I never tried anything, but I did. The x52 isn't a good stick. It may have been when it had no competition a decade ago, but not today.
For clarity are you reviewing your own stick you bought in 2004 having now put 100/1000s of hours on it???
Lol, I do remember what it was like in 2004. The X52 is not a good stick. I'd rather have one gladiator NXT than the pair of sticks from the x52 any day.
Furthermore, Logitech doesn't give a crap about flight sim hardware. They aren't innovating or coming up with new hardware. They are just riding IP they purchased years ago.
Don't give money to companies that don't care about their product. Same goes for ThrustMaster, they haven't produced a decent product since 2011 with the Warthog. The Warthog doesn't stand up to it's opposition today either.
My main issues with the X52 are: bad ergonomics on the stick, low quality sensors, and overall low quality. These things don't change over time.
Have a nice day.
Thanks for a great review. What’s the music playing in the background, btw? Reminds me of Star Citizen, but I haven’t fired that one up since the first hangar release lol. I was actually pretty close to buying the X52 a couple weeks ago due to a good deal, but decided to go for the VKB Gladiator NXT and wait for VKB’s throttle instead. I used to use VKB’s old mass-market Cobra M5 with an Njoy controller and had to sell it when I moved, and I felt like X52 would be a step down even from that. I would love to hear more from you re your NXT impressions. Do you know if the handle can be somehow used with non-Gladiator VKB bases? My Gladiator is currently being shipped, so I’m all anticipation now as I have never used Virpil or high-end VKB sticks before.
It is from Star Citizen :)
So the GNX uses it's own gimbal, so it's not compatible with the gunfighter series for sure, but I don't know about older mid range bases from VKB.
I am purchasing a gunfighter mk.III for testing, but I'll be releasing a full review of the TM warthog, then after that the GNX, and then finally the Gunfighter.
@@FalconsLedge awesome, thanks! I really look forward to those reviews! I wish I could treat the NXT as a Kosmosima grip, but oh well, it seems like a great value even with a reinforced plastic gimbal anyway. Now I’ll probably be inspired to actually go back to Star Citizen!
Great review man, one question though how did it do in Elite Dangerous?
It worked, but no better than anywhere else. Fact if the matter: there are better sticks available (by far) for only a small amount more. I honestly wish people would stop buying these horrible outdated things so Logitech would design and release an updated better setup
Hi, I am struggling to find the softwere, the Saitek website doesn't work anymore and the Logitech download section is empty. Any link to download? I think the softwere is the same but just in case, I have the pro version. Thanks!
Hm I don't see the software either
@@FalconsLedge Well, thats bad, I'll keep looking, if anyone who's reading could help me it would be nice!
I paid 68 pounds for this about ten years ago. A bargain. Not planning on spending a weeks wages on a joystick. My only gripe is it's too small for my big hands. I cannot touch the pinkie switch with my pinkie
More power to those that enjoy it. And 10 years ago it was a pretty good solution. Nowadays there are significantly better solutions for a few dollars more.
i bought the saitek because i just started
I wish you the best with this stick. It would not be my recommendation. I would've went with the Gladiator NXT, eve if it was just the stick, it is so much better than this combo its almost laughable. But I get it. It really does seem like you are getting more for your money. Again best of luck!
Ill sum it up... You think an X52 is okay until you get an X56... then you realize VKB was worth the price increase and youll get that, giving the Warthog a skip cause its a glorified X56... then eventually youll want something really nice and youll get Virpil.
You missed some and were off a bit, but not a bad take.
Imo the x52 and 56 are worth a pass, Logitech is a dead ecosystem
@@FalconsLedge VKB should be everyones entry but the X52 and X56 provide price compromise and a familiar name. Most people are too scared to go straight to something like VKB or Virpil.
And if you're going to go Virpil you should go VR and if you're going to do that well, hell. You may as well put it all into a sim chair... Worth it.
So this is going to be my first one everyone else is saying it’s perfect for your first but is this true should this be my first as I move my way up to more complicated hotas setups? I am not ready to pay so much money for my first so I need to know if this is worth it
Sorry I don't think it's good as a first. VKB Gladiator NXT is the best first stick. If money is super concerning then t16k.
hey i know its been like 2 years since this video been posted but can you review the X52 Pro if theres a difference between this and the pro version?
I would not purchase either of these sticks. They are seriously outdated, some of the worst accuracy on the market, terrible ergonomics, and it's a totally dead ecosystem from a company that doesn't care at all about combat Sims.
If you want the best bang for your buck buy VKB Gladiator and STECS throttle.
The difference is incredible for the money.
If you absolutely can't go over that price I would rather have one gladiator NXT than a sub par hotas.
I was gonna get a new x56 for $205 on amazon but picked up a used x52 for $30, would you consider that to be good? I thought it would be nice for the money, I just needed an upgrade from the logi attack 3
I would not consider the x52 to be good, no. But I also don't think he x56 is good either.
The biggest problem with logitch if that they don't give a flying crap about combat Sim hardware.
What I'd suggest is to keep the x52 Throttle, is not great, but not bad either, and it sounds like you got a good deal on it.
Buy a VKB Gladiator NXT EVO and use that as a stick. It will be a setup that will be very good, and significantly better than the x52 stick (the worst part about the x52)
@@FalconsLedge Thanks, Ill prob look into getting the gladiator, The only flight sim I play right now is DCS and I fly the F16, I needed more binds than are available on the attack 3, I appreciate your feedback too.
@@tokenday4566 the gladiator premium should be able to 1:1 the f-16 stick in DCS or close to it
Mine has major axis stutter in the joystick after a year with minimal use. Logitech is not willing to help.
Lots of them do, most people who are either pretty casual or just simply don't have good context to compare experiences just don't notice it. It is a big part of why I created this channel.
@@FalconsLedge it's a shame because if it hadn't stopped working properly it would be an amazing controller.
@@legokid201 so that's where I disagree, at least in today's market. You need to compare it to what's available. The t16000m, while imperfect is a better kit for the same money as the x52. Better sensors, better gimbal.
And for a little more the Gladiator NXT is 100x better than the x52 it's not even in the ballpark.
this is my first gear so i didnt think much and bought first one i saw, to figure out what i want from this gear. only thing that annoys me - i need to make holes in table, very unstable gear, they should put some iron in the base. also not all buttons are comfortable on stick.
Unfortunately the x52 just really isn't a great piece of hardware. It's recommend checking out the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO. It would be a huge upgrade for not a ton of money.
@@FalconsLedge yea thanks for intel)
@@FalconsLedge there is only VKB Gladiator NXT without "EVO" available in my country, is that right version?
@@karlvareze8337 the NXT is a great stick, but the NXT EVO is far better for essentially the same cost
@@FalconsLedge btw i can manually upgrade it, their assembly is on god level
Hey thanks for the vid! Does it work with Xbox series s/x on flight simulator 2020?
This stick is 20+ years old. Xbox consoles require a specific security chip in order to function as a peripheral, so no, it likely wont work.
I have had an Extreme 3D Pro for 10 years now. Would the X52 be a worthy upgrade for 55-65 €? Or should I just go for a T.16000 + TWCS + TFRP for 170 €?
I would go for the T16k over the x52
If you can afford it though, a much better solution and what I consider to be the best bang for your buck right now would be the Gladiator NXT paired with that same TWCS. IMO the GNX is vastly superior to the x52 and T16K for a reasonable amount more.
@@FalconsLedge Trouble is the TM devices come in a pack, which I am not able to separate. So it'd be all or nothing on TM.
So defo X52 not worth it for 60 €?
@@FalconsLedge The seller claims it is almost new.
@@ezanchi5422 the x52 is 20+ years old. It may be worth it, but the T16k has a much better sensor, a better gimbal, and it doesn't look like a bad 90s future joystick concept design. (It looks like an early 2k design that is still pretty ugly IMO, but better than the x52).
You might like the x52, who knows, that's ultimately up to you.
I wonder if the x52 pro is better, I heard that had better construction.
I have messed around with one, and it has a bit better materials on parts, but the gimbal still has the same problems, and they use two of the same garbage sensors per axis. So it should be slightly better, but for the cost you could have a gladiator nxt and TM throttle and there is absolutely no comparison between the two. The GNX is better in every conceivable way.
@@FalconsLedge thanks for the info.
The sensors are very accurate and not garbage at all, you simply don't know how to properly calibrate the stick which is why you're getting stick drift!
When calibrated properly, it is super precise, needs no deadzone and does not drift. And it just works day in, day out.
Which is a far cry from the reputation that POS "warthog" stick has in the flight Sim scene.
@@Tom--Ace I'm assuming this is sarcasm.
Do you know where I can only get the throttle
Used market? They don't sell them separately
@@FalconsLedge do you know of any budget throttles I want to get a Logitech 3D pro stick and a throttle
@@RizzRust the super budget segment is probably the one I know the least about, but if I were looking for a cheap throttle, the lowest is probably go is the TM TMCS
I fucking LOVE the x52. I didnt know it was such garbage? It feels great and works well. I've been using one built in like 2003.
This is a common comment from people who don't have any context on what is good and what is bad.
@@FalconsLedge :(
@@logoed sorry man, it's just true. I knew the x52 wasnt that great when I was using it for more than a decade, but I really had it painfully illustrated when I upgraded.
@@FalconsLedge Makes sense lol, I am sure if I got my hands on a new up to date hotas, I would consider the x52 crap.
@@logoed I'm not really comparing it to sticks that are all that far outside the price range of the X52 either. Even when compared to the T16000m it isn't nearly as accurate.
When compared to a stick just a bit more money than the X52, the Gladiator NXT its like a different world of better. There is no comparison.
Is any joystick that doesn't do, like X52. Is X52 pro any better?😬
Not much better, slightly better feel, slightly better sensor arrangement, but not enough to be worth it in my opinion.
@@FalconsLedge . Thank you. 👍 Experience and opinion, what i came for. That jerking is pretty bad.... 😬 Trying get some information. And try to play VR IL-2 for the starters...
@@alexk2418 sensor not website... Not sure why that corrected to that, sorry. Depending on your budget, that is what is going to determine what is the best bang for your money. If you are limited to x52 money, say under 200 for both throttle and stick, the t16000m kit would satisfy you. If you can go to 250, then you will not beat the vkb Gladiator NXT with the thrustmaster TWCS throttle to pair it with.
If you only do warbirds and you want a bit higher end solution you could stick with the TWCS throttle and go for the vkb gunfighter mk.iii warbird edition. The big plus here is that you can buy other grips like the kosmosima if you decide to fly more modern aircraft
@@FalconsLedge . After your review, I will definitely go for that gladiator. In my opinion, 150€(pro190€ on that side of the globe) too match many for that behavior (X52 jerking). Hall sensor stuff almost pointless... Over 15 years ago. Played IL-2 with crappy joystick. That mistake, i don't do again.
1600 I don't like, and it cost about 150€
@@FalconsLedge . I don't understand that Logitech politics. For example. Wireless keyboard for over 200€ and can't map keys. Otherwise awesome keyboard. That x 52..... 🤦🏻♂️
thanks.
vkb is impossible to find is always out of stock and it cost 2x for a setup, at some point i have to look elsewhere
This is the worst solution to go with. The worst, they are awful, inaccurate, low quality, unergonomic, and even worse it's giving money to a company that doesn't care about your hobby.
I'm sorry they are so hard to get in some places. I've never had a problem getting them in the US. My recommendation would be to look at saving a tad more and going with Winwing if you can't get a VKB that is more in your price range.
If you can't afford both the throttle and stick, I'd MUCH rather have a single stick that is actually a quality piece than the absolute garbage that is logitech flight hardware.
@@FalconsLedge winwing is basically 650 after shipping and EU taxes, and i also need to add a rudder pedal which raise the cost even more, seems that theres not a "casual" solution, its either complete crap or too expensive
@@sharkpyro93 unfortunately you aren't really wrong. There is turtle Beach that has a stick that is a bit better than the Logitech sticks. But the VKB NXT is still better.
If I was not able to afford anything above entry level I'd go with a Gladiator NXT. Save up a bit and choose a throttle. TWCS if the others are too much.
I don't recommend the Logitech stuff for anyone. I just finished my test of the X56, and while id say it may be a step up from the x52, sadly that isn't saying much. I'd rather have one gladiator NXT and no throttle than have the x52 or x56. I'd take one NXT all day over a Logitech hotas.
@@FalconsLedge agree but its out of stock for too long, and it seems that is impossible to pre-order for the next batch, availability is something to consider, what am i supposed to do now?
I think that complaining about stick drift on an item that's been in use for 17 years is kinda misleading.
LOL it always had stick drift. It wasn't something that "Developed"
do you recommend the pxn 2119pro ?
Looks like an Uber low end licensed copy of the x52. I don't recommend the x52, let alone Uber low end copies of it, but here's the thing:
If your budgetary limitations are such that the pxn 2119pro is what you can get. It can't be worse than no hotas right?
Personally I'd save up a bit more and get a T16000, it's a bit higher quality and has a far better sensor.
@@FalconsLedge make sense thank you
I feel like I can air to air refuel easier in a 3d pro joystick than that x52.
I don't doubt it, wonder if that stick uses pots and not hall sensors?
@@FalconsLedge it uses pots, I’ve been using it and it kinda sucks. It’s not bad but for any micro movements it is almost useless. For air to air refueling I have a totally different joystick curve that I switch to.
@@questofknowledge8788 I used to crank up the curves to use the x52. I had no idea how bad it was til I started heavily researching joystick tech
@@FalconsLedge Yeah, I have known mine is bad, the problem I have now is my stick has been around for about 7-10 years and is breaking down. I may end up just using it only for dcs f14 rio.
When you let go of the stick and it drifts you might say it adds a sense of more realism to the flight. After all in real life unless autopilot is active letting go of the stick you dont still fly a straight line
Lol no, the stick centers, but the sensors drift, this is due to very low quality sensors and a badly designed gimbal, there is no positive side to it
@@FalconsLedgeright the stick might center and a real one would show movement if you let it go. But still in real life letting go of a stick the craft would lose control with no auto pilot engaged and no hands on the stick. LOL
@@ericmooney5740 yes I realize that, but it's not the same, sorry. If you like the x52, more power to you, but it's a horrible stick.
@@FalconsLedgeHonestly i have no preference on game sticks and I realize the fault you were mentioning this has. My point was simply if one wanted to they could imagine the fault added to the realism. Sorry if that was not clear
@@ericmooney5740 I guess that would certainly be making lemonade out of lemons for sure.
what is that game
Which one? I think I played DCS and star citizen
@@FalconsLedge star citizen, I can’t find that game in steam
@@javieruriel it isn't in steam it's why. Robertspaceindustries.com
@@FalconsLedge thanks, make sense, new in this.
No way in hell am I using that disgustingly cheep looking T16000M or the expensive and weird looking VKB Gladiator.
I'd rather get this even with all the downsides but with better quality, looks and more buttons.
You would take this over a GNX? I'm afraid you are a lost soul sir. No amount of logic is going to sway you.
Just so we're clear, having owned both x52 and GNX, they aren't even in the same zip code of quality. The GNX is better in every way.
Man one is like 4x the price
Which one are you referring to?
so, today i disassembled my hotas x52. this is not spider web. this is glue-style sh*t!!!! WORST ASSEMBLY I EVER SEEN (i disassembled a lot of keyboards/mouses)!
WORST!
it started making creaking plastic sound in A WEEK! WTF LOGITECH (SAITEC)?????
so i used silicone lubricant
did you know that throttle IS supposed to have haptic feedback at 100 and 0? I DIDNT! UNTIL I LUBRICATED IT!
i mad at this gear
p.s. sorry for my bad english
also cant get pinky button to work
Pinky button must be configured in their software it is a "clutch" button by default. Also mine did have a spider living in it, but yeah glue was terrible. I went VKB and have never looked back
@@FalconsLedge omg
@@FalconsLedge x4 where i use x52 cant see clutch button combinations even with built-in preset
@@FalconsLedge waiting for my vkb premium now
Mining laser throttles is EXACTLY what I bought this set for lol but I got mine for $80 on ebay.
This is not a good set.... at all. Do yourself a huge favor and replace the stick with a gladiator NXT.
The t1600m is an absolute piece of trash by comparison, you're quite deluded in this review.
If you knew how to properly calibrate your stick, you would get super precision and no axis drift, and with Teflon spray on the plastic ring at the base of the gimbal, you'd have a super smooth motion.
I don't disagree the VKB is a step up in some ways, although the warthog has way too many problems of its own.
But the x52 is a popular stick for a reason - it's very precise when calibrated properly.
got my vkb today.
to anyone who looking for joystick:
buy vkb! dont ever look at this old sh**. with ps/2 connectors omg
Really George? a review of an HOTAS solded 20 years ago?
Review of a hotas that is still being sold as new today
@@FalconsLedge HI mate do you know if the hotas work on War thunder on ps4, I can't find too much proof that it work. Some people say yes some people say no... 😭
@@alaricpumani5372 I am not sure about ps4
@@FalconsLedge thanks for anwser my dude 😎👌
I have no problems with this set up
More power to you then, but what I have is context. I've used this and many other sticks, and that's why I know that the x52 does not measure up to it's competition.
Maybe if you bothered to keep your area and the hardware clean, you'd have been less prone to accruing faults in the control systems. In your next review, leave your snarky "personal opinions" to yourself.
I appreciate the feedback, but part of a review is the reviewers opinion, snarky or not. You are entirely welcome to disagree with my take on things. Have a nice day.
i think your joystick is fucked mine does not do that work well
I've used numerous X52s, they all suffer from this problem to some degree. If yours doesn't consider yourself lucky.
Its not a design flaw you just have small hands😂
Same as most of youre cons there not a joystick problem but personal issues
I don't have small hands, in fact I have fairly large hands. Fact is: the x52 is outdated, low quality and part of an ecosystem that is long dead, made by a company that doesn't give a flying crap about combat sticks. People need to stop giving them money til they actually innovate and make a competitive product.
@@FalconsLedge fist of all you do have small hands
Second of all its not death its still one of the top 5 sticks used and the are still one of the top companys
But if you cant take feedback mabye dont make videos like this
@@FlockersDesign ok dude.
Just because they sell products doesn't mean their ecosystem isn't dead. It absolutely is. Please tell me how they've improved their product lines in the last 5 years I'll wait.
I take criticism just fine. Have a nice day.
Two buttons on the right are hard to reach with your thumb?
Your thumb is the size of an 8 year olds 😂😂
Guess you didn't watch the video? I said I needed to release my grip to reach it, and it has nothing to do with finger length or size.
Great job with the ad hominem though.
@@FalconsLedge it literally does. We sell plenty of these to people with adult hands and 2 of our pilots use them. I'll get them to cut 18mm off their right thumb to see if they have to adjest their grip though.
lol seitek
Yep it was built by saitek, and mine is a saitek model