She actually sounds like she has a good singing voice, She just needs more confidence. I can tell she is holding back because she is to afraid of messing up a note or sounding bad.
Joan is marking through this entire segment - meaning she's conserving her energies by singing at half power. It's something you see in rehearsals for musicals and operatic performance. Though her own voice wouldn't be used, she had to keep her own intact. She'd sung in her own voice in numerous films. I absolutely love her in THE BRIDE WORE RED. She could have been a cabaret star: ruclips.net/video/rzQhAzJeWmk/видео.html
@@EagleRockers I don’t think she was beautiful. She always looked very hard. I’m not denying her star quality but it has much more to do with her presence than her looks.
@@scottfrazer655 this was MGM I am pretty sure she would have had coaching - as was afforded all of the stars. She just didn't have the greatest voice but is certainly far better than you would imagine. Given Joan's need for perfection, she would have probably had hired a voice coach in addition.
But when they resorted to dubbing singing voices in their quest for perfection, it always came across as fake, and therefore ended up as anything BUT perfect.
omg I just love the bit where she says "And stop laughing at me" -- she sounds so genuine and nice... Can I detect a Southern accent? I laughed out loud bigtime at the end when she murmers "Oh God!"
She was born in San Antonio, TX. Her screen voice was the coached Mid Atlantic accent common in the old studio system. In her private life, her southern accent slipped out. You can hear it in her voice mail messages to her friend Carl and in the that airport interview where she was in a wheelchair and slightly intoxicated. It's on RUclips. Miss Crawford's singing voice is actually very good. She had a unique presence that commanded attention on the screen. May she RIP.
Why she was dubbed who knows. She was a solid singer and even made recordings, including a few classical pieces. It was her hobby and a hobby she loved. She was good at everything she attempted overall. Look how trim she is here, how stylish, and how focused on her character. She was a pro, always a pro. What the public did not know about her was she was tiny; in later year she wore hats which added to her height. She really never looked old even when she was old, nor did she ever lose her interest in life and challenges. She had a great sense of humor in private and a lot of interesting friends.
KG2018 in the 1930s, her voice was so beautiful when she had to sing in other movies like Possessed (1931). During this point of her career she started to drink heavily so her voice messed up badly after that
I was shocked to find out that her height was like 5' 3". I thought, for sure, she was 5' 7". She looked tall to me, when I saw her in Mildred Pierce. She looks great here, at nearly 50...she kept herself in good shape, and must've weighed like 115 pounds here. I agree w/ many here: Her natural singing voice/performance has more depth and realism than the "cookie cutter perfection" of the dubbed vocals.
Her voice wasn't half bad and totally usable in the film because her beauttiful face and figure more than made up for it. Miss Crawford looked even better in the 1960s.
I'll agree that her singing voice is "decent," but the trouble is that this was not community theatre; it was a professional Hollywood production and she was playing a character who is a proficient singer in-universe. In this context, it's not enough to be just okay.
DAL138 ikr after I watched this, i went to watch her singing in different movies and she sounded way better in those ones. That's when I found out it was dubbed
I watched that spoof the other night. It was so hilarious I love Carol Burnett. But I was really excited to see this clip because I've never seen it I've only seen the parody.
@@tiffythekewlchick3457 And you would know "Stiffy the Kewl Chicken" since you Bock instead of talk. You obviously can not hear when someone can sing on key. Joan, while not the best singer, can sing on key and sustain a note. Grow up chicken and get and a new handle.. no one uses "Kewl" anymore. SMH
Jeanette McDonald was also at the same studio and complained that she didn't want Joan Crawford or any other singer competing for space with her - so she never got off the ground though she could sing quite well.
Joan actually had a perfectly serviceable voice, had they allowed a little more time for her to train vocally. Her tone and interpretation is actually quite lovely. She just needed a little more confidence and support.
I get this comment all the time: "If only she had trained!" I think it's an insult to these professionals - especially one as prepared as Joan always was. Of course she trained! At this age, this was the best she could do.
@@GreatClips99 I actually agree with you and I probably used the wrong verbiage. Joan was naturally talented and well trained from her early studio days. It was easier to lip sync acceptable studio voices from prerecording than it was to rehearse live capture and potential multiple takes.
@@DrewWasMe But virtually all songs were lipsynched to playback - even if the stars sang for themselves. This is the track that Joan used for filming - India Adams replaced Joan's voice after it was filmed.
Everyone who is in the know can tell you this film was a dog..the colonization of film at this point was on its way up nut Joan was on her way down..yes she was a beauty in her day and wonderful in Mildred Pierce and other earlier films..but this film was a big bow wow..and that hair and make up forever branded her as "too much"..
This movie has to be seen at least once. It stumbles from one cliche to the next as it spins a tale of HOW IT'S LONELY AT THE TOP. Carol Burnett did a hilarious take off of this movie on her old show, and they called it TORCHY SONG. See it!
Apparently during her early MGM days, Joan did some singing and voice lessons, and was actually pitched to make music and musicals. But another star at MGM, Jeannette Macdonald, was already a singer/actress and allegedly told Mayer that there wasn’t enough room for the both of them. Since Jeanette was raking in big box office at the time, they decided to axe Joan’s possible venture into professional singing to avoid competition.
Christina, bring me the mic!👑👑💛💛🤎🤎💜💜🩵💙💙💚💚🧡🧡🩷61 years and Now I find out that Joan Crawford has a well controlled voice and gives an outstanding musical performance! And she's holding back for some reason, could Joan be a shy singer, yes. Joan sing your songs like they should be sung like a Diva!
Joan was so amazing. She could do anything she set her mind to. I hate that Christina wrote that horrible book. OMG, that is so funny when she forgets the mike is on and starts cussing.
If you watch her sing and dance in the Hollywood Revue of 1929, she seem to be having fun with the whole thing. Same year the musical picture "Great Day" gets shelved and never finished because of her insecurity with her performance. Her record with Gus Arnheim's orch of " how long will it last" gets shelved at Victor records, I don't know of any artist on screen whose recorded work got supressed as much as Joan. Marilyn Monroe's vocal records were'nt perfect by any means but they were released.
There was a "soundtrack" album released for this movie, and it was clearly labeled "India Adams sings" and (rumor has it) that Joan Crawford was NOT pleased that a Record was out which made it clear that the vocals were not from Joan herself.
I'm not saying she wasn't gracious to India, I'm saying Joan was annoyed that a Record was released that made it clear that Joan's singing voice was dubbed for the Movie.
The voice dubbed for Joan is just over the top. It sounds like the singer is struggling, not into the song at all and not sure of the lyrics. Joan’s voice really surprised me. That is what should have been in the film. It so puts the feeling of the song across. I mean hell...Lucille Ball was allowed to sing the whole soundtrack of Mame (1974)
Mame. That was a HUGE mistake. She should have been dubbed and people would think better of that movie which other than her singing, is entertaining. Lucy’s voice was often dubbed in her MGM days. One exception was Dance, Girl, Dance where she sings a few vaudeville numbers in her own voice and it’s not fantastic, but it fits her character. But by the time Mame rolled around, Lucy’s voice had been wrecked with cigarettes and booze, and I suppose age. But you can hear the nicotine.
This is crazy... her voice is so unique, with so much personality, dubbing was one of the worst things that have happened to cinema, evryone sounded the same! a few months ago I heard the real voice of Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady, she was good!!!!
Best part of the movie when they go for lunch, Michael and his dog walk by Joan and he growls at her, lolololol. I certainly see what Liz Taylor saw in him.
The producer in the recording studio didn't discuss anything with Crawford like today's producers would have. Today it would be, "Oh that's great baby, just give it to me a little louder, softer. Not too much emotion when the bridge comes up. Draw it out right before the end. Sure sweetie-baby-cookie-honey . . . etc."
She has a good range and tone, I was surprised. I always think of her as one of the greatest Hollywood actors and dancers but I didn't know she could sing as well.
No. They had to replace her. If they had trained her for a few more months, she probably could have learned to carry it off. But he can’t hold a note and her volume is all over the place. It wasn’t pleasant to listen to.
As others have said I thought she sounded pretty good. I was expecting something bad.. I guess because of the movie was really about a really great singer they had to have a really great voice but in my opinion she did fine.
Okay. I have researched for many hours, days, weeks, months. I know that Joan Crawford had a very good singing vocal, however the facts that I have read, or heard by audio tell me that her vocals were never used in film. "Follow Me" in Torch Song was dubbed by India Adams. An act that was very disappointing to Crawford.
It won’t be long now. In a decade or two even the iconic Hollywood acts and actors will drop away, seen as funny (if not pathetic) caricatures of improbable human beings. ❌
Well, I think her dancing was better than her singing. Unfortunately, she gave new meaning to the word "hoofer". Before everybody complains about my comment, let me add that I don't think her on-screen singing and dancing mattered much. She was a force of nature with incredible will power and staying power. She could elicit the sympathy of the audience while playing the toughest broads. There are no lessons on learning how to do what she could do. And she did it better longer than any other actress.
Dubbing is a bad practice, but Joan's voice was obviously too thin. Her dancing is also curiously leaden, though less so in this picture. Michael Wilding was married to Elizabeth Taylor at the time, he did a few MGM pictures but eventually was dropped. Liz dropped him too, traded him in for Mike Todd.
Did you make this track from the audio supplement on the DVD? The only reason I ask is that there is a track on the 2006 edition of the That's Entertainment soundtrack set. I haven't heard it, so I don't know how similar the take is.
She knew she wasn't the greatest singer ever, so she didn't try to pass herself off as one and release albums (unlike some people- looking at you, Bette Davis 😏)
She was adequate, but nothing more. Notice how her voice suffers from "drop-outs" on certain notes (high, middle or low) and she loses volume altogether. This was certainly no voice for the Broadway stage, which is the type of actress she's portraying here. I like Crawford. She was no Bette Davis or Katharine Hepburn, but she had her moments.
She was just as good as them but had to fight to be taken seriously. She got shit scripts and had to make them work. The fact that Bette is constantly said to be better than her is crazy to me. They are equal. Different actresses, even sometimes similar, but equal. They offered Bette Mildred Pierce first, and Joan finally got a good script because Bette didn't want it. Joan then won the freaking Oscar but she wasn't first choice which was stupid and really shows how much her acting is underestimated.
Wait a minute. Am I not in on the joke? All these comments are satire, right? A voice not fit for karaoke. Dane steps learned from a ballroom class in Queens. The comment at IMDB is downright hysterical.
Just think, in the age of vocal doctoring and pioneering auto-tune Joan Crawford's voice might have been salvageable. As it was, she possessed neither the pitch nor the breath control to really inhabit the spirit of a powerful singer.
They used India Adams voice because she projected a bit more and sounded younger. Joans voice was beautiful, but it sounded like a woman in her fifties was singing (which she was).
God, how I love internet "experts". Did you read the note with the clip? Did you even watch the clip to hear Joan talking in the middle? I put India Adams name at the beginning because the first line is her voice. The rest is Joan's unused attempt that I restored. Sheesh.
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She actually sounds like she has a good singing voice, She just needs more confidence. I can tell she is holding back because she is to afraid of messing up a note or sounding bad.
Joan is marking through this entire segment - meaning she's conserving her energies by singing at half power. It's something you see in rehearsals for musicals and operatic performance. Though her own voice wouldn't be used, she had to keep her own intact. She'd sung in her own voice in numerous films. I absolutely love her in THE BRIDE WORE RED. She could have been a cabaret star: ruclips.net/video/rzQhAzJeWmk/видео.html
My God, she was beautiful and such presence! I'm so glad we have her on film; One of the greatest stars, ever.
@PolishViking Very well said!
Beautiful? No. She was striking.
@@jonathanmcvay4499 She was beautiful and striking. There, how's that?
@@EagleRockers I don’t think she was beautiful. She always looked very hard. I’m not denying her star quality but it has much more to do with her presence than her looks.
@@jonathanmcvay4499 Check out some of her very early films or some pics online. She was beautiful.
Say what you want about this lady but she was a friggin pro in everything she did.
This is pretty awful. A lot of it is very flat and out of tune. Not pleasurable to listen to at all.
She's clearly not a trained singer, but I prefer JOAN'S voice as it fits with her acting voice and look!
She actually took classical voice lessons in the 1930s. Sang opera arias and duet with Rosa Ponselle.
I agree. A little coaching would have smoothed the rough spots, and it would have been a lovely performance, not to mention a more authentic one.
@@scottfrazer655 Yes. She mainly needed to be a little louder in some spots. A little more self-confidence and she'd have had it.
@@scottfrazer655 this was MGM I am pretty sure she would have had coaching - as was afforded all of the stars. She just didn't have the greatest voice but is certainly far better than you would imagine. Given Joan's need for perfection, she would have probably had hired a voice coach in addition.
She sang earlier in her career and was praised for her vocal work. So she was at least experienced as a vocalist.
Those days it was about perfection not realism
But when they resorted to dubbing singing voices in their quest for perfection, it always came across as fake, and therefore ended up as anything BUT perfect.
It is always about who is the master.
omg I just love the bit where she says "And stop laughing at me" -- she sounds so genuine and nice... Can I detect a Southern accent? I laughed out loud bigtime at the end when she murmers "Oh God!"
She was from Texas I think
It surprised me because she never let it out in interviews
I read Joan was from Texas.
She was born in San Antonio, TX. Her screen voice was the coached Mid Atlantic accent common in the old studio system. In her private life, her southern accent slipped out. You can hear it in her voice mail messages to her friend Carl and in the that airport interview where she was in a wheelchair and slightly intoxicated. It's on RUclips. Miss Crawford's singing voice is actually very good. She had a unique presence that commanded attention on the screen. May she RIP.
It was said that, in weak moments, she'd revert into her childhood accent. "Mah name is Billie Cassin."
Why she was dubbed who knows. She was a solid singer and even made recordings, including a few classical pieces. It was her hobby and a hobby she loved. She was good at everything she attempted overall. Look how trim she is here, how stylish, and how focused on her character. She was a pro, always a pro. What the public did not know about her was she was tiny; in later year she wore hats which added to her height. She really never looked old even when she was old, nor did she ever lose her interest in life and challenges. She had a great sense of humor in private and a lot of interesting friends.
Wayne Brasler she couldn't hold a note
She couldn't really sing well and she did age.
KG2018 in the 1930s, her voice was so beautiful when she had to sing in other movies like Possessed (1931). During this point of her career she started to drink heavily so her voice messed up badly after that
I was shocked to find out that her height was like 5' 3". I thought, for sure, she was 5' 7". She looked tall to me, when I saw her in Mildred Pierce. She looks great here, at nearly 50...she kept herself in good shape, and must've weighed like 115 pounds here. I agree w/ many here: Her natural singing voice/performance has more depth and realism than the "cookie cutter perfection" of the dubbed vocals.
She wasn't good at raising children. At least not according to Christina!
Joan's outfit in this clip is fantastic!
it would have been better to have kept her own voice
That would have killed MGM on the spot. She sounds like a man.
i agree! it had so much more emotion
Not only beautiful... also truly talented young lady.
No.
Yes . The dubbed in voice was too obvious and Joan's own voice was not bad
Her voice wasn't half bad and totally usable in the film because her beauttiful face and figure more than made up for it. Miss Crawford looked even better in the 1960s.
I was expecting a disaster, she's pretty decent.
why were you even expecting a disaster lol
She's jesusly awful!!! India Adams makes a very plausible Crawford, however. Just the right husky quality, without sounding like she's at a funeral.
ferociousgumby if that’s awful you must have high standards man 😂 it’s not great
I just love Joan ... I love her voice 💗
I'll agree that her singing voice is "decent," but the trouble is that this was not community theatre; it was a professional Hollywood production and she was playing a character who is a proficient singer in-universe. In this context, it's not enough to be just okay.
This audio of Joan Crawford's actual behind-the-scenes dialogue/banter is absolutely epic stuff! Wowza! Thanks for sharing!
She had a nice singing voice. They shouldn't have dubbed over her
DAL138 ikr after I watched this, i went to watch her singing in different movies and she sounded way better in those ones. That's when I found out it was dubbed
😊
Much more sultry
Love Joan, but she sucked big time.
DAL138 I dont think this is Joan, is it?
I had no idea she could sing that well! They should have kept her voice!
She was no Florence Jenkins, but Joan's voice was inded pretty good.
@@jubalcalif9100 agreed!
She looks amazing in color!!!
She sounds good, and she looks amazing
I like joan crawford's voice better.
That was a very clever video! I really enjoyed hearing and seeing Joan sing with her own voice!
Carole Burnett's spoof on this was hilarious. Sing Joan.
I watched that spoof the other night. It was so hilarious I love Carol Burnett. But I was really excited to see this clip because I've never seen it I've only seen the parody.
Yes. I laughed so hard! She's an amazing impressionist!
"Damn it, keep going! Don't even stop to talk to me!"
India Adams remembers Crawford as a sweet person, they had some good time together on the set and Crawford sent Adams a thank-you letter.
2:18 and stop laughing at me!!
I agree with the others. They should have used her real voice.
Joan had a beautiful voice.. Why would they replace her voice?..
D G she couldn't hold a note
Oooh boy...you need to see a hearing doctor you seem to be deaf.
I agree, I love the subtle shades of her voice
@@tiffythekewlchick3457 And you would know "Stiffy the Kewl Chicken" since you Bock instead of talk. You obviously can not hear when someone can sing on key. Joan, while not the best singer, can sing on key and sustain a note. Grow up chicken and get and a new handle.. no one uses "Kewl" anymore. SMH
Jeanette McDonald was also at the same studio and complained that she didn't want Joan Crawford or any other singer competing for space with her - so she never got off the ground though she could sing quite well.
The critics called it, "Brilliant."
He's quoting a line from What Ever Happened to Baby Jane.
Remembuh whut yeeah ya made that pickchuh Blanche?
1954!
I made a picture that year too!
There's a guy who knows his movies.
India Adams dubbed the singing for not only Joan Crawford but Cyd
Charisse. In neither case did her voice suit the actresses.
I have to disagree , I think the timbre was a good match for Joan. Joan's voice is way below par for a musical
Joan actually had a perfectly serviceable voice, had they allowed a little more time for her to train vocally. Her tone and interpretation is actually quite lovely. She just needed a little more confidence and support.
I get this comment all the time: "If only she had trained!" I think it's an insult to these professionals - especially one as prepared as Joan always was. Of course she trained! At this age, this was the best she could do.
@@GreatClips99 I actually agree with you and I probably used the wrong verbiage. Joan was naturally talented and well trained from her early studio days. It was easier to lip sync acceptable studio voices from prerecording than it was to rehearse live capture and potential multiple takes.
@@DrewWasMe But virtually all songs were lipsynched to playback - even if the stars sang for themselves. This is the track that Joan used for filming - India Adams replaced Joan's voice after it was filmed.
@@GreatClips99 Thanks for the info, GreatClips!
I watched this film this morning on TCM! ❤️🌹🌹
Everyone who is in the know can tell you this film was a dog..the colonization of film at this point was on its way up nut Joan was on her way down..yes she was a beauty in her day and wonderful in Mildred Pierce and other earlier films..but this film was a big bow wow..and that hair and make up forever branded her as "too much"..
JC sang most of her songs in the late 20's and 30's. She actually was a brilliant singer.
This movie has to be seen at least once. It stumbles from one cliche to the next as it spins a tale of HOW IT'S LONELY AT THE TOP. Carol Burnett did a hilarious take off of this movie on her old show, and they called it TORCHY SONG. See it!
Apparently during her early MGM days, Joan did some singing and voice lessons, and was actually pitched to make music and musicals. But another star at MGM, Jeannette Macdonald, was already a singer/actress and allegedly told Mayer that there wasn’t enough room for the both of them. Since Jeanette was raking in big box office at the time, they decided to axe Joan’s possible venture into professional singing to avoid competition.
Anne Miller said in an interview that everyone at MGM had to be able to act sing and dance to a good degree - That was across the board
When I heard the voice of the man I was like "who is that?" Then I realized "THAT'S COLONEL POTTER!!'l
Christina, bring me the mic!👑👑💛💛🤎🤎💜💜🩵💙💙💚💚🧡🧡🩷61 years and Now I find out that Joan Crawford has a well controlled voice and gives an outstanding musical performance! And she's holding back for some reason, could Joan be a shy singer, yes. Joan sing your songs like they should be sung like a Diva!
God she is so gorgeous and so fucking talented
Joan was so amazing. She could do anything she set her mind to. I hate that Christina wrote that horrible book. OMG, that is so funny when she forgets the mike is on and starts cussing.
Eric Gregory her puss? 🤭
@@christopherramon-reid2000 YES!!!! Her PUSS!!!!! What don't you understand? Geez, man, you are thick in the head!
Oh, good Lord, who would not exit the theater after hearing the opening strains? Hope there was not a stampede.
Of course, this was never used so no one heard it.
The determination is so revealing about her success.
If you watch her sing and dance in the Hollywood Revue of 1929, she seem to be having fun with the whole thing. Same year the musical picture "Great Day" gets shelved and never finished because of her insecurity with her performance. Her record with Gus Arnheim's orch of " how long will it last" gets shelved at Victor records, I don't know of any artist on screen whose recorded work got supressed as much as Joan. Marilyn Monroe's vocal records were'nt perfect by any means but they were released.
In the 1930s she took vocal lessons. But by this point that was 15-20 years ago. She still sounded pretty good.
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beautiful, - beautiful singer, and actor.
Nothing wrong with Joan's voice
Her voice sounds pretty good to me. They definitely could have made it work with today's technology.
There was a "soundtrack" album released for this movie, and it was clearly labeled "India Adams sings" and (rumor has it) that Joan Crawford was NOT pleased that a Record was out which made it clear that the vocals were not from Joan herself.
Not true.
Joan was very gracious to India.
I'm not saying she wasn't gracious to India, I'm saying Joan was annoyed that a Record was released that made it clear that Joan's singing voice was dubbed for the Movie.
SharkSport I heard she was very gracious as well.
Jessica Lange nailed her Joan Crawford Voice in my opinion in FEUD
The voice dubbed for Joan is just over the top. It sounds like the singer is struggling, not into the song at all and not sure of the lyrics.
Joan’s voice really surprised me. That is what should have been in the film. It so puts the feeling of the song across.
I mean hell...Lucille Ball was allowed to sing the whole soundtrack of Mame (1974)
Mame. That was a HUGE mistake. She should have been dubbed and people would think better of that movie which other than her singing, is entertaining. Lucy’s voice was often dubbed in her MGM days. One exception was Dance, Girl, Dance where she sings a few vaudeville numbers in her own voice and it’s not fantastic, but it fits her character. But by the time Mame rolled around, Lucy’s voice had been wrecked with cigarettes and booze, and I suppose age. But you can hear the nicotine.
This is crazy... her voice is so unique, with so much personality, dubbing was one of the worst things that have happened to cinema, evryone sounded the same! a few months ago I heard the real voice of Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady, she was good!!!!
Best part of the movie when they go for lunch, Michael and his dog walk by Joan and he growls at her, lolololol. I certainly see what Liz Taylor saw in him.
I never knew he sang . This is the first I've heard him..I'm shocked cause Yu do learn something everyday
The producer in the recording studio didn't discuss anything with Crawford like today's producers would have.
Today it would be, "Oh that's great baby, just give it to me a little louder, softer. Not too much emotion when the bridge comes up. Draw it out right before the end. Sure sweetie-baby-cookie-honey . . . etc."
She has a good range and tone, I was surprised. I always think of her as one of the greatest Hollywood actors and dancers but I didn't know she could sing as well.
Joan is giving fashion fashion fashion here. Great hair too. Her voice is rather pleasant and good
I like how she says, Dammit get goin!! In frustration.
She has a very nice voice! Good control, nice dynamics. She could have pulled this off with her own voice.
Joan's version was much better😍
Oh brother.
No. They had to replace her. If they had trained her for a few more months, she probably could have learned to carry it off. But he can’t hold a note and her volume is all over the place. It wasn’t pleasant to listen to.
TY for the upload, great clip. :-)
Great voice. Talented gorgeous
I will always love this song!
As others have said I thought she sounded pretty good. I was expecting something bad.. I guess because of the movie was really about a really great singer they had to have a really great voice but in my opinion she did fine.
Her vocals were much more emotionally truthful.
They should have just let her sing. She was beautiful in every sense of the word
Okay. I have researched for many hours, days, weeks, months. I know that Joan Crawford had a very good singing vocal, however the facts that I have read, or heard by audio tell me that her vocals were never used in film. "Follow Me" in Torch Song was dubbed by India Adams. An act that was very disappointing to Crawford.
And I have restored Joan’s voice - did you watch the video?
That was a really interesting idea for a video!
This is incredible
It won’t be long now. In a decade or two even the iconic Hollywood acts and actors will drop away, seen as funny (if not pathetic) caricatures of improbable human beings. ❌
Joanie could sing a little, she could have put it over!
Just love this
I can't believe everyone loves her voice! It is Christly painful!!!
Well, I think her dancing was better than her singing. Unfortunately, she gave new meaning to the word "hoofer". Before everybody complains about my comment, let me add that I don't think her on-screen singing and dancing mattered much. She was a force of nature with incredible will power and staying power. She could elicit the sympathy of the audience while playing the toughest broads. There are no lessons on learning how to do what she could do. And she did it better longer than any other actress.
Dubbing is a bad practice, but Joan's voice was obviously too thin. Her dancing is also curiously leaden, though less so in this picture. Michael Wilding was married to Elizabeth Taylor at the time, he did a few MGM pictures but eventually was dropped. Liz dropped him too, traded him in for Mike Todd.
She had a Lovely voice
By today’s standards, she’s got a decent voice
I really enjoyed this movie.
I wish she was seen more in colour
me too! I love seeing the color segment in Ice follies of 1939. A few minutes of younger her in color!
I'm not a fan of Joan as a person but I do like her voice, I mean she wasn't young when she sung this either.
Did you make this track from the audio supplement on the DVD? The only reason I ask is that there is a track on the 2006 edition of the That's Entertainment soundtrack set. I haven't heard it, so I don't know how similar the take is.
Queen Joan Crawford ❤
Great video. I would have gone with Joan’s take! Where did you get the outtake audio in between? I’d love to hear the rest of it.
Her dynamics are really good
I’d love to buy a Joan Crawford Sings album if there ever was such a thing
She knew she wasn't the greatest singer ever, so she didn't try to pass herself off as one and release albums (unlike some people- looking at you, Bette Davis 😏)
She was good!
She was adequate, but nothing more. Notice how her voice suffers from "drop-outs" on certain notes (high, middle or low) and she loses volume altogether. This was certainly no voice for the Broadway stage, which is the type of actress she's portraying here. I like Crawford. She was no Bette Davis or Katharine Hepburn, but she had her moments.
She was just as good as them but had to fight to be taken seriously. She got shit scripts and had to make them work. The fact that Bette is constantly said to be better than her is crazy to me. They are equal. Different actresses, even sometimes similar, but equal. They offered Bette Mildred Pierce first, and Joan finally got a good script because Bette didn't want it. Joan then won the freaking Oscar but she wasn't first choice which was stupid and really shows how much her acting is underestimated.
That take tone at 2:38 sounds really modern and electronic for 1953
Definitely from the original tape.
@@kuklafranandollie I don’t doubt it. I was just fascinated with such a sound coming out of 70 years ago
Wait a minute. Am I not in on the joke? All these comments are satire, right? A voice not fit for karaoke. Dane steps learned from a ballroom class in Queens. The comment at IMDB is downright hysterical.
You are the joke.
Just think, in the age of vocal doctoring and pioneering auto-tune Joan Crawford's voice might have been salvageable. As it was, she possessed neither the pitch nor the breath control to really inhabit the spirit of a powerful singer.
A Star indeed
I like Joan’s voice, it’s nice
She sings like Imogene Coco.
I liked her voice much better. Fits the scene moreso
This is fantastic! Thank you for posting, do you have the recording session in its entirety available? Would love to hear more of this! 🙏🙏
All the audio takes are on the DVD.
They used India Adams voice because she projected a bit more and sounded younger. Joans voice was beautiful, but it sounded like a woman in her fifties was singing (which she was).
VERY good singer
Wow how did you get this footage/soundtrack!!?
When released in 1953 was "Torch Song" exhibited in 4:3 ratio or 16:9 as seen here? Cheers
According to IMDB, the Aspect Ratio was 1.75 : 1. Some say it was shot 1.33 : 1 and cropped for theaters. The DVD uses 1.75 : 1.
Her voice was dubbed by India Adams that’s why her name is at the bottom of the video. It’s not Crawford’s voice.
God, how I love internet "experts". Did you read the note with the clip? Did you even watch the clip to hear Joan talking in the middle? I put India Adams name at the beginning because the first line is her voice. The rest is Joan's unused attempt that I restored. Sheesh.
@@GreatClips99 sorry
The Carol Burnett parody of this is good
She was so beautiful till her end and her voice was just like her look not ooff course the greatest singer but...
Was that Harry Morgan?
Jonathon Woodgate REALLY! I thought so too. Distinctive voice.
Diese Frau konnte wirklich alles im Film, klasse.
... aber singen konnte sie nicht und auch schauspielerisch war dieser Film eine Katastrophe.
buena.