Menheniot / Dockyard Request Stops
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- Following on from the Newquay branch, whilst down in Cornwall and Devon, I paid a visit to Dockyard station, which definitely IS a request stop ... and Menheniot, which is? Or isn't it? It certainly once used to be! But i don't think it is anymore, let's go and find out ...
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“It’s June. It’s summer. Why is it raining.” - Geoff Marshall, Allotment Investigator, 2021.
Substitute the ‘June’ for ‘July’ and it’s exactly what I felt when I was in the UK.
It's June it's Summer why is it raining? Because this is Plymouth and SE Cornwall it's normal.
@@nixcails It shouldn’t be but that’s the way it is. I agree.
Difference between summer and winter in England? In summer the rain is warmer!
@@moretimeneeded56 hmm
Geoff secretly was a guest at the G7 conference, that’s why he’s in Cornwall
Geoff is secretly the force that runs the world confirmed. and he demands more stations and more trains!!
Serving the chicken legs and burgers?
WELL, AT LEAST THEY WILL HAVE SOMEONE WITH INTELLIGENCE THERE!
He represents the nation of trains.
@@lukesdad5218 As long as he doesn't serve the tea, there'll be no mugs left if they don't brew it right!!
Menheniot has got no station signs, Dockyard no benches, next you'll find a railway station with no track!
Oh, no wait, that's what The Whitewicks do!
Benches, stolen, or being misused at night ?
Railway station with no buildings: Newhaven Marine
Railway stations with no trains stopping there: Barlaston and Wedgwood
Any railway stations with no railway? I was going to say Croxley Green but it's officially closed so it doesn't count any more.
@@rosiefay7283 Last year we were getting towards railway trains with no passengers.
He was in the right part of the world for that. He could have gone to Dartmouth (now just a ticket kiosk next to the old station building)
We need an "All the Request Stops" theme song, Geoff!
Call on Jay Foreman.
@@RHTeebs Yes, with Jay Foreman aswell!
the song needs to be called "make your intent clear"
Are you demanding a song or just politely requesting one?
@@PeterNancarrow both
I used to live in one the houses you showed from Plymouth Dockyard Station. It was rare that you heard a train, except for some heavy freight. Thick wall and double glazing does a fine job
Hi Geoff, greetings from NZ. I'm an expat from Plymouth and emigrated with my family to NZ when I was 8 years old. Thanks for covering Dockyard. I used to come here with my dad back in the 80's to watch the HST's going to and from Cornwall. (we used to live about 5 mins down the road) Nothing much has changed, except for it used to be called 'Dockyard Halt'. Just further east of Dockyard there used to be a beautiful stone viaduct that used to carry the Southern Railway to London via Tavistock. The line was closed in the 60's (Beeching) and they demolished the viaduct late 86, early 87 which was a shame. If you head down Pasley St you can still see the remains of the cutting heading into the tunnel, but its mostly filled with rubbish now.
When I was at school I spent a couple of years commuting from Dockyard Halt (as it then was) to and from Plymouth. It wasn't a request stop then, mind. I have a season ticket issued in 1966 which was on Great Western Railway ticket stock and was valid in 'First Class or Rail Motor Car'. I am told that it was the last GWR ticket issued at Plymouth, as when it was issued somebody on high noticed and the stock was withdrawn. I had a friend in the Travel Centre at Plymouth who had alerted me to the existance of the ticket, so for the one term I upgraded to First.
Glad you were able to experience some Cornish summer weather though, we do like to look after our visitors!
When you come to Scotland, Duncraig Halt is a must! The view and the setting has captured my imagination. Amazing!
Beautiful wee station; I can see it from my window. Surely the only octagonal waiting shelter on the network? The "Halt" was dropped a long time ago though, just plain old "Duncraig" now.
When I was 11, we lived in Saltash and I went to school in Plymouth. Used to get the train daily from Saltash to Devonport station. So many memories in this video for me.
I grew up in Saltash it was so lovely of you to visit. Loved this!
They’re coming thick and fast now!
I don't remember subscribing to this channel, but I'm not unhappy that I did.
Living under the railway bridge as you depart westbound from Dockyard Station you really don't notice the trains after a while. Until there are engineering works or a strike when the silence is really strange. I know the eastbound sleeper passing over the bridge towards Plymouth is my cue to turn my bedside light off.
This takes me back, I was an apprentice who spent about a year helping upgrade this line, with Menheniot being the main base of operations :D
Love to see the HST's still serving as regional trains.
It's a bonus when you go to catch a service that used to be a Sprinter and you get a "Castle class" instead!
Alot of the HST trains do request stops once in Cornwall, due to lack of services
It's only down this way though. They were withdrawn everywhere else except for Devon and Cornwall in keeping with the tradition of us being 50-150 years behind the rest of the country when it comes to railway infrastructure.
eyy I was on 150207 and saw him on it the day he recorded this!
@Cornish_train_fan_125 have you read my name chris lmfao
You're brilliant Geoff. Just love your work and videos. It brings back my memories of train travels in UK (mainly Wales) during my stay. Wish I could do same. Cheers from 🇮🇳
Many thanks, very kind!
Hello Geoff. I love Brunel's Albert Bridge. In 2007, I had been on holiday in Newquay, and used the train to get there (rude not to, considering the line), and, as I was returning home, my brother, who had gone home a day earlier, phoned me from our local pub, where he was helping with a pub quiz. The conversation went like this:
BROTHER: What is the name of that Brunel bridge between Devon and Cornwall?
ME: What, the one I'm going over at this exact minute?
Perfect timing.
That scene change at 8:00/8:01 was just * chef's kiss *, Geoff!
Thanks for another wonderful video and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a good few more station visits this year!
Good to see a Geoff Marshall video starting in / covering your hometown!!
I missed you in the neighborhood! I have the joy of two stations limited service SBF and SBV. I do occasionally take the train home from Dockyard to SBF I love request stopping a HST!
I'll never forget the first time I crossed the Tamar on that bridge, dawn one Saturday in September 1983. It took my breath away then and still does.
I live in Saint-Petersburg, and even though we have a "request stop" thing on our suburban railway, drivers usually ignore that and stopping at that station regardless if the requested, because it's a freaking lottery to know if someone requested it or not, and if you miss a request punishment is pretty noticeable in the month paycheck... (At least they do that at summer, at winter they indeed might be fully request stops) We also have one train that don't have exact time in it's schedule for a certain stop, it just says "train departure time not scheduled" in the timetable, though it's not that scary cause departure time for previous stop is stated
Geoff: “You’re live on RUclips, don’t swear.”
Rob: “Hello, RUclips. I won’t swear.”
We need to hear Rob swearing then 😂
Love watching, even though I am from Melbourne Australia. We are under going a train service upgrade with a new under ground route and several stations that pass through the central business district into the suburbs.
Hi..I too am from Melbourne.. maybe Geoff could come out and check it out one day! It'd be really cool 😎
There were signs on the platforms at Menheniot last time I went through there..if they're giving the station a lick of paint, my guess is that they're in the process of replacing the FGW signs with GWR ones...
You would've thought that they'd wait until the new ones were ready to be installed
@@hannahk1306 Yes, that would have made sense, but it isn't the first time...Snowdown Station in Kent was completely devoid of platform signs for a while in the early 90's.
@@hannahk1306 Maybe they want to repaint the posts before they put the new ones up.
Always wanted to visit Menheniot Station and also that hill from the River Tamar to Saltash Station is steep! Wonderful Video
Loved the phone call with Rob, Geoff. Quite liked the Redcar British Steel video with him. Would love to see him on a video again.
Great timing Geoff - I just ticked off Coombe Junction Halt last weekend!
Loved the reveal - what a splendid sight!
Nice video as ever, Geoff- looks lovely around there.
I swear this bridge has cursed me! I first saw it on Instagram, then on Twitter, then I got the wrong train which went over there, and now this LOL great vid
Perhaps to an “all the request stops” at least in Cornwall? It’s so concentrated. Like the tube challenge, see how quickly you can get all of them
Rob is definitely 100 percent phone a friend material! 👍🏻
Dockyard is technically a request stop but in practical terms it isn't. We really made use of Dockyard Station during Pub Exploring because there's a train into Plymouth a couple of minutes past 11pm so when they ring for last orders at the Herbert, you know to go for the train.
I also have a friend who lives in that area so I used to get the train from Saltash to Dockyard, and the journey is quicker and cheaper than the bus.
You don't need to request it. The train always stops there. Maybe if it was late at night and the train was empty, they'd play the "request stop" card, but other than that it will usually stop. It's just easier that way.
Not all trains stop only on request, some have it as a mandatory stop and those are usually the ones serving the Dockyard workers who use the station, as indeed I did when I went to Goschen College.
The station is actually super convenient to use, you've just got to time it right.
I'm glad that you visited Saltash now that the station building renovation is nearly done. It was in a very sorry state before.
I went to uni in Plymouth, but we'd always get the water taxis and ferries across to Cornwall rather than the train. I did drive over the bridge once though (obviously the newer road bridge, not Brunel's)
..... neither steps nor a sheriff....😄 - Great video! (as always)
Transport for Cornwall Service 11 runs hourly from Bodmin Parkway to Plymouth if people want to visit Menheniot and take the bus.
It was a pleasure to meet you at Plymouth later in the day
Hello! 👋 fun to meet you all, yes!
@@geofftech2 Sorry to bombard you 🤣🤣
Another superb video Geoff !
I am shocked… shocked… that Rob knows the answer to “if this is a request stop” straight away, replies without hesitation… I believe that they didn’t speak previously… or maybe they did??
*tinfoils ready*
He just knows these things :-)
Should have moaned at Rob for lack of signage at Menheniot
Maybe changing from white on blue to white on green
@@highpath4776 They are painting the place. Logical time to replace the signage as well.
Short formed HSTs (255 Castle class) are not permitted to perform the request stop procedure. I'm guessing that because there are so many of this traction operating on the route to Penzance they decided to omit Menheniot from the list of request stops.
A life time ago, when in the actual dockyard, and commanding a red devil ( bicycle ) every effort had to be made to avoid the rail tracks inside the dockyard, once the red devils wheels were in them, only one very painful event would result, and a bollocking for any damage resulting, to the bike.
I hope you enjoyed your time in my hometown of Plymouth
Randomly New Clee was furnished with new signage a few weeks ago.
Geoff you should go undercover wearing high visibles and paint shelter benches in beautiful maquettes!
Couldn’t help noticing how close to the platform edge at Menheniot the Hitachi train came compared to the Castle set (former HST)!🙀
Proving with every video that it is COOL to be a transport enthusiast.
One of the most bizarre routes I’ve taken down the West county is Liskeard to Looe. Leaving Liskeard you go down and dead end track, driver swaps end and as the train goes back it takes a right turn round a loop that then heads South to Looe. All done in reverse to return to Liskeard. No direct route to Looe.
Bloody brilliant as always!
Fantastic opening shot! Love Saltash and the bridge. Great to see there is a surviving Brunel shelter at Menheniot too 👍
Love that 6 trains a day is an upgrade 😀
Love that area and looking forward to another jaunt to Plymouth 🤓
Cheers Geoff, great video as ever 👍🍻🍀
There were no signs at Seaton Carew for years. People kept pinching them.
I think it was to do with the introduction of the 2+4 sets on stopping services and it was decided that request stops werent a good idea due to the braking characteristics of the trains so 'Mainline' request stops were normalised, then a couple of 2+4 services started to call at Dockyard which remains a request stop for the moment, I understand this will be normalised at some stage as well.
Yay, a Geoff video!!!
I went here on holiday during half term, amazing place!
Another great video! The Heart of Wales line will take a while!
4:53 There was a station name on the lamppost immediately at the foot of the bridge - it appears to have been removed.
Yes, if I lived by the Tamar Valley Line at Dockyard I'd hear the trains going by every two hours. But I live by a different station on a different line and I can hear a Turbo outside right now.
Great one Geoff
Although Dockyard is said to be a request stop two -coach trains always seem to stop there. St. Germans is also a little used station. Believe it or not all signalling in Cornwall is still semaphore...
The Cornwall Main line was Single track until 1932-3. Cantonment (non token signalling) was made illegal after a collision of trains between Menheniot and St Germans since a train proceeded due to a misunderstanding between a train driver and station staff. I think this happened in 1873 but may be wrong
Was expecting Geoff to be on that record breaking attempt that left Euston Station this morning
He absolutely was... :)
He was. Have a look at Twitter.
The practice of 19th century railroads to bypass the center of villages to save money has now come back to haunt them. If you need a car to go to the station, you can use the car to go direct to your destination rather then using the train. Brunell of course always preferred the flattest route for his lines, so this may be the reason as well. Either way, it has led to people giving up trains for private cars.
Geoff, someone updated Wikipedia ... Menheniot is no longer a request stop ... was it you?
Dedication to the cause. Tick. If Menheniot had been a request stop - job done.
10:30 It would have been even noisier back in the day because the old LSWR line through the city was only about 150m down the road
Perranwell Station on the Maritime Line between Truro and Falmouth is a request stop, my home stop is Penryn but the whole line is worth seeing
They’ve unrequested that now - a couple of year later ago, everything stops!
Waving to Rob from Levin NZ....... In New Plymouth,, there are both Tamar St/Rd and Saltash St..took me a while to find out the significance of the names...
maybe the workers who were repairing the shelter ect at menheniot were replacing the signage from FGW to GWR because dockyard still had FGW signs?
Did my first request stop at Penychain in Wales whilst on holiday :D
The IET stops at Devonport not Dockyard. Pause at 9:16 and to the left of your finger is the service to PAD
The reason there are no signs may be because those contractors may have taken them down before they install the new GWR sings into the GWR font, rather than the First Great Western signs.
"and now it only gets 5 or 6 trains in each direction a day anyway" Still better than the 4 each way we get in Durham, North Carolina, a city of 283,000 people as of the 2020 census.
For the drone shots at Menheniot, are those abandoned platforms? Menheniot village is a 30 minute walk from the station, not 10 minutes. For the view from dockyard Station into the Plymouth suburbs, the houses look printed on
Wikipedia article has been updated, by me, go ahead and check Menheniot it now says that it is no longer a request stop
In homage to parkrun, Geoff is now doing (not)requeststops. #nichereference.
Also, it's a shame you didnt go further up the TVL. Its beautiful, especially the Calstock viaduct (Yes I know you did on ATS...)
I wonder if there are trains with push buttons like on a bus in the UK.They exist in trains serving small branchlines in Germany. The dot matrix display inside even shows "stop" like on a bus when someone has pressed the button..
I'm imagining someone feverishly trying to draw the attention of the driver of an 800 or Crosscountry Super Voyager
I saw the word Menheniot and thought "is this a place in Middle Earth?"
Think there is one request stop on the St Ives Branch Line. Lelant is a request and Lelant Saltings gets 2 train per day.
Burneside (and maybe even Staveley) on the Windermere Branch Line is/used to be? a request stop.
I had a Games teacher called Mr Menheniot; I had no idea it was a place.
Hi Geoff, Looked at RTT for Menheniot and it turns out there is still a train every morning to London Paddington it stops at 07:34 in the morning.
Geoff, I thought you were pretty clued up on railways but I do think you need to brush up on your knowledge of stations outside London ! The Royal Albert Bridge at Saltash has always been single track since I K Brunel built it. Apart from this, nice video !
Fair play to whoever has already updated the Wiki since the video went live. Speedy work indeed.
Nicely done
Rain? Cornish sunshine. Wait till you get to North Devon...It rains here 8 days out of 7
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I can't wait for the video your probably going to do on avanti record today
Yep I have got off there by accident after being asleep thinking it was liskard
Do not try to board or leave the train when the doors are closing the next station is **** this is a great western railway service to **** face coverings must be worn while traveling with us and please maintain and respect social distancing wherever possible
Are you looking into the Tavistock line? It may be reopening. Also the plympton station that closed
Your website should sell T-shrts that say "Request Stop. Make your intentions clear."
So the main feature of a "request stop" video is a station that isn't a request stop, and the station that *actually is* a request stop is just an afterthought tacked on at the end 🤨
I waved to Rob. Hello Rob.
omg u were in my hometown of plymouth!
Hi Geoff, I love your videos. Will you be adding an up to date request stop map?
Do mention the missing track.. that can be seen in the landscape at Menheniot.. (see the shut where you talk in the phone..)