Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, The WNBA and the Sports Media industry
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I think what's sad is the folks that use Clark as a cudgel to either start a race war or bash the rest of the WNBA.
Dude yes. This is such a stupid way to digress an argument from logical to illogical.
THIS, people barely watch this league but will gladly join the discourse cause its popular right now to be an ass about it
it pisses me off how i can’t even scroll thru my YT feed without seeing some racially charged vid that obviously slanders/vilifies WNBA players with this false manufactured narrative that THEY HATE CAITLYN and their petty jealousy for her supposedly exposes how it’s actually their own self-absorption and poor character that’s REALLY TO BLAME for the lack of success their league has seen to date 🙄 like I’M WHITE and that shit’s been pissing me off since it started late in the tourney
Lots of these same people have never ever cared about watching a game or anything related to the league at all yet now they’re trying to give an opinion on how the rest of the league is so jealous and whatever
They don't even watch the W. They just box score watch CC.
Ideally, the 20's for the WNBA will be like the 80's for the NBA. I just want more fun basketball to watch.
The discourse around Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese has been so very, very cursed.
The jealousy of the rest of the league is getting to her. Hate to see it
We haven’t been normal about sports in a LONG TIME bro
Sports Media is so reactionary and negative right now
@@gluggerluggger Been this way since Jim Rome's time fr. Only thing that has changed is the MONEY ATTACHED lol
@gluggerluggger yep so has in everything it seems
I gotta lot of respect for Aja Wilson , imagine the bonofide best player in the league, and all your questions after the games are about rookies , and she’s kept pretty neutral about the whole thing . People giving a lot of hate to Becky for her comments on Caitlyn but she’s basically just sticking up for the integrity of the league .
I think a lot of the same guys who talked bad about the WNBA and hated when anyone mentioned it are now being brought in as casual fans by players like Clark, and because of that they treat the rest of the league like a charity case that should be *grateful* for Clark bringing them in, rather than simply enjoying women’s hoops. So they use Clark as a cudgel to frame all other players as jealous and ungrateful, instead of just appreciating greatness
The other players don’t seem to appreciate greatness either though
The players of the league tell a story of petulantly hating CC and explicitly hating the attention she brings to the game all on their own.
A'ja Wilson is putting up prime LeBron numbers, Cameron Brink at one point was averaging 3.4 blocks, Angel Reese got choke slammed but all they want to talk about is CC trying her best with a bunch of bums. Basketball fans hate basketball.
@@spoder22they appreciate greatness in the league once it’s earned. You can’t catch a wnba player talking bad about Parker. Or Maya Moore. But you gotta earn that. It’s 144 players and almost everyone is fighting for their roster spot every year.
@@spoder22they're competitors. what else should they do? 😂 CC hasn't displayed greatness yet either
As a person who has followed the Fever I’m just glad that they are being called out for how bad they are. Maybe changes will happen now
She's only the start of the rebuild. The spurs with wemby were still last in the west iirc
Circle City flag!
@@ehkointhey got Boston too. Not a bad start to a rebuild.
@ehkoin Boston is the start, but hopefully there is a turnaround
@@kxngmuzikig2417 it’ll be really difficult. The W is the most teeny dense league in major American sports with its small rosters and low number of teams.
Great quote I just saw that relates to Stephen A. People who can’t communicate think that everything is an argument. People who lack accountability think that everything is an attack.
First take talked more about Lebron vs Michael than the WNBA in the past 5 years lol
"I'm a Caitlin Clark flan! I'm a Caitlin Clark flan, and the reason why I'm a Caitlin Clark fan.." 🤣Kofie you funny man
Also a Caitlyn Cark flan
The craziest thing to me is the notion that other athletes in the W need to be thanking Clark. Clark and the rookie class are bringing a lot of eyes to the W, but that doesn’t mean that the other players need to thank them or let up their competitive spirit. If that was the case, then NBA players in the 90s should have showed reverence and taken it easy on MJ for bringing more eyes and revenue to the league. Nah they still went out there, talked their shit and competed. And guess what? MJ just let his game do the talking and won championships🤷🏾♂️
Matt Barnes had the best take of all the dude talking heads. His point about the bigger story being the fever teammates not stepping up for her.
Yeah he was spot on. Superstar rookies take extra flak and shots from veterans. It’s just how sports work.
Does anybody remember what Sidney Crosby went through his rookie year with the penguins? Dude got absolutely fucking mugged night to night.
It’s nothing new and it certainly isn’t racial. Clarks teammates need to figure out how to handle it.
@@PensFan35look at Bedard
As a rook, she has to EARN the respect of her teammates. That’s kinda how sports work in general
he is correct but at the same time I don't think some people realize, they haven't been a team very long. The rookies played in March Madness then moved right into the WNBA, not a lot of time to get to know each other.
Shit if it weren't for CC they'd still be flying coach each game. The Sky were in DC after the Fever, and had less than half the turnout Indiana got at an AWAY game
Obviously I don’t have your experience or perspective with the social media account management side of things, but I can’t help but feel that the issues with sexism are as strong as ever. Any time I see ESPN post about WNBA, or the WNBA social media accounts cross-post with the NBA, there is not a single positive comment or anything even related to whatever is posted, unless it is explicitly putting the skill level of the players down. It’s extremely disheartening to see that type of behaviour so normalised.
the stranger coming into your house analogy was spot on, great way to conceptualize that. also, you look like you could be Benny the Butcher's nice younger cousin. keep up the great work Kofie
Nah Kofie's facial hair actually connects. I rock with Benny the Butcher but he got three pieces of beard all disconnected from each other.
@@ninthfloor LMFAO foul, but true
I've been saying this for a bit but I feel the way people treat Clark as if she should be treated with soft hands or allowed to just win games is detrimental to not only the game, but Clark herself. I knew immediately she was gonna struggle in this league and what's worse is the eyes that are on the league were the ones who typically acted like the WNBA was a punchline. I think Clark will be good, but she's on a team that needs to develop chemistry people acted like she herself was the sole thing in Iowa that got her to those finals when Basketball has always been a team sport and chemistry typically wins championships not just superstars. I think a lot of this is just people who lack any kind of ball knowledge finally being exposed for what they are; people who don't pay attention to the game, be it men or women. Clark will be a star in a league with the best talent in the world, but the circus around her is so much more telling because it just exposes the circus we kinda just put up with because all the other leagues have established ideas and concepts. The WNBA does too but those people don't have nearly the platform, and I'm glad you're boosting them because shit wouldn't happen if we just idk paid attention to the people who know and not just the guys who yell the loudest.
Ahh man in the mist of all the ignorance, idiocy, and blatant misogyny surrounding this league, its good to see someone who knows wtf is actually going on. Keep doing you Kofie
Caitlin Clark Fan❌ Caitlin Clark Flan✅
mmmmmmm flan
My dream is Reese v Clark has the same positive impact that Bird v Magic had.
All this negative can become a positive
Positive impact? Bird had to call Bostons racism out against Magic multiple times and the hate was way stronger on both sides.. The hate built the league
“Unless you’re John Stockton “ 😂 lmao preach @kofie !
The resentment towards Clark from other players reminds me of when David Beckham first signed with the LA Galaxy in 2007. Beckham signed a several-million dollar deal, which led to a lot of envy as barely anybody in MLS made seven-figures at all (some reserves made as little as $12,000 per season). He also brought a lot of new fans out to matches, many of whom showed up just to see him, which didn't help with the resentment. There were a lot of hard fouls on him in his first few years in LA by guys making a fraction of what he was. Ultimately, his contract led the league to loosen spending restrictions which helped increase salaries and improve the quality of play across the board.
That's a good example bcuz MLS started around the same as the WNBA, and has been equally disrespected in terms of how it's covered US media.
You’d probably like the Detroit Shock teams of the early 2000s.
Katie Smith led all pro basketball players (men and women) in made threes for a short time before Reggie took the mantle, Deena Nolan was a Rondo-like point guard, and Cheryl Ford anchored the interior. I find it funny that Karl Malone never won a chip, but his daughter (Ford) who he abandoned won three. The Shock were coached by Bill Laimbeer, so you can guess how they played.
It stings a little that they relocated to Dallas.
I really started the wnba in the wubble. I am a bigger soccer fan so NWSL gets more of my time than wnba but this year watching all the rookies in wnba is so exciting I'm spending more time than usual on wnba.
But just in my regular life my brother has always been one of those dismissive people about wnba but he's a big shoe guy and he knows more about Sabrina's shoes than I do.
Its telling that the first 2 comments on the Angel Reese clip from the Awful Announcing tweet are bashing Angel jist because she isn't Caitlyn Clark...
I really enjoyed Kate Fagan's book Hoop Muses to learn some of the lore. Some really interesting stuff
Maybe making a brain dead punter so popular was the biggest mistake in sports media history
Kofie how do you never miss
knew you were a good follow. this video confirms that. love your approach and the fact youre in some way trying to give props to those that have been covering the game for wnba
This madness is the Caitlin Clark effect. It will follow her the rest of her life!
Thanks!
I wish more respect was given to the UFL, I hate the rock as an owner but it’s more about these guys who’ve been in and out of the league and having a breakout amazing season for a UFL team, and noones talking about them
Thanks, Kofie
Thank you for an awesome analysis..I just subscribed to your page.
I actually tune into Wnba because of Clark and Reese and that tall girl thats Steph's godsister
I think a solid point to really drive home the jealousy and competition aspect: the team that wins the chip, always gets the hardest competition, outside of rivalry and hate, the succeeding year. Every team is gunning for them. You can always tell in the regular season the year after
Still not cool to body check, but you get the point
SAS is pro wrestling, the man is always working us, I believe nothing he says lol
Thanks for highlighting other content creators I gave one a follow!
I appreciate your honesty
Man, what great coverage though, I’ll def be checking out media that has been covering the sport from now on.
I like the green screen in the background. Visuals are good and engaging.
How do you like her defense? Looks like a JV high school player. That's likely what happened. Starting shooting booms and if they go in, her coaches would let her guard the slow girl who never shoots! Stunted her growth.
Please don’t forget to drop the link Kofie 🙏
One of my friends is die-hard wnba and doesn’t watch anything else outside of boxing and mma. I feel bad for her bcuz she’s getting a taste of mainstream sports attention and it sucks for her.
I feel bad for Clark.. she just wants to hoop but her toxic fans will destroy a movement she is the catalyst for
Most “Catlin Clark fans” are not really fans of her they seem to use her as either a political pawn, push some narrative, or like her because other people do. Most of them fans can’t tell you what she good or bad at what she needs to develop. It just feels like most of her fans who ( are white ) only watch her because she is white.
I'm just desperate for the Houston Comets to return.
Kofie I think you forgot the slam link in the description
Another sport with the turnaround that the WNBA has would be the PLL
remember when pat mcafee was like, a well liked person in sports media? i watched his show a lot back in 2019, but i find him absolutely insufferable now. like he used to be a fun storyteller who had a very unique perspective, but then he blew up and either became, or revealed himself to be a massive prick. i realized it when that whole brett kollmann situation happened, like he managed to come off as a complete asshole in a situation where he donated $5k to a guy who needed money to keep his dead dad's possessions. that takes like an impressive level of douchebaggery. all because someone had the audacity to tag him on twitter. one time.
He started to fell off with the Aaron Rodgers 2020 shitshow
His move to ESPN didn't help. He had a big ego and built in fanbase that clashed with SAS and his fanbase. But the company seems to hold them in equal value because they can cover virtually every demographic with those two
I think that there are a few things going on with Caitlyn Clark’s treatment the Main thing that people keep talking around & not really acknowledging is that a lot of us as Black people (for very understandable historical reasons) have a chip on their shoulder about having their contributions ignored, overshadowed, downplayed or co-opted in service of building up The Next Great White Talent. & that resentment is part of why we see CC being treated the way that she has been treated & why some black commentators- especially established WNBA people are not comfortable with calls to protect CC more- & while the Stephen A Smith’s of the world can see the messed up stuff going on because their gender gives them enough distance to be fair to CC, even they have been in comparable places before around Dirk, Jokic, Steve Nash etc.
Also a part of it is that athletes are going to be competitive, they want to be the best & attack anyone who gets in the way including a rookie, another part is that the NBA is so small & the roster spots are so rare that every player has to treat every other player like their worst opp, & if you aren’t a simultaneously an all world talent & a Draymond tier Goon then you get run off the floor one way or the other & then you gotta go play in Russia with all the risks & downsides that come with that
You can hype up one player without trashing the rest and that's something these bozos don't understand You spoke about this well Thank you
I'm not a new WNBA fan, I'm a NCAA Womens basketball fan following the players I have been watching to the WNBA. The WNBA players are making me loose interest in watching the game and seeing their talent. They need to steal my attention from the rookies I follow by playing well, not by complaining about the NEW players.
“Why can’t you just be normal?”
*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH*
It’s crazy to see the people who wanted wnba shut down saying it was a tax write off for the men’s league….now they’re covering the league
the dig at john stockton got me and made me cackle id love to know what madce you hate him.
I want to pick a wnba team to root for but there isn't one near me so idk which team to pick
Kofie so real for that intro❤
John Stockton catching strays lol
What did he do?
@@antoinehenderson1659
He's a rightoid reactionary
@@RaininginSeersVillage and a playoff choker, don't forget that.
I’ve seen someone go as far to say that CC was assaulted 😂
Can anyone recommend a WNBA RUclips channel preferably by a woman
Your reaching with this one but just type it in.
The Winsidr Show
quita loves sports. she just uploaded a good video recapping all the mess lol
@@kanarininjayes! I just found her stuff a week or two ago and I love her, she’s great
Idk if a woman runs it but "women hooping" is a good channel for highlights and news
kofie... heres the real question... if CC an AR were teleported to the 80s when the wnba was in its infancy... how much more would the average contract be?? the popularity these women have are on WIlliam sister level of fame. all the women before them, did not garner that much attenion, and thus to the masses, CC or AR are the litearly only reason they watch and thus why basketball is great. u have 5000 people who are diehards day ones watching Candice Parker for years!! then u get 40k brand new spanking fans in arenas day one for a rookie... it kinda means she curbed the market and the overwhelming majority wont care, your angle is should they care???
The 80’s? The W was founded in 1997
The W was founded in 96
@@devanwelch404996
@@Lynnamon it was founded in 96, started play in 97
Here for the stockton hate!
Leave it to Kofi to be rational about all this. What a bore!
Ngl you gotta admit their schedule has been the most daunting out of ever team’s
May was cruel to the Fever, but it'll balance out. The olympics kind of fuck up the ability to make smooth schedules. June will be much easier than May was for the Fever. Hopefully, they'll even be better for going through the fire so immediately.
Nice IMS hat
I’m just gonna keep my head down and root for my Connecticut Sun
I watched last year when games came on. The narrative that got me to watch last year was having two super teams in the Aces and the Liberty.
I’ve watched 8 of the 11 Fever game and usually I’ll watch the other game that comes on that night if it’s in my cable package. The girls are fairly rough. That’s what you will notice immediately. I’m a big NBA fan so the quality of play of course isn’t as good, but the women can hoop without the elevation. Caitlyn in 11 games, 8 that I watched in real time had 1 unnecessary foul against her. I saw three hard screens that landed, all LEGAL. And she has been okay but struggled with her shot. She needs to get a floater or midrange, but logo threes is how she became famous. They are guarding her hard, partly because it has been effective and her teammates aren’t making the defense pay. She will be alright but I think they could have marketed the old stars with the rookie class better BEFORE the season started. I think the turnaround from college to pros was so quick.
What did John Stockton do?
I'm tired of the word discourse
as for the "stranger in the home" analogy, what if the legacy entities are just wrong?
Lets gooo!!!
Can we just be normal 😂😂 sir this is normal American interactions. This is what we do constantly.
I stand on business, I’m hoping that Caitlin, Angel, and Cameron can bring actual revenue to the WNBA like what Magic/Bird did for the NBA in the 80’s.
I have been paying attention to Women's B-Ball since I was pretty young, tapes from when Cheryl Miller was crushing it and that Women's Olympic team in 84, then watching Women's Olympic B-Ball in Atlanta in 96, yeah it's a different game, but it gets even more competitive than Men's ball sometimes; I have been annoyed with the misogynist haters forever now, people don't realize how Women's ball has effected the NBA, Cheryl taught Reggie how to play coming up, Reggie was a main influence on Steph Curry's playstyle, do the math.
You made a lot of good points but excusing a dirty play as “adjusting to the league” is wrong imo. Cheap shots aren’t part of the game. Let them trash talk and get a little physical, but dropping your shoulder and trucking someone is messed up
Draymonds dirty antics don’t get waved off as adjusting to the league. The ones in the WNBA shouldn’t either.
Please, every nba player has a "welcome to the league" story. You probably say shit like "the nba's gotten too soft" out the other side of your mouth. Flagrants happen all the time in the nba and they never set off his kind of firestorm. Weird folks just had their white girl protection button pushed.
Imma be real, the Fever doing NBA attendance numbers (16000+ a game). The Sky, despite not being a terrible team like the Fever, get half that attendance. Yes it is CC that's giving them attention, and it's not weird to say this it's just a fact. She's the biggest draw in women's and men's basketball.
Clark being hounded in airports even led to the WNBA chartering planes for teams after almost 30 years of making the ladies fly coach.
hey kofie i like your hat. it gives me hope for a motorsports video. also, go storm. 🏆🏆🏆🏆
The Clark fans honestly only hate Angel Reese because she’s the reason they even care about her and refuse to just accept that the male figures that overlook her are flat out wrong in doing so. Lebron doubling down made things worse, Charles and co reducing it to jealousy ALL set nasty precedents that now they won’t take responsibility for.
That’s facts if you remember the reason we know of them is because angel did the ring celebration towards Clark and Joe Bidens wife invited the Catlin Clark’s Iowa team to the white house despite losing the championship against angels lsu team. Which in both instances started a race war.
I know this is off topic but Kofie do you not fw soccer at all?
Reminds me of rookie lebron vs the league
People skip past the part where Caitlin elbowed Carter the play before and the bump wasnt that bad , she just flopped. They make it seem like she just hunted this girl. Nobody will show the elbow because it doesn’t fit there narrative
Inb4 SAS claims pimp credit for US soccer in 2032
i find it wild how poorly taurasis comments on clark coming to the league went over. there is SUPPOSED to be a learning curve and even more so considering how clark plays the game. taurasis 20 years of wnba experience were looked over as many people dismissed her comments as "hate" or something adjacent. not only are the experienced voices in the media being overlooked but also the experienced voices within the league too.
Did I miss something about you being that low on John Stockton?
Covid truther.
Wait why the John Stockton hate?
He became a conspiracy nut in the last ten years
@@richborn6700 reasons like this is why i stay off Twitter. I can live in blissful ignorance that everyone from my childhood isn't suffering from brain rot
Wait what did John Stockton do? I know bout Karl. But John too?
Too much chest hair.
@@morganbrokaw5190 I’m so lost man 😂😂
SAS savior complex
The newer fans who are CC fanatics have been uber fucking annoying to interact with because fuck…
Lmao I must ask why do you hate John Stockton? 😂😂
Mf said ‘Caitlin Clark Flan’
I cannot stress enough how horrible is was to talk about women's sports in general in the past. WNBA was a punchline all my life until the last few years. Women's basketball is just as fun to watch as men's and I am so glad people give a shit about it now.
Yerr
25:30 this happens in every sports league idk why u are acting like this is new and unique to the WNBA.
I think people if anything underestimate Clark’s impact on interest in the WNBA. The viewership, attendance, and revenue numbers were way up in 2023 and theres nothing you can really point to causing that other than the huge popularity of the final four and final of the women’s ncaa tournament which led into the wnba season.
I think the biggest thing is that she’s the golden goose, and I’m not sorry saying this but the league gotta protect her or atleast her teammates gotta stand up for her. And it’s nothing on Reese but it’s like how wrestling is. Rising tides bring all ship up and like faces of the franchise you’ll get more of the cake if we all get to play and make it entertaining.
Denying Clark's impact on the viewership and popularity is denying literal numbers.
Can we be realistic at least?
Yeah, the numbers don't lie
Numbers don't lie but your mind can be tricked using numbers. Lol😂😂😂❤
I don’t think the “They should thank Clark” people were as vocal until players started criticizing her. I honestly can’t tell you if her game will translate well in the league, she is 3 point specialist and it looks like the WNBA plays D like it’s the late 90s, but she has put eyes on the game that weren’t there before. No one has to thank her or give her special treatment though. As for Reese….its not a Magic/Bird situation because both of those players were successful because of how talented they were when they had the ball. Caitlin shooting 3s and Reese is missing point blank under the basket, getting the rebound, missing, and repeating until the other team gets the ball or she’s fouled. It’s not fun to watch her play in my opinion.
1. Catlin Clark is shooting 29% from 3 so what 3s is she making 2. If u don’t find players who play under the rim fun the sport is not for you. 3. If shooting 3s is what makes Caitlin fun to watch then she’s definitely not fun to watch and must have other reasons why🤣. 4. These are rookies, rookies tend to be inefficient even some of the good veteran players Kelsey plum is shooting 35%, Arike is shooting 36%, jewell Loyd 34%. 5. There are many aspects of basketball that make it fun offense, defense, rebounding, plays and the only thing you like is shooting 3s I’m sorry but you either just started watching basketball or just started watching when Steph curry became his popularity in 2015.
@@fruke2629 if you read my comment properly I stated she was missing from point blank range. Never said anything about scoring under the rim isn’t fun, nice try though. Caitlin is having a rookie slump like you said but she will probably be shooting in the 30s as well. One has a flashier play style. Not even saying Clark is better than Reese.
@@austinparks997 buddy you said “it not fun to watch her play in my opinion” you are unknowingly saying scoring under the rim is not fun,because that’s what she does 🤣 are you trying to say her rebounding and good defense is boring. Catlin Clark is throwing up shots she can’t make, have turnovers at an historic rate, and is a terrible defensive player.
@@fruke2629 she doesn’t score under the basket lmao she misses. She is as accurate from close range as CC is from 3 buddy 😂
@@austinparks997 you can afford to be struggling on offense when your a good rebounder and defensive player 🤣. When your ass on defense you have to be consistently good on offensive and if your not your just a walking liability like Clark is 🤣
The comments about Clark weren't just players being "realistic". Do you remember people being negative about Wembanyama entering the league? I don't. This is the players shooting themselves in the foot.
And also something can be true but bringing it up all the time is still hate. Like if ur ugly and I and all my friends go on the news every day and talk about how ur ugly were still hating even if were correct.
I have literally never seen a hyped rookie coming into the NBA without also hearing from NBA players that they’re not ready for the league literally what are you talking about
This is the select memory of a wnba hater in full force, you don't remember people being negative about Wemby? Like REALLY? How about Shaq saying him and Bol Bol are the same player?
Hell how about retired NBA players calling the current game "soft"? This isn't a "WNBA" issue
@@calebangell77 thats a misunderstanding of what Shaq said. Shaq wasnt hating on Wemby he just has irrational belief in Bol Bol.
@@16960734it's both. He overhyped one guy and undersold the other with the comparison.
It really does feel like it's all Clark thoo
Look I don’t want to be that guy, but people are barely having an interest with Caitlin Clarke.
Like we are talking about wnba a little more sure, but we went from only talking about the failure of the league and the financial aspects of it… NEVER the game.
You can state angel Reese has a large following, I can say with the utmost confidence if it was just angel Reese and no Caitlin Clarke. You would not be covering the wnba, nobody would be talking about it.
Reese’s new nickname is Draymond Queef
Disney began this war so ig guys throw punches back wherever they can, if disney would have not femenized marvel, star wars ect than i think the female discourse would be more fair
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