Full stall went wrong during paragliding SIV training. PLS share your thoughts in the comments.
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- The pilots fist ever full stall went bad: it was asymetric, the wing twisted and thus the pilot lost control. The wing went into a spiral dive. First the pilot wanted to throw the reserve, but as no commando from the trainer was coming, he left the reserve handle and reached out the lines over the twist, grabbed some lines, pulled, deepend the dive - wrong lines! and then pulled other lines, that turned out to be the stabilo and luckily it was enough to end the spiral. Finding the steering lines over the twist he subsequently recovered control, turned towards landing site, untwisted, tried to secure the half-pulled reserve handle and landed safely.
Good recovery considering all the line twists! I would probably have tossed the laundry.
Schön gemacht!
For doing full stall in 2 times, what i see could coming from a non symetric bracking or/and you dont stay well centred in your seat, so maybe hold ur break more deep/constant and symetric and watch your sit. Hope its help
I'm just learning how to ground hand when I love that comment thank you very much
In my opinion he just got lucky......
With all those linetwists and the deep spiral throwing the reserve would be the smartest option,, just pulling on some lines seems like a dumb thing to do...
I am happy it worked out this time
You are right, I grabbed the rescue handle as soon I started to spiral, but since I got no command over the radio to throw it, I assumed that I still have time to figure sth out. If I were there alone without the trainer supervision, I would throw it for sure, as I was pretty low
@@paraglidingSafety can i give my two cents... ok i will anyway... waiting til autorotation to reach for handle is lazy cause you left it til the deploy is harder and the success of opening is lower. if you begin with this knowledge then you make your flying of the cravat or big collapse or twistloc more diciplined
ahhh this is a good one too....
happy to help...any onboard video too?
that was my first ever full stal, made me nervous for some weeks afterwards :) no onboard vid
@@paraglidingSafety"makes me nervous for weeks" 😆
Remember me at my headdown tries durng skydiving where I spinned onces out of control like a drill bit (green-blue-green-blue-green-blue...) and where I needed almost 800m in freefall to stabilice me.
After that headdowns were "forbidden" for months... 😆
I'm just getting my license and I worry about accidentally doing this. I like the suggestion box where the guy just started pulling lines to get out of trouble. I'm still ground handling I haven't epsilon 9 I bought and the lessons to get the basic license. This looks like a c Wing. Is this a C wing?
paragliding is an extreme sport, but I think that if you fly at a safe site at time of day where there is no strong thermal activity (before noon and evenings) and with weak wind this is unlikely to happent to you. this was abeginner wing, a low B Ozone Geo 5, the problem was not the wing, but the pilot who broke iot so hard that it has deflated, lost its form and direction and twisted. just fly a lot in safe conditions and do a lot of siv/acro before goint to fly in strong thermal/wind conditions, paragliding is a lot of fun!
pulling the lines to get out of trouble wa a bad idea, that accidentaly worked out here, but the right reaction was a resereve parachute throw
@@paraglidingSafety I live all alone as far as being a pilot there's no-one anybody else around here to fly with me. I got the biggest epsilon 9 and I'm just about to heavy. I get towed up in the air at the school a bunch of times and then I try some foot launches and then I go home and I'm free to do whatever I think will work. I have one farm with a big hill I can try to fly from and then I'm going to fly along The ridges hopefully and not getting too much trouble. There's a lot of places to land here. I want to get up to cloud base of wind from my friends farm and throw out a bag of cornstarch. Then the cornstarch makes rain fall on his farm when the cloud flies over. The sooner I can fly up on a thermal and try to get it to rain on somebody's farm the sooner I get invitations to every farm in the counties where I live. The advance company recommends flying hands up in turbulence. I figure a weight shift philosophy stay out of the brakes get used to the faster dive angle. When you get closer to the ground, use both brakes a little bit . Slow down and make some circle turns above the field where you're thinking about landing. So far I am planning on flying back to my car after I fly back and forth in front of a ridge for a few hours if I'm lucky.
@@markmcgoveran6811 are you human?
@@paraglidingSafety I'm a sub human. I worked on a
Blood-stained boat, for 13 years, under the Jones act. My parents died and I have a little bit of money not much really so I spent it on an epsilon 9 and the lessons to learn to fly.
Was ist das für eine Schirmklasse?
low b, ozone geo 5
First I thought the pilot should get a another glider, this one stalls a bit tricky. But his input seems to be a bit heavy handed as well. There is certainly a lack of knowledge and experience on how a wing behaves. I mean basic stuff like how the breaks work or to detect a messed up glider (I refer to the deformation at 00:12 and the inputs up to this point). For other pilots in similar situations I suggest to leave the stall for a moment, work on airtime (thermaling) and ground handling and come back when you feel better prepared. Don't force it too much. You can see the poor outcome in the other videos on this channel. Axalp is a nice place to train, but In my opinion you should not compensate skill with your rescue gear. ;)
thank you for sharing your thougts! this was my first ever full stall, it was at a siv training and it was supposed to be very deep breaking - this is how the first stalls are tought, to avoid the wing shooting forward in an incontrolled manner. Previously, I was flying themals and cross country, but stalls just do not happen during this type of flying. I also regularily went ground handling. This summer I started learing stalls and I did some 200 stalls over water, 4 days supervised at SIV and then 4 weeks unsupervised acro-training in Axalp and I was surprised how slowly I have progressed, but I did, and only at the end of this, my stalls became more predictible. During this, I have consulted on me learining stalls first with SIV trainer and later with some experienced acro pilots who have seen me flying and they all told me that I can practice it safely. Whatever I do, I am "a heavy handed" initiually and as I progress my moves become finer. In this case, I believe that my fear agains stall accentuated it even stronger, so that my full stalls were too deep very very long. But, I got used to stalls, this fear stopped overhelming me and I got a bit more confident and precise. During my stalls, few gone wrong things happend: once, I surpisingly found my hand up, resulting in strong shooting forward and I managed to brake it correctly, I also got twisted 4 times, and this made my kinda got used to twist so that my reaction to twist evolved and I even managed to leave backfly exactly at the moment of twisting to the other side :) To sum up my thoughts: 1. I think you cannot learn this stuff from flying thermals, 2. ground handling "in reverse" - nose down is a great excercise for stalls, 3. it was hard for me to progress on stalls, although I have seen others with similar level of a priori flying experience and making progress much faster, 4. stall is potentiually mortally dangerous, needs some level of skill to start learning it and oversight from SIV trainers/experienced acro pilots. 5. once they qualify you as ok to train, you just have to train and 6. many people said that the progress on stalls is slow and unsteady 7. twisting from time to time and throwing recue seems to be a part of the process and is training on its own right. Hopefully someone experienced can comment on this. Cheers!
and regarding the wing, at some point during the training I have swithce dto high-b wind and at the end of the training I did some stalls on this low-b wing and they went fine. Thus you can do stalls on both, but my impression was that it is easier to learn on a high-b wind than on a low-b one
@@paraglidingSafety this is one way to approach Acro. I prefer another one:
1. Airtime gives you the finesse for timing inputs and a feel for responses of the glider (personal experience) 2. ok 3. this might be a sign that some basics are missing and prevent one from connecting the parts together. Like understanding a cause of error or building up the feeling on how a glider reacts in certain configurations. 4. I don't know. I am the one in charge for my actions 5. I prefer to train with more quality than quantity 6. don't know, I do not compare my progression to others 7. oh no, not with full stalls on a b.
@@paraglidingSafety yes i am experienced with 3000 stalls maybe but not because i enjoy...tho do enjoy but mostly for the exact reasons your give here...i think you are aiming to be good xc pilot not just good SIV pilot. very good attitude bro...
@@paraglidingSafety stalls on B wing C wing all same...two liner bit more tricky because well only 2 sets risers and tendency to stay cravated and potential power of autorotation of high AR high performance kites. dont worry what people advise you with wings... your aiming for two liners then one day you need to be self siv on 2 liners...but when your ready...maybe 1000 backflies first...best way to get 1000 is heli training. no secret.
Faster stall might be safer for very first tries?
breaking faster is better then slower for sure, here, there was probably some hesitation sinc it was the first stall ever
@@paraglidingSafety for my first ones the instructor briefed as such: if the wing is not stalled in 3 seconds we exit and restart
Very good control, breaking the control. Never seen such a nasty twist from a “simple” full stall, was the pilot doing it with the wind from the side?
twists happen easyily if the wing is fully deflated and losses its form
@@paraglidingSafety absolutely correct. but there sis something your dont mention which makes twist easier..2 things...you need better control of...can you tell us...now your been there?
What wing is it? It seems like a huge deformation for a low b
Edit: geo5
how strong the wing deforms is defined by how deep and how long you hold the breaks - if done deep and long enough to deflate the wind completely, all possible deformation may happen. The trick is to stall the wing and at the same time keep it inflated so that it keeps the form and doesn't deform, but you cannot expect this to happen on a first stall ever, and breaking more keeps you on the safer side regarding possible aggresive leaving stall by wing shooting forward, see my other video demonstrating that :)
@@paraglidingSafety alright, I've done my first stalls with max brakes maintained… but symmetric and fast start. Thankfully no such deformation :o
Diapers are must have and required on windy days ..
As a former skydiver and now private pilot I have to say, this is one of the reasons why I prefer abfixed wing instead of an tea bagbabove my head... 😆
Eindrehen kann ich mich da schonmal nicht.
that's bananas Joe, you should check out the evolution of wings from the original ram air parachute to high AR wings that are now regularly flown more than 500k in a day.
One doesn't know, what they don't know...not one pilot I personally know has ever needed to throw ( their reserve parachute