🟡 Cult Camera BUT Should You Buy It? Plaubel Makina 67 + Makina W67
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- One medium format film camera i've always wondered about. Plaubel Makina 67 + Makina W67
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Your portraits at the end were kick ass mate. Job well done. I especially like the first one, a woman's back, and she is looking out at the water.
Thanks Barry! It's difficult with only 10 photos but yes I like the depth created by the 6x7 format.
I owned a Makina 67 and later a W67, and really loved the cameras. They were so mechanical and tactile, with the loud shutter noise and winding. It did feel fragile though, and I had to pay a fortune and ship the camera from London to Florida to get the W67 repaired.
The lens rendering is beautiful, sharp with an extremely smooth bokeh.
I eventually sold them and got a Voigtlander Bessa III instead, which felt like a spiritual successor to the design, but with aperture priority. Great camera and feels less vulnerable, but I do miss the drama of the Makina!
Thanks, yes I have some older folding cameras and enjoy the experience without the cost/ worry. Both are great of course and great that you had the W67 too!
About a decade ago, I had the opportunity to shoot a Makina W67. And yes, that camera is beyond amazing. However, with current prices... if you have money to burn, go for it. For me, that amount of money would be better spent on several other (almost) equally nice medium format cameras...
Thanks, yes agree you can get a lot for the same about of money!
EXCELLENT VIDEO
Matt IMO one of your best, well explained, easy pace, very useful information.
What a beautiful camera, pity you only showing just a couple of photos
Any place where I can see more photos made by you of this camera.
Thanks for sharing, you really nailed it.
Thanks Rob, at least with each video I get another chance to keep slowly making small improvements, regardless of the topic. Glad the pace was OK, someone else wrote to say slow down so i'm trying. Sorry I only shot 10 photos as I had the X2D, Sigma 85, Lumix 35 f2 also to test in the same 2 days we had together. It has made me want to dust off my own MF cameras so I need to get onto that.
It is indeed a fragile camera with potential issues but the lens is legendary and the design is unique.
Thanks, yes so many echo your words here!
Thanks for the review. There are multiple places that still repair the Makina - in UK, Amsterdam, Portugal, Germany and the US. They will go wrong if badly treated but so will many delicate objects. The key is to find one which looks well cared for. Most likely to come from Japan where the camera was predominantly sold. You will pay import duty though. The reality is any modern top spec digital SLR will out perform any medium format film camera in terms of sharpness, cost effectiveness, weight etc. etc. The only reason you would want to own a good condition Makina is because you want to shoot on a Plaubel Makina. This is why I use them. They are old fashioned for sure and the shutter clunks when released, the bellows need to be well cared for but if you want to limit your shooting so you don't have to edit 10,000 images everytime you come back from a shooting trip then 10 rolls of 120 will give you 100 photos. If 10% of those are really good then you are doing great. You've just added 10 more images to your portfolio. Shoot wisely and well. If you want to hose the scene down in a tricky focus situation - stay away. Use modern tech. These cameras were £1100 in 1981 I believe. They are now around £1300 for the 67, £1500 for a good W67 and £1800 for a good nick 670. That isn't too bad considering inflation over the past 40 years. If you are UK based then BNW cameras in Bristol can service Plaubels. Hope this helps. Now to load up a roll of 120 in the 220 version ( the 670) and see if I can squeeze 11 frames out of it. I hear it's possible - I'll let you know if I succeed.
Hi thanks for the positive outlook and great details shared. Sadly I only had the camera on loan as mentioned but I do need to dust off my own MF cameras. (I always pick up 35mm bodies first!)
Dang! Adjusted for inflation, that's 3800 pounds from the original 1981 price.
I had the one with the Nikkor 80/2.8 and I stupidly sold it many years ago. A wonderful camera
Nice and easily done! I sold the Contax 645 before they were cool!
great video, but a correction, 80 mm is the standard lens for the 6x6cm cameras, like the hasselblad V 500 series,or the 645 H systems( the 6x4.5 is for the film back {HM16-32}- it is 33x44 with it's digital sensor box attached and is also this focal length) , the 6x7 has a standard of either 90 or 127 depending on preference( what is regarded in the Mamiya RB67 line of cameras, and their users), 645 has a standard of 75 mm, what you said was a generalisation, as the size increases, the crop factor changes, same with the lens on the front, aka the angle of view is simmilar to this focal length, ONLY due to it posessing the same angle of view of this lens in 135 format.
Thanks Andy, yes sorry my error, on 6x6 it's closer to a 50mm but on 6x7 more like 40mm I think.
I had a chance to buy one these in the early 80s from what was then Pelling & Cross in Manchester. Even then they were pricey. The best thing about them is that Nikkor lens.
Great! Yes I remember them never being cheap. I was looking at them 2014-2018 ish.
YES! I've used both the 670 and the W67 for a few years now, and I swear by them, used them rigorously and I've never had serious issues with them. They do need some more care then the average camera, but once they're taken care of (I would recommend a CLA as soon as you get them, to check over everything), they won't disappoint. Another thing as said in the video is that the 670 and the W67 were made at a Mamiya plant instead of the Copal plant like the original 67, which I think does affect the built quality, therefore finding a later model might help with longevity.
Ah thanks so much, that makes great sense on later models and very cool to hear that you have both!
They were made by Konica, weren't they?
@@seniorbenz yep made a mistake, Konica made the earlier ones not copal.
The Machina is indeed a quirky camera and the older ones even more so. But for my money , the quirkiness camera I have ever seen is the Swiss made Compas camera. Built like a Swiss watch.
Thanks Michael, i'll have to look that one up!
matt, at 11:03 you are forgetting the X1D series 80 mm 1.9, and the Hasselblad H series 100 mm 2.2; both stellar digital lenses when it comes to macro, and bokeh blur.
Thanks Andy, I was only talking about true MF lenses so not MF digital lenses. I had the 100mm 2.2 for film on my H2 but I don't count the 80 1.9 (You can see that in action in my X2D video*)
I want one but i have my fuji gf670 and seems too similar
Yes that was my choice too. GF670 should be better except for 2.8 DOF photos.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom yeah, more versatile i think with the 6x6 mask. Downside being, needs a battery... up side being it was made much more recently... If i want to do 2.8 shots I will just lug my (friend's) pentax 67
Excellent video!! I'm looking for 1) mechanical shutter 2) rangefinder 3) build quality/ durability 4) relatively light weight 5) medium format - is there such camera that exists? I found PB67 to be closest option but you mention its fragility for being a bellow camera... Unless I find a credible user and meet in person to check the camera, otherwise I don't think ebay will be my go to place either
P.s. I don't like Fuji camera for some reason so...
I’d go/ did go Mamiya 6 route. I’ve tried most, this, GF670, 7 ..
Thanks for the very interesting video.
For the price of the Plaubel you can get a Hasselblad 500 with 1-2 lenses, the Mamiya is even more expensive.
Given this, I would definitely prefer a Hasselblad.
Thanks yes this, the Mamiyas and Fuji are all pricey, Hasselblad prices have stayed pretty level
Noise yes, but a WLF + old 80c lens on a Hassy makes a pretty small (nice) box setup ..they get big fast with prism finders and big lenses + hoods
The Martin parr camera
Cool camera but feels a little fragile!
67 only has a cold shoe ;) great video!
Ah thank you, I was relying on "poor" online data as didn't test it personally as was too sunny. Thanks for confirming!
Hi Matt, have you ever used a Fuji GF670W? Like the GF670 but wide angle lens and NOT a bellows camera...
Hi! I didn't i've usually chased after cameras for portraits so the W slipped through the net. I'm sure i'd love it though (I had other Fuji cameras for 645)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I use a Fuji GF670 and love it (handles like a oversized Leica). If you get the chance to review the GF670W that would be great!
I use Camera Raw, Photoshop and Capture One, but not Lightroom. I'm interested in your Leica SL presets. Can I use them / apply them outside Lightroom somehow?
Hi, sadly not, LR presets only work in LR. Some people make CaptureOne presets but i've never used it.
The Plaubel bellows struts are inherently unstable and prone to wear. The most stable and positive bellows struts are those on the Ensign Selfix series with the Ross Xpres lens. Mostly modestly priced apart from one model. The Epsilon shutters are their weakness.
Hi thanks for the great info. I know the brand but have little knowledge of them.
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The post war Selfix range are worth a feature video to themselves.
Having tried various roll film cameras, they seem to be among the best engineered and stable. There were a few with Prontor or Compur shutters. The native Epsilon shutter that most of them had is prone to failure at the slow speeds.
The Ross Xpres lens is a superior version of the Tessar. The rear element is three cemented pieces of glass.
Plaubel Makina iii with 100mm f2.9 would be my choice.
Ha nice! :) Use the RZ with 110 2.8 - great setup!
Wow Matt, you are brave buying a Makina, never mind two! An appalling record for reliability and difficult to find people willing to repair them. However when they work the Nikon lens is sublime, but I may be biased because my Makina experience just lasted eight weeks before selling it. You can get a Fuji GW670 (if its the 6x7 format you are after) and its a superb rangefinder camera and half the cost of a Plaubel.
Thanks Steve! No it was only on loan, I didn't buy for exactly that reason (and I knew of them way before all the prices went up). Great tip on GW670 for wide shots. The video mentions my GF670 for the 80mm equiv as that's what I used to use. Not half the price though. Premium price.
As you speak of fast medium format cameras, have you ever tried the Norita 66 with the 80mm f2.0 lens? if so, I'd be curious to hear your take on it. Cheers!
Hi Richard, I've not. The fastest I knew of is the Mamiya 645 80 1.9 that I have but that's only for 645 not 6x7
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom If you make it to Los Angeles, you're welcome to take my Norita 66 out for a spin. I'd love your superb lens reviews and I' like to see your take on it. I also have the 40mm f4 lens for it.
@@richardt1792 thanks! If you follow the blog I mention where I’ll be traveling too. There is a small chance I’ll be in the US next month to teach. TBC
Not for me. Film is just too expensive and I’m way over the cool factor. Keeping my GA645, M6, and FM3A.
Thanks Brad, yes 6x7 format is not cheap now. Agree 35mm and 645 are best value. (Nice cameras!)
I’ve also considered this in the past, but the fixed lens is a limiting factor for me, along with the fragility. The Mamiya 7 is a better bet if you don’t absolutely need f2.8 or don’t take closeup portraits. Fun to own tho’.
Thanks Mike, agreed! Yes I prefer to swap lenses too.
Fragile and easy to misalign, get a Fuji GW690III or earlier, they are rugged with great lenses
Thanks! Many say exactly the same as you!
Great video 📸! Cool camera, way to fragile
Thanks! My thoughts too
I would prefer the Mamiya 7 II !
Nice! I tried to like the Mamiya for years but finally gave up and sold it.
06:21 IS that a hot shoe? It doesn't look as if it has a sync contact in it, just a slot for clearance. If it doesn't have a hot shoe, you'd need to run a sync cable to the contact on the lens. (Not that I'm going to buy one either way - cameras that are easy to break and hard to get fixed give me the willies!)
Thanks James, my reading suggested it is but agree if the data is wrong then a cable to the flash does the trick. Well spotted!
The 670 has a hotshoe for flash sync but the 67 has to be plugged in to a sync point on the side of the lens. Same with the W67.
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When do you sleep? Do you sleep? ;o) Thanks for the review.
It was sad, I could see the rare warm sunshine outside but I knew I needed to get this video edited (after 2 workshop days then moving house day). Worst thing is, it's not a Leica so the usual less commited crowd wont watch the video anyway. Sometimes I just need to post videos to build the online library of info for as many cool cameras as I can to help others.
I wouldn't spend $2000 for this. The Fuji 69 as an amazing lens, even the Voigtlander would be a better buy and has the Helier lens.
Yes I went with the Fuji/Heliar setup
The answer is NO. Too ugly :). Marcel Dassault (famous French plane builder) used to say : to fly well a plane MUST be beautiful … I think the same for cameras , so definitely NO 😜
Haha thanks.. I agree with regards you need to like the look of something.. car, plane, camera..
Not a word about using filters on this camera. Sigh....
Sorry! I tend not to use filters for portraits so didn't consider them
Never wind the camera and never focus when the lens is not extracted!
Thanks Roland!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom you are welcome! Another thing: when you close the camera, the focus should be on infinity.
When GAS hits you in the ass...... ask yourself one simple question. "Will I make your photography better?" Answer: No
Ha love that Daniel, and agree normally the answer is no .. unless it makes you shoot more
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Considering the price of film plus processing and scanning shipping? I dunno. Doesn't seem worth it. Diminishing returns.Oh sorry yeah. "It'll slow you down and force you to think about composition" - Bollocks