Just look at Wings of Fire! Sundew x Willow and even the hint of Tamarin x Anemone got so many complaints from homophobic as shit parents hating sapphic women, and yet Tui kept on trucking with them and the books have been doing fine despite it.
@@manymomath5466 what the fuck is your problem. lgbtq+ kids exist, and will always exist--it's just a matter of whether or not we're allowed to see people who look like us. by that standard, a whole bunch of straight stuff is inherently problematic because if you do research, you'll find problematic stuff. and what do you mean "shoving their idea down the throats of young audiences," it's important and vital to just have lgbt topics exist around young audiences, especially if their parents are homophobic and trying to teach them bigotry. i came from a homophobic mom and thank GOODNESS my librarians helped sneak me books with lgbt themes and i found creators who talked about it. i would suggest you rethink your bizarre and homophobic thoughts here, it's not too late to become a better person!
@@manymomath5466easy solution, kids wouldnt have questions to google if they knew the lgbtq was normal. if its treated as it should be then they wouldnt be asking that many questions. If its hidden away for them to only find out when theyre "grown enough" then theyll start asking far too late
@@manymomath5466having a canonically gay character in a children’s book/show/movie is not shoving it down their throat. it’s simply showing what real life relationships can be like- man on man, woman on woman, etc. if kids see it (and most likely will see it) irl, then what’s harming them from seeing it on a screen?
As someone who thinks a lot of these she-cats could benefit from leaving their boyfriends and getting girlfriends instead, I can confirm I was stop complaining about the books
“but they’re cats! they cant be gay!” don’t they literally talk and see dead cats and have forbidden romances and go to cat heaven i think the silly cat can have a crush on another silly cat of the same gender
With other animals, yeah. But with domestic cats it’s dubious. Depends on what you count as homosexuality. Warrior cats arent real cats though, theyre special.@@lostinthestars_
Not to mention many, and i mean, MANY animals display homosexual behavior Like, young animals even PRACTICE MOUNTING with other young males or females even do that to display dominance (sheep do that!)
@@100MilesofLOVE I haven't entirely read up much on it in cats, but I HAVE read quite a bit about male tortie cats (some are caused by having xxy chromosomes, some are chimeras, some are caused by other things) - I recall reading about one that showed interest in both male and female cats.
@@warriorcatkitty Yar! I’ve heard of that. It was pretty cool. Also, Not to be argumentative, but that tortie was like, a completely different sex than most cats, and would have a brain that acted differently than male or female sexed brains.I dont think you could call it normal for all cats, but it IS fun to learn about. This whole conversation is weird, because cats cannot be gay, because the human idea of Gay cannot really be put onto cats since they do not have the concept of gender or romance, and they feel attraction in a completely different way than we do as humans. Young males will go for literally anything during the breeding season if not given access to females, and dominant cats will use mounting behavior on less dominant cats. To equate this with human homosexuality is weird and doesn’t work. Two people could look at that behavior could go “ah yes, this is natural because its clearly in nature” or “ah yes, this is an abnormal distortion of the drive to mate”
Further support for the “homophobic backlash would be outshined by the fandom” point is that the fandom a few years ago there was a writer on the Erin team named Gillian Philip(not for Warriors but Survivors and Bravelands) who had made statements in supports of JK Rowling’s transphobia. The Warriors community addressed their backlash over this and got Harper Collins to remove her from the staff!
also Vicky Holmes was asked by fans (on a polish convention called pyrkon) if there are gay cats and she confirmed that ravenpaw and barley are in love, and that mousefur is ace :D everyone probably already knows that but I wanted to brag again because this just made me so happy
I met Gillian Philip at a book signing and even have signed books from her including my copy of Bluestar's Prophecy, my fav book. This makes me so upset.
People always talk about countries /not/ wanting queer books, but there are a lot that really do! Including LGBTQ+ characters would also expand their reach in some countries, too! Brazil has been stocking up on children, middle grade, and YA books with queer characters of late, particularly foreign ones that they translate into their main languages (I'm basing this off of public foreign sales information, I am not from Brazil so I dont know how accepting the country is in general). Countries like the Netherlands and Germany are doing similiar things. Not only would including queer characters in Warriors make the fans happy and give kids representation, it also makes sense from a business perspective. Russia and China might censor things, but they already do that with HarperCollin's other books.
I agree, but Germany is currently going down a route that'll lead to russia-like censorship. At least if the next elections will go as they are currently expected to be. So I guess that one's a bad example.
If they take one of their standard no-chemistry, two-pieces of cardboard shoved together type romances and just make it gay I can honestly say it’d be enough to make me suddenly invested.
maybe he’s one of their ancestors in lionclan but as the clans evolved and changed they pulled a florida and lgbtq+ rights just got steadily taken away overtime 💀
@@Igottagowalkmyfish In The Venom Spreads, it says "She threw herself down on the ground dramatically as she recounted the tragic romances of Thorn and Berry, Fearless and Keen, Sky and Rock [...]"
6:31 Russian WoF fan here! "The Flames of Hope"'s cover redesign had nothing to do with marketing for children, as far as I'm concerned - if I remember correctly, the publisher wasn't able to acquire the rights to original cover or something like that (don't now the exact reason, but pretty sure you can guess why...). This cover is a VERY controversial topic in our fandom, actually 😅 There were even a flashmobe for fan redesign's, and they are really cool! Interestingly enough, Sundew and Willow's romance stayed quite explicit even with "friends" label on it, which was a nice surprise. In 15th book we even had our non-binary character Axolotl (kinda - they're called a "he" in the same sentence as the "they're people don't call them "she" or "he"") + I heard that another gay couple's interactions weren't altered (Jumbu and Pineapple) - actually shocking, considering this book came out in Russia not long ago, after full LGBTQ+ in books bans. I haven't finished "The Flames", so, sadly, can't vouch for the accuracy of my last statement. Oh, and also one of the Legends books got 18+ as well ("Dragonslayer") - for featuring two dads of supporting character. It was later removed (my copy has 12+ on the cover), but yeah, it happened :/ Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or forgot something! P.S.: Considering 18+ on several books: still can't get over 12+ rating on "Darkstalker" and graphic novels (we have only 2 officially translated). (SPOILERS!) A character ripping himself open and everything about the Arena is very children-friendly indeed 😂
@@worddisassociation К сожалению без понятия... Но мне кажется, что в том или ином виде все-таки будут. Те же Отравленные джунгли пока что вроде продаются как минимум в онлайн магазинах, может быть даже в книжных есть, только в пленке и по паспорту (чисто догадки, давно в книжных не бывал). Особенно если учитывать, что формально никаких ЛГБТ пар у нас в книгах нет, только крайне крепкие женские и мужские дружбы) Под цензуру много квирной литературы попало, но я думаю, что в таких завуалированных вариациях мы хоть что-то еще да получим Так что надежда умирает последней я считаю >:)
@@Doveheart if you're going to be throwing around claims like calling someone a literal zoo then you better have actual solid proof. this is not something you can just throw around lightly and the silence when you've been asked for it is telling.
@@Doveheart I don't know why you actual 10 year olds are on such a hate brigade, but it's not feral nor is it even sexual. It's a gag gift of a furry dovewing that she doesn't even have anymore. plus, moonkitti is asexual. please unclench and stop interacting with sexual topics on the internet as a child & exposing other children to that.
Well it's not only the goverment in Latín América show any LGBT material is considere Bad and hated cause people here are very conservative and protest not for inclusion and representation insted protest for exclusion Of that kind Of contend not for nothing 80% Of the universitys and companys Of Center and South America rejected any LGBT inclusive lenguage
As a Russian, I can confirm that the country is homophobic(not everyone, I’m sure there’s people who aren’t) to the point people use(or used, I don’t see too many “gay” insults rn. Pretty sure it was some sort of a “trend” or something) “gay” as an insult.
In my personal (and very queer) opinion, we need some aro/aroace cats. There’s so little representation of this in media generally, and I’d love to see a more diverse group of LGBTQIA++ characters, not just gay ones.
One of the main characters of Survivors is very aro/ace (Storm the main character of the second Arc). They should definitely have more characters like that in Warriors, there's too much romance plots as it is.
If it's any consolation, Fallen Leaves is only retconned into being Hollyleaf's mate in extratextual sources. Which means if it's not in a book, it doesn't count as being canon. Fallen Leaves expresses a fondness for Hollyleaf, but they never say they love each other, nor do they refer to one another as mates. For all the book is concerned, they're just friends. For Half Moon, yeah, Jayfeather really wanted a girlfriend and a chance at a normal, prophecy-less life.
As a person who have read russian translations of wc books I can say that they call both mates and friends "friends". So there won't be any difference if some of cats are gay, they will still be called friends x) Also, I don't think that now they will even get permission to translate new wc books legally, because, u know... War
we are still allowed to translate media. war would only impact us if russia were to put sanctions on western media out of fears of propaganda which has not happened
Making gay cats canon would improve the series so very much. Someone who works on the books better see this. I want Mothpool and Ravenpaw and Barley and Talljake.
@@dalek--ck9oy It's not about storyline, it's about perception. Straight and queer people can benefit from seeing LGBTQ+ characters, by having queer people and relationships normalized, and knowing that it's ok and normal to be queer. Obviously a gay cat won't fix a storyline, but that isn't the point of having them.
@@stabbycats taking this comment and highlighting in neon yellow seven times and circling in red pen because THIS EXACTLY. this is such an easy thing to grasp i don't get why people are struggling
@@dalek--ck9oy yeah yeah warriors write bad awful relationships but they can also write very lovely ones, that's not an excuse or reason for them not to try. they have already written a lovely gay romance if you count barely and ravenpaw as being canon. their relationship is drowning in gay subtext and is canon from the word of the authors, it's just not mentioned in the books outside of a character asking if they want to have kits one day. i get being worried but they CAN do these things well.
thank you, it's very nice to have a single concise video that debunks all the silly excuses people make for Warriors to not have LGBTQIA+ representation
As mildly embarrassing as it is to admit, Mothwing & Leafpool's relationship was kind of formative for my younger self in eventually figuring out her sexuality. And they aren't even canon! I'd love to see some actual LGBT characters in more recent books, im sure it could help a lot of kids reading them today as well.
@@Cinemamuffin Straight authors write so much shit from the POV of one character about another character of the same gender because they assume people will think "They can't be in a relationship." Seriously, it's like they somehow forget that gay people exist. I don't understand it. Mothpool is cool fanon but it can't be canon because of them both being medicine cats tho.
make frostwhistle canon. make squilf have a oneoff line about having feelings for moonlight at some point. make nightheart transfem and have sunbeam realize shes bi. GIVE STORMCLOUD A BOYFRIEND!!!!!
@@dovewingseyesaregreen5664 i don't know what the actual article is because i don't either, i just saw cropped image on tumblr in which at least acknowledged frostwhistle in a romantic light and hinted that they could become mates in a "will she picked whistlepaw or splashtail" kind of way
if they are going to force us to sit through the most boring romances possible when both parties have personalities akin to a wet piece of cardboard then they should at least make some of those relationships gay.
@@iseecowz196 we like the plots too, it's just that there's always a forced relationship (looking at violetshinextree and bristleroot) and tbh it would be nicer if the characters had different relatioships and dynamics.
I think the main reason people blame the publisher is because one of the old authors also blamed them (from my memory at least). I wonder now if they were telling the truth, although they seemed to be a huge JakeXTallstar fan
Heck, their giant underutilized cast of background cats would make this comically easy to do. It would be easy to point to any given random cat in ThunderClan and have them be dating another random background cat of the same gender, and it wouldn't be a retcon. As an aside, I think it's very funny that apparently someone on the website team is involved in the fandom enough to be intimidated by how critical they are, because the editorial team clearly DNGAF.
I completely agree with this video. Also literally just one nonbinary cat would make me very happy. I don't even care if it's just a background cat that is only ever important for one scene, just so long as it's not a complete jerk character.
Thanks for the details on what harpercollins does/doesn't publish. Admittedly as a 28 year old gay in the warrior cats community i frequently forget that it's like... not 2008 anymore and it is a little weird to actively avoid making the gay stuff canon canon at this point. my brain's perception of mainstream media is eternally stuck in 'there is 1 show with a canon gay character who doesn't date and nothing else' land i guess?
I like when it’s about cats and not people saying “HEY YOU BOY LETS GET MARRIED ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE THE SAME GENDER! not like I love u or anything tho.”
Fun fact: changing the cats' gender in other languages is a thing that already happens, although that's pretty much just because of a lack of editing and/or carelessness (or editors "knowing better", as I suspect that's what happened when Germany initally constantly changed Sedgewhisker to a tom because she's called -whisker.... until she was mentioned to have kits and it was finally corrected lmao)
i wholeheartedly agree, we need more lgbtaqia+ cats however, something that would also make the wc fandom not hate the series is-drumroll please: giving more power to she-cats what is WITH the misogyny in this series like jeez- especially dotc, they did all the female cast so dirty BUT ESPECIALLY BUMBLE, bumble didn't deserve that :(
There is misogyny in a few of the books (not most imo) but dotc is a weird one to point out? The main examples were Bramble treating Squilf badly in TNP especially, Onestar's Confession, which was full of it, and a couple others. DOTC had lots of powerful she-cats, like Shadowstar, Windstar, Star Flower, Quiet Rain, etc...
This has just convinced me that i neèd to read wings of fire. I was wanting to read it for years but kept putting it off and was considering getting it on monday but this has been the final push
I strongly recommend it. I enjoy the writing style a lot more than I ever did with Warriors and the world feels a lot more colorful. There's one love triangle in the second arc that I'm not a fan of (in my opinion, they should've been a poly) but besides that one hiccup there's really nothing bad I can say about it. If you're queer and like dragons, you're gonna fit right in with the fandom.
I want transfem Nightheart and Bi Sunbeam Also small list of things I want to be canon -Aroace Mousefur -Aroace Shadowsight -Bi Sunbeam -Transfem Nightheart -Trans Rowanstar -Gay Stormcloud -Gay Ravenpaw and Barley -Gay Jake and Tallstar
Why are they crying over it being so hard to write a story the fans won’t hate or will love when all you have to do is take out the sexism (or maybe just acknowledge it in the story properly!!!!!) and gross age gaps to reach the bare minimum? Obviously it’s not the only problems with the series but come on how is it that hard ?? And yes!!! Gay cats!!
I love seeing Moonkitti talk about WoF content, as I've been a much longer fan of that book series. It's awesome to see that WoF has a more diverse set of characters, esp in the LGBTQ+ stance. I hope one day she'll do a video on WoF, as i'd really love to see it ! Though Warrior Cats is a.. decent book series, there isn't much rep. I remember reading The Poison Jungle for the first time and being like "woah what!! they'res gay dragons?!?! oh my gosh!!" in the most exited little voice in my head. After finding out I was non-binary and getting book 15, it filled me with a lot of joy of seeing *me* in Axolotl. I really adore how non-cholent the rep is in WoF aswell, Tui herself has stated ( i believe ! ) that homophobia is not a thing in the books, which is even better! And I really REALLY appreciated how theres not 'dancing around' the word girlfriend or boyfriend, it's just outright *said* in the books and theres at least 3 gay couples in WoF I can name off the top of my head that have been very obviously stated as lovers. I believe theres probably more but, I just wanted to share my thoughts! It really helped me as a younger child feel.. more normalized about who I am today for my favorite book series to have so much representation. Also- Tui hasn't confirmed this, but, Biohazardia ( a very well known WoF youtuber ) has asked Tui about a trans sky headcannon, and Tui said she liked it! She didn't confirm it, but I still think that's real neat.
I think one great thing about making a new protagonist gay is the doors it would open for retroactive storytelling. Mothwing gets to go "I loved her" about Leafpool. We learn about the secret background lesbian romance Mousefur was having the whole time. Also I think Sunbeam should dump Nightheart for his sister
@@Frostfern94 Mousefur is a warrior, then an elder, and now a StarClan cat ig, but even if she ever became a leader, there isn't really a feudalistic element to it, and leaders don't inherit power via bloodline, so I wouldn't consider a leader a monarch.
Mousefur has been confirmed to be asexual, so I feel it would be kind of unfair to asexual people (including myself) to retcon that, when we as well rarely get any representation
@@SylvainJoseGautier- Wait, when was Mousefur confirmed ace? Though ace =/= aro. You can not feel physical attraction to someone, but still be romantically involved in them, or in my case(I’m aro, but heterosexual), vice versa, so Mousefur can still be in a romance.
I didn't think I would see you here, but yes I 100% agree with you. I would pay money to have Sunbeam leave Nightheart for his sister it would be hilarious. But I'll take any canon lgbtq+ cat at this point.
Who else wrote forbidden gay romances with their cat OCs as a kid because there were none in the books? My hand is firmly raised. Please tell me about yours if you, too, were a closeted queer cat book enjoyer. My jaw dropped because I know this is a haha funny video but it's 100% accurate. I'm so tired of having the thoughts "man this romance would be so much more interesting if they were queer" and "man this main character has so much more romantic chemistry with their same-sex best friend than their actual love interest." Sometimes the straight romances in these books are... really something. There are too many she-cats in horrible relationships that the fandom wishes would just leave her man for someone better. I want some cat wives. We want lesbian cat wives.
I had this video on in the background so when it got to the "dead gay lion" bit I thought we were talking about murdering Lionblaze and also making him kiss tomcats
I'm writting my own Fantasy story and i Made many reference to Warrior Cats with the Last name Of the noble families like "ivypool" "tigerclaw", "Blackstar" and "Bluestar"
Cats don't kiss, so what would be more likely is that they twine tails or rub each other with their tails or something, or say they are mates idk. Point is, cats don't kiss.
Surprised you didnt yet make a "how good would x cat be as a leader" (like what if longtail was leader, or what if mousefur was leader) based on the videos of "i rate your warrior cats ships"
Gay cats + Stop putting in weird plots abt main characters having to bend over to their abusers and how disabiliy makes your life sad and suck forever. Just like, pay more attention to your writing and let the cats be gay and I'll have no complaints. The plots can be as dumb as they want regardless of those two things and I'll still like em.
Actually, the main character is jake, all the protags are jakes descendants 5:00 actually, making it so that the gay cats change gender would make them trans. I’ll let that cook.
They could totally do this. I've been reading a series called Gryphon Insurrection that reminds me a bit of Warriors, except all the characters are gryphons, and they not only have same sex couples but also a trans character.
While I would appreciate LGBTQ+ representation as a transmasc individual, I don't trust the warriors team to handle representation at all. They already fumble disabled representation constantly, the most recent example being Shadowsight. When Shadowsight has a seizure, they hold him down--this is only the most recent example of something being handled poorly. Most disabled cats are killed off, given nasty names, or treated horribly by their clanmates. How do we know they won't just kill off gay cats the second we give them the praise they want? It happens constantly, and I cannot see them properly handling LGBTQ+ representation if they can't even handle that properly. We are not something that can pandered to, then expected to just eat the crumbs we've been served. If they had a proper, non-stereotypical gay cat, then maybe I'll start buying the books again. But for the life of me, I cannot imagine a world where they have a gay cat that isn't demonized, a harmful stereotype, 'pitied', ect. If they can't be bothered to do simple research into the proper way to handle a seizure, then I don't trust them to do the proper research into LGBTQ+ identities.
@@Moonkitti I agree with your points in the video, but I'm a little stuck on this one. I guess it depends on what you mean?? A gay cat being used to demonize queer people sounds a lot worse, since it'll just make more kids believe that being gay is bad. I'm just a little confused. That said, if you mean them using the bury your gays trope, I do agree. I'd rather have a book where the gay cat dies than a book where the cats are all straight. Just depends on how they're portraying the queer community.
Alternately, TRANS CATS. We've had ones that could be accidents (characters trans their genders between series/books) but if lionesses who start growing manes and acting like males are a thing in the wild, there can be trans cats in the cat books. Bonus if it happen when they're in a straight relationship and their partner's fine with it, making the relationship suddenly gay too.
before anyone tries to be weird about this - these cats can talk to ghosts, can kill ghosts, have super powers and use plants as medicine i think trans cats are reasonable. whenever i see this brought up everyone defaults to talking about how the others would be able to tell because of their junk and i'd like to ask: why is that where your mind first goes to? why is your first thought when you hear about trans cats is just to hyper focus on what's between their legs because not only are you outing yourself but those are literal feral cats you creeps. i do not trust the erins to write a trans character, not in the slightest but it's a nice thing to think about.
@@pinky_pepper "Why do you smell different?" "So there's this new herb the med cat found that's helping me with some problems" "How does an herb make you smell like a she-cat?" "So funny story my problem is that I want to be a she-cat"
Moonkitti we NEED to hear your talks on how you feel about the recent book and SPOILERSSSSSSS . . . . . . . . . . .. . . squirrelstar becoming leader and ivypool being deputy
Yeah, it’s honestly very disappointing that we don’t have any confirmed lgbtq characters yet. We’ve been waiting for 20 years, and we haven’t even gotten official confirmation that Ravenpaw and Barely or Tallstar and Jake are canon. The Warriors fandom helped me realize my sexuality and gender identity, it’s a very queer space and homophobia is rightfully called out. I’m sure the day will come where they add an officially lgbt character to the series, it’s just tough that it hasn’t happened yet. So many times I’ve been told that I can’t make my warriors sona lgbtq because “cats can’t be gay, it’s unrealistic”. Even warriors roleplay games ban lgbtq a lot of the time. (I can’t remember if Lgbtq is banned in WCUE, I feel like it was at one point but I definitely remember older roblox games having even the mention of lgbtq forbidden) It would be nice to see kids finally being allowed to express themselves fully.
Cats can actually do quote unquote '' homosexual behavior'' So they kinda can be gay, in a sense. Also if anyone's says you can't be you, tell em to f*** off! :3
tbh this channel is my only porthole into whats going on in the WC fandom, so thank you for talking about something that would ACTUALLY get me to read these books lol
SQUIRRELSTAR!!! SQUIRRELSTAR!!!! SQUIRRELSTAR!!!! PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT SQUIRRELSTAR!!! I LOVE HER SM EVEN JUST A CELEBRATION VIDEO BECAUSE NOW SHES SQUIRRELSTAR
Oh on the topic of doing things in the books so the weird playground bully nonsense in roleplays would stop, give more of the cats silly names please 🙏
I haven’t read Warriors in a long while, but if we got gay cats I would slam myself back into the series at full speed like a bird fully convinced that it’s open air and not a large sheet of glass, nothing could possibly go wrong.
some of you are outing yourselves in the comments because why does warrior cats need to justify a gay character existing? why does there need to be a long list of reasons behind the decision when none of you bat an eye lid at generic cardboard hereto romance number one eight five? none of you say that they're making the cats straight for the sake of it or it's being shoved down your throats and is forced, none of you demand to know why they made a character straight. none of you say that the romances are offensive hereto representation because the characters sole personalities are just being in love with another cat or being a parent but i know for the fact if the genders where flipped you'd all start running your mouths. it's very telling, you're not at all being subtle. stop trying to make your homophobia sound progressive lol
@@nothinpurrsonal they're calling me close minded idiot because i asked them why are they so bothered with gay characters actually being called gay in their source material. their response was to just hurl a bunch of insults at me and they seem to just be doing it here too
exactly 😭 it rly just comes to the fact that ppl see straight relationships as more Natural but will always see gay stuff as out of place. ppl always throw around "forced diversity" rhetoric whenever a single Gay appears but nobody talks about compulsory homogeneity
I had a dream that moonkitti was chasing me shouting "GAY CATS!" (and for some reason i was fighting it even though I am very much gay and am completely on board with gay warrior cats)
When I clicked on this, I wasnt expecting what your point was going to be, but your honestly so right. I started reading this series when I was about 8, maybe 9, and now I'm in my early 20's. Funnily enough, my favorite cat in the whole series has always been ravenpaw, and his relationship with barley plays a big role in that. And yea, it is pretty worrying that with a series that has spanned multiple decades, there is still no concrete lgbt rep. Even ravenpaw and barley arent "technically" confirmed. (With the writers opting to call them "good friends" and what not). I think the writers should definitely take notice that a majority of ship fanfiction and stuff in this fandom is mostly gay. All we want is some representation, and we've just decided to write our own, since they wont do it. And I forgot with being in this fandom so long, that we could just ASK them to include lgbt+ themes. They may not listen, but we could still try.
The literal only 2 reasons I Ravenpaw' farewell was because 1. I had just finished arc one (already knowing Ravenpaw would show up like 2 times in the next arc and then never again) and Wanted more of the perfect boi 2. I wanted to see gay cats being gay
Well there is that approach, or alternatively the ghost writers can do some research to help flesh out the characters, or just go off on their own tangent but write it well enough to fit with the story's flow, resulting in a book with parts that, although don't quite make sense, are phenomenal to read.
2:10 I genuinely LOVE how Moon depicts a homosexual cat relationship as a relationship between two calicos because in real life, calicos are pretty much always female. XD I just really like that.
I’d also love to see an asexual and or aromatic cat. As an aroace myself I’d love warrior cats so much more if I could see my sexuality within a series I love. I know this (probably) can’t happen in real life but a trans cat! I’m not trans but that’d be really cool to see. Especially a main character and as a sub plot maybe they have to figure out their identity. I think they is a lot of potential.
I remember the day I fell in love with Warrior Cats it was the HawkWing's journey book I first got and to this day I love Warrior Cats. I may not have a reliable answer for this fandom but I hope the Erins do something about this fandom/ books I love! Also, I like to say YES we need gay cats but to me I feel better if we had more MLM cats.
OH WOW- i didn't realize Harper Collions actually wasn't the issue. I thought this for YEARS... dang. Add freakin gay cats already, warriors team. Please.
Busybodies learning about a children's book series where the main characters routinely gore eachother to death, lose/severely injure limbs, and fight villains who murder children: this is fine Busybodies learning the same children's book series has one gay couple: >:( Fr though I think you are completely right that the number of people who care would be so far outnumbered by the number of people buying the books BECAUSE of the rep that it wouldn't matter in the slightest
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I feel like putting a same-sex couple in a piece of media is a litmus test for how willing a corporation is to take risks.
Just look at Wings of Fire! Sundew x Willow and even the hint of Tamarin x Anemone got so many complaints from homophobic as shit parents hating sapphic women, and yet Tui kept on trucking with them and the books have been doing fine despite it.
@@manymomath5466 what the fuck is your problem. lgbtq+ kids exist, and will always exist--it's just a matter of whether or not we're allowed to see people who look like us. by that standard, a whole bunch of straight stuff is inherently problematic because if you do research, you'll find problematic stuff. and what do you mean "shoving their idea down the throats of young audiences," it's important and vital to just have lgbt topics exist around young audiences, especially if their parents are homophobic and trying to teach them bigotry. i came from a homophobic mom and thank GOODNESS my librarians helped sneak me books with lgbt themes and i found creators who talked about it. i would suggest you rethink your bizarre and homophobic thoughts here, it's not too late to become a better person!
@@manymomath5466easy solution, kids wouldnt have questions to google if they knew the lgbtq was normal. if its treated as it should be then they wouldnt be asking that many questions. If its hidden away for them to only find out when theyre "grown enough" then theyll start asking far too late
@@manymomath5466having a canonically gay character in a children’s book/show/movie is not shoving it down their throat. it’s simply showing what real life relationships can be like- man on man, woman on woman, etc. if kids see it (and most likely will see it) irl, then what’s harming them from seeing it on a screen?
@@manymomath5466 What if a kid has same-sex parents?
The fact that this is in no way satire, is honestly hilarious. Make Mothpool canon and make Frostpaw Bi, and that would all but save this series.
@@ardengrovesshe can be bi and independent, she doesn't necessarily have to have a relationship or even a crush to realize her sexuality!
Sunbeam bi demigirl needs to be real now
@@midnightauklet5203yes I’ll pay my soul for that
OKAY
MOTHPOOL IS PERFECT
Frostpaw x Whistlepaw please 😭
As someone who thinks a lot of these she-cats could benefit from leaving their boyfriends and getting girlfriends instead, I can confirm I was stop complaining about the books
I’ve never agreed with a comment so much in my life until now
this is so real. squilf and dovewing either need to be single forever or get girlfriends
as a guy i would also enjoy gay cats
@@shadowyct FR
@@makinnir👍
“but they’re cats! they cant be gay!” don’t they literally talk and see dead cats and have forbidden romances and go to cat heaven i think the silly cat can have a crush on another silly cat of the same gender
Not only that but homosexuality _is_ present in cats in thr real world, it's present in several animals actually
With other animals, yeah. But with domestic cats it’s dubious. Depends on what you count as homosexuality.
Warrior cats arent real cats though, theyre special.@@lostinthestars_
Not to mention many, and i mean, MANY animals display homosexual behavior
Like, young animals even PRACTICE MOUNTING with other young males or females even do that to display dominance (sheep do that!)
@@100MilesofLOVE I haven't entirely read up much on it in cats, but I HAVE read quite a bit about male tortie cats (some are caused by having xxy chromosomes, some are chimeras, some are caused by other things) - I recall reading about one that showed interest in both male and female cats.
@@warriorcatkitty Yar! I’ve heard of that. It was pretty cool. Also, Not to be argumentative, but that tortie was like, a completely different sex than most cats, and would have a brain that acted differently than male or female sexed brains.I dont think you could call it normal for all cats, but it IS fun to learn about.
This whole conversation is weird, because cats cannot be gay, because the human idea of Gay cannot really be put onto cats since they do not have the concept of gender or romance, and they feel attraction in a completely different way than we do as humans.
Young males will go for literally anything during the breeding season if not given access to females, and dominant cats will use mounting behavior on less dominant cats. To equate this with human homosexuality is weird and doesn’t work. Two people could look at that behavior could go “ah yes, this is natural because its clearly in nature” or “ah yes, this is an abnormal distortion of the drive to mate”
Further support for the “homophobic backlash would be outshined by the fandom” point is that the fandom a few years ago there was a writer on the Erin team named Gillian Philip(not for Warriors but Survivors and Bravelands) who had made statements in supports of JK Rowling’s transphobia. The Warriors community addressed their backlash over this and got Harper Collins to remove her from the staff!
also Vicky Holmes was asked by fans (on a polish convention called pyrkon) if there are gay cats and she confirmed that ravenpaw and barley are in love, and that mousefur is ace :D everyone probably already knows that but I wanted to brag again because this just made me so happy
@@worddisassociation i knew ravenpaw and barley (as with i feel like everyone) but i didnt know mousefur is ace!! :)
I met Gillian Philip at a book signing and even have signed books from her including my copy of Bluestar's Prophecy, my fav book. This makes me so upset.
@@worddisassociation Awww mousefur being ace is so nice ;v; I wish I had heard of this before!
Cats cant be gay and especially trans you need to see
People always talk about countries /not/ wanting queer books, but there are a lot that really do! Including LGBTQ+ characters would also expand their reach in some countries, too! Brazil has been stocking up on children, middle grade, and YA books with queer characters of late, particularly foreign ones that they translate into their main languages (I'm basing this off of public foreign sales information, I am not from Brazil so I dont know how accepting the country is in general). Countries like the Netherlands and Germany are doing similiar things. Not only would including queer characters in Warriors make the fans happy and give kids representation, it also makes sense from a business perspective. Russia and China might censor things, but they already do that with HarperCollin's other books.
exactly, they already censor things already, why should we care😭
I agree, but Germany is currently going down a route that'll lead to russia-like censorship. At least if the next elections will go as they are currently expected to be. So I guess that one's a bad example.
Kids shouldn’t see sexuality at a young age and I personally dont want to read queer thing call me homophobic and transphobic and i dont care
If they take one of their standard no-chemistry, two-pieces of cardboard shoved together type romances and just make it gay I can honestly say it’d be enough to make me suddenly invested.
"two pieces of cardboard shoved together" is astronomically accurate
We would make them have substance, never underestimate the power of fanfiction
@@benjamindeez yes never underestimate the power of fanfictions, i have seen things
Two pieces of cardboard would become the most popular official pairing ever, never underestimate the power of gay cats
Why? Gay or straight it's still bad romance.
The dead gay lion was written by the Erins and is a feline. Therefore, the dead gay lion is the closest to a gay Warrior Cat we have.
maybe he’s one of their ancestors in lionclan but as the clans evolved and changed they pulled a florida and lgbtq+ rights just got steadily taken away overtime 💀
who is the gay dead lion?
@@IgottagowalkmyfishFearless from Bravelands
@@daisyaipom838 NO WAY THE PROTAGONIST IS GAY
I'VE READ LIKE ALL OF BRAVELANDS HOW DO I NOT REMEMBER THIS
@@Igottagowalkmyfish In The Venom Spreads, it says "She threw herself down on the ground dramatically as she recounted the tragic romances of Thorn and Berry, Fearless and Keen, Sky and Rock [...]"
i just want frostpaw and whistlepaw to be canon
SAME.
THIS IS SO REAL 🙏
SAME
6:31 Russian WoF fan here! "The Flames of Hope"'s cover redesign had nothing to do with marketing for children, as far as I'm concerned - if I remember correctly, the publisher wasn't able to acquire the rights to original cover or something like that (don't now the exact reason, but pretty sure you can guess why...). This cover is a VERY controversial topic in our fandom, actually 😅 There were even a flashmobe for fan redesign's, and they are really cool!
Interestingly enough, Sundew and Willow's romance stayed quite explicit even with "friends" label on it, which was a nice surprise. In 15th book we even had our non-binary character Axolotl (kinda - they're called a "he" in the same sentence as the "they're people don't call them "she" or "he"") + I heard that another gay couple's interactions weren't altered (Jumbu and Pineapple) - actually shocking, considering this book came out in Russia not long ago, after full LGBTQ+ in books bans. I haven't finished "The Flames", so, sadly, can't vouch for the accuracy of my last statement.
Oh, and also one of the Legends books got 18+ as well ("Dragonslayer") - for featuring two dads of supporting character. It was later removed (my copy has 12+ on the cover), but yeah, it happened :/
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or forgot something!
P.S.: Considering 18+ on several books: still can't get over 12+ rating on "Darkstalker" and graphic novels (we have only 2 officially translated). (SPOILERS!) A character ripping himself open and everything about the Arena is very children-friendly indeed 😂
Вы не знаете, будут ли «отравленные джунгл» и другие книги с лгбт продаваться дальше?
@@worddisassociation К сожалению без понятия... Но мне кажется, что в том или ином виде все-таки будут. Те же Отравленные джунгли пока что вроде продаются как минимум в онлайн магазинах, может быть даже в книжных есть, только в пленке и по паспорту (чисто догадки, давно в книжных не бывал). Особенно если учитывать, что формально никаких ЛГБТ пар у нас в книгах нет, только крайне крепкие женские и мужские дружбы) Под цензуру много квирной литературы попало, но я думаю, что в таких завуалированных вариациях мы хоть что-то еще да получим
Так что надежда умирает последней я считаю >:)
As a hardcore wings of fire fan, I had no idea about this russian cover! It looks terrible and is causing me physical pain! :)
А 18+ серьёзно только из-за геевских отношений поставили? Это так тупо, почему Россия такая хомофобная страна?
@@pinkajou656 I kinda like the colors on this version, but it definitely not very good in comparison to original 😔
I laughed out loud when you said "Make the characters gay" because it's absolutely true at this point.
gay cats in warriors being canon (LIKE.. ACTUALLY BEING CANON) would actually make me come back to the series
yeah! same
Absolutely same!
I would absolutely adore the gay cats
common Moonkitti W do you ever get tired of being right
@@Doveheartlmao what
@@Doveheart wait really??? proof??
@@Doveheart if you're going to be throwing around claims like calling someone a literal zoo then you better have actual solid proof. this is not something you can just throw around lightly and the silence when you've been asked for it is telling.
@@Doveheart gargles
@@Doveheart I don't know why you actual 10 year olds are on such a hate brigade, but it's not feral nor is it even sexual. It's a gag gift of a furry dovewing that she doesn't even have anymore. plus, moonkitti is asexual. please unclench and stop interacting with sexual topics on the internet as a child & exposing other children to that.
The Gay censorship that happens in Russia also happens in Poland... yeah we hate it too our goverment is just messed up.
Well it's not only the goverment in Latín América show any LGBT material is considere Bad and hated cause people here are very conservative and protest not for inclusion and representation insted protest for exclusion Of that kind Of contend not for nothing 80% Of the universitys and companys Of Center and South America rejected any LGBT inclusive lenguage
As a Russian, I can confirm that the country is homophobic(not everyone, I’m sure there’s people who aren’t) to the point people use(or used, I don’t see too many “gay” insults rn. Pretty sure it was some sort of a “trend” or something) “gay” as an insult.
In my personal (and very queer) opinion, we need some aro/aroace cats. There’s so little representation of this in media generally, and I’d love to see a more diverse group of LGBTQIA++ characters, not just gay ones.
I think Hollyleaf can be considered aroace considering she didn’t want kits or a mate, but instead be helpful
One of the main characters of Survivors is very aro/ace (Storm the main character of the second Arc). They should definitely have more characters like that in Warriors, there's too much romance plots as it is.
What about Mousefur?? (Or whatever her name was)
Yeah I think the two closest cats we have to being AroAce are Jayfeather and Hollyleaf? This AroAce wants AroAce cats
If it's any consolation, Fallen Leaves is only retconned into being Hollyleaf's mate in extratextual sources. Which means if it's not in a book, it doesn't count as being canon. Fallen Leaves expresses a fondness for Hollyleaf, but they never say they love each other, nor do they refer to one another as mates. For all the book is concerned, they're just friends.
For Half Moon, yeah, Jayfeather really wanted a girlfriend and a chance at a normal, prophecy-less life.
SOMEBODY FROM WARRIOR CATS HAS TO CLICK ON THIS VIDEO!!!!
indeed
As a person who have read russian translations of wc books I can say that they call both mates and friends "friends". So there won't be any difference if some of cats are gay, they will still be called friends x) Also, I don't think that now they will even get permission to translate new wc books legally, because, u know... War
we are still allowed to translate media. war would only impact us if russia were to put sanctions on western media out of fears of propaganda which has not happened
I mean, “mate” and “friend” is translating the same way kind of. Because it has the same meaning… not always, but sometimes.
Making gay cats canon would improve the series so very much. Someone who works on the books better see this. I want Mothpool and Ravenpaw and Barley and Talljake.
@@dalek--ck9oy I agree with that, and gay cats would be a good start to get there
@@dalek--ck9oy It's not about storyline, it's about perception. Straight and queer people can benefit from seeing LGBTQ+ characters, by having queer people and relationships normalized, and knowing that it's ok and normal to be queer. Obviously a gay cat won't fix a storyline, but that isn't the point of having them.
@@stabbycats taking this comment and highlighting in neon yellow seven times and circling in red pen because THIS EXACTLY. this is such an easy thing to grasp i don't get why people are struggling
@@dalek--ck9oy yeah yeah warriors write bad awful relationships but they can also write very lovely ones, that's not an excuse or reason for them not to try. they have already written a lovely gay romance if you count barely and ravenpaw as being canon. their relationship is drowning in gay subtext and is canon from the word of the authors, it's just not mentioned in the books outside of a character asking if they want to have kits one day. i get being worried but they CAN do these things well.
I think raven and barley is canon....not sure tho
thank you, it's very nice to have a single concise video that debunks all the silly excuses people make for Warriors to not have LGBTQIA+ representation
FROSTWHISTLE SHOULD BE CANON GODDAMNIT 😢
EXACTLY
OMG YES I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE
*Y E S.*
Do they have good interactions in the books? I haven't read that arc yet
@@idontknowstilldontknow1980they do! SPOILERS
whistlepaw pretty much finds frostpaw bleeding out in her own territory
As mildly embarrassing as it is to admit, Mothwing & Leafpool's relationship was kind of formative for my younger self in eventually figuring out her sexuality. And they aren't even canon! I'd love to see some actual LGBT characters in more recent books, im sure it could help a lot of kids reading them today as well.
For reallll. I'm rereading the second arc right now and Leafpaw talks about how pretty Mothpaw is a LOT lmao
@@CinemamuffinI’m pretty sure Mothwing already had received her full name when she became a medicine cat
@@elithepurpleshe had
@@Cinemamuffin Straight authors write so much shit from the POV of one character about another character of the same gender because they assume people will think "They can't be in a relationship." Seriously, it's like they somehow forget that gay people exist. I don't understand it.
Mothpool is cool fanon but it can't be canon because of them both being medicine cats tho.
@@shadowyzephyr About the mothwing and leafpool being medicine cats thing, that didn't stop leafpool dating crowfeather.
make frostwhistle canon. make squilf have a oneoff line about having feelings for moonlight at some point. make nightheart transfem and have sunbeam realize shes bi. GIVE STORMCLOUD A BOYFRIEND!!!!!
i believe one of the articles they had put out hinted at frostwhistle being made canon and they better follow through or else i'm going to be upset
@@meevinsWhat article was this? I don’t keep up with those
@@meevinswhat article was this? :o
oh nvm i found someone talking about it on tumblr (on everybody-loves-purdys blog)
@@dovewingseyesaregreen5664 i don't know what the actual article is because i don't either, i just saw cropped image on tumblr in which at least acknowledged frostwhistle in a romantic light and hinted that they could become mates in a "will she picked whistlepaw or splashtail" kind of way
if they are going to force us to sit through the most boring romances possible when both parties have personalities akin to a wet piece of cardboard then they should at least make some of those relationships gay.
How are they forcing you tho? You can just stop reading it and read another book, Right?
@@iseecowz196because unfortunately you have to read a lot of books to understand what comes later.
@@iseecowz196 we like the plots too, it's just that there's always a forced relationship (looking at violetshinextree and bristleroot) and tbh it would be nicer if the characters had different relatioships and dynamics.
I think the main reason people blame the publisher is because one of the old authors also blamed them (from my memory at least). I wonder now if they were telling the truth, although they seemed to be a huge JakeXTallstar fan
Heck, their giant underutilized cast of background cats would make this comically easy to do. It would be easy to point to any given random cat in ThunderClan and have them be dating another random background cat of the same gender, and it wouldn't be a retcon.
As an aside, I think it's very funny that apparently someone on the website team is involved in the fandom enough to be intimidated by how critical they are, because the editorial team clearly DNGAF.
I completely agree with this video. Also literally just one nonbinary cat would make me very happy. I don't even care if it's just a background cat that is only ever important for one scene, just so long as it's not a complete jerk character.
Thanks for the details on what harpercollins does/doesn't publish. Admittedly as a 28 year old gay in the warrior cats community i frequently forget that it's like... not 2008 anymore and it is a little weird to actively avoid making the gay stuff canon canon at this point. my brain's perception of mainstream media is eternally stuck in 'there is 1 show with a canon gay character who doesn't date and nothing else' land i guess?
I sure do love the cat series
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed‼️
AGREEDD!!!!
I like when it’s about cats and not people saying “HEY YOU BOY LETS GET MARRIED ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE THE SAME GENDER! not like I love u or anything tho.”
Fun fact: changing the cats' gender in other languages is a thing that already happens, although that's pretty much just because of a lack of editing and/or carelessness (or editors "knowing better", as I suspect that's what happened when Germany initally constantly changed Sedgewhisker to a tom because she's called -whisker.... until she was mentioned to have kits and it was finally corrected lmao)
2:03 I can't stop giggling because of the ''adjusted to be larger to be seen on screen''.
i wholeheartedly agree, we need more lgbtaqia+ cats
however, something that would also make the wc fandom not hate the series is-drumroll please:
giving more power to she-cats
what is WITH the misogyny in this series like jeez- especially dotc, they did all the female cast so dirty
BUT ESPECIALLY BUMBLE, bumble didn't deserve that :(
There is misogyny in a few of the books (not most imo) but dotc is a weird one to point out? The main examples were Bramble treating Squilf badly in TNP especially, Onestar's Confession, which was full of it, and a couple others.
DOTC had lots of powerful she-cats, like Shadowstar, Windstar, Star Flower, Quiet Rain, etc...
At least they made Squirrelflight leader and made Ivypool her deputy. Both she-cats which is nice to balance out the two male medicine cats.
This has just convinced me that i neèd to read wings of fire. I was wanting to read it for years but kept putting it off and was considering getting it on monday but this has been the final push
WoF is so good it’s just wonderful the community is rlly new too
I strongly recommend it. I enjoy the writing style a lot more than I ever did with Warriors and the world feels a lot more colorful. There's one love triangle in the second arc that I'm not a fan of (in my opinion, they should've been a poly) but besides that one hiccup there's really nothing bad I can say about it. If you're queer and like dragons, you're gonna fit right in with the fandom.
I want transfem Nightheart and Bi Sunbeam
Also small list of things I want to be canon
-Aroace Mousefur
-Aroace Shadowsight
-Bi Sunbeam
-Transfem Nightheart
-Trans Rowanstar
-Gay Stormcloud
-Gay Ravenpaw and Barley
-Gay Jake and Tallstar
yes
THIS.
Why are they crying over it being so hard to write a story the fans won’t hate or will love when all you have to do is take out the sexism (or maybe just acknowledge it in the story properly!!!!!) and gross age gaps to reach the bare minimum? Obviously it’s not the only problems with the series but come on how is it that hard ??
And yes!!! Gay cats!!
I love seeing Moonkitti talk about WoF content, as I've been a much longer fan of that book series. It's awesome to see that WoF has a more diverse set of characters, esp in the LGBTQ+ stance. I hope one day she'll do a video on WoF, as i'd really love to see it ! Though Warrior Cats is a.. decent book series, there isn't much rep. I remember reading The Poison Jungle for the first time and being like "woah what!! they'res gay dragons?!?! oh my gosh!!" in the most exited little voice in my head. After finding out I was non-binary and getting book 15, it filled me with a lot of joy of seeing *me* in Axolotl.
I really adore how non-cholent the rep is in WoF aswell, Tui herself has stated ( i believe ! ) that homophobia is not a thing in the books, which is even better! And I really REALLY appreciated how theres not 'dancing around' the word girlfriend or boyfriend, it's just outright *said* in the books and theres at least 3 gay couples in WoF I can name off the top of my head that have been very obviously stated as lovers. I believe theres probably more but, I just wanted to share my thoughts! It really helped me as a younger child feel.. more normalized about who I am today for my favorite book series to have so much representation. Also- Tui hasn't confirmed this, but, Biohazardia ( a very well known WoF youtuber ) has asked Tui about a trans sky headcannon, and Tui said she liked it! She didn't confirm it, but I still think that's real neat.
The labels are always insanely accurate.
I think one great thing about making a new protagonist gay is the doors it would open for retroactive storytelling. Mothwing gets to go "I loved her" about Leafpool. We learn about the secret background lesbian romance Mousefur was having the whole time. Also I think Sunbeam should dump Nightheart for his sister
I love Mothpool but I think Mouse should be Ace. She’s such a queen and we need the Ace representation
@@Frostfern94 Mousefur is a warrior, then an elder, and now a StarClan cat ig, but even if she ever became a leader, there isn't really a feudalistic element to it, and leaders don't inherit power via bloodline, so I wouldn't consider a leader a monarch.
Honestly yeah but didn’t mouse love red?
Mousefur has been confirmed to be asexual, so I feel it would be kind of unfair to asexual people (including myself) to retcon that, when we as well rarely get any representation
@@SylvainJoseGautier- Wait, when was Mousefur confirmed ace?
Though ace =/= aro. You can not feel physical attraction to someone, but still be romantically involved in them, or in my case(I’m aro, but heterosexual), vice versa, so Mousefur can still be in a romance.
"oh woe is me this fandom is so critical!11!!!1!!" "just make a cat gay." "no."
*CRITICISM INTENSIFIES*
Still hoping to see Frostpaw x Whistlepaw become canon and see Sunbeam leave Nightheart for Finchlight
s a m e
I'm LIVING for Sunbeam's relationship with Finchlight, they're so supportive!!
A rare sighting of another FinchSun shipper
I didn't think I would see you here, but yes I 100% agree with you. I would pay money to have Sunbeam leave Nightheart for his sister it would be hilarious. But I'll take any canon lgbtq+ cat at this point.
@@MoniMarble 🚽
*Cough* Frostpaw and Whistlepaw
frostpaw and whislepaw are very gay and will always be to me. i swear- i want them to be canon SO BADLY
Who else wrote forbidden gay romances with their cat OCs as a kid because there were none in the books? My hand is firmly raised. Please tell me about yours if you, too, were a closeted queer cat book enjoyer.
My jaw dropped because I know this is a haha funny video but it's 100% accurate. I'm so tired of having the thoughts "man this romance would be so much more interesting if they were queer" and "man this main character has so much more romantic chemistry with their same-sex best friend than their actual love interest." Sometimes the straight romances in these books are... really something. There are too many she-cats in horrible relationships that the fandom wishes would just leave her man for someone better. I want some cat wives. We want lesbian cat wives.
I think the solution to this is everyone here becoming an English major and becoming the next writing team /j
I had this video on in the background so when it got to the "dead gay lion" bit I thought we were talking about murdering Lionblaze and also making him kiss tomcats
i love how this isnt even wrong this is honestly what we need
Our fandom is a pile of flaming garbage, but it is a fun one 😂
I'm writting my own Fantasy story and i Made many reference to Warrior Cats with the Last name Of the noble families like "ivypool" "tigerclaw", "Blackstar" and "Bluestar"
Tbh, Ivypool is SUCH a noble name.
@@SproutiusShrubiusthe16thI know but my story is Knights, Magic and demons so i had to make it a last name
@@MarcPlayYatagarasu ik, that's why I'm saying that. It could totally fit as a noble last name.
@@SproutiusShrubiusthe16thsorry if i'm being rude as i Say in another coment i'm from Venezuela and i live there So My mother lenguage is Spanish
@@MarcPlayYatagarasu its okay!
Frostpaw should kiss Whistlepaw in the next book
yes. yes. i need this to happen. or im going to scream.
YES
yes please
Cats don't kiss, so what would be more likely is that they twine tails or rub each other with their tails or something, or say they are mates idk. Point is, cats don't kiss.
@@uglyfense7754shut up
I loved those 2 gay lions in bravelands. It was so cute
who are the gay lions?
@@Igottagowalkmyfish Fearless and Keen
@@dawnsunlight oh ty
Surprised you didnt yet make a "how good would x cat be as a leader" (like what if longtail was leader, or what if mousefur was leader) based on the videos of "i rate your warrior cats ships"
Gay cats + Stop putting in weird plots abt main characters having to bend over to their abusers and how disabiliy makes your life sad and suck forever. Just like, pay more attention to your writing and let the cats be gay and I'll have no complaints. The plots can be as dumb as they want regardless of those two things and I'll still like em.
Actually, the main character is jake, all the protags are jakes descendants
5:00 actually, making it so that the gay cats change gender would make them trans. I’ll let that cook.
jake is everyones father, *jake is your father*
Jake alone will save our clan
@@Littlefox1213 oh no
Edit: wouldn’t that make it so that goosefeather thought blue star was jake?
@@Countcluckular I think so
Well, Crystal would really be the protag because she's Jake's mom
They could totally do this. I've been reading a series called Gryphon Insurrection that reminds me a bit of Warriors, except all the characters are gryphons, and they not only have same sex couples but also a trans character.
While I would appreciate LGBTQ+ representation as a transmasc individual, I don't trust the warriors team to handle representation at all. They already fumble disabled representation constantly, the most recent example being Shadowsight. When Shadowsight has a seizure, they hold him down--this is only the most recent example of something being handled poorly. Most disabled cats are killed off, given nasty names, or treated horribly by their clanmates. How do we know they won't just kill off gay cats the second we give them the praise they want?
It happens constantly, and I cannot see them properly handling LGBTQ+ representation if they can't even handle that properly. We are not something that can pandered to, then expected to just eat the crumbs we've been served. If they had a proper, non-stereotypical gay cat, then maybe I'll start buying the books again.
But for the life of me, I cannot imagine a world where they have a gay cat that isn't demonized, a harmful stereotype, 'pitied', ect.
If they can't be bothered to do simple research into the proper way to handle a seizure, then I don't trust them to do the proper research into LGBTQ+ identities.
poorly handled gay characters > no gay characters
@@MoonkittiI think I agree with your statement
@@Moonkitti I agree with your points in the video, but I'm a little stuck on this one. I guess it depends on what you mean?? A gay cat being used to demonize queer people sounds a lot worse, since it'll just make more kids believe that being gay is bad. I'm just a little confused.
That said, if you mean them using the bury your gays trope, I do agree. I'd rather have a book where the gay cat dies than a book where the cats are all straight. Just depends on how they're portraying the queer community.
Alternately, TRANS CATS. We've had ones that could be accidents (characters trans their genders between series/books) but if lionesses who start growing manes and acting like males are a thing in the wild, there can be trans cats in the cat books. Bonus if it happen when they're in a straight relationship and their partner's fine with it, making the relationship suddenly gay too.
before anyone tries to be weird about this - these cats can talk to ghosts, can kill ghosts, have super powers and use plants as medicine i think trans cats are reasonable. whenever i see this brought up everyone defaults to talking about how the others would be able to tell because of their junk and i'd like to ask: why is that where your mind first goes to? why is your first thought when you hear about trans cats is just to hyper focus on what's between their legs because not only are you outing yourself but those are literal feral cats you creeps. i do not trust the erins to write a trans character, not in the slightest but it's a nice thing to think about.
yeah!!!! going to the medicine cat den for hrt lol
@@pinky_pepper "Why do you smell different?"
"So there's this new herb the med cat found that's helping me with some problems"
"How does an herb make you smell like a she-cat?"
"So funny story my problem is that I want to be a she-cat"
This and give us SquirrelStar (which they did do), so one step closer!
Moonkitti we NEED to hear your talks on how you feel about the recent book and
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squirrelstar becoming leader and ivypool being deputy
Yeah, it’s honestly very disappointing that we don’t have any confirmed lgbtq characters yet. We’ve been waiting for 20 years, and we haven’t even gotten official confirmation that Ravenpaw and Barely or Tallstar and Jake are canon. The Warriors fandom helped me realize my sexuality and gender identity, it’s a very queer space and homophobia is rightfully called out. I’m sure the day will come where they add an officially lgbt character to the series, it’s just tough that it hasn’t happened yet. So many times I’ve been told that I can’t make my warriors sona lgbtq because “cats can’t be gay, it’s unrealistic”. Even warriors roleplay games ban lgbtq a lot of the time. (I can’t remember if Lgbtq is banned in WCUE, I feel like it was at one point but I definitely remember older roblox games having even the mention of lgbtq forbidden) It would be nice to see kids finally being allowed to express themselves fully.
Cats can actually do quote unquote '' homosexual behavior''
So they kinda can be gay, in a sense. Also if anyone's says you can't be you, tell em to f*** off! :3
How do we get them to actually see this lmfao
tbh this channel is my only porthole into whats going on in the WC fandom, so thank you for talking about something that would ACTUALLY get me to read these books lol
So super extreme great! I'm exciting for this one! 🥰
SQUIRRELSTAR!!! SQUIRRELSTAR!!!! SQUIRRELSTAR!!!! PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT SQUIRRELSTAR!!! I LOVE HER SM EVEN JUST A CELEBRATION VIDEO BECAUSE NOW SHES SQUIRRELSTAR
Artful to put 2 calicos as the thumbnail
Oh on the topic of doing things in the books so the weird playground bully nonsense in roleplays would stop, give more of the cats silly names please 🙏
I haven’t read Warriors in a long while, but if we got gay cats I would slam myself back into the series at full speed like a bird fully convinced that it’s open air and not a large sheet of glass, nothing could possibly go wrong.
Just make Flipclaw and Feather kiss
Flipclaw and Feather needs to be made canon I love them sm
Moonkitti got the fursona meta purrfectly
some of you are outing yourselves in the comments because why does warrior cats need to justify a gay character existing? why does there need to be a long list of reasons behind the decision when none of you bat an eye lid at generic cardboard hereto romance number one eight five? none of you say that they're making the cats straight for the sake of it or it's being shoved down your throats and is forced, none of you demand to know why they made a character straight. none of you say that the romances are offensive hereto representation because the characters sole personalities are just being in love with another cat or being a parent but i know for the fact if the genders where flipped you'd all start running your mouths. it's very telling, you're not at all being subtle. stop trying to make your homophobia sound progressive lol
@@LordFloppus4942how in the world is having gay characters “close minded” would you mind explaining
@@LordFloppus4942 no idea who you are but thank you for proving my point!
@@nothinpurrsonal they're calling me close minded idiot because i asked them why are they so bothered with gay characters actually being called gay in their source material. their response was to just hurl a bunch of insults at me and they seem to just be doing it here too
exactly 😭 it rly just comes to the fact that ppl see straight relationships as more Natural but will always see gay stuff as out of place. ppl always throw around "forced diversity" rhetoric whenever a single Gay appears but nobody talks about compulsory homogeneity
@@meevins they’re so pathetic
silly lil kitties everywhere
I want a Leafpool super edition where Mothpool becomes a thing in star clan
Moonkitti should become a part of the Erin hunter team
I showed Emberdawn (on Blogclan) this video and now everyone's saying she's famous :P
erins please give us gay cats we are begging you
I want firestar and graystripe to smooch in cat heaven :(
You tell em, Moonkitti. Its too real
as a current 14 yo, i would be extremely happy ! Squilf needs a girlfriend, even though that wouldnt happen anyway
I had a dream that moonkitti was chasing me shouting "GAY CATS!" (and for some reason i was fighting it even though I am very much gay and am completely on board with gay warrior cats)
Genuinely whole heartedly agree actually
Ravenbarley Ravenbarley Ravenbarley Ravenbarley
if this actually happens I will buy 20 copies of every warriors book. No joke, I would actually do that
When I clicked on this, I wasnt expecting what your point was going to be, but your honestly so right. I started reading this series when I was about 8, maybe 9, and now I'm in my early 20's. Funnily enough, my favorite cat in the whole series has always been ravenpaw, and his relationship with barley plays a big role in that. And yea, it is pretty worrying that with a series that has spanned multiple decades, there is still no concrete lgbt rep. Even ravenpaw and barley arent "technically" confirmed. (With the writers opting to call them "good friends" and what not). I think the writers should definitely take notice that a majority of ship fanfiction and stuff in this fandom is mostly gay. All we want is some representation, and we've just decided to write our own, since they wont do it. And I forgot with being in this fandom so long, that we could just ASK them to include lgbt+ themes. They may not listen, but we could still try.
If this happened I would absolutely get back into reading the actual books
The literal only 2 reasons I Ravenpaw' farewell was because
1. I had just finished arc one (already knowing Ravenpaw would show up like 2 times in the next arc and then never again) and Wanted more of the perfect boi
2. I wanted to see gay cats being gay
I think people forgot that sorreltail used to be so close to leafpool
Well there is that approach, or alternatively the ghost writers can do some research to help flesh out the characters, or just go off on their own tangent but write it well enough to fit with the story's flow, resulting in a book with parts that, although don't quite make sense, are phenomenal to read.
It's canon that Ravenpaw and Barley are mates.
This is so cool I’m the watching the views, likes, and time posted ago go up!😮😊
2:10 I genuinely LOVE how Moon depicts a homosexual cat relationship as a relationship between two calicos because in real life, calicos are pretty much always female. XD I just really like that.
The sentence "make the cats gay" is going to be something i quote for a good while
another homestuck & warrior cats fan spotted hehe
THANK YOU!!! thats all I have to say :)
Video 8 of asking moonkitti to do another clan gen video
I LOVE GAY CAT
I like to think that all of us have a dead gay lion inside of us ready to unleash 😅
Dying at queer ducks. Getting that for my niece.
let finchlight and myrtlebloom be a background couple. That's all. I'd take it.
I think you and Bellasaurus would get along pretty well tbh
I’d also love to see an asexual and or aromatic cat. As an aroace myself I’d love warrior cats so much more if I could see my sexuality within a series I love. I know this (probably) can’t happen in real life but a trans cat! I’m not trans but that’d be really cool to see. Especially a main character and as a sub plot maybe they have to figure out their identity. I think they is a lot of potential.
I remember the day I fell in love with Warrior Cats it was the HawkWing's journey book I first got and to this day I love Warrior Cats. I may not have a reliable answer for this fandom but I hope the Erins do something about this fandom/ books I love! Also, I like to say YES we need gay cats but to me I feel better if we had more MLM cats.
OH WOW- i didn't realize Harper Collions actually wasn't the issue. I thought this for YEARS... dang. Add freakin gay cats already, warriors team. Please.
Busybodies learning about a children's book series where the main characters routinely gore eachother to death, lose/severely injure limbs, and fight villains who murder children: this is fine
Busybodies learning the same children's book series has one gay couple: >:(
Fr though I think you are completely right that the number of people who care would be so far outnumbered by the number of people buying the books BECAUSE of the rep that it wouldn't matter in the slightest