Unfortunately a lot still do. Despite the OGL fiasco, the Pinkertons, and stuff predating even all that, people unfortunately go right back to buying from WotC. Many big name youtubers who said they wouldn't support WotC anymore still fully admit they do in fact buy directly from and support them even now. It's infuriating.
@@jpick8245 No they are not the boycott and the Pinkerton debacle had no influence on their quarterly earnings at all. We need to avoid them for our own case not to punish them.
Thanks for your courage to stand up against WOTC in such a public manner. I wish you all the best. I sure hope WOTC doesn’t send the Pinkertons to force you to take down this video.
The hobby isn't a company. There are plenty of other rpgs out there other than Dum N Dummer. Many are far better products. The hobby is how you use the tools to create cool stories. It's the creativity and ideas in between your ears that matter most. In the end, the real hobby is the friends and stories we make along the way.
It of reminds me of what happened to Blizzard, the game dev company. What was once a paragon of creativity and responsible for these worlds people love and grew attached to, is now a corporate husk of what it once was. We are under no obligation to continue supporting the greedy nostalgia parasites. WE own D&D. We got our books and black flags and can support smaller ethical companies if we want new material.
@SteveFarEast 3.5 was panned as "just a board game of Diablo." Interestingly, the video game mechanics most grognards complain about were inspired by existing D&D editions, not the other way around. (Spells per day is literally a cool down mechanic, after all.)
We might not be their target audience but I guarantee that we've got a whole lot more money than their target audience and they'll never see any more of mine. I dumped every one of my 5E books off at a used bookstore a couple months ago and like you said it was very liberating. The system sucks compared to AD&D and B/X anyway. Good riddance.
What's funny is that I know their "target audience" is leaving too. Me and all my friends fit into that mold, but we're not gonna give anymore money to a company like WOTC, money hungry and willing to throw any of their fans, their content creators under the bus. Plus their representation of minorities is half assed at best. Most I've ever seen is a side quest in Tomb of Annihilation where the players can save a man's husband from a death gauntlet in Port Nyanzaru. So fuck all lmao
@@xevenwood6553 Well there are many companies/creators who welcome ALL gamers (like Castles & Crusades, Shadowdark, etc.) regardless of what demographic they fall under or box they tick. If we can all enjoy each other's company online or at the gaming table then who the hell is WOTC to try and divide us right down the middle? Screw 'em.
@Kevin Lamb Exactly lol. I knew this well before WOTC went down the drain, but now my friends are willing to branch out. Me and my gf are working on getting a game of Cyberpunk 2020 running, me and my friends from high school are messing with Lancer, so it's going good so far. Might as well be roasting marshmallows over the dumpster fire that is WOTC and 5e lol
They don't even have a target audience. Their performative bullshit is so obvious and fake that everyone knows the kind of corporate nonsense they're up to.
@@xevenwood6553 I promise I'm not trying to start shit, I just want to understand something about your 'group' and you seem quite reasonable. The entire point of DnD is to have your own stories and make your own characters right? What more representation does one NEED when they can literally play over 12 difference species (races) and easily have more than 20 different sentient species(races) that exist in the overworld. Can't you just make the 'diversity' you want to see in your own game? Isn't the idea of racism and 'minorities' completely different inside the game world? Again I'm not trying to start shit, I genuinely want to know if I'm missing something that I can't understand.
Listen, I haven't purchased anything from WOTC. I stopped buying from them when 3rd ed came out for a lot of reasons, and in fact the only third ed books I have were gifts. Ascending armor-class was a good idea and they had a few others, but overall the shift seemed to be away from a history and myth inspired game and toward an anime/console-computer game inspired ttrpg, and that was not the direction I was wanting to go. That and I had already bought BX, AD&D, 2nd ed AD&D, 2nd Ed Skills and Powers AD&D, and I had zero desire to buy the same game all over again. And know what? My table is happy with the version we play now and the levels of immersion we are able to achieve. As one GenXer to another---happy liberation day! That and I'm glad to see gen-Xers stepping up and calling out WOTC to the rest of the community for who and what they have become. And the fact that they couldn't credit Gygax and Arneson in the D&D movie for creating the game was just repugnant. And as far as telling us we need to leave the hobby so things can be more diverse is antithetical to diversity. Diversity is about inclusion and addition, not subtraction and exclusion. So who do these dunderheads really think they are? There are lots of great miniature companies out there. Castles and Crusades from Troll Lord Games is a great alternative to AD&D--Pathfinder 2nd E, is a great alternative to 5e from what I understand. Shadow Dark is another game that mixes some 5e elements with an OSR style of play---there are so many great games and great miniature companies out there. We don't need WOTC or their Pinkerton leg breakers. The physical products from these other companies are actually superior, from book bindings and everything else. Otherworld Games has a great array of monsters what were inspired from the 1st AD&D Monster Manual. Every time I go to their site I just smile, and this is a small sample, but the gargoyles I ordered from them are FANTASTIC! Ben on Questing Beast did a great breakdown of the difference between the generations of D&D players between the folk D&D crowd and official D&D. Folk D&D people typically view things that come from officialdom skeptically, and we're very comfortable saying, "yeah, but no. That's crap. Not at my table." That's a lesson a lot of 5e people need to hear and learn from us. So keep spreading the word, chief! Best and Cheers!
Not a DND fan but an MTG player and they lost my money several years ago. The contemptual demand for more and more of my cash for lackluster products was a bridge to far.
Honestly Im running out of places to escape reality to anymore. Im on Boycotts from >Deep Breath< Disney, Paramount, and the BBC (Destroyed almost every science fiction franchise I ever grew up with, with Woke garbage and bad writing!!!), PedoFlix (I like my nighttime activity partners to be consenting Adults! + all the woke destruction of once great IPs), EA games (Don't steal from me!), P&G (Gillette, I'm too Toxic) Coka~cola (I'm too white) Activision/Blizzard (the reasons for Disney AND EA combined!) Anheuser-Bush just joined the list (king of Queers and Child abuse...............) and of course, Hasbro/WoTC. If it wasent for Japan's Anime, Manga, and Video Games, and Pathfinder, Id have no escape from this hell of a reality left at all, and probably would take the "one way Door" out..................
I just stumbled upon your channel and this topic when it came up this morning on 'Dungeon Craft', regarding WOTC and their unleashing of a "Goon Squad" on a customer. I agree with you! I have power coupons and young grandkids that listen to Opa - Eff WOTC/ Hasbro! I've been away from DnD since 2003 and am boning up and knocking the rust off before doing the deep dive. I think your channel will be a good fit for me, as I'm also a huge fan of the more old school World of Greyhawk! I teethed on the 1980 basic set after saving up money washing boats and stocking shelves after school as an 11 year old. (Dragon sitting on it's horde - in blue ink) I mainly have played 2e up until 2003. I'm coming back and things have certainly changed! Keep up the good fight!
We should give them more of what they want then. I seriously doubt the intersectional genZ-ers who have never read a book they weren't assigned to read are suddenly going to start playing DnD and buying DnD products. They're trying to LARP as normal humans already and it's not coming off.
I realized what a horrible and racist company GWOTC was 4-5 years ago when they talked about having too many white men in their company. That never went viral and most never knew about it. so I forgive people for not bailing back then. Now, EVERYONE is realizing it! Now to get people to realize Paizo and Kobold Press are just as bad!
@@CScott-wh5yk The harshness is necessary to teach a lesson. A parent scolds and punishes their kid for bad behavior, but it serves as a painful reminder not to repeat the bad behavior. WotC isn't the only company who hates their fans. If someone swears off WotC, but keeps giving money to another company who does identical crap, no lesson has been learned. Considering how long WotC has been doing this, scolding is necessary. It shouldn't have taken till May 2023 for fans to learn WotC hates them, especially the whyte, male fans. It's good that Greyhawk learned, but it's important he applies this lesson to every company that does the same sh!t. It doesn't matter how much you love something. Stop being a consoomer and giving money to people who hate you. Apply the same ban on giving money to Marvel, DC, Disney and every other company openly hostile to their customers.
The list of companies you posted makes me think that you believe "not catering exclusively to straight white conservative males" = "hates their customers" 🙄 And no, none of those companies hate white males. That's just histrionic crying from the snowflakes who can't accept the fact that other demographics are being treated as people & having their existence acknowledged. (Women & girls have made up almost half of the D&D player base since the very beginning, and non-whites have been a significant part of the hobby for just as long.) Despite the conspiracy theories from the Jan6 & incel crowds, white men are not the most oppressed group in history. And neither WotC, nor any of the other companies you listed, said they hate white men. Generally they've only said they're looking for more diversity in the industry, which doesn't mean "white men have to go" or anything like that. Claiming diversity = hating white people is some David Duke crybaby nonsense.
100% I'm at the same place myself, I started my experience with ttrpg's by playing 2nd edition and then the old school clone Hackmaster in 2001 and back then WotC was the enemy and i avoided 3 and 4th editions of DnD favoring the older stuff. I started 5E back in 2018 because I figured I'd give t a shot. I went whole hog, DnD beyond sub, books and the works, but this recent business, everything you have mentioned and the new non-edition update has brought me to the same place. I just started running a Shadowdark game and love it, WotC is never gonna get another copper from me.
Already did, brother. I backed the Kickstarter for Shadowdark TTRPG, which is written by a fantastic and brilliant lady (Kelsey Dionne of the Arcane Library) whose been making well written adventures for years. I've also been delving in DMScotty's EZD6 and Runehammers' ICRPG. WotC can go fly a kite.
We actually discussed all of this at our gaming session tonight. We've all agreed we're not buying WOTC products anymore. We're going to smaller publishers like Paizo and Riverhorse Games. I'm going to look for used books from now on from other sellers. Screw what Hasbro and WOTC are doing! Besides, Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal Adventure Games have been a lot more fun and challenging, definitely what I've been wanting to play forever!
Paizo do have their own issues, aggressively for alternate sexualities and have banned Christians from forums for objecting, but I am running Kingmaker soon. They have made good stuff, but I didn't buy it.
@@The_Custos i admit Paizo's got its issues, most companies do but this latest WOTC debacle's the end of the line for me. They didn't need to send the Pinkertons to the guy's house to harass him and his neighbors. I was willing to let the other stuff slide a bit but now I just cringe at the thought of spending my money on their stuff.
@@The_Custos Lol imagine being a champion against inclusivity and phrasing things as though paizo are leading some crusade against Christianity. No. Radical Christians are hateful people who want to push their beliefs on others and spread their vitriol, and that is what Paizo stops. Stop spreading your hateful propaganda, and maybe people will take you and your religious zealots a bit more seriously.
I go further than WotC. I don't buy Hasbro. Haven't for at least three years, now. Very glad this sentiment is spreading. Very sad it took armed thugs to get there. Welcome aboard.
Good for you, Brother! I dumped my desire when I cancelled my D&D Beyond account in December. I've got more than enough D&D stuff going back to the 80s too. More than me and my players need. Time to move on away from corporate greed and entitled ignorance and start supporting the myriad of hardworking people who make awesome gaming products. They get my hard earned money from now on.
It is such a damn shame the way things have gone. I grew up on D&D, ran my first game in 3.5 as a teenager, broke away during 4e like many did, and came back for 5e as it felt like a return to form (in terms of mechanical fidelity), and have run games weekly since its inception - Only to be consistently frustrated with almost every design decision regarding lore, mechanics, or anything else. Of course there are other games, but It makes me sad, seeing something I've loved so dearly communicate its spite for me, my friends, and others in my community - to a level which I can scarcely begin to describe, as my words cannot do that hollow feeling justice. I've already resigned myself not to support them financially for some time, but really - I think for many of us which the game has been a passion, we need to step back on the whole - Even piracy is too good for the wicked, as we advertise their product and grow a new community for them to exploit.
I grew up on Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, I played 5E as my first actual table-top game with a good friend, then I decided the game was getting bland and found out another group I knew was getting into Pathfinder and gave it a try. It's great! There are other options out there, and you can bring your friends.
@@colinsmith1495 Those are both great games - been a long time since I played those! And yeah theres definitely other TTRPGs, pathfinder is decent, but its really too similar to D&D for me having come from 3.5 - you know? I'm glad Pathfinder 2E is branching away in design 😊 I play multiple different games, and weekly me and one group of friends experiment with new systems in shorter campaigns - sometimes the system is a small fan project, and sometimes its a larger IP we just never touched before. Its always fun poring over a new book, theorizing how the mechanics will impact roleplay and reflect back on the setting, how it feels to GM for a system compared to others, as well as the types of unique builds/parties a system compliments Once I finish running current 5e game (its been a longform one with a homebrew setting), I'll likely never touch D&D again
I started with AD&D (the first edition). I jumped out from buying WotC products during the 3.5 era, when it became obvious that they were starting down the same path as their MtG line of selling the bigger and better hot new thing with every release. WotC will never be able to replicate the past success of the hobby. They don’t know how. They’re on the same track towards failure that GW has taken.
The OGL wasn't first for me. I bailed when they decided to ban the guy who blew the whistle on the rampant pedophilia in the judge pool for Magic and proceed to do nothing about it. I watched, from the sidelines, as this whole mess of WotC being the absolute worst continued to snowball and how hardly anyone paid any attention to it until after it had become popular and they decided the people using the system to make money weren't paying enough in spite of the fact that it wouldn't have generated nearly as much in sales if they hadn't. This wasn't the first time they sent the Pinkertons after someone, either. The guy in charge of risk management is a former Pinkerton. Let this become a lesson to these companies. May WotC never recover from this.
Any link to where this was said? I can't seem to find a reference. I'm curious if that's literally what he said and in what context. It would seem to be a really, really stupid thing to say.
@@sergioperez2771 I'm not certain since he said last year, in this was in February, but the closest thing I could find to this is an interview where Kyle Brink is talking about the workplace and was asked specifically about people in positions of power at the company who aren't "cis white men". I'd link it but RUclips doesn't like links, so the relevant part of his statement is: “Guys like me, we’re leaving the workforce, to be blunt. And also, we’re not the face of the hobby anymore. I’m not the majority of this hobby anymore. And so it’s important to me that my team of creators look like my players. And have the lived experience that my players do. And I think there’s been mistakes made in years past where people assumed that D&D players were all white dudes in a basement. Which has been a faulty assumption for a lot of years, and gets more and more false everyday. And so it’s, in my viewpoint, honestly guys like me can’t leave soon enough, for this hobby.”
Hail Sir Grognard. Couldn't have said it better myself. You are 100% correct! I'm angry at myself for all the 5e stuff I bought during the pandemic. I sooo wish I hadn't spent all that money, and, irrationally, can't even bring myself to play it anymore even though those books & stuff are my property; I paid for them...yet I still don't want to play it now. The "Pinkerton" incident was the last straw.
I really wish I could get a glimpse of their minds because on the outside it looks completely stupid like do you have a side bet with nestle to be more evil or did they think dat alienating the fan base while you let goons bash their faces in is a winning company way to improve
First video of yours I have seen as youtube just recommended you to me. Here I thought I was cool when I laminated my Greyhawk map, then you one up my by turning yours into curtains!
Amen Joe! As a fellow old school Grognard I stand with you in solidarity. Thank you for having the guts to step up and make a stand, while shinning the light on WOTCs disdain for the community that puts money in their coffers, and the shear folly of their words and actions... day in and day out.
I too have walked away from them after more than 3 decades. Stopped buying product a while back. There are many more great options out there from small creators and small companies.
Don't forget they also made no mention of Gygax or Arneson as creators of D&D in the film's credit. The very LEAST they could have done. Even Siegel and Shuster got credit in the Superman films.
EXACTLY!! I sat through all the end credits hoping for a "in memoriam" for Gary. Nope. They want us to think Hasbro invented D&D, and us older guys who actually suffered for this hobby ("Satanic panic", anyone? I still don't tell ordinary people I play D&D after that) don't exist.
I’m near the exact opposite, I’m a young gay white woman, and I’m still mad. If I say “WotC should not have some old white guy running D&D” what I mean is it’s some old out of touch guy who doesn’t care about the game and only the bottom line. A businessman, not someone with inspiration and ideas. And the crazy thing is the head of WotC IS an old white guy right now. So I’m not sure what they meant exactly. Like they don’t want to appeal to older players? Because it’s not about shitty upper management. I’m pretty every D&D player was pissed at WotC for this regardless of demographic
last wotc/hasbro product I bought was a HeroQuest expansion, and that was a pre-order before the OGL debacle. I haven't, and won't, buy anything from them, ever again. And that was just over the OGL crapstorm. The rest is just confirmation.
Not really. The sense of entitlement often found in the c-suite of a large corporation is usually so massively intense that it's basically a disease. Once they start seeing the customers who make their entire business possible as an obstacle between themselves and money, it's over.
@@pierluigi1412 I assure you it is not. "Get Woke, Go Broke" is a cherry-picked myth based on the false cause fallacy, where you mistake "wokeness" for failures when in reality it's just bad writing and stupid business decisions. Plenty of things are "woke" and wildly successful; they just don't fit your narrative. Believe it or not, people on my side of the aisle don't appreciate blatant pandering at the expense of the experience either.
Totally agree. I'm done with DnD that isn't really DnD (5e to anybody still wondering). I have seen the future of fantasy role playing and its name is Dragonbane. WotC had only got itself to blame for every customer it looses.
I made this same choice all the way back during 4E, can't even remember what it was that made me turn on them but glad I did. Theres infinity other products out there that satisfy the same urge, we dont need them. I run Greyhawk with Pathfinder 2e right now, no big deal at all :-)
I run a home brew game using PF2E. I have created a magic items, and a few monsters based on Russian myth (that’s the setting) and the 4th monsters compendium has a lot of those too
I am a Black male in my sixties and I am with you! Kudos! I have been playing D&D since late 70's non-stop - this is the worst management of our hobby ever!
"The hobby will definitely be better without its most passionate and knowledgeable fans. Also, lets piss off all the new fans, too. Also, let's ALSO piss off people that make content for our game that makes it more popular. These decisions are smart and good and I make lots of money. I will go shove thumbtacks up my nose now." - A Hasbro executive, probably
Well done! None of us owe WotC anything. I boycotted them ever since they made little digs at other games in their Ravenloft book and preached to the reader about avoiding cliches when they themselves created new ones. I no longer DM the game anymore, but I run an alternative 5E game instead, Adventures in Middle Earth, which is of course an OGL. WotC quest to control the OGL has backfired.
Glad to see you join us. :) You were one of the few holdouts I respected. The fact that you're bailing speaks volumes to their poor marketing strategy aka alienating part of the customer base to virtue signal to another part of the customer base. OSR forever!
So proud of you. I grew up and loved Greyhawk and had to say goodbye to it all. There is so much more out there. Keep it going folks and leave these trash companies behind.
Why say goodbye? I have over 4 decades of D&D books in my house...I still use them to enjoy whatever suits our group's mood when the time for a new campaign happens.
Absolutely fine as a personal choice. For me it is a matter of principle. I still use some of that old original content but they will nevwr get another penny from me
Buying the "ethics" award for the nth year in a row is just par for scum-sucking megacorps like Hasbro. It barely counts. Y'know what does? Movie credits: "Based on Dungeons & Dragons by Hasbro". Not by Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson. The use of the Pinkertons was the last straw for me. Either WotC flushes its executive team or it can count me as an ex-customer. I've apologized to personal friends at WotC for this and they get it-they're looking for new work, all three of them. I do know people elsewhere within Hasbro and … I've not discussed this stupidity with them because I know they can't say anything. I only know that they'd make different decisions if they were running things at WotC.
Welcome to the club, I walked away from “new” stuff from them and I am having a blast show casing older editions, other games and other sources of inspiration for your gaming joy. I will support 3rd party creators, folks selling used stuff, anyone trying to create for personal fun game play for their table, and other new & old game systems. Find your joy again dear, you love old Greyhawk so just focus on how to spread your love & joy of that setting, it’s history and how to adapt it even for other games if you want. I pretty much decided the Wiz Kids at Wizards of the Coast are Live Acting the Roles of Insane Evil NPC Wizards (both for D&D & MtG… I play both) fire balling down their own Wizard Tower and supporting community in some crazy real life plot twist concerning the destruction of an Empire. It’s sad but sometimes you just got to walk away from the crazy self destruction. I was playing 5e too up until the shenanigans out of WotC & Hasbro just got to much, but I think the 5e folks still hanging in & buying new product are in for a surprise when the new version comes out. ❤️❤️❤️ Hugs
I agree Mr. J. Bloch. As i commented on Prof. DM's video I volunteer at 2 public libraries Teen D&D club and I switched over to Adventurer Conqueror King rpg and the other Basic Fantasy rpg and the kids did not care- ( combat was faster and more meaningful and scary and the rules were easy ). It was a difficult move to make but I had had enough- and this was a week ago. It's just all the libraries have access only to 5E dnd and Amazon and game stores - it's the current version and difficult for young players to be aware of other games in the OSR or other companies besides Grand Wizards of the Coast.
I don't think I ever bought anything by WOTC, not just D&D but any of their products. MtG wasn't my cup of tea from the beginning, and I didn't care to keep up with AD&D after 2nd edition. It is amazing though just how many companies over the past couple of years who have decided that their best course of action is insult and push away their customers. Bud Light is just the latest example outside of gaming, but Hollywood has been doing this a lot lately, and other examples abound. I don't know how companies ever got this idea into their head, but it is astounding how many companies are adopting this strategy. Whatever marketing company it is out there that is telling companies to do this, companies need to stop hiring that marketing firm!!
I am 45 and a long time player and a full time gaming reseller on ebay, and I also stopped buying WOTC products completely. I won't even buy Magic cards for resale anymore.
I am "later 50's white hetero... etc" and I'm looking at the massive amount of money I've invested in WotC since they took over. Worst case of buyer's remorse EVER!
it boggles my mind that their stock has even gone up after all the horrible shit they've done just this year. I started playing ttrgps in 3E in the early days of WoTC's rule, but I'm glad ive stopped buying and investing my time in their current bullshit. I hope they take a massive hit, and go under.
My mum and dad play tested for Arnerson back in the "chain mail" days (75) and to give you a clue part of the "weapon speed" thing was thanks to the Barony of Dreiburgen and the fighter practice at Paris hill park. I grew up with D&D and made my first character in 78. And in times past I continued the tradition that my folks had of buying first run first print of all things D&D (my kid inherited her grandmothers crayola dice as listed in mums will) and as of the latest shit flat stopped buying ANYTHING WOTC and never will again. Those pinkies got lucky they didn't try to force their way into some houses of nerds as we live in a state that has a self defense standard that DONT have a "duty to retreat" and a few of us have/has had a profession of violence. My current TTRPG group for example includes a married couple of retired skip tracers, a retired EOD stud and his wife the prison nurse, a retired green beret and his wife the biker bar bartender. WE all used to buy, at a minimum, each, the core book, DMG, and class specific books. And some of us have every edition of some favorite modules (Barrier peaks is the best, fight me) Not any more. And shy of publicly firing and appologising for the hiring of these twatwaffkes never again
I stand 100% with you. WOTC hast turned pure chaotic evil. OSR is the future. I just bought your cool pirate module. We the players do not need WOTC - they need us. I hope and pray that they get a Bud Light hitpoint drop to -11
Hasborg for me the minute the OGL debacles was finish, never will I spend 1 $c on them... I will only use better product 3 party and I'm converted all my 5e Games to Shadowdark and move back to Greyhawk. bye Hasborg.
I hopped back off of the WotC train soon after it left the station with 3e’s release. None of us in our group liked the game’s mechanics. Went back to 2E and I havn’t bought into WotC d&d since.
This is what happened to WoW, this is what happened to Star Wars, and i imagine this isnt the last. The popularisation of my favourite things is a double-edged sword.
It's also happened to Star Trek, Disney, Marvel, DC, Doctor Who, and I'm sure other franchises I'm not thinking of at the moment. Geek culture has been kind of ruined. It was so much better before company's started trying to push it to the normie crowds to make more money.
I believe the game should be enjoyed by anyone. There are too many of these companies driving a political agenda with the idea that they will recruit more people. All they are doing is pushing away those who made the game what it is. Thanks for standing up for what you think is right!
NotC and AssBro lost me a few years back with wokeness, low-quality products, and hatred for their traditional player base. The more recent stuff has just been icing.
This is the fire we need! I am right there with you!!! I have been playing since the 80’s and I am done. Picked up basic fantasy and labyrinth lord…..oh and I backed that Kickstarter that went over 1 mil
Started D&D in the 70's. Still have all the original books, box sets, etc. I love your Greyhawk curtains! I too am very upset with Wizards of the Coast destroying D&D.
never trusted modern WOTC for a while now. LegionsRaw on the other hand needs you, we appreciate you , and instead of sending goons over to your house will send promos for Master set booster box collectors, and a Master Class promo to the year set collectors.
Dont give money to people who hate you.
Its a good motto.
Unfortunately a lot still do. Despite the OGL fiasco, the Pinkertons, and stuff predating even all that, people unfortunately go right back to buying from WotC. Many big name youtubers who said they wouldn't support WotC anymore still fully admit they do in fact buy directly from and support them even now. It's infuriating.
Hahaha ~laughs in minority~
@@THEGRUMPTRUCK Thats true
Wotc/hasbro really screwed a lot , are they done yet? No, but they are inevitably dying.
@@jpick8245 No they are not the boycott and the Pinkerton debacle had no influence on their quarterly earnings at all.
We need to avoid them for our own case not to punish them.
Thanks for your courage to stand up against WOTC in such a public manner. I wish you all the best. I sure hope WOTC doesn’t send the Pinkertons to force you to take down this video.
Well said! 🙂However, I don't think Mr. Grognard would quietly endure an appearance by WotC's thugs...
They can try. Those wannabe cops can be called out by your county sheriff.
Even if they did, you just call the police and you're good.
@@johnedgar7956 Very big words from this guy who has stolen their IP and uses it illegally! WOTC informed!
You can't beat WotC's efficiency! In under a year, they destroyed a hobby I have spent four decades with. Well done, Hasbro!
They're not alone in throwing away their main revenue streams. Oh well, at least they'll get a good ESG score.
The hobby isn't a company. There are plenty of other rpgs out there other than Dum N Dummer. Many are far better products. The hobby is how you use the tools to create cool stories. It's the creativity and ideas in between your ears that matter most. In the end, the real hobby is the friends and stories we make along the way.
It sucks that they did so much heinous crap to get us to this point. Good job for standing up for your principles.
Its not the D&D we fell in love with, it's a corporate product and they are doing their best to remind us of that repeatedly
3.5 isn't almost D&D except if you play E6. But for sure 4 & 5E, FeatFinder and other "modern iterations" are videogame simulators 👍💪
It of reminds me of what happened to Blizzard, the game dev company. What was once a paragon of creativity and responsible for these worlds people love and grew attached to, is now a corporate husk of what it once was.
We are under no obligation to continue supporting the greedy nostalgia parasites. WE own D&D. We got our books and black flags and can support smaller ethical companies if we want new material.
@SteveFarEast 3.5 was panned as "just a board game of Diablo."
Interestingly, the video game mechanics most grognards complain about were inspired by existing D&D editions, not the other way around. (Spells per day is literally a cool down mechanic, after all.)
Wait until you learn about 2nd ed & the fact that 95% of it was a corporate cash-grab by Lorraine Williams...
Precisely what Gary Gygax did not want!
We might not be their target audience but I guarantee that we've got a whole lot more money than their target audience and they'll never see any more of mine. I dumped every one of my 5E books off at a used bookstore a couple months ago and like you said it was very liberating. The system sucks compared to AD&D and B/X anyway. Good riddance.
What's funny is that I know their "target audience" is leaving too. Me and all my friends fit into that mold, but we're not gonna give anymore money to a company like WOTC, money hungry and willing to throw any of their fans, their content creators under the bus. Plus their representation of minorities is half assed at best. Most I've ever seen is a side quest in Tomb of Annihilation where the players can save a man's husband from a death gauntlet in Port Nyanzaru. So fuck all lmao
@@xevenwood6553 Well there are many companies/creators who welcome ALL gamers (like Castles & Crusades, Shadowdark, etc.) regardless of what demographic they fall under or box they tick. If we can all enjoy each other's company online or at the gaming table then who the hell is WOTC to try and divide us right down the middle? Screw 'em.
@Kevin Lamb Exactly lol. I knew this well before WOTC went down the drain, but now my friends are willing to branch out. Me and my gf are working on getting a game of Cyberpunk 2020 running, me and my friends from high school are messing with Lancer, so it's going good so far. Might as well be roasting marshmallows over the dumpster fire that is WOTC and 5e lol
They don't even have a target audience. Their performative bullshit is so obvious and fake that everyone knows the kind of corporate nonsense they're up to.
@@xevenwood6553 I promise I'm not trying to start shit, I just want to understand something about your 'group' and you seem quite reasonable. The entire point of DnD is to have your own stories and make your own characters right? What more representation does one NEED when they can literally play over 12 difference species (races) and easily have more than 20 different sentient species(races) that exist in the overworld. Can't you just make the 'diversity' you want to see in your own game? Isn't the idea of racism and 'minorities' completely different inside the game world? Again I'm not trying to start shit, I genuinely want to know if I'm missing something that I can't understand.
I sold off all my 5e books awhile back and used the funds to finish my 1e collection. Feels like I've finally come home.
I stand with you as a fellow Grognard fan of Greyhawk and the true spirit of D&D!
I stand with you as well.
From your channel and everything you have in your room, it's obvious that you are passionate about D&D, and it's so outrageous what they are doing!
Just wanted to say Hi!
Listen, I haven't purchased anything from WOTC. I stopped buying from them when 3rd ed came out for a lot of reasons, and in fact the only third ed books I have were gifts. Ascending armor-class was a good idea and they had a few others, but overall the shift seemed to be away from a history and myth inspired game and toward an anime/console-computer game inspired ttrpg, and that was not the direction I was wanting to go. That and I had already bought BX, AD&D, 2nd ed AD&D, 2nd Ed Skills and Powers AD&D, and I had zero desire to buy the same game all over again. And know what? My table is happy with the version we play now and the levels of immersion we are able to achieve. As one GenXer to another---happy liberation day! That and I'm glad to see gen-Xers stepping up and calling out WOTC to the rest of the community for who and what they have become. And the fact that they couldn't credit Gygax and Arneson in the D&D movie for creating the game was just repugnant. And as far as telling us we need to leave the hobby so things can be more diverse is antithetical to diversity. Diversity is about inclusion and addition, not subtraction and exclusion. So who do these dunderheads really think they are?
There are lots of great miniature companies out there. Castles and Crusades from Troll Lord Games is a great alternative to AD&D--Pathfinder 2nd E, is a great alternative to 5e from what I understand. Shadow Dark is another game that mixes some 5e elements with an OSR style of play---there are so many great games and great miniature companies out there. We don't need WOTC or their Pinkerton leg breakers. The physical products from these other companies are actually superior, from book bindings and everything else. Otherworld Games has a great array of monsters what were inspired from the 1st AD&D Monster Manual. Every time I go to their site I just smile, and this is a small sample, but the gargoyles I ordered from them are FANTASTIC!
Ben on Questing Beast did a great breakdown of the difference between the generations of D&D players between the folk D&D crowd and official D&D. Folk D&D people typically view things that come from officialdom skeptically, and we're very comfortable saying, "yeah, but no. That's crap. Not at my table." That's a lesson a lot of 5e people need to hear and learn from us. So keep spreading the word, chief! Best and Cheers!
I stopped giving them money last year, before the OGL thing started, but glad to see that you're joining the no-WotC party!
Same.
Glad to see more people not giving money to a company that openly told their customers they hated them since 2011.
It's more a life-after wotc than a party but I get your point!
I stopped immediately after WotC bought D&D. I already saw what kind of company WotC was back then.
Not a DND fan but an MTG player and they lost my money several years ago. The contemptual demand for more and more of my cash for lackluster products was a bridge to far.
💯 agreed. I hope more people join us on this.
Honestly Im running out of places to escape reality to anymore. Im on Boycotts from >Deep Breath<
Disney, Paramount, and the BBC (Destroyed almost every science fiction franchise I ever grew up with, with Woke garbage and bad writing!!!), PedoFlix (I like my nighttime activity partners to be consenting Adults! + all the woke destruction of once great IPs), EA games (Don't steal from me!), P&G (Gillette, I'm too Toxic) Coka~cola (I'm too white) Activision/Blizzard (the reasons for Disney AND EA combined!) Anheuser-Bush just joined the list (king of Queers and Child abuse...............) and of course, Hasbro/WoTC. If it wasent for Japan's Anime, Manga, and Video Games, and Pathfinder, Id have no escape from this hell of a reality left at all, and probably would take the "one way Door" out..................
joined at the OGL scandal
WOTC has done everything they could to bring this reaction on. You are NOT alone!
I just stumbled upon your channel and this topic when it came up this morning on 'Dungeon Craft', regarding WOTC and their unleashing of a "Goon Squad" on a customer. I agree with you!
I have power coupons and young grandkids that listen to Opa - Eff WOTC/ Hasbro!
I've been away from DnD since 2003 and am boning up and knocking the rust off before doing the deep dive. I think your channel will be a good fit for me, as I'm also a huge fan of the more old school World of Greyhawk!
I teethed on the 1980 basic set after saving up money washing boats and stocking shelves after school as an 11 year old. (Dragon sitting on it's horde - in blue ink)
I mainly have played 2e up until 2003. I'm coming back and things have certainly changed!
Keep up the good fight!
Sadly, this is exactly what WotC apparently wants.
We should give them more of what they want then. I seriously doubt the intersectional genZ-ers who have never read a book they weren't assigned to read are suddenly going to start playing DnD and buying DnD products. They're trying to LARP as normal humans already and it's not coming off.
They want money but their algorithm may be flawed to increase it.
He didn't say he was leaving the hobby, just that he wasn't buying WotC products anymore.
Don't know what took you so long, but glad you've joined the rank and file.
Is that how you treat people who agree with you?
I realized what a horrible and racist company GWOTC was 4-5 years ago when they talked about having too many white men in their company. That never went viral and most never knew about it. so I forgive people for not bailing back then. Now, EVERYONE is realizing it!
Now to get people to realize Paizo and Kobold Press are just as bad!
@@CScott-wh5yk The harshness is necessary to teach a lesson. A parent scolds and punishes their kid for bad behavior, but it serves as a painful reminder not to repeat the bad behavior.
WotC isn't the only company who hates their fans. If someone swears off WotC, but keeps giving money to another company who does identical crap, no lesson has been learned. Considering how long WotC has been doing this, scolding is necessary. It shouldn't have taken till May 2023 for fans to learn WotC hates them, especially the whyte, male fans.
It's good that Greyhawk learned, but it's important he applies this lesson to every company that does the same sh!t. It doesn't matter how much you love something. Stop being a consoomer and giving money to people who hate you. Apply the same ban on giving money to Marvel, DC, Disney and every other company openly hostile to their customers.
The list of companies you posted makes me think that you believe "not catering exclusively to straight white conservative males" = "hates their customers" 🙄
And no, none of those companies hate white males. That's just histrionic crying from the snowflakes who can't accept the fact that other demographics are being treated as people & having their existence acknowledged. (Women & girls have made up almost half of the D&D player base since the very beginning, and non-whites have been a significant part of the hobby for just as long.)
Despite the conspiracy theories from the Jan6 & incel crowds, white men are not the most oppressed group in history.
And neither WotC, nor any of the other companies you listed, said they hate white men. Generally they've only said they're looking for more diversity in the industry, which doesn't mean "white men have to go" or anything like that. Claiming diversity = hating white people is some David Duke crybaby nonsense.
100% I'm at the same place myself, I started my experience with ttrpg's by playing 2nd edition and then the old school clone Hackmaster in 2001 and back then WotC was the enemy and i avoided 3 and 4th editions of DnD favoring the older stuff. I started 5E back in 2018 because I figured I'd give t a shot. I went whole hog, DnD beyond sub, books and the works, but this recent business, everything you have mentioned and the new non-edition update has brought me to the same place. I just started running a Shadowdark game and love it, WotC is never gonna get another copper from me.
Me neither. EVER. Well said.
Already did, brother. I backed the Kickstarter for Shadowdark TTRPG, which is written by a fantastic and brilliant lady (Kelsey Dionne of the Arcane Library) whose been making well written adventures for years. I've also been delving in DMScotty's EZD6 and Runehammers' ICRPG. WotC can go fly a kite.
We actually discussed all of this at our gaming session tonight. We've all agreed we're not buying WOTC products anymore. We're going to smaller publishers like Paizo and Riverhorse Games. I'm going to look for used books from now on from other sellers. Screw what Hasbro and WOTC are doing! Besides, Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal Adventure Games have been a lot more fun and challenging, definitely what I've been wanting to play forever!
Paizo do have their own issues, aggressively for alternate sexualities and have banned Christians from forums for objecting, but I am running Kingmaker soon. They have made good stuff, but I didn't buy it.
@@The_Custos i admit Paizo's got its issues, most companies do but this latest WOTC debacle's the end of the line for me. They didn't need to send the Pinkertons to the guy's house to harass him and his neighbors. I was willing to let the other stuff slide a bit but now I just cringe at the thought of spending my money on their stuff.
@@The_Custos Lol imagine being a champion against inclusivity and phrasing things as though paizo are leading some crusade against Christianity. No. Radical Christians are hateful people who want to push their beliefs on others and spread their vitriol, and that is what Paizo stops. Stop spreading your hateful propaganda, and maybe people will take you and your religious zealots a bit more seriously.
@@The_Custos LGBTQ/queer representation is not an issue
Paizo is no better, they are WOKE, anti-Christian And THE new WOTC in a few years.
I go further than WotC. I don't buy Hasbro. Haven't for at least three years, now.
Very glad this sentiment is spreading. Very sad it took armed thugs to get there.
Welcome aboard.
Bud Light's woes show your stance can work, James.
Good for you, Brother! I dumped my desire when I cancelled my D&D Beyond account in December. I've got more than enough D&D stuff going back to the 80s too. More than me and my players need. Time to move on away from corporate greed and entitled ignorance and start supporting the myriad of hardworking people who make awesome gaming products. They get my hard earned money from now on.
Yeah, I've got so much 70s and 80s stuff to get through. Should take me about... thirty years.
To quote Bruce Willis "Welcome to the party, pal!"
It is such a damn shame the way things have gone.
I grew up on D&D, ran my first game in 3.5 as a teenager, broke away during 4e like many did, and came back for 5e as it felt like a return to form (in terms of mechanical fidelity), and have run games weekly since its inception - Only to be consistently frustrated with almost every design decision regarding lore, mechanics, or anything else.
Of course there are other games, but It makes me sad, seeing something I've loved so dearly communicate its spite for me, my friends, and others in my community - to a level which I can scarcely begin to describe, as my words cannot do that hollow feeling justice.
I've already resigned myself not to support them financially for some time, but really - I think for many of us which the game has been a passion, we need to step back on the whole - Even piracy is too good for the wicked, as we advertise their product and grow a new community for them to exploit.
I grew up on Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, I played 5E as my first actual table-top game with a good friend, then I decided the game was getting bland and found out another group I knew was getting into Pathfinder and gave it a try. It's great! There are other options out there, and you can bring your friends.
In the same boat here, and people say I'm the dumb one
@@colinsmith1495 Those are both great games - been a long time since I played those! And yeah theres definitely other TTRPGs, pathfinder is decent, but its really too similar to D&D for me having come from 3.5 - you know? I'm glad Pathfinder 2E is branching away in design 😊
I play multiple different games, and weekly me and one group of friends experiment with new systems in shorter campaigns - sometimes the system is a small fan project, and sometimes its a larger IP we just never touched before.
Its always fun poring over a new book, theorizing how the mechanics will impact roleplay and reflect back on the setting, how it feels to GM for a system compared to others, as well as the types of unique builds/parties a system compliments
Once I finish running current 5e game (its been a longform one with a homebrew setting), I'll likely never touch D&D again
I’m really interested in other systems like Cairn.
I started with AD&D (the first edition). I jumped out from buying WotC products during the 3.5 era, when it became obvious that they were starting down the same path as their MtG line of selling the bigger and better hot new thing with every release.
WotC will never be able to replicate the past success of the hobby. They don’t know how. They’re on the same track towards failure that GW has taken.
Amen brother! I’m right there with you, no more money to tyrants.
You took the words right out of my soul! Welcome to the fold! BOYCOTT WOTC-HASBRO!!
3:48 is where its at. From the heart and finally someone has the balls to say it. And mean it. Bruh. I gots your back!
Here here!
The OGL wasn't first for me. I bailed when they decided to ban the guy who blew the whistle on the rampant pedophilia in the judge pool for Magic and proceed to do nothing about it. I watched, from the sidelines, as this whole mess of WotC being the absolute worst continued to snowball and how hardly anyone paid any attention to it until after it had become popular and they decided the people using the system to make money weren't paying enough in spite of the fact that it wouldn't have generated nearly as much in sales if they hadn't.
This wasn't the first time they sent the Pinkertons after someone, either. The guy in charge of risk management is a former Pinkerton.
Let this become a lesson to these companies. May WotC never recover from this.
When Rich S. said: "WotC will be much better when people who look like Rich S. stop buying their products," Wish Granted.
Any link to where this was said? I can't seem to find a reference. I'm curious if that's literally what he said and in what context. It would seem to be a really, really stupid thing to say.
@@sergioperez2771 I'm not certain since he said last year, in this was in February, but the closest thing I could find to this is an interview where Kyle Brink is talking about the workplace and was asked specifically about people in positions of power at the company who aren't "cis white men". I'd link it but RUclips doesn't like links, so the relevant part of his statement is:
“Guys like me, we’re leaving the workforce, to be blunt. And also, we’re not the face of the hobby anymore. I’m not the majority of this hobby anymore. And so it’s important to me that my team of creators look like my players. And have the lived experience that my players do. And I think there’s been mistakes made in years past where people assumed that D&D players were all white dudes in a basement. Which has been a faulty assumption for a lot of years, and gets more and more false everyday. And so it’s, in my viewpoint, honestly guys like me can’t leave soon enough, for this hobby.”
Hail Sir Grognard. Couldn't have said it better myself. You are 100% correct! I'm angry at myself for all the 5e stuff I bought during the pandemic. I sooo wish I hadn't spent all that money, and, irrationally, can't even bring myself to play it anymore even though those books & stuff are my property; I paid for them...yet I still don't want to play it now. The "Pinkerton" incident was the last straw.
Can always go back to AD&D and live free from new purchases. I did.
@@The_Custos Perfectly reasonable choice. It's a little wonkey around the edges, but it's a superior game to 5e from my perspective.
I gave up on WOTC years ago before the fourth ed. but yah... im 100% supportive of people walking away and taking back their gamming life.
Good for you
Ya the whole mtg thing was crazy, I hope that he sues them for it
Great video sir! People like us helped start this hobby. We sure will usher in something new if needed.
I totally understand the stance...it's a shame what Hasbro and Wizards have done to tarnish the brand.
I really wish I could get a glimpse of their minds because on the outside it looks completely stupid like do you have a side bet with nestle to be more evil or did they think dat alienating the fan base while you let goons bash their faces in is a winning company way to improve
First video of yours I have seen as youtube just recommended you to me. Here I thought I was cool when I laminated my Greyhawk map, then you one up my by turning yours into curtains!
Not just armed thugs, BUT ACTUAL PINKERTONS!
Amen Joe! As a fellow old school Grognard I stand with you in solidarity. Thank you for having the guts to step up and make a stand, while shinning the light on WOTCs disdain for the community that puts money in their coffers, and the shear folly of their words and actions... day in and day out.
Agreed, well said, as rousing as King Theoden's speech at pelennor fields! I salute you.
Oh boy, your intro really showed you were about to blow your lid off then the expletives flew out later. Well said 💯.
I will never buy directly from them, I will always buy from LGS to support my LGS.
The truth of the matter is this company needs to be boycotted.
94 likes in 31 minutes. I don't think you're alone in your conclusion.
Even Asmodeus is like, "Damn, WotC. You guys are SERIOUSLY fucked up"...
Welcome to the club, GG. It's a liberating and refreshing place to be.
I too have walked away from them after more than 3 decades. Stopped buying product a while back. There are many more great options out there from small creators and small companies.
Don't forget they also made no mention of Gygax or Arneson as creators of D&D in the film's credit. The very LEAST they could have done. Even Siegel and Shuster got credit in the Superman films.
EXACTLY!! I sat through all the end credits hoping for a "in memoriam" for Gary. Nope. They want us to think Hasbro invented D&D, and us older guys who actually suffered for this hobby ("Satanic panic", anyone? I still don't tell ordinary people I play D&D after that) don't exist.
They've turned corporate brand D&D into the "NOT ONE PENNY FROM ME " edition.
I am with you, I was already disgusted by them after the ogl. Now I’ll buy second hand only and refuse to buy anything that benefits them.
You should just get the counterfeit stuff.
@@GallantLee You're not wrong. Its going to be better quality anyway.
I’m near the exact opposite, I’m a young gay white woman, and I’m still mad.
If I say “WotC should not have some old white guy running D&D” what I mean is it’s some old out of touch guy who doesn’t care about the game and only the bottom line. A businessman, not someone with inspiration and ideas. And the crazy thing is the head of WotC IS an old white guy right now. So I’m not sure what they meant exactly. Like they don’t want to appeal to older players? Because it’s not about shitty upper management.
I’m pretty every D&D player was pissed at WotC for this regardless of demographic
last wotc/hasbro product I bought was a HeroQuest expansion, and that was a pre-order before the OGL debacle. I haven't, and won't, buy anything from them, ever again. And that was just over the OGL crapstorm. The rest is just confirmation.
Man I did not know about the Jeff Easley issue. Ive met him at the last 2 Gary Cons and bought an original Dragon print from him
It’s baffling how they can make so many missteps
Not really. The sense of entitlement often found in the c-suite of a large corporation is usually so massively intense that it's basically a disease. Once they start seeing the customers who make their entire business possible as an obstacle between themselves and money, it's over.
Because ESG DEI
@@pierluigi1412 No, they made tons of missteps there too.
@@SamWeltzin the DEI cult mindset itself is the issue
@@pierluigi1412 I assure you it is not. "Get Woke, Go Broke" is a cherry-picked myth based on the false cause fallacy, where you mistake "wokeness" for failures when in reality it's just bad writing and stupid business decisions. Plenty of things are "woke" and wildly successful; they just don't fit your narrative.
Believe it or not, people on my side of the aisle don't appreciate blatant pandering at the expense of the experience either.
Totally agree. I'm done with DnD that isn't really DnD (5e to anybody still wondering). I have seen the future of fantasy role playing and its name is Dragonbane. WotC had only got itself to blame for every customer it looses.
So glad to see more joining the FU WOTC movement! You've gained a subscriber from Agranak Studios!
I made this same choice all the way back during 4E, can't even remember what it was that made me turn on them but glad I did. Theres infinity other products out there that satisfy the same urge, we dont need them. I run Greyhawk with Pathfinder 2e right now, no big deal at all :-)
I run a home brew game using PF2E. I have created a magic items, and a few monsters based on Russian myth (that’s the setting) and the 4th monsters compendium has a lot of those too
I am a Black male in my sixties and I am with you! Kudos! I have been playing D&D since late 70's non-stop - this is the worst management of our hobby ever!
"The hobby will definitely be better without its most passionate and knowledgeable fans. Also, lets piss off all the new fans, too. Also, let's ALSO piss off people that make content for our game that makes it more popular. These decisions are smart and good and I make lots of money. I will go shove thumbtacks up my nose now." - A Hasbro executive, probably
Got my physical book from you bud. Awesome stuff!
Well done! None of us owe WotC anything. I boycotted them ever since they made little digs at other games in their Ravenloft book and preached to the reader about avoiding cliches when they themselves created new ones. I no longer DM the game anymore, but I run an alternative 5E game instead, Adventures in Middle Earth, which is of course an OGL. WotC quest to control the OGL has backfired.
The days of contemptuous, self-righteous corporate minions seem to be ending. Great message.
If we have anything to say about it, yes.
Glad to see you join us. :) You were one of the few holdouts I respected. The fact that you're bailing speaks volumes to their poor marketing strategy aka alienating part of the customer base to virtue signal to another part of the customer base.
OSR forever!
And they're not even good at appealing to their "target audience" either. They're out of touch with everyone.
So proud of you. I grew up and loved Greyhawk and had to say goodbye to it all. There is so much more out there. Keep it going folks and leave these trash companies behind.
Why say goodbye? I have over 4 decades of D&D books in my house...I still use them to enjoy whatever suits our group's mood when the time for a new campaign happens.
Absolutely fine as a personal choice. For me it is a matter of principle. I still use some of that old original content but they will nevwr get another penny from me
@@jamesmoffat-uq4kr Oh, I agree...GWOTC gets zero money from me. I have all my older products that I use.
Excellent...in the wise words of the Ausi Film The Castle...tell em to go and get stuffed!
I've been on the fence about 5e for a bit. I've been running Greyhawk 576 with A. Dark n Deep lately, and I'll stick with that. It's a good fit.
Buying the "ethics" award for the nth year in a row is just par for scum-sucking megacorps like Hasbro. It barely counts. Y'know what does? Movie credits: "Based on Dungeons & Dragons by Hasbro". Not by Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson. The use of the Pinkertons was the last straw for me. Either WotC flushes its executive team or it can count me as an ex-customer.
I've apologized to personal friends at WotC for this and they get it-they're looking for new work, all three of them. I do know people elsewhere within Hasbro and … I've not discussed this stupidity with them because I know they can't say anything. I only know that they'd make different decisions if they were running things at WotC.
Welcome to the club, I walked away from “new” stuff from them and I am having a blast show casing older editions, other games and other sources of inspiration for your gaming joy. I will support 3rd party creators, folks selling used stuff, anyone trying to create for personal fun game play for their table, and other new & old game systems. Find your joy again dear, you love old Greyhawk so just focus on how to spread your love & joy of that setting, it’s history and how to adapt it even for other games if you want. I pretty much decided the Wiz Kids at Wizards of the Coast are Live Acting the Roles of Insane Evil NPC Wizards (both for D&D & MtG… I play both) fire balling down their own Wizard Tower and supporting community in some crazy real life plot twist concerning the destruction of an Empire. It’s sad but sometimes you just got to walk away from the crazy self destruction. I was playing 5e too up until the shenanigans out of WotC & Hasbro just got to much, but I think the 5e folks still hanging in & buying new product are in for a surprise when the new version comes out. ❤️❤️❤️ Hugs
I agree Mr. J. Bloch. As i commented on Prof. DM's video I volunteer at 2 public libraries Teen D&D club and I switched over to Adventurer Conqueror King rpg and the other Basic Fantasy rpg and the kids did not care- ( combat was faster and more meaningful and scary and the rules were easy ). It was a difficult move to make but I had had enough- and this was a week ago. It's just all the libraries have access only to 5E dnd and Amazon and game stores - it's the current version and difficult for young players to be aware of other games in the OSR or other companies besides Grand Wizards of the Coast.
Run from the boardgame... come back to Theater of the Mind!
They're evil, they are fucking evil. Honestly, anything that can destroy Wiz/Hasbro will be good. Anything, no matter how horrible and tragic.
Everyone I know stopped supporting Hasbro in January
Likewise.
Just so you know, the hasbro executives dont see us as customers, they see us as people holding onto their money
I don't think I ever bought anything by WOTC, not just D&D but any of their products. MtG wasn't my cup of tea from the beginning, and I didn't care to keep up with AD&D after 2nd edition.
It is amazing though just how many companies over the past couple of years who have decided that their best course of action is insult and push away their customers. Bud Light is just the latest example outside of gaming, but Hollywood has been doing this a lot lately, and other examples abound. I don't know how companies ever got this idea into their head, but it is astounding how many companies are adopting this strategy. Whatever marketing company it is out there that is telling companies to do this, companies need to stop hiring that marketing firm!!
I am 45 and a long time player and a full time gaming reseller on ebay, and I also stopped buying WOTC products completely. I won't even buy Magic cards for resale anymore.
You don't have to leave Greyhawk, I play in Greyhawk using the Hero System lol...but D&D died for me at 4th edition
I’ll be running C&C using 1e Greyhawk, Yggsburg, and Joe’s Castle of the Mad Archmage.
I am "later 50's white hetero... etc" and I'm looking at the massive amount of money I've invested in WotC since they took over. Worst case of buyer's remorse EVER!
it boggles my mind that their stock has even gone up after all the horrible shit they've done just this year.
I started playing ttrgps in 3E in the early days of WoTC's rule, but I'm glad ive stopped buying and investing my time in their current bullshit.
I hope they take a massive hit, and go under.
My mum and dad play tested for Arnerson back in the "chain mail" days (75) and to give you a clue part of the "weapon speed" thing was thanks to the Barony of Dreiburgen and the fighter practice at Paris hill park. I grew up with D&D and made my first character in 78. And in times past I continued the tradition that my folks had of buying first run first print of all things D&D (my kid inherited her grandmothers crayola dice as listed in mums will) and as of the latest shit flat stopped buying ANYTHING WOTC and never will again. Those pinkies got lucky they didn't try to force their way into some houses of nerds as we live in a state that has a self defense standard that DONT have a "duty to retreat" and a few of us have/has had a profession of violence. My current TTRPG group for example includes a married couple of retired skip tracers, a retired EOD stud and his wife the prison nurse, a retired green beret and his wife the biker bar bartender. WE all used to buy, at a minimum, each, the core book, DMG, and class specific books. And some of us have every edition of some favorite modules (Barrier peaks is the best, fight me) Not any more. And shy of publicly firing and appologising for the hiring of these twatwaffkes never again
Crayola dice! I never realised what the crayon was for...probably ate it. 😢
I stand 100% with you. WOTC hast turned pure chaotic evil. OSR is the future. I just bought your cool pirate module. We the players do not need WOTC - they need us. I hope and pray that they get a Bud Light hitpoint drop to -11
Hasborg for me the minute the OGL debacles was finish, never will I spend 1 $c on them... I will only use better product 3 party and I'm converted all my 5e Games to Shadowdark and move back to Greyhawk. bye Hasborg.
I hopped back off of the WotC train soon after it left the station with 3e’s release. None of us in our group liked the game’s mechanics. Went back to 2E and I havn’t bought into WotC d&d since.
Havent bought Wizards since Tasha's Cauldron released. I buy third party where I can find the things that make DMing easier and better.
This is what happened to WoW, this is what happened to Star Wars, and i imagine this isnt the last. The popularisation of my favourite things is a double-edged sword.
It's also happened to Star Trek, Disney, Marvel, DC, Doctor Who, and I'm sure other franchises I'm not thinking of at the moment. Geek culture has been kind of ruined. It was so much better before company's started trying to push it to the normie crowds to make more money.
I believe the game should be enjoyed by anyone. There are too many of these companies driving a political agenda with the idea that they will recruit more people. All they are doing is pushing away those who made the game what it is. Thanks for standing up for what you think is right!
This isn't even the first time they called the Pinkertons on someone, either.
NotC and AssBro lost me a few years back with wokeness, low-quality products, and hatred for their traditional player base. The more recent stuff has just been icing.
"NotC" ha ha... good one.
What’s the “N” stand for?
Female dm in my 30's, and I am done too. I don't support evil.
This is the fire we need! I am right there with you!!! I have been playing since the 80’s and I am done. Picked up basic fantasy and labyrinth lord…..oh and I backed that Kickstarter that went over 1 mil
Started D&D in the 70's. Still have all the original books, box sets, etc. I love your Greyhawk curtains! I too am very upset with Wizards of the Coast destroying D&D.
100% with you on this.
never trusted modern WOTC for a while now. LegionsRaw on the other hand needs you, we appreciate you , and instead of sending goons over to your house will send promos for Master set booster box collectors, and a Master Class promo to the year set collectors.
We are on a crusade! Next step, converting my D&D group to OSR or Low Fantasy Gaming for the next decade.
The community lives but under a different roof. The ones who created our childhood are all gone and only the corporation remains.
Preach it, Grognard.
You might not be their woke target audience, but people like you ARE their primary customers.
Amen! Shout it from the mountain. I can spend my money elsewhere.
I´m totally with you. My group and me (playing since AD&D) just moved on to A5E. WOTC not getting any further money from us. Greetings from Germany :)
Good on ya, the more people that shun WotC the better.
WOTC doesn't realize that they don't need us! They don't realize that we don't need them to play Dungeons and Dragons. Good for you, man!
Good video, Sir. Any enemy of Wotc and Ha$bro is a friend of mine.
Remember when we said 'the revolution will be televised'?
We were close.
They don't care. They don't want people like us to be their customer base anymore.
This Williams hag seems to me even worse than the original one who sunk TSR.
Im totally with you here.
My Bannermen will ride to your call!