I like that you’re honest. Most data recovery service dudes will act as if opening your hard drive will cause permanent damage just so you can call them for help and pay up.
These fucking data recovery dudes are mad pei , they let down all of your hopes and asking stupid questions and doesn't have guts to except the challenge , ones they heard about you did open your hard drive ,that's it " I am not touching it " world end up, life is under the thread , I am dying , I m blind , I say keep opening bloody hard disk ,you one day learns things.
Thanks for posting. Just for folks to be aware, if you intend to open a HDD, you need to do it in a clean environment. Airborne dust is sufficient to cause problems when it settles on the platter. Finger prints on the platter are a disaster. Cover your hair and clothing, wear neoprene (or touch sensitive) gloves. Generally parts (such as heads) are not interchangeable. If there is annular scoring as in this example, other tracks/ sectors may be readable. If he scoring is a spiral, that crosses all data tracks and renders the drive scrap metal. You need good light and the steady hands of a surgeon. :) :)
Fascinating to see how these devices work. They are more fragile than I thought. My WD drive is well out of warranty. I think I will crack open the case and see if the platters are intact since I have no idea what caused my drive failure. Thanks for the tech lesson!
I am watching the third video of your hdd help and I am asking my self why I didn't open any. Thank you for inspiration and for lot of helpful informations! :)
The worked for me after two pc shops refused to open the unreadable hard drive. as soon as I opened the case and saw it wasn't in a parked position I figured it was stuck and rotated counterclockwise the disc while dragging the reader head back to parked position and that fixed it. Thanks for sharing!
@@idiosyncrazy1980 For an even dirtier fix put the drive on its side and give it a bump into a table. Worked for me, got the drive going but I thought it would work again after that which it did not.
Actually, the read heads are somewhat easy to replace. They have sort of a springy head so the reader can be repelled by the individual magnetic pulls. That springiness also allows for flexibility between platter thicknesses. and that thing about the formatting, all read heads I've seen are the same, they all same amount of turns in the copper coil, and no chip. This means the only electronics in it is the ribbon wire, coil, and heads. The chip that controls the movement is either on a board inside the enclosure, or on the outer board. To make a long story short, just unplug the reader, unscrew the plastic guide thing that keeps the heads from going too far from the platter, remove the top neodymium magnet, and remove the read heads. Installation: Unless you plan to save the platters, you don't have to worry about scratching them when removing the heads, just don't let it touch the ones in the new drive. To install them, just do the same thing to remove the damaged heads, then slide the new ones into the plastic guide and screw it down and it should be good to go. Just don't forget to put the magnet back and plug the read head in to the board. Edit: Nvm, I guess there's more to it then that: ruclips.net/video/J9P4UadRdNA/видео.html Well, I was mostly right.
have a disk with me to know what happened to it and it no longer works and I want to fix it in the strongest coefficient where it is, I want what is inside it, it is very important to me, Can you show me the strongest coefficient for it
Wow, that's awesome. I'm thinking of doing this myself so I have got questions. Will it work if I swap the head using the same model, size, first 3 digits of serial number and same firmware version? If it will work, can I use hddsuperclone to clone the hard drive or I still have to use PC3000??
It is possible to recover data from a hard drive with this type of damage. You won't get information that is on the damaged part... but all other areas are recoverable. You just have to have data recovery software that will ignore the read error that you will get when it gets to the end of the drive... Basically, since the heads are damaged, they would be replaced... You will see what you can get before the new ones get damaged, replace the heads again, and start reading again... As long as you get a set of heads that survive going over the damaged area.. you'll get everything on the inner part of the drive that isn't damaged. Which from your video is about 90%-95% of the data. The alignment issues you are talking about are with the platters being aligned with each other. When you replace the heads, you use paper to keep them from crashing on each other... you then remove the paper seperaters as you seat the heads on the HDD platters.
no the damaged area would just damage the new set of heads put on the system, Also where it reads to seek and read track 0 is messed up, so it will never be able to become ready UNLESS u turn the head off that reads that platter unless all the platters have that damage.
THank you so much man! I don't know yet if this will work for me, but thanks for explaining what are REALLY the risks to open the HD... vs almost all experts as you said who just say "no ! don't try !!!! you gonna lose all!!"
I have taken the lid off of a working hard drive and used it that way. It will work. Probably not very long. But I was able to read files etc. Not recommended for data recovery, but fun to see it work.
How cool was to watch this vid... made with patience, care and taking us with you in the curiosity of checking every single piece... thank you for the trip, congrats for a great vid!
I recently discovered your channel to see if I could possible save what I thought was a stuck head on my 2TB HDD and I was confident in opening the drive and unjamming the heads until I found out that all three of my platters had 3-5 rings of very deep scratches...moral of the story: remove your HDDs before transporting a PC
I have a Samsung 2.5" HDD, it literally flew and fell on hard floor (turned off), and then... it still worked flawlessly, and was still working last time I checked... But when turned on, even a light shock can mean goodbye for good.
the best thing is to use an ssd i have 4 hdds in my Alienware 17 r2 i have 1x(512gb m.2) and 2 (256gb m.2) and 1 (4tb hdd for steam. all my personal stuff is on a few 128gb sand disk usb drives. my pics and over important docs are on DVDs nobody uses them but they are the best my be slow at reading but will never fail unless you scratch them
most drives can be forced to read specific tracks with specialized interfaces and software, usually provided thru the manufacturer. this can allow retrieval of partial data from non damaged areas, but only if the heads are undamaged. if heads are non functional, some services have success by actually removing the disc platters and mounting them into a new case with good heads, much like a manufacturing process. inspection at microscope levels to determine suitability is essential before choosing what to do, as even minute surface defects will ruin subsequent heads that attempt access to those areas. most recover is a multistep process, first to enable reliable mechanical operation, then read as much data into an external image file, and finally parse the recovered image file for data structure and useable data. with many systems, the fragmentation of files is extensive and often very time consuming makingit difficult to recover individual consecutive data (however, even partial data can be useful)
Amazing info! Thank you very much! I have a ~7 yr old Seagate Barracuda 360GB hard disk, that fell sick few months ago (dunno how, never fell down or something). Luckily, i got a new WD 1TB on time and transferred 98% data safely to the new hdd. I was not able to run it for more than 20-30 mins (temps going 45C+ then BSOD) till 2 days ago when i discovered that it is making one clicking sound then fails to be detected at startup. I just backed up my data before the hdd died totally.
They said the heads don't touch the surface of the disc while spinning because the air friction slightly lift it up but at 5:35 I can hear noise when it reaches the scratch area which means the heads are in contact with the disc while reading data.
1) The cover is off, as the guy said (one of the few smart things he said in this video) it might mess up the air flow which is required for the heads to fly above the platters - at an extremely small distance though. 2) The deep scratches alter the platters' surface, creating irregularities which look small with the naked eye but are enormous compared with the heads' size and the distance at which they normally fly over the platters - just imagine a Formula 1 car driving on a volcanic landscape...
Surely a head replacement would have helped get some data off the disc though? The head had scratched the disc yes so that data is gone obviously. However the head was also visibly damaged so replacing it (assuming the damage isn't on an important part of initialisation) should surely work in recovering some data? Or does any scratch to any part of any disc make it completely unreadable ?
I have the same problem... I purchased a 4tb Seagate external drive, I then proceeded to transfer 20 years of data from 4 smaller external hard drives, totalling around 3tb, onto it. I formatted each one as I finished & used them for other things.. About a week later I was vacuuming, caught the external drives power lead under a table, this caused the drive to fall 2" onto its side & it immediately emitted a nasty screaming/grinding/rotating noise, in the same way that one is.. I strongly suspect my platters now look exactly the same as your one.. I will open it at some point to see, I`ve been avoiding it as I`m kinda hoping it will miraculously fix itself, even though I`m 99% sure its now permanently dead. The moral of the story is, always back things up at least twice... I also think I`ll be wrapping my external drives in a couple of layers of bubblewrap in future, just in case..
Indeed that was kinda foolish, to have the opportunity to make a proper backup (having the data on one device only is _not_ a backup), and yet use the older HDDs to hord moar data, probably less worthwhile than those 3TB... You could have recovered part of the older data from those still working drives, depending on how much new data had been written on them since. The damaged HDD could still be partially recovered by a professional data recovery company, if you haven't made a foolish attempt to open it in dusty environment and screw it up for good, but of course it would cost a lotta money, about a whore's day (depending on where you are located it might even be worth ten days of a whore's work, or a kidney).
Not sure if platter replacement is completely impossible, hard drive always uses one head at once and i guess it compensates misalignment and eccentricity a little during rotation. But it's just my guess. I believe tracks are too dense to be able to make hard drive perfect mechanically.
I'm wondering why you did not try to recover any data? I had the exact same HDD shown here. It stopped reading any data. So I opened it the same as you. No visual damage was there, but I did make the mistake of turning it on to see if it spins. It did, and the heads went crazy. I put it back together and was able to recover 90% of the data. Somehow opening it let it work again for enough time to copy/paste data to another drive.
Thanks for sharing - although I am late to the party. I have a the Western Digital Caviar Green Power 500GB External Hard Disk Drive": It crashed in the year 2525 [ha got carried away in reference to a song] - it actually crashed in 2015! A local shop tech told me that the only way I could recover my data is by obtaining a identical enclosure controller board to read the data? I still have my WD 500GB external hard - I removed the case, but I didn't disassemble the drive itself. I guess I could give it a try again because my toolbox has improved - I own a Thermaltake - BlacX Duet Hard Drive Enclosure Docking Station - Black. any advice?
What are these dents seen at 0:25 on the side of the HDD caused from? I just received a HDD that has these dents and am not sure if I should return it.
You can't "force" the drive into the read position! Data recovery centres CAN recover data from such drives and it is likely they could have recovered the data off this drive, prior to dismantling.(obviously there will be some data that cannot be recovered where the heads have crashed into the platter). It does depend on the ability to use the original head (or if they can install new r/w heads). Recovery centres have specialised software to step the heads and control which track is read. The data DOES NOT have to align vertically between platters. There is some form of alignment based purely on the relationship between the heads and how they are mounted on the drive, but this has nothing to do with VERTICAL data alignment. Today's high capacity drives (usually) have logical allocations. This means the drive to the "end user" may be described for example as 2048 tracks and two r/w heads, while in practice, the physical device may have hardware that uses two platters and four heads. The computer requests the drive to write on track 1056, but the hard drive "logically" locates the appropriate track that "represents" track number 1056. This track could be on the second platter, read and written by head three. The computer does not need to know this logical allocation, this is handled by the embedded software on the hard drive.
Praise the lord and all mystic creatures! Not everybody (including the incompetent car mechanics in the video) is out of his mind. Fills me with hope for humanity. I can not understand why it's not obvious to everybody that 99.9% of the data on the drive was fine BEFORE that """""expert""""" violantly destroyed it while spitting out nonsense about sky being blue, motor rotates and knife doing scratchy noises. DJ Hard Disk in da house.
@@eugenkeller exactly LOL these noobs who dont know anything about data recovery talk bout head crashes like its the worst thing but guy at ontrack could recover 99% of data so easy even in bad hc cases
Mine was clicking, scratching and beeping. Attempted to reset the head placement but it didn't need that as the heads were in place. Looking at the top platter #1 of 3, I see that there are at least 9 scored rings around the top platter going down about 1 inch to the center from outside edge. There are a few metal shavings on the platter too. When I look at the heads. I can see that there is a bent one. Looking at the other heads I one of them looks like a preying mantis at the side waiting for it's prey. It's literally 5 mm off the heads and touching the bottom of the HDD case. Needless to say I'm not very optimistic in getting this fixed!
Nice Video !. I have a pair of bad HDD and I wonder how to make them spin and also make the actuator moves back and forth, my intention is to put it on a display without the cover without connecting to a computer just power, and then see the disk spin and the actuator moves . thanks
the reason its scraping or making that sound when you're turning the disk with it powered off and the head is on the disk, is that when its powered up the air creates a path inbetween the head and the disk which makes it kind of float. kinda like an air hockey table.
I just want to make a little correction that HDD is a western digital caviar green.They are used in USB devices and regular PC's i have one of these Hard drives.
Not sure I understand why the data would be unrecoverable. The ring would only represent only one track, right? Unless it's track #0 where the directory and allocation data is stored, but even then you would still have recoverable data.
My hard drive sort of clicks and doesn't recognize, so I opened it up and the platter looks super clean and fine. However, the end of the thing (IDK the name, I think you call them disks) that goes over the platter is cracked at the head. I assume this is very very bad and that means it's over.. The head of the "disk" the very pointy part on the end, is like cracked and almost bent.
My several LaCie d2 / Quadras have NEVER fallen over! The base plate foot thing is wider than the drive housing! Drives always kept in a safe environment! Since 2007 < J.C.
you are a legend... thankyou sooo much, i recovered my DATA, oh the excitement, it was all pictures and memories of my children... i'm super super excited, thanks heaps for this video
Drives can be stood up. The one in my PS4 has been for a long time because I have the console on a vertical stand. I've been having issues with desktop drive though. When I woke up, my desktop was on and making a loud clicking sound. I wish I could've recorded it but it stopped when I went to record it. The drive's been working weird too, I occasionally will get messages claiming I'm out of storage space on it when there's almost 20 GB left. Even for downloads it said this a couple times
esc1010 lol I just bought one but I haven't transfered windows to it yet. I need to record the sound. It's weird but it almost sounds like normal operation, just louder than normal. It might actually be the hard drive defragging since i had that set up to go automatically which was probably what woke my PC up for no reason. I haven't heard it do it since I got it to stop waking up from sleep on its own
of course they can be stood up, there are many servers which install drives vertically. the problem with getting a standing external drive is that they're usually easy to topple over, and once they topple your data is gonna get fried. even I have a standing external drive, which I keep behind my monitor out of the reach of anyone, though I may end up eventually making it lay on its back just to be safe.
+Hugo Stiglitz that's good, keeping it behind the TV prevents anyone from accidentally toppling it over. now just beware of enemies. ive had a hard drive go like that, a friend was copying stuff to his laptop and he got up without realising that the HDD was connected and my hard drive toppled over and voila 1tb data gone. took it to a recovery center they said they could get 10 data off probably for 1000 dollars.
Nice job guys, do I have got questions. Will it work if I swap the head using the same model, size, first 3 digits of serial number and same firmware version? If it will work, can I use hddsuperclone to clone the hard drive or I still have to use PC3000??
Even if you get the identical parts with all the matching specs ... you still can't replace the head since new drives are all pre-calibrated at the factory with specific settings in the firmware... & it's different for each and every single drive.
Hugo Trujillo I read an article about it... was a while ago so I can't link it. Anyway, the method used to work with older drives.. but now new drives that have like 1 tb on a single platter are many times more dense & the calibration needed is equally more precise.. so even the smallest misalignment will throw the head off... & each drive has differences at this level of precision.. hence requiring a different calibration.
That is not the same as a permanently dead drive, Just shows you do NOT know what you are talking about. You can run a sector by sector recovery of that drive if you move the disk to a different drive case with undamaged heads. I have done it. Anything on that scratch is indeed dead. The heads cannot read because the heads are scratched to hell. The statement "Heads being stuck is not an issue because it is desktop drive" is false. as soon as that happens you risk it damaging sectors. And platter replacement being impossible is ALSO false. It depends on the firmware and the way it writes. If it is on all levels at the same time or one disk at a time. And ive actually worked with IBAS (one of the best recovery firms in the world) Who'm have recovered a disk after it was microwaved at 78% recovery, recovering vital evidence in a case. Formating has nothing to do with being able to replace heads or not. That would be Firmware and start sectors/Boot sector (Not the PC boot but the Harddrive boot sector) Heads are not related to that. Heads are interchangeable. Plates are interchangeable (IF YOU HAVE THE SAME FIRMWARE ON BOTH!!)
Mathias Westerlund yeah i gave an recovery answer longer up this post,, totally right,, he could have taken a sector by sector recovery on this disk, only about 2% of this disk was ACTUALLY damaged :P
Mathias Westerlund i said 0 % chance,, but that was for the man in the street,, DONT try this if you cant fix a toaster,, or boil water,, its a risky business,, but you have to know what you are doing,, but swapping the plates,, its just not worth it anymore,,
Mathias Westerlund , please tell me how. I can’t lose my data. My data is all I have of my kids right now. From an old external Toshiba 1trb. Please. I don’t have much.
Hi. You say that there is no problem removing the top of the hard drive. I always thought that unless this was done under clean room standards it will damage the platter(s). I watched another video which said that it can be done without clean room standards but you would be taking a risk. Just to be clear would you say that it is risk free regarding particles landing on the platter? Thanks, and thanks for posting this video.
Some say that only time you should even try to open HDD is when you try to save not important data from it. I would not even try, as normal room is always full of dust and tolerances inside HDD are too tight for any particles.
Enjoyed watching it taken apart but it appeared to me that you could still retrieve a large part of the data that wasn't scratched. Isn't the large unscratched sections still recorded data? Or is the only data on the disc the smaller outer section from where the scratch occured? I'm just curious if there is a way to recover SOME or the undamaged data, and if not, should we hang on to our platters or hard drives incase technology comes up with a way to do so. Thanks for the learning lesson on damage and disassembly.
Way after anyone probably cares given SSDs but the answer is a big "Well..." The fact is there are companies that do computer forensics and have the equipment to do this. It is astronomically expensive and what you get out of it is going to usually be underwhelming. A few things complicate it aside from what is mentioned in the video. Big one is that as this head was swinging back and forth desperately trying to find the FAT or whatever, it was also sandpapering the surface of the disc. While it might look undamaged there are probably unreadable sections scratched all over each track. Some types of files like images may be at least partially recoverable.
@@tee2567man you’re completely delusional, after a head crash you can easily recover the data, you only wont be able to recover the data on the small portion of the platter where the head smashed, guys at ontrack do that on a daily basis
Nice video with good explanation delivered with patience. I liked everything but liked most the bit where you made effort to improve camera focus so the heads became clearly visible.
Quick question. My heads look good. the platters have no rings or signs of damage. when I turn it on the heads start to move into the reading position and half way there they stop and pull back and a beep is made. i repeats this about 5 times and then turns its self off. any help? please and thank you!!!
Danielle Becerra he just told you in this video to NOT turn your disk on when the lid is off :/ how do you know they was in that position when it was on? you kind of screwed this one up :(
+Thomas Matikainen That it's a bad idea to turn it on with the lid off doesn't mean that the contents are necessarily destroyed in the process - merely that the risk is greater.
A serious data recovery company will charge an extra fee just to thoroughly and carefully clean the platters in a case like this, when the cover has already been removed in a dusty environment... Attempting a recovery with dusty platters is a recipe for disaster.
Hi...What if my portable hard disk makes continuous clicking noise while it still can flash up my folders unfortunately cannot read or open any files at all. Should I attempt your stunt to manually park the head which I think I should keep this attempt to the last when all else fails to help. By the way my hard disk became faulty because of premature removal from USB. Hope you can help.
Great video ! I had to open my disc and the good news is that the plate seems to be ok but unfortunately i saw one small piece of the heads, as you have said i do not believe it will be possible to replace the heads to read the plates, but what do i need to do to recover mi data? do I have to remove the plates and put them on another same model drive? is there any other way? thanks in advance.
A WD5000AAKS came in a Fantom external harddrive I purchased. Will I be able to get the data off it as a bare drive connected to a USB to SATA adaptor without the electronics of Fantom enclosure?
nice video, i have a question, to start i am not new and computers and setting up systems, the new system i set up has 1 4tb, 1 6tb, (1 8tb 3 10tb,helium filled ) i get a sound from one don't know which one it sound is like ( b...b...b...b ..b) like the drives head is moving, but no disk activity as for moving files, all drives smart look good not bug or faults, only as the case is on the desk i hear this or i would never as in the bast the case is on the floor. would this be a normal sound and is there a web page i can go to that have a list of hard drive sounds.
I also have a wd 1tb that felt( 50 60 cm ) and works but it was in box and buble rap allso hit lateral as i was trying to stop it whith my leg from hiting the flor side into a foset filed bag
What is the average cost of data recovery? Also, what is the best place, with the best price, to fix my WD external 500GB drive? My drive was dropped. It clicks, like it wants to run, but it won't. Please advise.
Hello Abraham,I had my external hard drive peeping. I opened it after watching your videos and took the head away from the platter. I closed it and tried it, but still peeps 4 or 5 times and it does not start or make any sound. Then it goes quite. It does not show on my computer and there is a message that comes out not recognized. Could you help me please?
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Head crash. Drive can no longer find the servo data needed.to become ready. Sometimes they can turn a head or 2 off to read data but they have to change the head stack first but that damaged area would just destroy the new set as well. Recovery from this is difficult and usually can't be done
The heads were probably destroyed when it scratched the drive. The heads would servo would just search across the media for a reference point - but with no heads, that was impossible. With a replaced head set, you could have possibly gotten some data. If you magnified 80k x you'd still be unable to see the actual head. What you zoomed in on were probably like pre-amps that the heads use to amplify the electron state. NO CHANCE those heads could work once they've hit each other.
I have an external drive on a mac that's not reading the files, you can hear the disc spinning, it also says drive has ejected on the screen, although i hadn't disconnected it , i really want to save whats on the drive
Hi, very good information. I have 40gb IDE Hard Drive. I formatted it. After formate, HDD is not working. And the disk boot failure message is showing with a blue screen. I also tried to install an operating system. But the disk boot failure message is coming again and again. is it possible to recover data from my HDD?
I like that you’re honest. Most data recovery service dudes will act as if opening your hard drive will cause permanent damage just so you can call them for help and pay up.
These fucking data recovery dudes are mad pei , they let down all of your hopes and asking stupid questions and doesn't have guts to except the challenge , ones they heard about you did open your hard drive ,that's it " I am not touching it " world end up, life is under the thread , I am dying , I m blind , I say keep opening bloody hard disk ,you one day learns things.
can you be more specific? Sounds like by "data recovery service" you mean that guy in the video.
@@khurramsa5133 Why did you open your hard drive?
y’all delusional and cringe 🤣🤣🤣 guys at kroll ontrack could recover anything u just dont know shi bout data recovery
because in the shell is their treasury
Thanks for posting. Just for folks to be aware, if you intend to open a HDD, you need to do it in a clean environment. Airborne dust is sufficient to cause problems when it settles on the platter. Finger prints on the platter are a disaster. Cover your hair and clothing, wear neoprene (or touch sensitive) gloves. Generally parts (such as heads) are not interchangeable. If there is annular scoring as in this example, other tracks/ sectors may be readable. If he scoring is a spiral, that crosses all data tracks and renders the drive scrap metal. You need good light and the steady hands of a surgeon. :) :)
Fascinating to see how these devices work. They are more fragile than I thought. My WD drive is well out of warranty. I think I will crack open the case and see if the platters are intact since I have no idea what caused my drive failure. Thanks for the tech lesson!
the disk is now history, and you are the best history teacher ever. Thanks dude.
I am sorry it couldn' t be repaired, but thank you for showing us the internal mechanics of the hard drive! That was really interesting!
This is so satisfying, i would watch this before going to bed.
I am watching the third video of your hdd help and I am asking my self why I didn't open any. Thank you for inspiration and for lot of helpful informations! :)
The worked for me after two pc shops refused to open the unreadable hard drive. as soon as I opened the case and saw it wasn't in a parked position I figured it was stuck and rotated counterclockwise the disc while dragging the reader head back to parked position and that fixed it. Thanks for sharing!
Well, and then, what happened ? Could you recover everything ?
How long did it work properly after that quick and dirty fix ?
@@idiosyncrazy1980 For an even dirtier fix put the drive on its side and give it a bump into a table. Worked for me, got the drive going but I thought it would work again after that which it did not.
Actually, the read heads are somewhat easy to replace. They have sort of a springy head so the reader can be repelled by the individual magnetic pulls. That springiness also allows for flexibility between platter thicknesses. and that thing about the formatting, all read heads I've seen are the same, they all same amount of turns in the copper coil, and no chip. This means the only electronics in it is the ribbon wire, coil, and heads. The chip that controls the movement is either on a board inside the enclosure, or on the outer board.
To make a long story short, just unplug the reader, unscrew the plastic guide thing that keeps the heads from going too far from the platter, remove the top neodymium magnet, and remove the read heads.
Installation: Unless you plan to save the platters, you don't have to worry about scratching them when removing the heads, just don't let it touch the ones in the new drive. To install them, just do the same thing to remove the damaged heads, then slide the new ones into the plastic guide and screw it down and it should be good to go. Just don't forget to put the magnet back and plug the read head in to the board.
Edit: Nvm, I guess there's more to it then that: ruclips.net/video/J9P4UadRdNA/видео.html
Well, I was mostly right.
have a disk with me to know what happened to it and it no longer works and I want to fix it in the strongest coefficient where it is, I want what is inside it, it is very important to me, Can you show me the strongest coefficient for it
Wow, that's awesome. I'm thinking of doing this myself so I have got questions. Will it work if I swap the head using the same model, size, first 3 digits of serial number and same firmware version?
If it will work, can I use hddsuperclone to clone the hard drive or I still have to use PC3000??
So the noise coming from my computer is where I thought it was. Thanks for showing us this video.
It is possible to recover data from a hard drive with this type of damage. You won't get information that is on the damaged part... but all other areas are recoverable. You just have to have data recovery software that will ignore the read error that you will get when it gets to the end of the drive... Basically, since the heads are damaged, they would be replaced... You will see what you can get before the new ones get damaged, replace the heads again, and start reading again... As long as you get a set of heads that survive going over the damaged area.. you'll get everything on the inner part of the drive that isn't damaged. Which from your video is about 90%-95% of the data.
The alignment issues you are talking about are with the platters being aligned with each other.
When you replace the heads, you use paper to keep them from crashing on each other... you then remove the paper seperaters as you seat the heads on the HDD platters.
Which kind of software? Any recommendation, Welcome. Thanks
no if the controller can't pass the POST!, that kind of damage is a dead one. Atleast not using the original controllers, but a hacked one
no the damaged area would just damage the new set of heads put on the system, Also where it reads to seek and read track 0 is messed up, so it will never be able to become ready UNLESS u turn the head off that reads that platter unless all the platters have that damage.
In a case like this a live PCB swap could do the trick - see the presentation from Scott Moulton ad DefCon15.
Excellent video of what to do, and what NOT to do if attempting this type of repair.
After 6 days of scanning hdd wd red 2tb that fell of the table now I hear clicking noise... gonna buy new one to try this. Thank you
Appreciate what you took time to show us.
12:34 you need to pull out that stopper (shape like a small black rod between the disk and the yellow stuff) so that the reader can pull out.
THank you so much man! I don't know yet if this will work for me, but thanks for explaining what are REALLY the risks to open the HD... vs almost all experts as you said who just say "no ! don't try !!!! you gonna lose all!!"
I have taken the lid off of a working hard drive and used it that way. It will work. Probably not very long. But I was able to read files etc. Not recommended for data recovery, but fun to see it work.
How cool was to watch this vid... made with patience, care and taking us with you in the curiosity of checking every single piece... thank you for the trip, congrats for a great vid!
Thank you for the extensive video. It was indeed informative and fascinating.
I recently discovered your channel to see if I could possible save what I thought was a stuck head on my 2TB HDD and I was confident in opening the drive and unjamming the heads until I found out that all three of my platters had 3-5 rings of very deep scratches...moral of the story: remove your HDDs before transporting a PC
nah, if you shut down the PC the heads should go into the "parking space", where small vibrations are not going to damage them.
I have a Samsung 2.5" HDD, it literally flew and fell on hard floor (turned off), and then... it still worked flawlessly, and was still working last time I checked... But when turned on, even a light shock can mean goodbye for good.
the best thing is to use an ssd i have 4 hdds in my Alienware 17 r2 i have 1x(512gb m.2) and 2 (256gb m.2) and 1 (4tb hdd for steam. all my personal stuff is on a few 128gb sand disk usb drives. my pics and over important docs are on DVDs nobody uses them but they are the best my be slow at reading but will never fail unless you scratch them
most drives can be forced to read specific tracks with specialized interfaces and software, usually provided thru the manufacturer. this can allow retrieval of partial data from non damaged areas, but only if the heads are undamaged. if heads are non functional, some services have success by actually removing the disc platters and mounting them into a new case with good heads, much like a manufacturing process. inspection at microscope levels to determine suitability is essential before choosing what to do, as even minute surface defects will ruin subsequent heads that attempt access to those areas. most recover is a multistep process, first to enable reliable mechanical operation, then read as much data into an external image file, and finally parse the recovered image file for data structure and useable data.
with many systems, the fragmentation of files is extensive and often very time consuming makingit difficult to recover individual consecutive data (however, even partial data can be useful)
very good information. i am a newbie and had no idea why my drive was making that exact noise
It's always interesting to know the expert's opinion.
Yes, but you did not hear one in this video ! :^p
Amazing info! Thank you very much!
I have a ~7 yr old Seagate Barracuda 360GB hard disk, that fell sick few months ago (dunno how, never fell down or something). Luckily, i got a new WD 1TB on time and transferred 98% data safely to the new hdd. I was not able to run it for more than 20-30 mins (temps going 45C+ then BSOD) till 2 days ago when i discovered that it is making one clicking sound then fails to be detected at startup.
I just backed up my data before the hdd died totally.
That's because you're Batman!
Arvin Ardakani
Well, you know.. being billionaire, having batcomputer, and being batman... still have to face common problems :S
Mine is making that same clicking noise too. I was able to recover some data from it but it seems my photos are lost.
@@trulygrateful7217 Ah! :(
The best explanation for this process I have seen so far!👍👍
They said the heads don't touch the surface of the disc while spinning because the air friction slightly lift it up but at 5:35 I can hear noise when it reaches the scratch area which means the heads are in contact with the disc while reading data.
1) The cover is off, as the guy said (one of the few smart things he said in this video) it might mess up the air flow which is required for the heads to fly above the platters - at an extremely small distance though.
2) The deep scratches alter the platters' surface, creating irregularities which look small with the naked eye but are enormous compared with the heads' size and the distance at which they normally fly over the platters - just imagine a Formula 1 car driving on a volcanic landscape...
Surely a head replacement would have helped get some data off the disc though? The head had scratched the disc yes so that data is gone obviously. However the head was also visibly damaged so replacing it (assuming the damage isn't on an important part of initialisation) should surely work in recovering some data? Or does any scratch to any part of any disc make it completely unreadable ?
Informative video..
Good job..
Keep it up and continue for learners..
Thanks..
Jzakallah..
I have the same problem... I purchased a 4tb Seagate external drive, I then proceeded to transfer 20 years of data from 4 smaller external hard drives, totalling around 3tb, onto it. I formatted each one as I finished & used them for other things.. About a week later I was vacuuming, caught the external drives power lead under a table, this caused the drive to fall 2" onto its side & it immediately emitted a nasty screaming/grinding/rotating noise, in the same way that one is..
I strongly suspect my platters now look exactly the same as your one.. I will open it at some point to see, I`ve been avoiding it as I`m kinda hoping it will miraculously fix itself, even though I`m 99% sure its now permanently dead.
The moral of the story is, always back things up at least twice...
I also think I`ll be wrapping my external drives in a couple of layers of bubblewrap in future, just in case..
Indeed that was kinda foolish, to have the opportunity to make a proper backup (having the data on one device only is _not_ a backup), and yet use the older HDDs to hord moar data, probably less worthwhile than those 3TB... You could have recovered part of the older data from those still working drives, depending on how much new data had been written on them since. The damaged HDD could still be partially recovered by a professional data recovery company, if you haven't made a foolish attempt to open it in dusty environment and screw it up for good, but of course it would cost a lotta money, about a whore's day (depending on where you are located it might even be worth ten days of a whore's work, or a kidney).
Buff the damage out with a dremel or successively finer grades of wet'n'dry.
+GaryChap lets hope nobody actually believes this xD
No idiot
Halen Martini HE IS KIDDING.
regarding Halen Martini, sarcasm is high level of humour, it has a limited audience, is not for everyone
Onc cannot sense sarcasm without _at leaset_ a *slight* hint that it is sarcasm. The OP did *Not* hint at sarcasm.
Not sure if platter replacement is completely impossible, hard drive always uses one head at once and i guess it compensates misalignment and eccentricity a little during rotation. But it's just my guess. I believe tracks are too dense to be able to make hard drive perfect mechanically.
I'm wondering why you did not try to recover any data? I had the exact same HDD shown here. It stopped reading any data. So I opened it the same as you. No visual damage was there, but I did make the mistake of turning it on to see if it spins. It did, and the heads went crazy. I put it back together and was able to recover 90% of the data. Somehow opening it let it work again for enough time to copy/paste data to another drive.
Yes true. Some small percentage of the data is gone, but chances are you can restore most of it in a lab. At least 80%.
how?
@@jerichoular7837 probably only an MRI, very expensive process
@@JerrodJohnsonD lol
Thanks for sharing - although I am late to the party. I have a the Western Digital Caviar Green Power 500GB External Hard Disk Drive": It crashed in the year 2525 [ha got carried away in reference to a song] - it actually crashed in 2015! A local shop tech told me that the only way I could recover my data is by obtaining a identical enclosure controller board to read the data? I still have my WD 500GB external hard - I removed the case, but I didn't disassemble the drive itself. I guess I could give it a try again because my toolbox has improved - I own a Thermaltake - BlacX Duet Hard Drive Enclosure Docking Station - Black. any advice?
What are these dents seen at 0:25 on the side of the HDD caused from? I just received a HDD that has these dents and am not sure if I should return it.
It's when they are wieleded by the manifactures nothing wrong
Thanks for this vid. Gives me a better understanding of harddisks.
You can't "force" the drive into the read position! Data recovery centres CAN recover data from such drives and it is likely they could have recovered the data off this drive, prior to dismantling.(obviously there will be some data that cannot be recovered where the heads have crashed into the platter). It does depend on the ability to use the original head (or if they can install new r/w heads). Recovery centres have specialised software to step the heads and control which track is read. The data DOES NOT have to align vertically between platters. There is some form of alignment based purely on the relationship between the heads and how they are mounted on the drive, but this has nothing to do with VERTICAL data alignment.
Today's high capacity drives (usually) have logical allocations. This means the drive to the "end user" may be described for example as 2048 tracks and two r/w heads, while in practice, the physical device may have hardware that uses two platters and four heads. The computer requests the drive to write on track 1056, but the hard drive "logically" locates the appropriate track that "represents" track number 1056. This track could be on the second platter, read and written by head three. The computer does not need to know this logical allocation, this is handled by the embedded software on the hard drive.
Praise the lord and all mystic creatures! Not everybody (including the incompetent car mechanics in the video) is out of his mind. Fills me with hope for humanity.
I can not understand why it's not obvious to everybody that 99.9% of the data on the drive was fine BEFORE that """""expert""""" violantly destroyed it while spitting out nonsense about sky being blue, motor rotates and knife doing scratchy noises. DJ Hard Disk in da house.
@@eugenkeller exactly LOL
these noobs who dont know anything about data recovery talk bout head crashes like its the worst thing but guy at ontrack could recover 99% of data so easy even in bad hc cases
Mine was clicking, scratching and beeping. Attempted to reset the head placement but it didn't need that as the heads were in place. Looking at the top platter #1 of 3, I see that there are at least 9 scored rings around the top platter going down about 1 inch to the center from outside edge. There are a few metal shavings on the platter too. When I look at the heads. I can see that there is a bent one. Looking at the other heads I one of them looks like a preying mantis at the side waiting for it's prey. It's literally 5 mm off the heads and touching the bottom of the HDD case.
Needless to say I'm not very optimistic in getting this fixed!
Nice Video !. I have a pair of bad HDD and I wonder how to make them spin and also make the actuator moves back and forth, my intention is to put it on a display without the cover without connecting to a computer just power, and then see the disk spin and the actuator moves . thanks
the reason its scraping or making that sound when you're turning the disk with it powered off and the head is on the disk, is that when its powered up the air creates a path inbetween the head and the disk which makes it kind of float. kinda like an air hockey table.
I just want to make a little correction that HDD is a western digital caviar green.They are used in USB devices and regular PC's i have one of these Hard drives.
I put HD magnets on the bottom of my engine oil filter to catch any metal particles if any are floating around.
Not sure I understand why the data would be unrecoverable. The ring would only represent only one track, right? Unless it's track #0 where the directory and allocation data is stored, but even then you would still have recoverable data.
My hard drive sort of clicks and doesn't recognize, so I opened it up and the platter looks super clean and fine. However, the end of the thing (IDK the name, I think you call them disks) that goes over the platter is cracked at the head. I assume this is very very bad and that means it's over.. The head of the "disk" the very pointy part on the end, is like cracked and almost bent.
what if you turn the disk upside down and reassembly it, could it read the data?
My several LaCie d2 / Quadras have NEVER fallen over!
The base plate foot thing is wider than the drive housing!
Drives always kept in a safe environment!
Since 2007 <
J.C.
you are a legend... thankyou sooo much, i recovered my DATA, oh the excitement, it was all pictures and memories of my children... i'm super super excited, thanks heaps for this video
How could _this_ video help you recover data in any way ? O_o
Drives can be stood up. The one in my PS4 has been for a long time because I have the console on a vertical stand.
I've been having issues with desktop drive though. When I woke up, my desktop was on and making a loud clicking sound. I wish I could've recorded it but it stopped when I went to record it. The drive's been working weird too, I occasionally will get messages claiming I'm out of storage space on it when there's almost 20 GB left. Even for downloads it said this a couple times
"loud clicking sound"
back your shit up and buy a new drive asap
esc1010 lol I just bought one but I haven't transfered windows to it yet.
I need to record the sound. It's weird but it almost sounds like normal operation, just louder than normal. It might actually be the hard drive defragging since i had that set up to go automatically which was probably what woke my PC up for no reason.
I haven't heard it do it since I got it to stop waking up from sleep on its own
of course they can be stood up, there are many servers which install drives vertically. the problem with getting a standing external drive is that they're usually easy to topple over, and once they topple your data is gonna get fried. even I have a standing external drive, which I keep behind my monitor out of the reach of anyone, though I may end up eventually making it lay on its back just to be safe.
Dhruv1223 I also have an external standing vertically behind a TV. Cable doesn't quite reach the input so I stood it up to get some extra slack
+Hugo Stiglitz that's good, keeping it behind the TV prevents anyone from accidentally toppling it over. now just beware of enemies. ive had a hard drive go like that, a friend was copying stuff to his laptop and he got up without realising that the HDD was connected and my hard drive toppled over and voila 1tb data gone. took it to a recovery center they said they could get 10 data off probably for 1000 dollars.
Nice job guys, do I have got questions. Will it work if I swap the head using the same model, size, first 3 digits of serial number and same firmware version?
If it will work, can I use hddsuperclone to clone the hard drive or I still have to use PC3000??
Please talk about the tools used so we can do this ourselves.
what size torx was used to remove the platter ring at 10:37 on...i can seem to find on in my kit that fits?( same WD 500 gig drive it appears)
Even if you get the identical parts with all the matching specs ... you still can't replace the head since new drives are all pre-calibrated at the factory with specific settings in the firmware... & it's different for each and every single drive.
+Advection357 who told you that?
Hugo Trujillo I read an article about it... was a while ago so I can't link it. Anyway, the method used to work with older drives.. but now new drives that have like 1 tb on a single platter are many times more dense & the calibration needed is equally more precise.. so even the smallest misalignment will throw the head off... & each drive has differences at this level of precision.. hence requiring a different calibration.
That is not the same as a permanently dead drive, Just shows you do NOT know what you are talking about. You can run a sector by sector recovery of that drive if you move the disk to a different drive case with undamaged heads.
I have done it. Anything on that scratch is indeed dead. The heads cannot read because the heads are scratched to hell.
The statement "Heads being stuck is not an issue because it is desktop drive" is false. as soon as that happens you risk it damaging sectors.
And platter replacement being impossible is ALSO false.
It depends on the firmware and the way it writes. If it is on all levels at the same time or one disk at a time.
And ive actually worked with IBAS (one of the best recovery firms in the world) Who'm have recovered a disk after it was microwaved at 78% recovery, recovering vital evidence in a case.
Formating has nothing to do with being able to replace heads or not. That would be Firmware and start sectors/Boot sector (Not the PC boot but the Harddrive boot sector)
Heads are not related to that. Heads are interchangeable.
Plates are interchangeable (IF YOU HAVE THE SAME FIRMWARE ON BOTH!!)
Mathias Westerlund yeah i gave an recovery answer longer up this post,, totally right,, he could have taken a sector by sector recovery on this disk, only about 2% of this disk was ACTUALLY damaged :P
Mathias Westerlund i said 0 % chance,, but that was for the man in the street,, DONT try this if you cant fix a toaster,, or boil water,, its a risky business,, but you have to know what you are doing,, but swapping the plates,, its just not worth it anymore,,
please i need a help in recovering my data on my hard drive can you help me?
Mathias Westerlund , please tell me how. I can’t lose my data. My data is all I have of my kids right now. From an old external Toshiba 1trb. Please. I don’t have much.
An excellent tutorial of how to destroy a hard disk that still was recoverable.
At 8:26 he says spinning it "Counter Clockwise" while he is spinning it Clockwise
Hi. You say that there is no problem removing the top of the hard drive. I always thought that unless this was done under clean room standards it will damage the platter(s). I watched another video which said that it can be done without clean room standards but you would be taking a risk. Just to be clear would you say that it is risk free regarding particles landing on the platter? Thanks, and thanks for posting this video.
Some say that only time you should even try to open HDD is when you try to save not important data from it. I would not even try, as normal room is always full of dust and tolerances inside HDD are too tight for any particles.
Noticed the head and players, question would it be possible to replace ( the same) players upside down as it appears only one side damaged??????
It's gonna damage the other side as well... lol
My harddisk does the same thing at 5:35, can it be fixed?
At least you can get the very strong magnets! I have many of them myself!!!
OMG..Yeahh..
Kya aap damage platter s data recovery kar sakte hai???
Enjoyed watching it taken apart but it appeared to me that you could still retrieve a large part of the data that wasn't scratched. Isn't the large unscratched sections still recorded data? Or is the only data on the disc the smaller outer section from where the scratch occured? I'm just curious if there is a way to recover SOME or the undamaged data, and if not, should we hang on to our platters or hard drives incase technology comes up with a way to do so. Thanks for the learning lesson on damage and disassembly.
Way after anyone probably cares given SSDs but the answer is a big "Well..." The fact is there are companies that do computer forensics and have the equipment to do this. It is astronomically expensive and what you get out of it is going to usually be underwhelming. A few things complicate it aside from what is mentioned in the video. Big one is that as this head was swinging back and forth desperately trying to find the FAT or whatever, it was also sandpapering the surface of the disc. While it might look undamaged there are probably unreadable sections scratched all over each track. Some types of files like images may be at least partially recoverable.
@@tee2567man you’re completely delusional, after a head crash you can easily recover the data, you only wont be able to recover the data on the small portion of the platter where the head smashed, guys at ontrack do that on a daily basis
Not true. Some small percentage of the data is gone, but chances are you can restore most of it in a lab. At least 80%.
Exactly, and he is just destroying customer data. If you cant repair, why screw it more? hand it to someone more experienced.
Nice video with good explanation delivered with patience. I liked everything but liked most the bit where you made effort to improve camera focus so the heads became clearly visible.
Quick question. My heads look good. the platters have no rings or signs of damage. when I turn it on the heads start to move into the reading position and half way there they stop and pull back and a beep is made. i repeats this about 5 times and then turns its self off. any help? please and thank you!!!
Danielle Becerra he just told you in this video to NOT turn your disk on when the lid is off :/ how do you know they was in that position when it was on? you kind of screwed this one up :(
+Danielle Becerra may be the control, board
+Thomas Matikainen That it's a bad idea to turn it on with the lid off doesn't mean that the contents are necessarily destroyed in the process - merely that the risk is greater.
A serious data recovery company will charge an extra fee just to thoroughly and carefully clean the platters in a case like this, when the cover has already been removed in a dusty environment... Attempting a recovery with dusty platters is a recipe for disaster.
my drive had this same damage. i sent it to data recovery and are able to recovered most of my data.
Where are recovering your data
what have i to do if my hard drive is clicking and when it clicks the Pc didn't finds it?.... please help me my hard drive is a toshiba 720gb
Hi...What if my portable hard disk makes continuous clicking noise while it still can flash up my folders unfortunately cannot read or open any files at all. Should I attempt your stunt to manually park the head which I think I should keep this attempt to the last when all else fails to help. By the way my hard disk became faulty because of premature removal from USB. Hope you can help.
Great video ! I had to open my disc and the good news is that the plate seems to be ok but unfortunately i saw one small piece of the heads, as you have said i do not believe it will be possible to replace the heads to read the plates, but what do i need to do to recover mi data? do I have to remove the plates and put them on another same model drive? is there any other way? thanks in advance.
A WD5000AAKS came in a Fantom external harddrive I purchased. Will I be able to get the data off it as a bare drive connected to a USB to SATA adaptor without the electronics of Fantom enclosure?
What kind of screw driver do you use? How is it called?
You should put the screw on the pivot of the moving arm that support the heads.
what are you using to take out that center at 11 mins , it looks like your turning it clockwise to undo the screws,, I can not undo mine.
nice video, i have a question, to start i am not new and computers and setting up systems,
the new system i set up has 1 4tb, 1 6tb, (1 8tb 3 10tb,helium filled ) i get a sound from one don't know which one it sound is like ( b...b...b...b ..b) like the drives head is moving, but no disk activity as for moving files, all drives smart look good not bug or faults, only as the case is on the desk i hear this or i would never as in the bast the case is on the floor. would this be a normal sound and is there a web page i can go to that have a list of hard drive sounds.
What size screws are those?. I have a clicking external seagate I want to take a look at.
I also have a wd 1tb that felt( 50 60 cm ) and works but it was in box and buble rap allso hit lateral as i was trying to stop it whith my leg from hiting the flor side into a foset filed bag
My drive looks very similar to this except the circle is toward the center. Is my data completely lost?
What if I accidentally scratched the disk with the star screwdriver?
What do you do if the hard drive does nothing at all? No sound whatsoever? It just doesn't work. Thank you for great information!
Can't you just replace the read/write heads? What about the data beyond the scratched area? Is that data not retrievable?
So there is now way you can recover the data from those platter disks ? or is there a way ?
What is the average cost of data recovery? Also, what is the best place, with the best price, to fix my WD external 500GB drive? My drive was dropped. It clicks, like it wants to run, but it won't. Please advise.
Hello Abraham,I had my external hard drive peeping. I opened it after watching your videos and took the head away from the platter. I closed it and tried it, but still peeps 4 or 5 times and it does not start or make any sound. Then it goes quite. It does not show on my computer and there is a message that comes out not recognized. Could you help me please?
Hi.
My needle/head goes back and forth and it looks like the disc doesn't spin at full speed. I can't read the harddrive on my PC. Any ideas? Regards
Maybe swap controller board (pcb) with one from donor drive of same manufacture and factory.
I am quit sure forensic will recovery the undamaged part of disk and rebuild the fs
The hard drive motor can be used as a stationary grinder. Done that several times.
you have to use a high contrast background to help your camera focus something black and white for instance with crisp edges
Resp Sir! How to Heads Adjusted or New Replaced Sir. Or not Posible Sir. Please Advise Sir. -- ChinnaRao Paderu Andhrapradesh India
can a bad head cause the hard drive not to power up with a transfer power supply cable?
I always save the magnets. they are super strong :)
Word?😎
same
Still possible retrieve data from this damaged surface if it really necessary.
Resp Sir! Same Hardisk SMD Capacitors Shorted Sir and 25 Values Desplyaed with Beep Sound Sir and IC was Heated Sir. Sir IC Fail Sir or Not Sir. Please Advise Sir. Thank U Sir. Ur Each and Every Vedios I am Seeing Sir. -- ChinnaRao Paderu Andhrapradesh, India.
can you put oil in the bearings of the disk so it wont get stuck again?
Head crash. Drive can no longer find the servo data needed.to become ready. Sometimes they can turn a head or 2 off to read data but they have to change the head stack first but that damaged area would just destroy the new set as well. Recovery from this is difficult and usually can't be done
Did this give you the dreaded In/out error, no bootable device found?
The heads were probably destroyed when it scratched the drive. The heads would servo would just search across the media for a reference point - but with no heads, that was impossible. With a replaced head set, you could have possibly gotten some data. If you magnified 80k x you'd still be unable to see the actual head. What you zoomed in on were probably like pre-amps that the heads use to amplify the electron state. NO CHANCE those heads could work once they've hit each other.
I have an external drive on a mac that's not reading the files, you can hear the disc spinning, it also says drive has ejected on the screen, although i hadn't disconnected it , i really want to save whats on the drive
Question: if you put one of those disks in a dvd player, could it read it?
Yeah
Very Informative....Thanks for your time !
Hi, very good information. I have 40gb IDE Hard Drive. I formatted it. After formate, HDD is not working. And the disk boot failure message is showing with a blue screen. I also tried to install an operating system. But the disk boot failure message is coming again and again. is it possible to recover data from my HDD?
If you formatted your disk, the data is loss.
Anyway, you can connect your disk as secondary and use software to recover data (r-studio).
Is it possible to install the disc in another driver, JUST the disc
Yes but U have to be very careful
Oh okay, I'll keep that in mind and yeah thanks