I have both the Gen 2 and the Gen 3 (the one you're reviewing in this video). For anyone interested, the Gen 3 IS FAR superior to the Gen 2 even considering quality of assembly and design. The Gen 2 needed a lot of tuning up to get it to work half way, but the play in the the Gen 2 was almost unliveable. Definitely buy the Gen 3, of course this is my experience so some may disagree.
@@jamesfeldman5152 I have a Gen2 that is solid.... Only part that has play is the stoneholder , there's to much play on the bolt that holds the 2 parts together. Which allows the plates to bend if you push to hard on the handle. The sharpener/clamp itself is rocksolid ! And pretty much spot on for each side.
@@dannybax1982 the stones are bending? You must still be using the plastic backed plates that shipped with the device, if they are bending. Change em out for bare minimum aluminum backed like TSPROF set of 5-6 starter diamond stones, $70-80 for the set. Not the best stones but if you buy a few good lower grit, 200-320 initial profiling stones from ATOMA or JENDE, you could potentially use the smoother TSPROF grits as finishing stones, as they will wear and become so much smoother grit, with use than they initially started as. Just a theory, 🤔 until one can afford another half thousand $ or more for top o the line stones. That’s my plan any way, whenever I get to affording a fixed angle machine. I’m certain Jared will be able to give you far better advice on my theory, as I’m still learning how to hand sharpen. Good luck all and thanks again Jared. I must tell you, I enjoy your collaborations with Outdoor55, you guys have good chemistry and I’ve learned heaps from you both. 🙏🙏
@@dannybax1982 I had a different experience, lots of variation from side to side and lots of loose parts that took some tubing up. The gen 3 was way better out of the box. I took Neeves advice and got the TS prof stone holder and it's perfect.
I bought the Gen 2 Xarilk system earily this year. I have been very happy with the results it produces for the price. The Gen 3 looks like they may have addressed my few complaints with the Gen 2.
I use L-adapters on my TSPROF Kadet Pro instead of the double clamp. They achieve the same thing, are also more flexible and cost half as much. To adjust the angle: 1. Clamp the knife with the blade as centrally as possible. 2. Select a whetstone. 3. Adjust the thickness of the whetstone on the compensator. 4. Place the whetstone on the push rod. 5. Adjust the stops on the push rod. 6. Place the whetstone on the blade. 7. Place the protractor on the push rod and set it to zero. 8. Place the protractor on the arm. 9. Select the desired angle (approx. -0.25 degrees as the angle adjusts slightly when the adjustment wheel is locked. e.g. if you want 17 degrees, set it to 16.75 degrees. After locking, it will be 17 degrees - at least that's the case with my TSPROF Kadet Pro). I mark the cutting edge with a pen so that the material removal can be better controlled during grinding.
I’m hoping I’ll get lucky and win the TSPROF because it’s the only way I’ll even take a chance on sharpening any of my knives!!! With Jared’s shared knowledge of coarse!!!
Just know that a roughed up knife can be made to work very well with even just a few messy passes on a single, coarse grit stone. I have a bunch of cheaper work knives that I just keep jagged, coarse edges on and they work great. Better than sharper knives much of the time.
"of coarse" Pun intended? Good one if so. I watched a few how to fix it vids on the Xarilk. Stones aside it appears to be a great entry level sharpener. $1000 for the big boy, not for me. Maybe the Xarilk will force cheaper prices fron TSProf?
You are so awesome for sharing this. It’s absolutely invaluable information for people who don’t know where to even begin with searching for a good professional knife sharpener. And I must say, technology has come a long way in the artificial diamond industry, especially for high quality precision tools, I don’t understand why they still have to have cheap stones that don’t last like the ones that come stock with this system. Regardless, this is an amazing value!
Awesome, had been waiting for you to showcase this one! You got me on my Atomas last year and now I’m eyeballing my 1st guided system. Can’t wait to see wicked edge offering!
Good video but couple notes for you Jared - you discussed Wicked Edge and mentioned stone incompatibility. You CAN actually use any 6 inch stone with a Wicked Edge system, just get yourself the Gritomatic Leading Edge Wicked Edge stone holders and you'll be able to use any of your 6x1 stones on a Wicked Edge. Secondly, you don't need a central mounted clamp at all - if you move both clamps to the side of the clamp bar on this or any other similar sharpening system, the angle is NOT affected at all. The reason it looks that way to you, is you're using the digital angle cube incorrectly. A digital angle cube like yours is not a 3 axis angle cube (like the TSProf Axicube is as an example), so you have to make sure it's perpendicular to your sharpening bar and clamps when measuring your angle. If your angle cube is rotated slightly, it measures incorrectly. Hope this helps!
@@Hellohappy1 The Gritomatic Leading Edge "6 inch stone holders for Wicked Edge" work very well on the Wicked Edge systems. I can't add a link, it keeps being automatically removed, but just search for it on the Gritomatic website.
I went through that a couple years ago as these systems became more prevalent lol Now I even put edges on some friends kitchen knives who have systems. They like my edges and a several of them are fascinated watching freehand. If you find no joy in freehand? That's a different thing and, hey, why not a system? ✌🏼🤘🏼
You want both. Why the hell would you set all this up for a simple spear point that you will bring to 600gr maybe, if you have mastered freehand, 2-3 diamond plates, a strop and in 15mins you brought a fully blunt knife to hair popping sharp (even hair whittling, once you truly mastered holding your angle repetitively and transition from one to several strops) . If you have a different blade shape your not comfortable with freehand, if you have steels you wish to bring to a full mirror polish (it is exponentially easier with a fixed angle because you are not augmenting your chances of screwing up by augmenting your number of passes), where as freehand (unless you’re a robot or have a fixed wrist prosthetic arm) you definitely up the chances of a messup by doing hundreds of passes to bring out the mirror polish. Also if you are resharpening a knife you are familiar with, and maintaining the current edge angle: 100% freehand is faster, but if you are re-profiling the edge and fully changing the edge profile/angle, a fixed angle system will most definitely offer you way more precision and accuracy. Never listen to someone that affirms without any flexibility that their way is the only way and who pick a side and will defend their position no matter what. No matter the side they pick, they are wrong because they are set in their ways and wont expand/explore past their own self imposed mental limitations. The right answer is both. Mastering freehand is a skill that will follow you forever, and is favourable to certain situations. Having a quality fixed angle system will offer precision and repeatability like nothing else can. (Also; bonus perk of owning a quality fixed angle even if you have mastered freehand: if you are ever injured and loose temporarily usage/dexterity in one hand, you can still put a hair whittling edge on your blades with just one hand, even if it your weak hand. Try freehand sharpening with just one hand …😅)
Nice video and right on time. Maybe loosen the tension on the stone swap thingie. Go to your local steel recycle place. Poke in the scrap pile til you find an appropriate heavy chunk of steel. A few dabs of rubber cement and your setup will stay put and be reversible.
Just got this and quality is legit already sharpened all my knives the first day. Got extra stones from other company as theirs is plastic back that bends.
Another one that sees the slight bend. You can adjust for it, but why should you have to? Plus, depending on the bend, you could get an apple seed or hollow grind. A huge part of these designs is repeatability and those plastic plates aren't consistent. I've found the TSPROF 6 pc plate set would be a 5 compared to the plastics' 3. The PDTools Expert Pro plates I got from the USA Market link in Jareds description & they're amazing! 3 plates, 225, 650, 1100 for under $50 USD ea. There's always something better but I'd give these an 8/10.
@@JulianLC23 I would recommend it. As you can see above, just replace the plates if that's a concern. Myself & I'd assume a few others are picky about such things like the plastic 'plate' bending slightly. In 80% of home or general use, you probably wouldn't notice. But enthusiasts will & that's why we get higher quality plates that will provide more consistent results & last longer - at a price, of course. Hope that helps. Cheers
Looks like a great alternative for those on a budget especially when compared to what's out there at the same price point. Does need a few add on pieces but yout can get then at a later date. Think better stones and at least a rubber stopper (proper size oring acting as an overtravel stop) would be first on the list of upgrades. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
I just got your Misdemeanor, and I think I already found an upgrade for it. I believe the Skiff 3/16" x (12) x 1/16" will fit perfectly. The bearings you use seem to be the exact same as the Kershaw Lucha and the Skiff's mentioned above are for them. Maybe you should sell them on your store?
Wow…I’m gonna buy skiffs for a knife sitting in the living room beckoning me to open the pkg 30 something days early. My Darlin has adopted foreplay methodology from Dogeth the One. Which is cruel….i don’t have her refractory period. Mean mean mean. And that defeats the good will the holidays is supposed to create. What? Whining? I’m not whining. Sheesh. Cheers.
Still love my Gen2 Xarilk !! Mine does have the guard the other way around , which makes more sense. Having the rubber towards the blade protects the edge , while the guard protects the fingers.
I’m torn between gen2 and gen3 Amazon has gen2 as marked as being returned a lot but I like that the gen2 already has the single clamp instead of the double the gen 3 has. How long have you had the gen 2
Just got my misdemeanor today and Lordy what a knife. It sings like a choir boy in church and it’s so ridiculously thin behind the edge and the blade stock. Then the belt satin dlc finish is just amazing makes it to where I don’t have to worry about the k390 rusting down here in NC. Thanks for an amazing knife. Also thanks for reviewing this knife sharpener I’m going to buy one to upgrade my cheap plastic work sharp fixed edge system.
Right now these are being sold with 3, 5, 7, or 9 stones all at the same $108 price. The 9 piece gives you 2 each of the 800 and 2000 grit plus some additional grits. Buys you a little more time before buying new stones, and since the price is the same as the 3 stone kit . . . . . . Thanks for the review. I have a Lansky, which is fine for smaller knives, but the holder is an issue with long kitchen knives.
I was interested in this until I figured the price that I would have to pay to get the diamond stones to make this system work for my knives. After going through those numbers, the new KME system is a much better value especially if you have already invested in the KME diamond stones and a handful of Jende custom stones for that system. It is tempting, but for me, I am upgrading my KME and sticking with their platforms. Plus that system comes with all of the clamps that are needed right out of the box.
If you've already invested in the diamond stones it's only going to cost you $100. If you don't have any stones you can buy a set of TSProf stones and one of these and it'll cost you about $170. That's significantly less than the cost of the new KME system to my money. But if you're already invested in a system and you're happy with that, sure, it makes sense to stick with it.
I use the xarilk gen 3 with tsprof diamond plates. No complains at all now my xarilk has some play, every time I locked the angle , the angle would change, I email Xarilk and they helped me out, the sharpener can be easily tune up to get it nice and smooth and eliminate any play , also I overtighted one of the clamps and I bent it. I email Xarilk and I told them it was my mistake and I wanted to buy new clamps, they sent them to me for free, no complaints at all. The sharpener is good having a tsprof is like having an infinity car to drive to point A and B instead of driving a Nissan to drive from point A to B, no much of a difference but the infinity will perform a little better
Yeah Neeves I run 2 rod stoppers. Before and after the heim joint. Also just use the L adapters for the oem clamps. They have allowed me to sharpen shorter blades. Also upgraded the stone holders on my Kadet. Had some close calls on the forward pass as well. Never cut myself. It that’s another decent design adaptation.
I had seen these before and wanted to know more about them. I greatly value your opinion on these things. Might just have to check one out. If anyone is wondering, the sharpener and all the things you could add on might set you back for about $ 320.00.
You can get everything i mentioned without extra stones for a little under 200 or about 200. The stones will cost if you go with decent ones about 150 however you can doit piece by piece you will have what you need with system, then one month later get the parts, another months stones and you don't have to get them all at once and strop you can spread it out into a few payments that way
Just as a little tip regarding the digital angle finder: There are free apps for your phone, that will do the same. Just zero it out on the knife and put it on the bar for the angle. Is it as accurate as a real angle finder? Propably not, but within 1° to sharpen your knife it works for sure. You can test it with some geometry triangle or other known angle as well.
I got one of these a month ago and love it. Also xarilk makes a single clamp model also. Btw, could you put a link to a website where you can get those guide arm clamps? Can’t find
@@JoshMurphy-f9v I’m pretty sure on tsprof website, eBay, Amazon had it. But it’s about the same cost as the sharpener. I instead bought the other cheap sharpener from this company that’s a single clamp style.
I got an Xarlik about 2 months ago. its a great machine - especially for the price. The stones got me through about 10 knives. I'm def in the market for new stones. (lets see what my wife thinks -Ha especially since I have major damage from hurricane Helene. )
Will the L Brackets that TSPROF sells for $28 - 30 compatible? 18:45 Much cheaper than the single bracket if they are Jared. Thanks again for all the scoop mate. ✌️
Very interesting option. You said that it could hold the shorter stones but I know that the ends of the KME stones aren't beveled. Is it capable of holding the KME stones securely?
It Doesn't matter the clamp can still hold the flat sided stones, just not as good but I used to only use them in my tsprof no issues, but having the lip does make them more secure
Jared, besides the obvious of fixed angle systems holding the angle for you, is there any advantages of this vs freehand? Would this benefit someone who has mastered freehand in anyway. ?
How does this compare to the Work Sharp Pro Precision Adjust system? I'm looking to get a good fixed angle sharpening system -- cost is a secondary concern. Cost efficiency relative to overall performance is primary for me. Thanks!
My Work Sharp PPA got wore out after a decent amount of use. If you want good pro looking results get something else more sound (built better or tougher).
Do you recommend this system over the Work Sharp Precision Adjust Elite? Aside from the WS proprietary stones, that is. The price is around the same, if using only the included parts in both, and I'm curious if the actual design of this is worth the additional cost of adding good stones, the clamp and stops to it. For context, this would be my first system since I used to use a friend's Lansky system over a decade ago 😅
You probably mean the Work sharp PROFESSIONAL if you mean the precision then yes this is better if it's probably then the pro is better unless you buy all the stones/ Strop/ceramic you will need and that clamp i mentioned
@NeevesKnives the Precision Elite is just the Precision + Accessory kit (more stones, strop, etc.). I'll be replacing it with this one on my Amazon list. Thanks! 👍 BTW, as someone just getting back into quality knives and sharpeners, who's been doing hours of research daily, here and elsewhere for a month or so, your channel is absolutely S tier. Hands down, the overall best I've found. There are only a handful of channels that even come close. All the invaluable info, advice, and genuine perspective you provide is very much appreciated 🙏
I have the Kadet pro but the gears and the tuning knob are a little tight maybe i should pit a little bit of lithium grease on the gears, that may help it operate more smoothly. With that being said, if i didnt already have the real thing i would definitely check this one out.
Okay, I bit the bullet. Got the Gen 3, stops, single foot and two red quick clamps. Now what and where can I get a Compensator and how to use it. Thanks Jared….. 😊😊😊
Curious if you actually like the design of WE. I see it as an accident waiting to happen. I dont know about waiving your arms and wrists back and forth over a blade sticking up on edge while you make it sharper. Maybe thats just me
Can you link me to a video on exactly how to find an angle with a digital finder or explain how to find an angle? I thought you just zero it out on the blade and then put the angle on the stones?
It depends on the system you are using if the clamp is level then yes that's what you do however if the clamp holding blade is at angle you just either zero out then check clamp angle and rod angle and add the 2 numbers together. Or you can zero out on the clamp then the rod should be accurate to check.
I saw this sharpener about a month ago and was considering getting it but wasn't sure if it was any good. Then CBRx posted a couple videos about it and now the master himself. Perfect timing! I kind of like the gen 2 more, it has the single clamp and rod stopper already, but probably doesn't have interchangeable parts with TSPROF. If you read this Jerad, thoughts?
Pu t a 4inch tall knife and the flex on the edge was deflecting with the two blade holders. The taller knife sticks out farther and the blades flex. Not good.
I love my Tsprof pioneer but always said what is different price wise than their high dollar offerings. So they charge hundreds more for design? It can't be materials.
The stone holder is better on Hapstone for sure! Both are really good and it's a tough call but but the hapstone, however if you get all the accessories I mentioned then it does make them much more evenly
Hi! can you tell me what is the distance between holes in the base? I want to buy an acrylic or steel plate to make it more stable ( round plate like tsprof) and thinking about it's diameter
What is the protecting tape called you use, yellow/translucent? I recall you mention it was anti scratch tape or something, but for the life of me I cannot find that video again. Appreciate any help. Would like to try something different than masking tape.
When using the angle finder can't you just zero it behind the clamps and then set on the rod and have your angle instead of measuring two angles and adding them?
I bet if you tried it you would get the same result as the way you showed with one less step. Not that your way is very difficult but I like to keep things as simple as possible 👌@@NeevesKnives
Well that's tough, ones made in usa so I will say this if you plan on getting all their stones as they are proprietary, then WE as long as you will be happy with them which I have no doubt you will, however if your eventually wanting bonded stones etc then this as long as you get the parts I mentioned, I would go with this since I have all the stones in the world for it
Not unless you are planning on switching to a different kind of stone like a different brand or something. However sometimes your strop can be a little different so in that case you should if it is different
Most likely TS Prof is expensive because they first have to ship parts from China to Russia and then from Russia to US. Tariffs (tax that companies pay to governments) are incurred at every border crossing. Analogy is CKF
The "gateway drug" to the empty wallet of owning and using fixed angle sharpening systems. I purchased a precision adjust as soon as it was announced and had it delivered the day it was dropped. 3 months later I was pulling the pin on the KME system and have not looked back.
Do you think this with upgraded parts would be better than the Worksharp Professional Precision adjust? I already have the worksharp but was thinking of picking this up for bigger knives.
Yes for sure, only because you have much more versatility with stones, and blade sizes shapes etc.. this is all metal construction. If you got the aftermarket stone holder I tell people to get if they have the professional it would be more evenly matched.
I have been into fixed angle sharpening for about 6 years. Started with a $20 table clamp type. Moved on progressively to better equipment. A few years ago settled on the KO3. My odd obsession is seeing how sharp of an edge I can get along with studying metallurgy to understand the composition of steel. I have made hundreds of thousands of pass. On I don't even know how many knives. Mostly EDC type. 95% done on the small clamp. ( Minimum) I have tried and very seriously put to the test many different styles. Except wicked edge. I will firmly guarantee you. You get what you pay for. I don't respect cloners of any type. Or their promotion. And that's what that was. Keep your sub.
@@americangraffiti6192 I agree I don't either, considering the materials are far from what TSprof is using and on tsprof everything works better I do think as you said this is a clear example of you get what you pay for. Most of the guys that would invest in this one most likely wouldn't have put the money into the other. It's an alternative option for people on tight budget
So you don’t like free market capitalism? This the the way of the world. And that being said as far as I’m concerned the hapstone and tsprof systems are a bit overpriced for what boils down to a few pieces of metal and machining that a machinist could make in about a day. Competition is the best thing in a free market system because the consumer benefits. The people who have the money to buy a tsprof will still buy it because they want the quality they believe tsprof affords them. The people that would buy this clone, like myself, were never going to buy a tsprof anyway because it’s too expensive. There are no losers in this situation. I am a huge fan of this channel and have been eyeing the xarlik system for a while but hasn’t found a review from someone that I am familiar with and so having seen an honest review (which I highly respect from Jared and not just crapping on the cheaper alternative) from one of my favorite knife tubers helps me make a better informed purchase. The free market always pushes companies to have to be better there is no reason as a consumer you shouldn’t like it
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I have both the Gen 2 and the Gen 3 (the one you're reviewing in this video). For anyone interested, the Gen 3 IS FAR superior to the Gen 2 even considering quality of assembly and design. The Gen 2 needed a lot of tuning up to get it to work half way, but the play in the the Gen 2 was almost unliveable.
Definitely buy the Gen 3, of course this is my experience so some may disagree.
@jamesfeldman5152 good to know thank you!
@@jamesfeldman5152 I have a Gen2 that is solid.... Only part that has play is the stoneholder , there's to much play on the bolt that holds the 2 parts together. Which allows the plates to bend if you push to hard on the handle.
The sharpener/clamp itself is rocksolid ! And pretty much spot on for each side.
@@dannybax1982 the stones are bending?
You must still be using the plastic backed plates that shipped with the device, if they are bending. Change em out for bare minimum aluminum backed like TSPROF set of 5-6 starter diamond stones, $70-80 for the set. Not the best stones but if you buy a few good lower grit, 200-320 initial profiling stones from ATOMA or JENDE, you could potentially use the smoother TSPROF grits as finishing stones, as they will wear and become so much smoother grit, with use than they initially started as.
Just a theory, 🤔 until one can afford another half thousand $ or more for top o the line stones.
That’s my plan any way, whenever I get to affording a fixed angle machine.
I’m certain Jared will be able to give you far better advice on my theory, as I’m still learning how to hand sharpen.
Good luck all and thanks again Jared.
I must tell you, I enjoy your collaborations with Outdoor55, you guys have good chemistry and I’ve learned heaps from you both. 🙏🙏
@@dannybax1982 I had a different experience, lots of variation from side to side and lots of loose parts that took some tubing up. The gen 3 was way better out of the box. I took Neeves advice and got the TS prof stone holder and it's perfect.
Genuinely it's refreshing to see an unbias and honest review 🙌 Great video thanks.
I bought the Gen 2 Xarilk system earily this year. I have been very happy with the results it produces for the price. The Gen 3 looks like they may have addressed my few complaints with the Gen 2.
I use L-adapters on my TSPROF Kadet Pro instead of the double clamp. They achieve the same thing, are also more flexible and cost half as much. To adjust the angle: 1. Clamp the knife with the blade as centrally as possible. 2. Select a whetstone. 3. Adjust the thickness of the whetstone on the compensator. 4. Place the whetstone on the push rod. 5. Adjust the stops on the push rod. 6. Place the whetstone on the blade. 7. Place the protractor on the push rod and set it to zero. 8. Place the protractor on the arm. 9. Select the desired angle (approx. -0.25 degrees as the angle adjusts slightly when the adjustment wheel is locked. e.g. if you want 17 degrees, set it to 16.75 degrees. After locking, it will be 17 degrees - at least that's the case with my TSPROF Kadet Pro). I mark the cutting edge with a pen so that the material removal can be better controlled during grinding.
I’m hoping I’ll get lucky and win the TSPROF because it’s the only way I’ll even take a chance on sharpening any of my knives!!! With Jared’s shared knowledge of coarse!!!
Just know that a roughed up knife can be made to work very well with even just a few messy passes on a single, coarse grit stone. I have a bunch of cheaper work knives that I just keep jagged, coarse edges on and they work great. Better than sharper knives much of the time.
"of coarse" Pun intended? Good one if so.
I watched a few how to fix it vids on the Xarilk. Stones aside it appears to be a great entry level sharpener. $1000 for the big boy, not for me. Maybe the Xarilk will force cheaper prices fron TSProf?
Lol...i mostly use the bottom of a coffee cup.... might not shave an ants ass but it'll for sure clean a trout.
If you have any cheap budget knives you don't really use any more, those are perfect to practice on without damaging the ones you do use often
Congratulations henry you WON thr tsprof 🏆 👏 🙌 wooo
You are so awesome for sharing this. It’s absolutely invaluable information for people who don’t know where to even begin with searching for a good professional knife sharpener. And I must say, technology has come a long way in the artificial diamond industry, especially for high quality precision tools, I don’t understand why they still have to have cheap stones that don’t last like the ones that come stock with this system. Regardless, this is an amazing value!
Yep 👍
Awesome, had been waiting for you to showcase this one! You got me on my Atomas last year and now I’m eyeballing my 1st guided system. Can’t wait to see wicked edge offering!
Good video but couple notes for you Jared - you discussed Wicked Edge and mentioned stone incompatibility. You CAN actually use any 6 inch stone with a Wicked Edge system, just get yourself the Gritomatic Leading Edge Wicked Edge stone holders and you'll be able to use any of your 6x1 stones on a Wicked Edge.
Secondly, you don't need a central mounted clamp at all - if you move both clamps to the side of the clamp bar on this or any other similar sharpening system, the angle is NOT affected at all. The reason it looks that way to you, is you're using the digital angle cube incorrectly. A digital angle cube like yours is not a 3 axis angle cube (like the TSProf Axicube is as an example), so you have to make sure it's perpendicular to your sharpening bar and clamps when measuring your angle. If your angle cube is rotated slightly, it measures incorrectly.
Hope this helps!
On the wicked edge stone holders does it work with the WE60? Have you tried them ?How do they hold up?
@@Hellohappy1 The Gritomatic Leading Edge "6 inch stone holders for Wicked Edge" work very well on the Wicked Edge systems. I can't add a link, it keeps being automatically removed, but just search for it on the Gritomatic website.
Don't show me this, I'm trying to master freehand.
Trust me, you won't want this once you master freehand. You'll see that free hand is an art. This is basically Machining.
Damn that's a good analogy@@alexolivarez732
I went through that a couple years ago as these systems became more prevalent lol
Now I even put edges on some friends kitchen knives who have systems. They like my edges and a several of them are fascinated watching freehand.
If you find no joy in freehand? That's a different thing and, hey, why not a system?
✌🏼🤘🏼
My freehand skills have advanced by leaps and bounds after using Jerods tips and tutorials
You want both. Why the hell would you set all this up for a simple spear point that you will bring to 600gr maybe, if you have mastered freehand, 2-3 diamond plates, a strop and in 15mins you brought a fully blunt knife to hair popping sharp (even hair whittling, once you truly mastered holding your angle repetitively and transition from one to several strops) . If you have a different blade shape your not comfortable with freehand, if you have steels you wish to bring to a full mirror polish (it is exponentially easier with a fixed angle because you are not augmenting your chances of screwing up by augmenting your number of passes), where as freehand (unless you’re a robot or have a fixed wrist prosthetic arm) you definitely up the chances of a messup by doing hundreds of passes to bring out the mirror polish. Also if you are resharpening a knife you are familiar with, and maintaining the current edge angle: 100% freehand is faster, but if you are re-profiling the edge and fully changing the edge profile/angle, a fixed angle system will most definitely offer you way more precision and accuracy. Never listen to someone that affirms without any flexibility that their way is the only way and who pick a side and will defend their position no matter what. No matter the side they pick, they are wrong because they are set in their ways and wont expand/explore past their own self imposed mental limitations. The right answer is both. Mastering freehand is a skill that will follow you forever, and is favourable to certain situations. Having a quality fixed angle system will offer precision and repeatability like nothing else can. (Also; bonus perk of owning a quality fixed angle even if you have mastered freehand: if you are ever injured and loose temporarily usage/dexterity in one hand, you can still put a hair whittling edge on your blades with just one hand, even if it your weak hand. Try freehand sharpening with just one hand …😅)
20:25 DC53 is also supposed to be way tougher than D2, and easier to heat treat. I hope more knives start using it instead of D2
Nice video and right on time. Maybe loosen the tension on the stone swap thingie. Go to your local steel recycle place. Poke in the scrap pile til you find an appropriate heavy chunk of steel. A few dabs of rubber cement and your setup will stay put and be reversible.
Just got this and quality is legit already sharpened all my knives the first day. Got extra stones from other company as theirs is plastic back that bends.
Another one that sees the slight bend. You can adjust for it, but why should you have to? Plus, depending on the bend, you could get an apple seed or hollow grind. A huge part of these designs is repeatability and those plastic plates aren't consistent. I've found the TSPROF 6 pc plate set would be a 5 compared to the plastics' 3. The PDTools Expert Pro plates I got from the USA Market link in Jareds description & they're amazing! 3 plates, 225, 650, 1100 for under $50 USD ea. There's always something better but I'd give these an 8/10.
I just got some aluminum back stones and no issues
Are you happy with the Xarilk? Would you recomnend it? Thank you so much!
@@JulianLC23 I would recommend it. As you can see above, just replace the plates if that's a concern. Myself & I'd assume a few others are picky about such things like the plastic 'plate' bending slightly. In 80% of home or general use, you probably wouldn't notice. But enthusiasts will & that's why we get higher quality plates that will provide more consistent results & last longer - at a price, of course.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
@@Rottidog68 Thanks!
Looks like a great alternative for those on a budget especially when compared to what's out there at the same price point. Does need a few add on pieces but yout can get then at a later date. Think better stones and at least a rubber stopper (proper size oring acting as an overtravel stop) would be first on the list of upgrades. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
This might have just taken the place at the top of my Christmas list! 😂
I just got your Misdemeanor, and I think I already found an upgrade for it. I believe the Skiff 3/16" x (12) x 1/16" will fit perfectly. The bearings you use seem to be the exact same as the Kershaw Lucha and the Skiff's mentioned above are for them. Maybe you should sell them on your store?
Yup a bunch of folks said they work great and even get more ting
Wow…I’m gonna buy skiffs for a knife sitting in the living room beckoning me to open the pkg 30 something days early. My Darlin has adopted foreplay methodology from Dogeth the One. Which is cruel….i don’t have her refractory period. Mean mean mean. And that defeats the good will the holidays is supposed to create. What? Whining? I’m not whining. Sheesh. Cheers.
Still love my Gen2 Xarilk !!
Mine does have the guard the other way around , which makes more sense. Having the rubber towards the blade protects the edge , while the guard protects the fingers.
I’m torn between gen2 and gen3 Amazon has gen2 as marked as being returned a lot but I like that the gen2 already has the single clamp instead of the double the gen 3 has. How long have you had the gen 2
@@Stolas1777is the single clamp better?
Just got my misdemeanor today and Lordy what a knife. It sings like a choir boy in church and it’s so ridiculously thin behind the edge and the blade stock. Then the belt satin dlc finish is just amazing makes it to where I don’t have to worry about the k390 rusting down here in NC. Thanks for an amazing knife. Also thanks for reviewing this knife sharpener I’m going to buy one to upgrade my cheap plastic work sharp fixed edge system.
Right now these are being sold with 3, 5, 7, or 9 stones all at the same $108 price. The 9 piece gives you 2 each of the 800 and 2000 grit plus some additional grits. Buys you a little more time before buying new stones, and since the price is the same as the 3 stone kit . . . . . .
Thanks for the review. I have a Lansky, which is fine for smaller knives, but the holder is an issue with long kitchen knives.
When are you going to review the schleiifJunkies Multigrinder 1.0 sharpener from Germany which is the real game changer and way ahead of its time
@14:35 -- finally something for which I can use all these extra C-clamps that I have.
I was interested in this until I figured the price that I would have to pay to get the diamond stones to make this system work for my knives. After going through those numbers, the new KME system is a much better value especially if you have already invested in the KME diamond stones and a handful of Jende custom stones for that system. It is tempting, but for me, I am upgrading my KME and sticking with their platforms. Plus that system comes with all of the clamps that are needed right out of the box.
If you've already invested in the diamond stones it's only going to cost you $100. If you don't have any stones you can buy a set of TSProf stones and one of these and it'll cost you about $170. That's significantly less than the cost of the new KME system to my money. But if you're already invested in a system and you're happy with that, sure, it makes sense to stick with it.
I use the xarilk gen 3 with tsprof diamond plates. No complains at all now my xarilk has some play, every time I locked the angle , the angle would change, I email Xarilk and they helped me out, the sharpener can be easily tune up to get it nice and smooth and eliminate any play , also I overtighted one of the clamps and I bent it. I email Xarilk and I told them it was my mistake and I wanted to buy new clamps, they sent them to me for free, no complaints at all. The sharpener is good having a tsprof is like having an infinity car to drive to point A and B instead of driving a Nissan to drive from point A to B, no much of a difference but the infinity will perform a little better
Yeah Neeves I run 2 rod stoppers. Before and after the heim joint. Also just use the L adapters for the oem clamps. They have allowed me to sharpen shorter blades. Also upgraded the stone holders on my Kadet. Had some close calls on the forward pass as well. Never cut myself. It that’s another decent design adaptation.
I had seen these before and wanted to know more about them. I greatly value your opinion on these things. Might just have to check one out. If anyone is wondering, the sharpener and all the things you could add on might set you back for about $ 320.00.
You can get everything i mentioned without extra stones for a little under 200 or about 200. The stones will cost if you go with decent ones about 150 however you can doit piece by piece you will have what you need with system, then one month later get the parts, another months stones and you don't have to get them all at once and strop you can spread it out into a few payments that way
@@NeevesKnives Cool !! Just bought the GEN3 and some of the TSPROF stones (5 stone set). $180, Can't beat that.
Just as a little tip regarding the digital angle finder:
There are free apps for your phone, that will do the same.
Just zero it out on the knife and put it on the bar for the angle.
Is it as accurate as a real angle finder? Propably not, but within 1° to sharpen your knife it works for sure.
You can test it with some geometry triangle or other known angle as well.
Jared do you happen to have the link for the rod stoppers and/or single clamp accessory that you suggested?
I got one of these a month ago and love it. Also xarilk makes a single clamp model also. Btw, could you put a link to a website where you can get those guide arm clamps? Can’t find
What about the other clamp mod he showed for sharpening smaller knives. Do you have that one or know where to get it
@@JoshMurphy-f9v I’m pretty sure on tsprof website, eBay, Amazon had it. But it’s about the same cost as the sharpener. I instead bought the other cheap sharpener from this company that’s a single clamp style.
I got an Xarlik about 2 months ago. its a great machine - especially for the price. The stones got me through about 10 knives. I'm def in the market for new stones. (lets see what my wife thinks -Ha especially since I have major damage from hurricane Helene. )
Just ordered! I’ve always wanted a tsprof, I’ve had a work sharp guided for a while but it’s so damn small…
Thanks for the vid Jared, been waiting till I can grab a Prof so I’ll wait a little longer but appreciate the looks 😎
Will the L Brackets that TSPROF sells for $28 - 30 compatible? 18:45 Much cheaper than the single bracket if they are Jared.
Thanks again for all the scoop mate. ✌️
This is awesome, thank you Neeves!!
Lacey Lace told me about it back in the summer. She was impressed. I'll probably get one instead of updating my Pro PA. What's your opinion of that?
The pro is great i have it in my top 5 best sharpeners video
@NeevesKnives Thanks. I'll just get the Hapstone arm and some decent stones.
Jerad where did you get that driver and what's the price of it? Thanks 🤔
Very interesting option. You said that it could hold the shorter stones but I know that the ends of the KME stones aren't beveled. Is it capable of holding the KME stones securely?
It Doesn't matter the clamp can still hold the flat sided stones, just not as good but I used to only use them in my tsprof no issues, but having the lip does make them more secure
It would have been nice if you showed how to get the angle on the sharpener. Thanks for the video.
So glad I learned to FREEHAND!
Jared, besides the obvious of fixed angle systems holding the angle for you, is there any advantages of this vs freehand? Would this benefit someone who has mastered freehand in anyway. ?
How does this compare to the Work Sharp Pro Precision Adjust system? I'm looking to get a good fixed angle sharpening system -- cost is a secondary concern. Cost efficiency relative to overall performance is primary for me. Thanks!
Watch my top 5 best knife sharpeners if you wanna see my favorites that one's in there
This is a better buy. IMO
My Work Sharp PPA got wore out after a decent amount of use. If you want good pro looking results get something else more sound (built better or tougher).
Thanks as always Jarod! what size rod's are they? Looks like there is a 6 or 8mm?
6mm just like the tsprof
Do you recommend this system over the Work Sharp Precision Adjust Elite? Aside from the WS proprietary stones, that is. The price is around the same, if using only the included parts in both, and I'm curious if the actual design of this is worth the additional cost of adding good stones, the clamp and stops to it.
For context, this would be my first system since I used to use a friend's Lansky system over a decade ago 😅
You probably mean the Work sharp PROFESSIONAL if you mean the precision then yes this is better if it's probably then the pro is better unless you buy all the stones/ Strop/ceramic you will need and that clamp i mentioned
@NeevesKnives the Precision Elite is just the Precision + Accessory kit (more stones, strop, etc.). I'll be replacing it with this one on my Amazon list. Thanks! 👍
BTW, as someone just getting back into quality knives and sharpeners, who's been doing hours of research daily, here and elsewhere for a month or so, your channel is absolutely S tier. Hands down, the overall best I've found. There are only a handful of channels that even come close. All the invaluable info, advice, and genuine perspective you provide is very much appreciated 🙏
@ddarrell_5 i appreciate that! If you haven't seen my 5 tips on fixed angled sharpening check it out. I have a ton more videos coming up also
Thanks for posting that video
Great Video
Would love the TSPROF but can’t afford one lol, like most people. This is a nice option it looks like
Could you tell me or try to see if the TSPROF stone holder arm with the integrated angle finder can be attached to this system?
If I ever get the TS Prof I will practice with it and once I get perfect with it . I will do knives for friends and family
I have the Kadet pro but the gears and the tuning knob are a little tight maybe i should pit a little bit of lithium grease on the gears, that may help it operate more smoothly.
With that being said, if i didnt already have the real thing i would definitely check this one out.
Yes definitely add some gear oil or grease to parts, I just keep mine relatively clean with a small bit of oil
Okay, I bit the bullet. Got the Gen 3, stops, single foot and two red quick clamps. Now what and where can I get a Compensator and how to use it. Thanks Jared….. 😊😊😊
@@judgetoogood1033 where did ya get the stop at?
Love your videos Jerad, don't love cloning but...
@stuartli16610 I don't either
I like the Worsharp pro ..! ^^
What's the colored "water only" bottle giving a spritz to the stone at 13:09 ? Dish soap? Windex?
Dish soap water mix until bubbles expand from shaking
Curious if you actually like the design of WE. I see it as an accident waiting to happen. I dont know about waiving your arms and wrists back and forth over a blade sticking up on edge while you make it sharper. Maybe thats just me
As an alternative to the single clamp for smaller knives do you know if the L- Attachment for Clamps will work with the Xarilk blade clamps?
Can you link me to a video on exactly how to find an angle with a digital finder or explain how to find an angle? I thought you just zero it out on the blade and then put the angle on the stones?
It depends on the system you are using if the clamp is level then yes that's what you do however if the clamp holding blade is at angle you just either zero out then check clamp angle and rod angle and add the 2 numbers together. Or you can zero out on the clamp then the rod should be accurate to check.
@ Ok thank you so with this system just add the two like you said. I have this system coming in mail.
@realkarma1254 👊 🙏
Hey Jared I can’t seem to find the stopper you mentioned, care to point me in the right direction?
If you have a 3D printer, you could print the part yourself.
Use a split collar with 6mm (1/4") inside diameter.
I saw this sharpener about a month ago and was considering getting it but wasn't sure if it was any good. Then CBRx posted a couple videos about it and now the master himself. Perfect timing!
I kind of like the gen 2 more, it has the single clamp and rod stopper already, but probably doesn't have interchangeable parts with TSPROF. If you read this Jerad, thoughts?
Not sure if you even realize this, but @6:30 you started moving REALLY FAST!! 😮
Pu t a 4inch tall knife and the flex on the edge was deflecting with the two blade holders. The taller knife sticks out farther and the blades flex. Not good.
I love my Tsprof pioneer but always said what is different price wise than their high dollar offerings. So they charge hundreds more for design? It can't be materials.
The materials are far far superior
@@NeevesKnives In this application, aluminum is aluminum. Material is the same. The difference is fit and finish.
USA-Market EXPERT HOME SET or the 4 Atoma set? Looking to spend around $200-300 on a good starter stone set.
Their PDTools Expert Pro plates are freaking unbelievable & not expensive. Last I looked, $46 ea.!
I would personally go with the Hybrids from USA market
@@NeevesKnives KDTU HOME SET is $266... The PRO is $399 which is pushing the budget. Maybe a Black Friday sale??
@Kirko_bangz definitely try and use black Friday, however you could go atomas up to 1200 grit then get 2 bonded diamond stones
This machine with the upgrades or a hapstone rs under 200 I already own the venev 6x1 stones double sided full progression
The stone holder is better on Hapstone for sure! Both are really good and it's a tough call but but the hapstone, however if you get all the accessories I mentioned then it does make them much more evenly
Thanks brother you da. Man
@@bighamz1175 use my links if you do go either route
Sadly Amazon won't ship to the UK.
What about Walmart? They sell it in their website as well
Hi! can you tell me what is the distance between holes in the base? I want to buy an acrylic or steel plate to make it more stable ( round plate like tsprof) and thinking about it's diameter
The TSPROF KO3 doesn’t need a stone compensator, can we make one for it.
What is the protecting tape called you use, yellow/translucent? I recall you mention it was anti scratch tape or something, but for the life of me I cannot find that video again. Appreciate any help. Would like to try something different than masking tape.
La-ton Tape
Kapton Tape
It's in his description box with a link.
So do you need to buy the single clamp to use it on smaller knifes?
When using the angle finder can't you just zero it behind the clamps and then set on the rod and have your angle instead of measuring two angles and adding them?
Adding the 2 is extremely easy as it's only 2 low numbers. But I'm not sure if what you said will work i got the method from tsprof a few years ago.
I bet if you tried it you would get the same result as the way you showed with one less step. Not that your way is very difficult but I like to keep things as simple as possible 👌@@NeevesKnives
@WDA97 yeah thank you I appreciate that i will definitely do that 👊
Where do you get the rod stopper?
can u please say how adding 2 angles u get the right one..what is ur formula?
Man I can't see paying big money for those rod stopper things. I would probably try finding an o-ring or something else that I could slide onto it.
Harbor freight drill stop. Same thing
Can ya sharpen a recurve edge with that ?
What do u think of the WorkSharp Pro sharpening system for $249? is it worth it or is something like the one in the video better?
Do find angle this way with every blade?
Looks like a lot of movement in the clamps. 18:18
I am a newbie. Does this come with a stone compensator, does TSPROF make one for the Kadet pro.
that knife is movin around a bunch
Would you choose this over the wicked edge WE40 for 185$ ? thanks
Well that's tough, ones made in usa so I will say this if you plan on getting all their stones as they are proprietary, then WE as long as you will be happy with them which I have no doubt you will, however if your eventually wanting bonded stones etc then this as long as you get the parts I mentioned, I would go with this since I have all the stones in the world for it
Is the rod stopper the 6mm or 8mm
6mm
instead of buying that middle clamp u could probably just go home depot and get to metal plates that span across the 2 clamps
Do you have to measure the first stone in the compensator?
Not unless you are planning on switching to a different kind of stone like a different brand or something. However sometimes your strop can be a little different so in that case you should if it is different
Where are they made?
Most likely TS Prof is expensive because they first have to ship parts from China to Russia and then from Russia to US. Tariffs (tax that companies pay to governments) are incurred at every border crossing. Analogy is CKF
Wish you tried a kitchen knife
How about dmt stones?
Nice system but I’m still hoping my comment that said how nice your eyes are win me the TS system. That’s my dream system but just can’t afford it
this sharpener is $110 at amazon. i would rather pay a bit more for the hapstone rs at $200.
Thanks bro
"We have FPS Russia at home."
So get a Work Sharp Precision Adjust for $60 instead… Got ya
😆 yeah if you are only sharpening small knives that are not very thick, otherwise just like many other systems you need to get upgraded parts
The "gateway drug" to the empty wallet of owning and using fixed angle sharpening systems. I purchased a precision adjust as soon as it was announced and had it delivered the day it was dropped. 3 months later I was pulling the pin on the KME system and have not looked back.
Pt3…What that knife? And what is that blue handled ax in the TS Prof contest viddy? If ya got the time to say. Cheers
Not going to last you?? What the hell are you doing with it?
Geez!.........I wonder what country cloned it?
Do you think this with upgraded parts would be better than the Worksharp Professional Precision adjust? I already have the worksharp but was thinking of picking this up for bigger knives.
Yes for sure, only because you have much more versatility with stones, and blade sizes shapes etc.. this is all metal construction. If you got the aftermarket stone holder I tell people to get if they have the professional it would be more evenly matched.
@ Cool, I’ll definitely have to check it out myself then. Thanks for the reply!
I don't need any more sharpening stuff
I think I can afford this but , I'm gonna win the TSPROF from last night 👍🙃🇺🇸
WELL……. Looks like I can still have a super good knife sharpener for cheap just gotta survive this bi weekly pay
This looks sweet. I just ordered the 9 stone version using your link. Cant wait to try it out.
@@jimq 👊
I have been into fixed angle sharpening for about 6 years. Started with a $20 table clamp type. Moved on progressively to better equipment. A few years ago settled on the KO3. My odd obsession is seeing how sharp of an edge I can get along with studying metallurgy to understand the composition of steel. I have made hundreds of thousands of pass. On I don't even know how many knives. Mostly EDC type. 95% done on the small clamp. ( Minimum) I have tried and very seriously put to the test many different styles. Except wicked edge. I will firmly guarantee you. You get what you pay for. I don't respect cloners of any type. Or their promotion. And that's what that was. Keep your sub.
He just giving people other options, geez! With an honest review included!
You sound so insanely pathetic lmfao.
@@americangraffiti6192 I agree I don't either, considering the materials are far from what TSprof is using and on tsprof everything works better I do think as you said this is a clear example of you get what you pay for. Most of the guys that would invest in this one most likely wouldn't have put the money into the other. It's an alternative option for people on tight budget
Don’t like it, move on.. ol cry baby 🫏.
So you don’t like free market capitalism? This the the way of the world. And that being said as far as I’m concerned the hapstone and tsprof systems are a bit overpriced for what boils down to a few pieces of metal and machining that a machinist could make in about a day. Competition is the best thing in a free market system because the consumer benefits. The people who have the money to buy a tsprof will still buy it because they want the quality they believe tsprof affords them. The people that would buy this clone, like myself, were never going to buy a tsprof anyway because it’s too expensive. There are no losers in this situation. I am a huge fan of this channel and have been eyeing the xarlik system for a while but hasn’t found a review from someone that I am familiar with and so having seen an honest review (which I highly respect from Jared and not just crapping on the cheaper alternative) from one of my favorite knife tubers helps me make a better informed purchase. The free market always pushes companies to have to be better there is no reason as a consumer you shouldn’t like it
Christmas gift for myself lol but I’m hoping to win the tsprof giveaway lol
I also love a bit of speed or cocaine before doing a review 😂
And I watched it on 1.5x! 😁
Seems like a deal.