damnit, i was just about to type in something like that, Miller, Quesada, Bendis, and a few others make up that list for me. you win this round Yourpetcat Meow.
I don't think Frank Miller was ever a "good guy." Even reading his early work, you can detect fascist and sexist undertones and that he just sees superheroes as people with more power behind their punches. This is especially apparent in The Dark Knight Rises, where Bruce Wayne is effectively killed off by his Batman personality because he's "weak" and Batman doesn't use any of his detective skills or genius intellect to stop a fight, preferring to just wail on the bad guys with his fists or varying firearms. And he reduced Selena Kyle to a madam for an escort service, who gets captured and has to rely on Batman to save her. I could go on, but Miller's always has these traits he gets flack for today. He's just less subtle about it now.
The "Hawk becomes Monarch" thing is the equivalent of canceling someone's carefully-arranged surprise birthday party because they found out, and instead hastily throwing a different party for someone else who it's not even the birthday of.
"It just makes me wanna DESTROY THE WORLD! So it's a good thing I don't have super powers." Nope, just a large arsenal of magical weaponry, a giant robot and a gigantic space ship designed for intergalactic conquest.
* spends entire episode hoping Cassandra Cain would make the list * * gets to number 2, gives up on the idea, thinking it's probably going to be an A-lister taking the number one spot * * is pleasantly surprised to find Cassandra reaching the number one spots on acts of stupidity * * then remembers that this isn't a good thing *
Whenever Jason Todd gets mentioned I think of Under The Red Hood and I can't help but remember some of Jason's dialogue from that and how it actually made me feel really bad for him. That was a good movie. Not sure about the comics, but I thought they did him justice in that movie.
Linkara: it's a good thing I have no superpowers Also Linkara: *has a spaceship, magic gun, working power rangers morpher, working duel disk, and pokeball with a Pyramid Head in it*
HA! The video was originally uploaded in April. 2009. But yeah, in regard to what he gained later on. Well, I think Bender from Futurama put it best "Now that is irony."
I think the very idea of a hero just suddenly becoming a villain is really stupid. Yeah if you can really justify it in some real and dramatic way then fine but most of the time it just seems cheap and comes out of nowhere.
#4: to be fair, Marvel has addressed the whole "no such thing as Chaos Magic" thing with an explanation that, as Sorcerer Supreme, Strange was REQUIRED to say that in order to keep the corrupted Elder Gods such as Cthon-who actually influenced the development of Wanda's powers-as weak as possible. Because apparently demon gods have the same weakness as Tinkerbell.
Joshua Morrison Yeah...it was a stupid thing since Strange has *used* chaos magic. Including an adventure where he had to use it to rewrite the universe after a group of magicians rewrote reality with it to begin with.
Back peddling retcon, almost as bad as the whole Xorneto thing. Par for the course when it comes to Bendis and his "don't give a f*ck" attitude towards the canon and continuity outside of his own work.
I love Superboy Prime. He's essentially a fanboy. A very traditional turned very angry fanboy. And he's so powerful it's great. I dont think there's a fan of anything anywhere that dont long for some of the earlier forms they were introduced to. So in a sense Superboy Prime is a part of all the fans given life in the form of a very angry version of probably the most iconic comic character ever, who of course is Superman
Yep Superboy-Prime is essentially the modern-day comic book fan in comic form. Aka the so-called "fan" who throws a temper-tantrum like he's/she's 2 or 3 years old when something changes or it's not the way he/she wants it. Embarrassingly enough most of the "nostalgia-blind Anti SJW fans" pretty much act like this. Case in point the "fans" who act like Superbrat-Prime are throwing a temper-tantrum over the current Excalibur comics why because Betsy Braddock aka Psylocke is once again Captain Britain and not her brother Brian, even though this time Betsy is actually getting a proper run with the Captain Britain mantel unlike the last time she had it which resulted in a certain incident involving The Hand we don't like to talk about.
I understand that the main goal of the show is to showcase aweful comics, but I must make a request. Could there perhaps be a "Best villains turning heroes" episode.
i just had an idea for a dumb one more day what-if like what if mephisto turned spidey into a new ghost rider in exchange for aunt may's life only instead he'd be called ghost webslinger basically a flaming skeleton spider-man with webs made of fire
Your criticisms of Raven's frequent relapses into evil remind me of another character, Jean Grey. How many times has she died and been resurrected by The Phoenix Force? It seems like that is just as much of a creative crutch as having Raven succumb to Trigon's will.
+Carlisle the Cinephile Shit, Naruto's relationship with the Nine-Tailed Fox Demon was a better story than either Grey or Raven repeatedly becoming evil.......
Luisa Bravo I know this comment is almost a year old, but you don't appear to have gotten a reply, so it's pretty much just Uncanny X-Men/New Teen Titans.
+legomaniac213 Not sure how that applies to Kefka...or Ultimecia, or Jecht although he's not really the main villain. Also I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to Zeromus (or whatever his name was) from FFIV, so I'm not getting your statement. Did that happen in the recent final fantasies or what?
legomaniac213 Sorry but that still doesn't apply to most of them. I have seen that vibe before in other villains, but I draw a blank when it comes to Final Fantasy villains up to 12. I mean again, Ultimecia last I checked didn't care for those suffering considering she was the one responsible in the first place. Same goes with Kefka who just wanted to see the world burn. Pretty sure that doesn't apply to Sephiroth.
Wow. Rewatching this episode years later, and mostly it's great, but there is one thing I noticed: Madelyne didn't become the Goblin Queen because Scott left her. She turned after meeting Sinister and learning that she was a clone created for the sole purpose of having a child. Pretty much all of her villain rants include the phrase "Breeding Sow" and her main goal throughout Inferno was to get her son back and kill him, because he was the ultimate symbol of how she was used.
Agrred! THere are way worse heel turns in X-Men, in both writing and characterization, than her too that he could have listed. But Linkara also apparently never read Gen X, since he didn't know who Angelo/Skin was a few episodes back.
While I do defend Jason Todd becoming the Red Hood and Hal Jordan becoming Parallax, I will never jump to the defense of Superboy Prime. Actually, as a threat, Superboy Prime is kind of scary. Think about it: a completely insane version of Superman with all of his strengths and none of weaknesses that will destroy all of reality. That could have been a fascinating character. But instead, he's just a whiny bitch who won't shut the hell up! "EVERYTHING WAS BETTER ON MY EARTH!" "I'LL KILL YOU TO DEATH!" "YOU'RE RUINING EVERYTHING!" God! SHUT UP! Not to mention, his sympathetic qualities just got lower and lower. When he first showed up, I felt kind of sorry for the fact that he lost his planet. And, at first, I could understand why he viewed the inhabitants of Earth 1 as degenerates since there had been so much violence in DC since Crisis on Infinite Earths. So what does Superboy Prime do? Try to kill everybody because they aren't from his perfect earth! Conner Kent even points out this hypocrisy, but Superboy Prime just continues whining. If he was mute, he'd be a million times more compelling.
Bryant Langmuir Oddly early Image had a much better darker Superman, Supreme. Though he later, along with much of their lineup, got a relaunch; I read it in the collection "Supreme: The Story of the Year" by Alan Moore, very excellent read. Superboy Prime was a ridiculous being, able to beat people that mop the floor with Supes, immune to all his weaknesses, almost a parody of his being unbeatable. I say toss him and Doomsday into a pocket dimension with no way out and leave em.
I completely feel your rage over the ruining of Cassandra Cain (I prefer her as Black Bat over Batgirl), she is one of my favorite superheroines (and superheroes in general) of all time. I love how idealistic she is, in spite of the fact that both of her parents are assassins and supervillains. And I love the fact that like Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake; Cassie was adopted by Bruce Wayne. She is, in my opinion, one of the most criminally underutilized superheroes in DC.
She's also a mentally disabled superhero who isn't treated as stupid or crazy, whose challenges are real and difficult but don't diminish her as a person. As a disabled fan, there is NO character like her for me.
Red Lantern Reviews Yes, he was revealed to be a character called The Outsider. They killed off Alfred at one point because someone decided they shouldn't have three males living in one house (Um, what? Had they not heard of something called a dormitory?). This mysterious, super-powered character began menacing The Dynamic Duo. It's unknown who the writers intended The Outsider to be, but it wasn't Alfred. However, the Batman TV series (the one with Adam West and Burt Ward) had Alfred, so the editors who killed Alfred in the first place said, "We need Alfred back." As a result The Outsider was revealed to be Alfred and cured of his mutated criminal condition. Yeah. There are some weird stories from the comic book industry.
Happy Hogan received an transformation like this as well. Hell, I'm surprised Iron Man didn't make the list considering how they treated him during The Crossing and Civil War.
Joseph Gillespie Normally I would agree, but the city of Arkham was created by H.P. Lovecraft. The Arkham Asylum in Batman started as a reference. Basicly what I'm trying to say is: This ties Batman to the Cthulhu Mythos.
Okay, I'm gonna defend Superboy Prime here. Him turning into an evil injustice-like Superman doesn't really make sense if you think about it since mentally he isn't Superman. Superboy Prime was just a normal kid who was a fan of comic books and suddenly got powers of his favourite hero. He then had to fight in a multiversal battle which ended up destroying most of the Earth's including his own which means he lost his parents, his friends, his girlfriend, all of it. In the end it made him homesick. He was then forced to watch the people he looked up to turn dark and, in his and other's minds, bad. All of that, including the manipulation from Alexander Luthor, slowly turned him insane. That line was finally passed when he accidentaly started killing heroes because he couldn't control his power properly. Remeber people, this isn't a character with a Superman-like mentality since he wasn't raised with one, he is just a fan who suddenly got his powers. In the end, the outcome makes sense.
18:56 Darkseid on a couch. It could be worse...Thanos could be sitting on a recliner, wearing an "I donut donut" shirt, eating freshly made popcorn, all while binge watching NCIS on Netflix.
CN What I'm Saiyan? - I think the only shows I've ever liked from CBS are The Amazing Race and Under the Dome. Dome became shit and I've lost interest in TAR.
cloudtx I think I only caught glimpses of Race and Survivor. My mom binges NCIS but she lost interest after Ziva and Tony left. The only other shows she watches is Criminal Minds and Mom. Me, I sometimes watch Colbert but not as frequent as Meyers, Oliver, Noah, and Bee.
CN What I'm Saiyan? - I recommend Race. The good thing about it is that you can start with just about any season and not feel lost. The only problem I have with it is that if the team or individual competitor you're rooting for loses then you don't even care to continue watching. That has happened to me more than once.
Since we're a few months from 2020, let me say that the 2010s have been a terrible decade. Celebrities are either dying or getting accused of misconduct, everything from intellectual properties to entire countries are being ruined by incompetent, greedy hacks, and everything has to have some kind of social or political agenda behind it. The SJWs and anti-SJWs alone are enough to make _me_ want to destroy the world. At this rate, I fear how much of this stuff will carry over into the next decade.
@@autumndidact6148 No, _you_ are part of the problem. You're introducing conflict where conflict isn't needed. I'm not starting an argument with you, so why are you starting an argument with me? I'm not allowed to talk about _my_ problems with the world? I'm not trying to be "edgy", I'm just pissed off at this political climate that we're living in. What's edgy about that?
@@Bauglir100 The president of the United States is an open white supremacist. The conflict is here, and the monsters have the power. Trying to supress conflict only enables them to run wild.
Let’s be honest most of the bat-family has gone bad. Grayson becoming renegade, Tim and Damian both became evil Batmen in the future, Jason came back from the dead a bad guy, Azreal was a bad guy in the 90s, there was a hole event of evil Bruces. I could keep going
To this day I still think Civil War was the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel Comics, they simply could not stop trying to copy that event again and again for years derailing other stories in favor of more even comics, to the point where a Civil War 2 was even made. Ridiculous.
Kyle had some good villains, like Effigy and Grayven. Also that guy he recruited to make a new GLC and then once Kyle turned around, the guy used the ring to take over his world and then used a time-warp to cheat
Superboy prime should be a really cool idea. He's Superman, but from OUR earth, and instead of just escaping from an exploding Krypton, he escaped from his entire universe as it exploded. Then he was thrust into a fantastical multiverse filled with millions of other Superheroes and wonders beyond his comprehension. Any writer who cared could have made that into something amazing...
I hate what they did to Wanda, she was so much better in her earlier appearances. Cassandra Cain is my favorite Batgirl, so turning her into a villain pissed me off to no end. I just stick to reading her solo series and turn a blind eye to what they try to do to her in recent works.
I've been reading her original solo series and I'm nearing the end (next up is issue #70). I think I won't be reading any of her other series based on this video.
Oh mighty mangoes. Conquering the multi universes is H A R D . If obly there was a way to relieve the physical exhaustion of floating thru space. Wait. Perhaps i could... ... ... S I T T
By the way ... the entire "One More Day" shit was a ripoff of a Flash story (Wally West and his beloved Linda Park give up their love for one another in some sort of a twisted scheme to save the other one's life, orchestrated by Mephisto-equivalent Neron) down to duplicate panels. I won't call it an homage. That would suggest it was a good thing.
If there's ever a sequel to this, then Black Cat's heel turn during Dan Slott's run on _Spider-Man_ and Wally West becoming a mass murderer in _Heroes in Crisis_ deserve mentions... (Not sure if Captain HYDRA would count, since he was eventually revealed to be an imposter from another universe)
***** If you read all of the runs, fine it's your opinion. But if you don't read them that's not true. Becaause the TV show couldn't adapt Judas Contract and first Trigon saga that well (especially Judas Contract). I like the show too but after all it was a kid friendly show adapting mature stories is really hard. And saying "it's like they don't want them to remain heroes " is little harsh they really saved entire Earth in first Trigon saga.
nemesis3587 What do you deem as "more mature" though? Extra blood? Swearing? Fanservice? The Trigon saga in the show seemed pretty mature in comparison to other cartoons and it did not need those things to tell a good story. A teenage girl having sex with a grown man does not make a story mature and I'm glade the show left that out during the Terra betrayal arc and made Terra more of a sympathetic character. All of this is purely opinion of course, and if you disagree that's fine.
Dennis Williams Nope, I agree with you, sex and gore not makes story more mature I don't want to see underage girl and grown man have sex . I have two problems with Judas Contract adaptation first is lack of Deadstroke's origin (actually we never see this in show and Deathstroke's backstory is really important part of his character). Second and more important thing is Terra. She is more symathetic and devoloped well but her betreyal not executed well and seemed so synthetic. If she really turned full traitor it really would be more heartbroker. That why I prefer comic , at least she was a monster psychopat and really hurted Titans. For Trigon saga, I admit unlike Judas Contract it was really a good adaptation but still comic is superior mainly because of Titans vs their inner Demons scenes. Comic version is much more deeper. And for personal I'm really big George Perez fan , his visuals in this saga astonishing, still it's my favorite Titans storyline :D. Anyway I have nothing against TV show actually one of my favorite show. But still comic is in a different league.
nemesis3587 The idea behind the Terra betrayal in the show was that she wasn't completely evil. She was a scared young girl, who felt her only true friend betrayed her, and was manipulated by Deathstroke who offered her the one thing she wanted more than anything: control of her powers. I think a character struggling with her inner demons is more interesting than just a double agent who was evil to begin with. As for Deathstroke, I'll admit to not knowing much of his background other than being a badass mercenary, but I think the lack of background information was intentional. The idea was to make a mysterious character who no one really knew anything about. I felt this made him unique, plus he had the perfect voice actor to pull off this badass yet mysterious character. Hell, a big part of the show was Robin obsessing over trying to figure out who Slade is. Not trying to start a fight, but just feel the need to clarify what I think the show was going for.
I believe that Beast/Henry “Hank” McCoy fits into the first category. I feel like it started when Brian Michael Bendis wrote him in 2012’s All New All Different X-Men in which he committed a reckless action with a petty motivation and was rather out-of-character for him; and since then it’s just been snowballing little by little with each writer that depicts him. In the Dawn of X line, his behavior is more reminiscent of Dark Beast than 616 Beast.
It was because when Coast City was destroyed he wanted to use his ring powers to bring them all back, but couldn't, his fear and despondence at losing his entire hometown in a matter of seconds giving ample oportunity to Parallax to take him over.
With the original upload turning FIFTEEN years old next year. I honestly think a redux of this list would be interesting (I wonder how high Ultimate Reed Richards would be after watching the Ultimate Power compilation)
Wow...that's a real shame to find out about Casandra. I didn't know much about her character outside of a few fan-comics I saw her appear in. But basically, I did somewhat see her as a victim; someone who was being heartlessly manipulated into becoming a weapon, but deep down maintaining a good heart. Having her become Evil really was a misstep.
11:59 DC is full of idiots apparently. Screw Foreshadowing and good storytelling, it has to be a surprising twist! News Flash DC, if something doesn’t recontextualize what came before in a planned way, IT’S NOT A TWIST!! It’s just a lazy intentional subversion of fan expectations.
Regarding the Invisible Woman entry when Reed slapped Sue, what happened is that Sue as Malice hated Reed because she was the opposite of Sue with the hate being the opposite of how much Sue loved Reed. Reed worked this out and thought that if he was a jerk to her he would get the real Sue to hate him and the opposite thing would work out and Malice would like him and basically expel Malice from Sue and he punctuated it with the slap.
@@JaelinBezel Because Malice was espousing all these opinions on how Reed and Johnny really don't actually respect Sue at all. As the two of them do respect and love her he deduces that the villain Hate-Monger had flipped the love she feels for them into hate. When the old Sue is back Reed says this to her, "My best guess is an old foe of ours reached into your mind, turned your strongest drives,--your compassion, your love--turned them inside out. Made you hate us. I had to force you to truly despise me , if only for an instant, to unbalance the effect, reverse it...
If you ask me, there's only one way to make a superhero become an antagonist. By writing it believably. Write it so that critics can only nit-pick 4 or 5 small things because it was that believable that the hero in question could be an antagonist
Wait... so Robin could suddenly beat her up because he wasn't using a fighting style? I could be wrong, since I have little to no knowledge on comic books (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but does that sound like a complete rip off of the fight between Deadpool and The Task Master? Deapool using a dance-fight style on the fly in order to defeat someone who could learn your organized fighting style within seconds? I know that Batgirl's abilities are different from The Task Master's, but that sounds like a complete rip off to me.
Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki Yes it is. Only in this case it was dumber. Batgirl's powers aren't reading and recognizing fighting styles, but reading body movements and predicting them. What fighting style or lack of fighting style Robin used should have been irrelevant; Batgirl should still have been able to predict his moves and counter them. So, in a way, Deadpool was more logical than Robin.
Tareltonlives at least Kylo Ren has the excuse of future character development in both the extended Universe and the future movie's. Superboy Prime has lost all of his potential after the Sinestro Corph Wars
15. Just pray Spider-Man doesn't do the same thing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe after Civil War. 11. I actually like the Under the Red Hood storyline, and the animated movie version of it is awesome. 5. Let's not see this in a future X-Men movie. 4. At least they did it better in WandaVision. 2. At least we got to see Hal Jordan FIGHT Parallax in the Green Lantern movie.
"Just pray Spider-Man doesn't do the same thing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe after Civil War" Well elements of it sorta ended up being used in No Way Home. Thankfully, like Civil War, it seems the movies actually did it better than the comics.
Jason Todd (Red Hood) made me a little sad. I loved the Under the Hood storyline and looked forward to see him be a recurring villain. And every single story with the Red Hood in it as a villain after was terrible. He was decent in Battle For The Cowl, so that was nice. He's really cool as a good guy now though (by that I mean veeeery recently), his Rebirth story was sooo good.
You know what would have made one more day better. Don't have aunt may be dying. Have her severely injured. Peter realizes that his identity being well known puts those near him at risk and as such leaves eventually a villain takes mj or someone close to Pete hostage and peter takes the deal to keep the people around him safe. Works much better than what actually happened.
I agree with you about Maxwell Lord's " Conversion " to villainy . I remember the scene with the Martian Manhunter giving Lord a JLA signal device . Max was portrayed as a good guy ever since . { There was a scene where he used his power to subtly get a woman to { Maybe } like him . He even had a nightmare about it due to guilt . } Even Keith Giffen and the other JLA crew HATED the story. That is why they ended their " Formerly Known As The Justice League " { It SHOULD have been called " The Super Friends !!" } not with the intended shot of characters flying away , but of the heroes having a good laugh . And , the final panel was Max the murderer and Ted " The Blue Beetle " Kord sharing a laugh side by side . THAT is the way it ought to be !!
It's weird watching these old episodes all these years later. During the EXTREME bit, I saw Revolution of the Mask pop up and I thought "WOW, I completely forgot he wrote a comic" And for those of you who weren't there for Linkara's early days, don't look it up. Linkara admits it wasn't very good and decided to not continue to write it
What is it with comic book companies and their constant desire to retcon heroes and villains for the flimiest of reasons, even when it means uprooting decades of consistency?
Ah, Cassandra Cain. You know the sad thing is seven years later she probably still be #1. Of course nowadays if Linkara ever updated this list there would be so many Marvel heroes turned villain. Even more so than DC. Perhaps even one could even make a case for Captain Marvel being #1.
The Goblin Queen needs way more context, also I keep seeing people throwing around the Scott left Maddie card, but I see that they never start that bit with the context of "Scott wasn't leaving Maddie romantically, but physically because one of his oldest friends and former fiancee was alive after he'd thought her dead and he even asks Maddie to wait for him after she gets upset that he might have a thing for Jean still." And all of that is way before we get into all of the retcons that stopped Scott and Maddie from just being a couple and retiring like Claremont wanted. Also the her turning evil because her husband left her, ignores the fact that she was being manipulated by Sinister all along, both to expand her powers, but also get her to go evil. Which even then is before more retcons to make Maddie "evil".
I'm really, really confused how Tony Stark did not end up on this list. *shrugs* His heel turn was one of the worst character derails I've ever seen and he's never fully recovered from it.
But Madelyn Pryor had a *huge* impact on fanart. Her "Goblin Queen" costume (only appearing in 1 or 2 issues) has been a mainstay of comic artists for three decades now. Many readers are unaware that she ever wore pants.
And then later Jesse Quick reunites with her childhood friends Rick Tyler... who was became an adrenaline junky after recovering from leukemia... until robo Hourman was destroyed and he became a workaholic himself. They just started over working on the same stuff... so boinked to blow off steam... and then it grew into something else. But that was more a natural develop. They both discover they can do everything they had before and have love.
+ethanor An editor giving an explicit order for the creator to do something - i.e. higher-ups demanded something rather than it being something the creator thought up.
+ethanor prolly cause the higher-ups think of just key plot points instead of just thinking up the whole story themselves. its like if they said "Ok, Captain America needs a reason for a new suit, We need a reason for Ant-Man to lose his powers, and we need a villian to kill off Spider-man. Make it happen.".. With that, they tell them the main three things they want to happen, but they dont have to write the story, which is the hardest part. I see this happening alot, or at least i did. Whats happening now in comics seems to be more writer-oriented than Big Whig-commands. I could be wrong though...
+ethanor Because the suits up top suck at writing but think up cheap shoddy press grabbing gimmicks they think will net them more reader and increase the profit margin. Ultimately forcing the writer to come up with a story to satisfy their demands, which lead to boring stories with one dimensional character development and into the next shitty gimmick. Pretty much is the reason DC keeps making crisis after crisis and Marvel gender/ethnicity swaps characters all the time.
+ethanor But sometimes, editorial mandates can reign in a creator for good. Think George Lucas and Star Wars: original trilogy is he under some supervision, prequels is he running free. And episode VII removes George Lucas completely.
To be fair to One More Day..... and that was icky to say..... Spidey was gonna say no to Mephisto. it was MARY JANE who agreed to it and forced Peter to take part of it
Which is even worse because they'd just done a giant annual issue where Peter and Mary Jane affirm that their marriage is sacred, and vow "Always and forever."
He eventually reviewed One More Day, and it's even worse than he remembers. Factors include Peter acting like a man-child instead of gently turning himself over to the authorities, contrived story element in which the smartest people and notable healers in the Marvel universe could NOT heal a bullet wound (especially if Dr. Strange is one of those people), pointless recapping, the insult towards escapism, the plotholes in the deal, and we all know the rest. Eventually, he burned a copy of Spider-Man: One More Day in his Top 15 Screw-ups.
Honestly, as bad a decision as Spider-Man making a deal with the devil is, I can't hate Peter for doing it to save someone he loved. I haven't read One More Day, and my only reference is your review, but as selfish as the decision was on his part, I can't feel angry towards Peter for going through with the deal for the sake of saving the woman who was like a mother to him. The fact that Mary Jane agreed to it does remove some of the blame from Peter, in my eyes. Still, Peter Parker making any kind of deal with Mephisto is a dumb idea that needed to be undone the moment the idea was pitched forward. I've still barely scratched the surface of these heroes and their stories, so I would love to know if the deal with Mephisto, at this point of 2019, has been undone yet.
Um yeah you should read the comic before giving your opinion. Mephisto reveals that by giving up his marriage with Mary Jane he also erases a future child they were going to have. It's just childish for Peter to want to save Aunt May AGAINST HER WISHES and despite her bluntly admitting she lived a good life just because he feels guilty, like Linkara says he is placing his own self-satisfaction above everyone else involved in this conflict since the comic makes it clear that he is doing it because of the guilt of knowing that the bullet that shot Aunt May was targetted for HIM. It's character assassination if I ever saw one.
This is one of my favorite vids of atop the 4th wall, one of the first I ever seen and to this day it's still so good. Love it soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much
Hey Linkara what is your opinion on how the TT cartoon handled the evil dick grayson and evil raven storylines? Was it better or worse than in the comics?
Since nobody else has responded to you, I thought Evil robin and evil Raven were good. But my favorite was the semi-evil cyborg arc, the one where it ends when stature comments how she likes his original form, he says this is it (him looking In a mirror at his body before it was damaged) and then they come in saying he needs to be re-initiated because he left the team.
I read stature and was thoroughly confused for a while. "But... she's a marvel character... How the hell?" But no, it was just a typo (probably autocorrect)
Unfortunately they are going to be turning Wally west flash into a villain by turning him into dr manhattan which is a terrible idea on multiple reasons.
From what I understand, they used "Captain Atom Armageddon" to provide a reason for Captain Atom's turn to evil. During his time in the Wildstorm Universe, he encountered a world where the superheroes rule and the ordinary people are basically of little consequence (even The President of the United States has an attitude that he doesn't have any real power, the super humans run everything). His experiences in that world convinced him that it was only a matter of time that the Regular DCU would become just like the Wildstorm Universe, so he had to stop it. This led him to become Monarch.
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To me the number 1 good guy turned villain is Frank Miller
*laughs*
damnit, i was just about to type in something like that, Miller, Quesada, Bendis, and a few others make up that list for me. you win this round Yourpetcat Meow.
I think Miller is more good guy gone bonkers instead of evil
I don't think Frank Miller was ever a "good guy." Even reading his early work, you can detect fascist and sexist undertones and that he just sees superheroes as people with more power behind their punches. This is especially apparent in The Dark Knight Rises, where Bruce Wayne is effectively killed off by his Batman personality because he's "weak" and Batman doesn't use any of his detective skills or genius intellect to stop a fight, preferring to just wail on the bad guys with his fists or varying firearms. And he reduced Selena Kyle to a madam for an escort service, who gets captured and has to rely on Batman to save her. I could go on, but Miller's always has these traits he gets flack for today. He's just less subtle about it now.
That's very true. Frank Miller DID create good stories... but Holy Terror was the final straw.
The "Hawk becomes Monarch" thing is the equivalent of canceling someone's carefully-arranged surprise birthday party because they found out, and instead hastily throwing a different party for someone else who it's not even the birthday of.
"It just makes me wanna DESTROY THE WORLD! So it's a good thing I don't have super powers."
Nope, just a large arsenal of magical weaponry, a giant robot and a gigantic space ship designed for intergalactic conquest.
I know, but hindsight is a funny thing, eh?
The awesome thing about you bringing up hindsight is i just watched his maximum clonage video
Great continuity
Hindsight is 2020.
And now he's the entity
* spends entire episode hoping Cassandra Cain would make the list *
* gets to number 2, gives up on the idea, thinking it's probably going to be an A-lister taking the number one spot *
* is pleasantly surprised to find Cassandra reaching the number one spots on acts of stupidity *
* then remembers that this isn't a good thing *
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“Hal Jordan: The only thing to fear, is a giant yellow space bug that might turn you into a mass murdering psychopath.”
I do not remember JFK making that speech
Whenever Jason Todd gets mentioned I think of Under The Red Hood and I can't help but remember some of Jason's dialogue from that and how it actually made me feel really bad for him. That was a good movie. Not sure about the comics, but I thought they did him justice in that movie.
Comics don't have him as sympathetic (there's still some but most writers expect his sympathetic backstory to carry him without balancing it out)
Tj Locke In the comics he and Superboy Prime are on par...at least for a while.
Nick V
that bad huh?
Kudos
Some dialogue was line for line
"Seeing characters I admire getting screwed over and turned evil"? Sounds like me when I watch professional wrestling.
Sooooo. The Big Show
Linkara: it's a good thing I have no superpowers
Also Linkara: *has a spaceship, magic gun, working power rangers morpher, working duel disk, and pokeball with a Pyramid Head in it*
This was early Linkara though. He wasn't quite as OP then.
@@wildste Lol Right?
Don't forget to highly Advanced AI
HA! The video was originally uploaded in April. 2009. But yeah, in regard to what he gained later on. Well, I think Bender from Futurama put it best "Now that is irony."
But are those superpowers? 🤔
I think the very idea of a hero just suddenly becoming a villain is really stupid. Yeah if you can really justify it in some real and dramatic way then fine but most of the time it just seems cheap and comes out of nowhere.
Magneto was kind of decent if I recall. (He might be on this list not sure am looking at comments because of my lack of interest in Superboy Prime.)
I'm not really a Marvel guy but from what I've seen and heard on hear all that Clone stuff was a massive mess top to bottom. :)
Good becoming evil is a good concept... But it has to be taken slowly.
your thumbnail says it all.🤣
@@williamwebster9437 Thanks. That's why I picked it. :)
#4: to be fair, Marvel has addressed the whole "no such thing as Chaos Magic" thing with an explanation that, as Sorcerer Supreme, Strange was REQUIRED to say that in order to keep the corrupted Elder Gods such as Cthon-who actually influenced the development of Wanda's powers-as weak as possible. Because apparently demon gods have the same weakness as Tinkerbell.
Or maybe he's like Candyman. Say it exists enough and he'll appear.
Joshua Morrison Yeah...it was a stupid thing since Strange has *used* chaos magic. Including an adventure where he had to use it to rewrite the universe after a group of magicians rewrote reality with it to begin with.
Back peddling retcon, almost as bad as the whole Xorneto thing. Par for the course when it comes to Bendis and his "don't give a f*ck" attitude towards the canon and continuity outside of his own work.
Or Freddy Krueger
@@JaelinBezel ...That actually works better, given everything.
The worst part about Superboy Prime is, I've actually encountered fanboys as whiny and disease-ridden as him
BTIsaac As unstoppable powerhouses who will slaughter their entire lineup and never stop if they don't get their way? Then why oppose them?
Fanboys...there are entire FANDOMS that are as whiny and disease-ridden as Superboy Prime
I feel that might've been the initial idea with "SB-P"
I love Superboy Prime. He's essentially a fanboy. A very traditional turned very angry fanboy. And he's so powerful it's great. I dont think there's a fan of anything anywhere that dont long for some of the earlier forms they were introduced to. So in a sense Superboy Prime is a part of all the fans given life in the form of a very angry version of probably the most iconic comic character ever, who of course is Superman
Yep Superboy-Prime is essentially the modern-day comic book fan in comic form. Aka the so-called "fan" who throws a temper-tantrum like he's/she's 2 or 3 years old when something changes or it's not the way he/she wants it. Embarrassingly enough most of the "nostalgia-blind Anti SJW fans" pretty much act like this. Case in point the "fans" who act like Superbrat-Prime are throwing a temper-tantrum over the current Excalibur comics why because Betsy Braddock aka Psylocke is once again Captain Britain and not her brother Brian, even though this time Betsy is actually getting a proper run with the Captain Britain mantel unlike the last time she had it which resulted in a certain incident involving The Hand we don't like to talk about.
Watching this in 2016, and I can't help but laugh when Linky says "love no one ever" and now he's engaged.
Hard to believe it's been 7 years since this video. And congratulations to Lewis and Viga, may you two be happy together.
Who's Viga? Does she have a channel?
clearspira She does, it's called Viga Loves. (I'm on a mobile app and can't copy paste the URL, sorry.)
LINKARA HAS DOOMD US
I understand that the main goal of the show is to showcase aweful comics, but I must make a request. Could there perhaps be a "Best villains turning heroes" episode.
That'd actually be really cool. And he branches out a lot more these days (even if mostly due to Patreon) so that really isn't too far out there.
Imo #1 SongBird
Ginger Grant i say vice versa: worst villains becoming heroes
Or maybe even the opposite of this list - the best heroes becoming villains?
It wont be red hood. Hes sort of a villain turned anti hero, but linkara finds him boring or uninteresting unless hes fighting batman
i just had an idea for a dumb one more day what-if
like what if
mephisto turned spidey into a new ghost rider in exchange for aunt may's life
only instead he'd be called ghost webslinger basically a flaming skeleton spider-man with webs made of fire
I just pictured that in my head. That looks so badass but a tad improbable. How would he shoot the web?
I haven't figured that out yet.
Maybe he fires out fire or webbing made of fire.
mudkipzfan545 he shoots out chains instead of webs!!
mudkipzfan545 That would have been better...so much better.
Still be better than one more day.
Your criticisms of Raven's frequent relapses into evil remind me of another character, Jean Grey. How many times has she died and been resurrected by The Phoenix Force? It seems like that is just as much of a creative crutch as having Raven succumb to Trigon's will.
+Carlisle the Cinephile
Shit, Naruto's relationship with the Nine-Tailed Fox Demon was a better story than either Grey or Raven repeatedly becoming evil.......
To be fair Naruto ran for around 15 years. Teen Titans and X-men have been running for 30 and 50 years. Reusing idea's is bound to happen.
Luisa Bravo I know this comment is almost a year old, but you don't appear to have gotten a reply, so it's pretty much just Uncanny X-Men/New Teen Titans.
Naruto doesnt exist
@@HolyknightVader999 The name of the demon is Kurama (I think)
His rant at the beginning is basically the motivation of almost every villain in the Final Fantasy series.
+legomaniac213 Not sure how that applies to Kefka...or Ultimecia, or Jecht although he's not really the main villain. Also I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to Zeromus (or whatever his name was) from FFIV, so I'm not getting your statement. Did that happen in the recent final fantasies or what?
What I'm getting at is that most of the plans of the FF Villains boil down to "the world is flawed and full of suffering, so I'll just destroy it!"
legomaniac213 Sorry but that still doesn't apply to most of them. I have seen that vibe before in other villains, but I draw a blank when it comes to Final Fantasy villains up to 12. I mean again, Ultimecia last I checked didn't care for those suffering considering she was the one responsible in the first place. Same goes with Kefka who just wanted to see the world burn. Pretty sure that doesn't apply to Sephiroth.
"I'm Linkara, I read it, and I wish I hadn't!" - Linkara, 2009.
Sorry buddy, but catchphrases write themselves. :-)
Hey at least he doesn't have to remember it so we don't have to. That is a burden no one should have to bear with Countdown.
Night of the Rabbit reference?
Wow. Rewatching this episode years later, and mostly it's great, but there is one thing I noticed: Madelyne didn't become the Goblin Queen because Scott left her. She turned after meeting Sinister and learning that she was a clone created for the sole purpose of having a child. Pretty much all of her villain rants include the phrase "Breeding Sow" and her main goal throughout Inferno was to get her son back and kill him, because he was the ultimate symbol of how she was used.
Agrred! THere are way worse heel turns in X-Men, in both writing and characterization, than her too that he could have listed. But Linkara also apparently never read Gen X, since he didn't know who Angelo/Skin was a few episodes back.
Not to mention in OMD Marvel's version of GOD told Peter that it was Aunt May's time to go. And Peter just fucking ignores him...
Sousabird One More Day was so heinous that God himself couldn't stop it.
+Sousabird stan lee told peter it was aunt Mays time to go
God himself got involved to try to fix things... But not even he could stop the stupidity that was to unfold
Well I don’t think they’ve ever shown Parker to be particularly religious.
Stan Lee couldn't stop him.
While I do defend Jason Todd becoming the Red Hood and Hal Jordan becoming Parallax, I will never jump to the defense of Superboy Prime. Actually, as a threat, Superboy Prime is kind of scary. Think about it: a completely insane version of Superman with all of his strengths and none of weaknesses that will destroy all of reality. That could have been a fascinating character. But instead, he's just a whiny bitch who won't shut the hell up! "EVERYTHING WAS BETTER ON MY EARTH!" "I'LL KILL YOU TO DEATH!" "YOU'RE RUINING EVERYTHING!" God! SHUT UP! Not to mention, his sympathetic qualities just got lower and lower. When he first showed up, I felt kind of sorry for the fact that he lost his planet. And, at first, I could understand why he viewed the inhabitants of Earth 1 as degenerates since there had been so much violence in DC since Crisis on Infinite Earths. So what does Superboy Prime do? Try to kill everybody because they aren't from his perfect earth! Conner Kent even points out this hypocrisy, but Superboy Prime just continues whining. If he was mute, he'd be a million times more compelling.
Bryant Langmuir not even mute, just have some compelling dialoge,
Bryant Langmuir Oddly early Image had a much better darker Superman, Supreme. Though he later, along with much of their lineup, got a relaunch; I read it in the collection "Supreme: The Story of the Year" by Alan Moore, very excellent read.
Superboy Prime was a ridiculous being, able to beat people that mop the floor with Supes, immune to all his weaknesses, almost a parody of his being unbeatable. I say toss him and Doomsday into a pocket dimension with no way out and leave em.
@08:20-08:34
Superboy Prime: "You don't understand *MMMYYYY* pain!!! *EVERYTHING WAS SO MUCH BETTER IN THE SHOWA KAMEN RIDERS ERA!!!!!*"
Everything was so much better in the Showa and early Heisei Ultraman era!
I completely feel your rage over the ruining of Cassandra Cain (I prefer her as Black Bat over Batgirl), she is one of my favorite superheroines (and superheroes in general) of all time. I love how idealistic she is, in spite of the fact that both of her parents are assassins and supervillains. And I love the fact that like Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake; Cassie was adopted by Bruce Wayne. She is, in my opinion, one of the most criminally underutilized superheroes in DC.
I couldn't have said that any better myself.
She's also a mentally disabled superhero who isn't treated as stupid or crazy, whose challenges are real and difficult but don't diminish her as a person. As a disabled fan, there is NO character like her for me.
@@eliburry-schnepp6012 what's her disability? Asking.
@@shis1988 She's neurodivergent, strongly implied to be autistic. Also dyslexic.
Where is she called Black Bat? I stopped after issue 73 of Batgirl (because the series ended)
Newest entry to this list: Steve Rogers, Captain America
Seizing the number 1 spot, no doubt.
Hail Hydra
Hail Hydra
h God I'm hoping it's just sort of fake rogers
+angel7661 They claim that this is the real cap, and that it isn't mind control or anything. Most people think it's the cosmic cube.
A bit disappointed you didn't include Alfred's stint as a crime boss made of rock. Sure, he got better, but I mean _what_ the?
PsychadelicoDuck wait. That was a thing? Why the hell was that a thing?!
Red Lantern Reviews Yes, he was revealed to be a character called The Outsider. They killed off Alfred at one point because someone decided they shouldn't have three males living in one house (Um, what? Had they not heard of something called a dormitory?). This mysterious, super-powered character began menacing The Dynamic Duo. It's unknown who the writers intended The Outsider to be, but it wasn't Alfred. However, the Batman TV series (the one with Adam West and Burt Ward) had Alfred, so the editors who killed Alfred in the first place said, "We need Alfred back." As a result The Outsider was revealed to be Alfred and cured of his mutated criminal condition. Yeah. There are some weird stories from the comic book industry.
Kara O'Connor ... Comics are dumb...
They have their moments, and then they have their painfully stupid moments.
Happy Hogan received an transformation like this as well. Hell, I'm surprised Iron Man didn't make the list considering how they treated him during The Crossing and Civil War.
22:47 Whoever made that Fan-Art deserves a medal.
appabend hi appbend
The mute Cassandra Cain sounds pretty bad ass.
shes the coolest character in the batman universe!
Joseph Gillespie Normally I would agree, but the city of Arkham was created by H.P. Lovecraft. The Arkham Asylum in Batman started as a reference. Basicly what I'm trying to say is:
This ties Batman to the Cthulhu Mythos.
sooooo are you saying that batman is the coolest character in the batman universe, cthulhu?
Fiery891 Cthulu isn't that cool. Nyarlathotep maybe but as a reader I think reading about Cassandra is much more entertaining.
She is Cassandra Cain is fucking awesome! I know I'm responding to an old comment but she's really cool.
Okay, I'm gonna defend Superboy Prime here. Him turning into an evil injustice-like Superman doesn't really make sense if you think about it since mentally he isn't Superman. Superboy Prime was just a normal kid who was a fan of comic books and suddenly got powers of his favourite hero. He then had to fight in a multiversal battle which ended up destroying most of the Earth's including his own which means he lost his parents, his friends, his girlfriend, all of it. In the end it made him homesick. He was then forced to watch the people he looked up to turn dark and, in his and other's minds, bad. All of that, including the manipulation from Alexander Luthor, slowly turned him insane. That line was finally passed when he accidentaly started killing heroes because he couldn't control his power properly. Remeber people, this isn't a character with a Superman-like mentality since he wasn't raised with one, he is just a fan who suddenly got his powers.
In the end, the outcome makes sense.
I read the Cassandra Cain Batgirl series, and yeah: it's good, and her turning evil and monologing seems absurd
18:56 Darkseid on a couch. It could be worse...Thanos could be sitting on a recliner, wearing an "I donut donut" shirt, eating freshly made popcorn, all while binge watching NCIS on Netflix.
NCIS?. Ugh. Talk about crap TV.
cloudtx As is most CBS shows. Unless you’re stuff like The Crazy Ones or Me, Myself, & I. And look what that got them...😒
CN What I'm Saiyan? - I think the only shows I've ever liked from CBS are The Amazing Race and Under the Dome. Dome became shit and I've lost interest in TAR.
cloudtx I think I only caught glimpses of Race and Survivor. My mom binges NCIS but she lost interest after Ziva and Tony left. The only other shows she watches is Criminal Minds and Mom. Me, I sometimes watch Colbert but not as frequent as Meyers, Oliver, Noah, and Bee.
CN What I'm Saiyan? - I recommend Race. The good thing about it is that you can start with just about any season and not feel lost. The only problem I have with it is that if the team or individual competitor you're rooting for loses then you don't even care to continue watching. That has happened to me more than once.
Actually, his beginning anger sequence is what goes on in my head at least once a week... and I'm currently working at the local nuclear power plant.
William Pennerson uhhh where do you live?
Please don't pull a Fallout on us.
Holy Shit, Monarch's storyline got recycled for Flash Season 3.
Actually that was based on an arc of the New52.
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 yup it was the blue flash arc
“I am the future, Flash.”
Commas are very important
Its really not a good sign that 10 of the 14 heroes are from DC.
One More Day should've been a story about accepting death, and it should've ended with Aunt May dying
i would've been all for that
Spider-Man PS4 did that, and it was good.
Watching that intro and thinking about how quaint it seems now how bad we thought the world was ten years ago.
YUUUUUUUUUUUUP.
Since we're a few months from 2020, let me say that the 2010s have been a terrible decade. Celebrities are either dying or getting accused of misconduct, everything from intellectual properties to entire countries are being ruined by incompetent, greedy hacks, and everything has to have some kind of social or political agenda behind it. The SJWs and anti-SJWs alone are enough to make _me_ want to destroy the world.
At this rate, I fear how much of this stuff will carry over into the next decade.
@@Bauglir100 Your edgy both-sides-ism is part of the problem. Never talk to me again.
@@autumndidact6148 No, _you_ are part of the problem. You're introducing conflict where conflict isn't needed. I'm not starting an argument with you, so why are you starting an argument with me? I'm not allowed to talk about _my_ problems with the world? I'm not trying to be "edgy", I'm just pissed off at this political climate that we're living in. What's edgy about that?
@@Bauglir100 The president of the United States is an open white supremacist. The conflict is here, and the monsters have the power. Trying to supress conflict only enables them to run wild.
Let’s be honest most of the bat-family has gone bad. Grayson becoming renegade, Tim and Damian both became evil Batmen in the future, Jason came back from the dead a bad guy, Azreal was a bad guy in the 90s, there was a hole event of evil Bruces. I could keep going
To this day I still think Civil War was the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel Comics, they simply could not stop trying to copy that event again and again for years derailing other stories in favor of more even comics, to the point where a Civil War 2 was even made. Ridiculous.
The sad thing is that as bad as Hal's turn to Parallax was, he's probably the best villain to come out of the Kyle Rayner era.
Kyle had some good villains, like Effigy and Grayven. Also that guy he recruited to make a new GLC and then once Kyle turned around, the guy used the ring to take over his world and then used a time-warp to cheat
Superboy prime should be a really cool idea. He's Superman, but from OUR earth, and instead of just escaping from an exploding Krypton, he escaped from his entire universe as it exploded. Then he was thrust into a fantastical multiverse filled with millions of other Superheroes and wonders beyond his comprehension. Any writer who cared could have made that into something amazing...
I don't know why but I love you're Superboy Prime voice. It's so funny!
Still can't get over Darkseid sitting on that couch at 18:55.
+LeHobbitFan
I am the destroyer of worlds and sitter of other people's couches, FEAR ME!"
Darkseid _dares_ to sit on your couch.
I hate what they did to Wanda, she was so much better in her earlier appearances.
Cassandra Cain is my favorite Batgirl, so turning her into a villain pissed me off to no end. I just stick to reading her solo series and turn a blind eye to what they try to do to her in recent works.
To me, Cassandra Cain is Batwoman, I don't know why people keep calling her Batgirl.
I've been reading her original solo series and I'm nearing the end (next up is issue #70). I think I won't be reading any of her other series based on this video.
Nice use of an Eartha Kitt song!
18:54
Darkseid - conqueror of couches.
I'm renaming my dog, Darkseid xD
IKEA: The Bane of Darkseid
Oh mighty mangoes.
Conquering the multi universes is
H A R D .
If obly there was a way to relieve the physical exhaustion of floating thru space.
Wait. Perhaps i could...
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S I T T
*Honorable Mention*
Superman.
Seriously. Give it a rest DC.
I am going to like your comment
By the way ... the entire "One More Day" shit was a ripoff of a Flash story (Wally West and his beloved Linda Park give up their love for one another in some sort of a twisted scheme to save the other one's life, orchestrated by Mephisto-equivalent Neron) down to duplicate panels. I won't call it an homage. That would suggest it was a good thing.
Yeah that Flash issue was actually really good. Unlike One More Day.
If there's ever a sequel to this, then Black Cat's heel turn during Dan Slott's run on _Spider-Man_ and Wally West becoming a mass murderer in _Heroes in Crisis_ deserve mentions...
(Not sure if Captain HYDRA would count, since he was eventually revealed to be an imposter from another universe)
I know this may be an unpopular opinion, but I believe Raven was better portrayed in the Teen Titans series than in the comics.
***** To which run of the Titans comics are you referring?
***** If you read all of the runs, fine it's your opinion. But if you don't read them that's not true. Becaause the TV show couldn't adapt Judas Contract and first Trigon saga that well (especially Judas Contract). I like the show too but after all it was a kid friendly show adapting mature stories is really hard. And saying "it's like they don't want them to remain heroes " is little harsh they really saved entire Earth in first Trigon saga.
nemesis3587 What do you deem as "more mature" though? Extra blood? Swearing? Fanservice? The Trigon saga in the show seemed pretty mature in comparison to other cartoons and it did not need those things to tell a good story. A teenage girl having sex with a grown man does not make a story mature and I'm glade the show left that out during the Terra betrayal arc and made Terra more of a sympathetic character.
All of this is purely opinion of course, and if you disagree that's fine.
Dennis Williams Nope, I agree with you, sex and gore not makes story more mature I don't want to see underage girl and grown man have sex . I have two problems with Judas Contract adaptation first is lack of Deadstroke's origin (actually we never see this in show and Deathstroke's backstory is really important part of his character). Second and more important thing is Terra. She is more symathetic and devoloped well but her betreyal not executed well and seemed so synthetic. If she really turned full traitor it really would be more heartbroker. That why I prefer comic , at least she was a monster psychopat and really hurted Titans.
For Trigon saga, I admit unlike Judas Contract it was really a good adaptation but still comic is superior mainly because of Titans vs their inner Demons scenes. Comic version is much more deeper. And for personal I'm really big George Perez fan , his visuals in this saga astonishing, still it's my favorite Titans storyline :D. Anyway I have nothing against TV show actually one of my favorite show. But still comic is in a different league.
nemesis3587 The idea behind the Terra betrayal in the show was that she wasn't completely evil. She was a scared young girl, who felt her only true friend betrayed her, and was manipulated by Deathstroke who offered her the one thing she wanted more than anything: control of her powers. I think a character struggling with her inner demons is more interesting than just a double agent who was evil to begin with. As for Deathstroke, I'll admit to not knowing much of his background other than being a badass mercenary, but I think the lack of background information was intentional. The idea was to make a mysterious character who no one really knew anything about. I felt this made him unique, plus he had the perfect voice actor to pull off this badass yet mysterious character. Hell, a big part of the show was Robin obsessing over trying to figure out who Slade is.
Not trying to start a fight, but just feel the need to clarify what I think the show was going for.
I believe that Beast/Henry “Hank” McCoy fits into the first category. I feel like it started when Brian Michael Bendis wrote him in 2012’s All New All Different X-Men in which he committed a reckless action with a petty motivation and was rather out-of-character for him; and since then it’s just been snowballing little by little with each writer that depicts him.
In the Dawn of X line, his behavior is more reminiscent of Dark Beast than 616 Beast.
Why does Hal Jordan even need other rings? He can already do, like, anything he wants.
Well, the bug's motivations aside they would make nice kill trophies.
It was because when Coast City was destroyed he wanted to use his ring powers to bring them all back, but couldn't, his fear and despondence at losing his entire hometown in a matter of seconds giving ample oportunity to Parallax to take him over.
With the original upload turning FIFTEEN years old next year. I honestly think a redux of this list would be interesting (I wonder how high Ultimate Reed Richards would be after watching the Ultimate Power compilation)
Red hood is a good anti hero. Read under the red hood.
Wow...that's a real shame to find out about Casandra.
I didn't know much about her character outside of a few fan-comics I saw her appear in. But basically, I did somewhat see her as a victim; someone who was being heartlessly manipulated into becoming a weapon, but deep down maintaining a good heart.
Having her become Evil really was a misstep.
11:59 DC is full of idiots apparently. Screw Foreshadowing and good storytelling, it has to be a surprising twist! News Flash DC, if something doesn’t recontextualize what came before in a planned way, IT’S NOT A TWIST!! It’s just a lazy intentional subversion of fan expectations.
So basically red hood had barely any good stories till rebirth
Regarding the Invisible Woman entry when Reed slapped Sue, what happened is that Sue as Malice hated Reed because she was the opposite of Sue with the hate being the opposite of how much Sue loved Reed. Reed worked this out and thought that if he was a jerk to her he would get the real Sue to hate him and the opposite thing would work out and Malice would like him and basically expel Malice from Sue and he punctuated it with the slap.
Why did he think Malice would get expelled from Sue for changing her mind about him?
@@JaelinBezel Because Malice was espousing all these opinions on how Reed and Johnny really don't actually respect Sue at all. As the two of them do respect and love her he deduces that the villain Hate-Monger had flipped the love she feels for them into hate. When the old Sue is back Reed says this to her, "My best guess is an old foe of ours reached into your mind, turned your strongest drives,--your compassion, your love--turned them inside out. Made you hate us. I had to force you to truly despise me , if only for an instant, to unbalance the effect, reverse it...
Still stupid.
I miss Cassandra Cain so much!
well she's back finally so that's good news
Yeah, but she's never acknowledged outside of Detective Comics, despite being ONE OF BATMAN'S KIDS.
I still love Raven, it might just be Tara Strong's portrayal of her though.
I also love whoever voices her on those Titans Movies
Taissa Farmiga - perfect casting, lovely young actress. She's Vera Farmiga's (much) younger sister.
But what about Batman: Under the Red Hood? It was one of the best Batman movies!
If you ask me, there's only one way to make a superhero become an antagonist. By writing it believably. Write it so that critics can only nit-pick 4 or 5 small things because it was that believable that the hero in question could be an antagonist
I have never seen a RUclips video this relevant in my life.
Wait... so Robin could suddenly beat her up because he wasn't using a fighting style? I could be wrong, since I have little to no knowledge on comic books (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but does that sound like a complete rip off of the fight between Deadpool and The Task Master? Deapool using a dance-fight style on the fly in order to defeat someone who could learn your organized fighting style within seconds? I know that Batgirl's abilities are different from The Task Master's, but that sounds like a complete rip off to me.
Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki Yes it is. Only in this case it was dumber. Batgirl's powers aren't reading and recognizing fighting styles, but reading body movements and predicting them. What fighting style or lack of fighting style Robin used should have been irrelevant; Batgirl should still have been able to predict his moves and counter them.
So, in a way, Deadpool was more logical than Robin.
To be fair taskmaster was beaten by moon knight because he whould rather take a hit instead of blocking it
Superboy Prime: He was Kyo Ren before Kylo Ren
Tareltonlives
at least Kylo Ren has the excuse of future character development in both the extended Universe and the future movie's. Superboy Prime has lost all of his potential after the Sinestro Corph Wars
Tareltonlives you’ve got me imagining the “I’ll kill you to death” line playing whenever he fights Rei
Kylo Ren lost his potential at the end of TFA. TLJ didn't help. At all.
I love how he wrote that math formula correctly
15. Just pray Spider-Man doesn't do the same thing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe after Civil War.
11. I actually like the Under the Red Hood storyline, and the animated movie version of it is awesome.
5. Let's not see this in a future X-Men movie.
4. At least they did it better in WandaVision.
2. At least we got to see Hal Jordan FIGHT Parallax in the Green Lantern movie.
"Just pray Spider-Man doesn't do the same thing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe after Civil War"
Well elements of it sorta ended up being used in No Way Home.
Thankfully, like Civil War, it seems the movies actually did it better than the comics.
Jason Todd (Red Hood) made me a little sad. I loved the Under the Hood storyline and looked forward to see him be a recurring villain. And every single story with the Red Hood in it as a villain after was terrible. He was decent in Battle For The Cowl, so that was nice. He's really cool as a good guy now though (by that I mean veeeery recently), his Rebirth story was sooo good.
Ah memories and to see you cover Cassandra cane batgirl makes this top 15 list even more fun.
it is weird listening to that opening, and realizing that Linkara's yelling in this has become his normal voice and timbre.
You know what would have made one more day better. Don't have aunt may be dying. Have her severely injured. Peter realizes that his identity being well known puts those near him at risk and as such leaves eventually a villain takes mj or someone close to Pete hostage and peter takes the deal to keep the people around him safe. Works much better than what actually happened.
Dear lord Linkara you were thin back than
I agree with you about Maxwell Lord's " Conversion " to villainy . I remember the scene with the Martian Manhunter giving Lord a JLA signal device . Max was portrayed as a good guy ever since . { There was a scene where he used his power to subtly get a woman to { Maybe } like him . He even had a nightmare about it due to guilt . } Even Keith Giffen and the other JLA crew HATED the story. That is why they ended their " Formerly Known As The Justice League " { It SHOULD have been called " The Super Friends !!" } not with the intended shot of characters flying away , but of the heroes having a good laugh . And , the final panel was Max the murderer and Ted " The Blue Beetle " Kord sharing a laugh side by side . THAT is the way it ought to be !!
It's weird watching these old episodes all these years later. During the EXTREME bit, I saw Revolution of the Mask pop up and I thought "WOW, I completely forgot he wrote a comic"
And for those of you who weren't there for Linkara's early days, don't look it up. Linkara admits it wasn't very good and decided to not continue to write it
What is it with comic book companies and their constant desire to retcon heroes and villains for the flimiest of reasons, even when it means uprooting decades of consistency?
It's maddening and contrived.
Ah, Cassandra Cain. You know the sad thing is seven years later she probably still be #1. Of course nowadays if Linkara ever updated this list there would be so many Marvel heroes turned villain. Even more so than DC. Perhaps even one could even make a case for Captain Marvel being #1.
I'm suprised Dick Grayson in The Dark Knight strikes again isn't on this list
Same here mate same here
Man, the frame rate is much smoother and cleaner than the blip upload.
The Goblin Queen needs way more context, also I keep seeing people throwing around the Scott left Maddie card, but I see that they never start that bit with the context of "Scott wasn't leaving Maddie romantically, but physically because one of his oldest friends and former fiancee was alive after he'd thought her dead and he even asks Maddie to wait for him after she gets upset that he might have a thing for Jean still."
And all of that is way before we get into all of the retcons that stopped Scott and Maddie from just being a couple and retiring like Claremont wanted. Also the her turning evil because her husband left her, ignores the fact that she was being manipulated by Sinister all along, both to expand her powers, but also get her to go evil. Which even then is before more retcons to make Maddie "evil".
I was PISSED of about the Parallax cop out... since it undid the whole point of the DeMatteis run on Spectre which I really enjoyed.
I'm sad to say I think Wally West is going to be added to this list soon 😢
I like how Captain Atom's containment suit even has a mullet 🤣
I'm really, really confused how Tony Stark did not end up on this list. *shrugs* His heel turn was one of the worst character derails I've ever seen and he's never fully recovered from it.
Wait which one: Civil War or the Symbiote Suit?
Actually, Maxwell Lord was retconned as turning evil after JLI, so it doesn't contradict Martian Manhunters mind read of him.
But Madelyn Pryor had a *huge* impact on fanart. Her "Goblin Queen" costume (only appearing in 1 or 2 issues) has been a mainstay of comic artists for three decades now. Many readers are unaware that she ever wore pants.
If I did this list, I would have put Jim Gordon from The Gotham by Gaslight animated movie at number 1
That was elseworld story. I don't think It counts.
And then later Jesse Quick reunites with her childhood friends Rick Tyler... who was became an adrenaline junky after recovering from leukemia... until robo Hourman was destroyed and he became a workaholic himself. They just started over working on the same stuff... so boinked to blow off steam... and then it grew into something else. But that was more a natural develop. They both discover they can do everything they had before and have love.
Just what the hell ARE editorial mandates? I cant find anything on it
+ethanor An editor giving an explicit order for the creator to do something - i.e. higher-ups demanded something rather than it being something the creator thought up.
Then why have writers at all if the higher ups are just going to make their own story? Anyway, thanks for the response
+ethanor prolly cause the higher-ups think of just key plot points instead of just thinking up the whole story themselves. its like if they said "Ok, Captain America needs a reason for a new suit, We need a reason for Ant-Man to lose his powers, and we need a villian to kill off Spider-man. Make it happen.".. With that, they tell them the main three things they want to happen, but they dont have to write the story, which is the hardest part. I see this happening alot, or at least i did. Whats happening now in comics seems to be more writer-oriented than Big Whig-commands. I could be wrong though...
+ethanor Because the suits up top suck at writing but think up cheap shoddy press grabbing gimmicks they think will net them more reader and increase the profit margin. Ultimately forcing the writer to come up with a story to satisfy their demands, which lead to boring stories with one dimensional character development and into the next shitty gimmick. Pretty much is the reason DC keeps making crisis after crisis and Marvel gender/ethnicity swaps characters all the time.
+ethanor But sometimes, editorial mandates can reign in a creator for good. Think George Lucas and Star Wars: original trilogy is he under some supervision, prequels is he running free. And episode VII removes George Lucas completely.
bless you for including eartha kitt's i want to be evil in your video sir may she rest in peace
It's funny how almost 20 years later No Way Home has a similar plot to One More Day 😆
And reminder: *_NO WAY HOME IS ARGUABLY THE MOST SUCCESSFUL MODERN MCU FILM TO DATE._*
Is anyone kind of upset about how they treated the character Duela Dent?
To be fair to One More Day..... and that was icky to say..... Spidey was gonna say no to Mephisto. it was MARY JANE who agreed to it and forced Peter to take part of it
Well Peter could still say no and just ignore her.
Which is even worse because they'd just done a giant annual issue where Peter and Mary Jane affirm that their marriage is sacred, and vow "Always and forever."
He eventually reviewed One More Day, and it's even worse than he remembers. Factors include Peter acting like a man-child instead of gently turning himself over to the authorities, contrived story element in which the smartest people and notable healers in the Marvel universe could NOT heal a bullet wound (especially if Dr. Strange is one of those people), pointless recapping, the insult towards escapism, the plotholes in the deal, and we all know the rest.
Eventually, he burned a copy of Spider-Man: One More Day in his Top 15 Screw-ups.
We need a new top of the worst times when heroes turned villains
i agree
Ahh 2013 editing. Very nostalgic
This was originally made in 2009.
@@AT4W ah that makes a bit more sense.
Honestly, as bad a decision as Spider-Man making a deal with the devil is, I can't hate Peter for doing it to save someone he loved. I haven't read One More Day, and my only reference is your review, but as selfish as the decision was on his part, I can't feel angry towards Peter for going through with the deal for the sake of saving the woman who was like a mother to him. The fact that Mary Jane agreed to it does remove some of the blame from Peter, in my eyes.
Still, Peter Parker making any kind of deal with Mephisto is a dumb idea that needed to be undone the moment the idea was pitched forward. I've still barely scratched the surface of these heroes and their stories, so I would love to know if the deal with Mephisto, at this point of 2019, has been undone yet.
Um yeah you should read the comic before giving your opinion. Mephisto reveals that by giving up his marriage with Mary Jane he also erases a future child they were going to have. It's just childish for Peter to want to save Aunt May AGAINST HER WISHES and despite her bluntly admitting she lived a good life just because he feels guilty, like Linkara says he is placing his own self-satisfaction above everyone else involved in this conflict since the comic makes it clear that he is doing it because of the guilt of knowing that the bullet that shot Aunt May was targetted for HIM. It's character assassination if I ever saw one.
"It's a good thing I don't have super powers."
Is a spaceship a super power?
Positively Dreadful don’t forget his morphers and his magic gun
@@gennybaratta2460 And his ability to summon Pyramid Head from a pokeball.
This is one of my favorite vids of atop the 4th wall, one of the first I ever seen and to this day it's still so good. Love it soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much
The best part about this video was the into.
DESTROY THE WORLD!
At least with Jason Todd, we got the under the red hood movie out of his return.
Hey Linkara what is your opinion on how the TT cartoon handled the evil dick grayson and evil raven storylines? Was it better or worse than in the comics?
Since nobody else has responded to you, I thought Evil robin and evil Raven were good. But my favorite was the semi-evil cyborg arc, the one where it ends when stature comments how she likes his original form, he says this is it (him looking In a mirror at his body before it was damaged) and then they come in saying he needs to be re-initiated because he left the team.
I read stature and was thoroughly confused for a while. "But... she's a marvel character... How the hell?" But no, it was just a typo (probably autocorrect)
it was. I meant Starfire. Thanks for pointing it out friend
Unfortunately they are going to be turning Wally west flash into a villain by turning him into dr manhattan which is a terrible idea on multiple reasons.
Have you ever considered making top 15 worst retcons at some point?
From what I understand, they used "Captain Atom Armageddon" to provide a reason for Captain Atom's turn to evil. During his time in the Wildstorm Universe, he encountered a world where the superheroes rule and the ordinary people are basically of little consequence (even The President of the United States has an attitude that he doesn't have any real power, the super humans run everything). His experiences in that world convinced him that it was only a matter of time that the Regular DCU would become just like the Wildstorm Universe, so he had to stop it. This led him to become Monarch.